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1. 05:54 AM - Re: Step (TOM STINEMETZE)
2. 06:21 AM - Aerial plans - was Are you guys scarfing 1/16th inch plywood? (Bill Church)
3. 07:36 AM - Re: Step ()
4. 01:43 PM - Re: OHHH CRAPP!!!! LESSON IN BUILDING!! (Mike Townsley)
5. 01:56 PM - Re: OHHH CRAPP!!!! LESSON IN BUILDING!! (HelsperSew@aol.com)
6. 03:31 PM - Re: Step (Peter W Johnson)
7. 06:07 PM - Re: Step (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
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Thanks Peter. That photo explains a lot.
Tom Stinemetze
do not archive
>>You can see the rudder cable (green test wire) goes underneath the
step.
>>Cheers >>Peter.
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Subject: | Aerial plans - was Are you guys scarfing 1/16th inch |
plywood?
Jim,
It sounds as though the construction of the Aerial wing rib is different
from the Pietenpol rib. Surely the plans must indicate the extent of the
leading edge wrap. There aren't many of us out here that have even seen Chad
Wille's plans, so it would be a challenge to offer advice on this matter.
Many people comment that the original Pietenpol plans seem to be missing a
lot of information, but when you look very closely, you find that very
little is actually missing (Granted, a few more details would be nice). Take
a closer look at the plans, and see if the missing info suddenly appears. If
you could scan (or photograph) the part of the drawings in question, and
post them here on the list, maybe someone could advise the best route. Or
maybe you need to have your EAA technical counsellor look over your plans
and see if the info really isn't there. On second thought, maybe that's your
best plan.
Bill C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimd
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 6:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Are you guys scarfing 1/16th inch plywood?
I wouldn't make a big deal of it except I am trying to walk thru how to do
the leading edge.
This is for a lower wing.. so its different. You can see the plane at
www.westcoastpiet.com under photos, under Jim D.
The lower wing ribs are squared off. The Pietenpol Aerial plans (Chad
Wille's design) shows a shaped piece of wood that is bolted to each of the
ribs to form a backing for the wing wrap, and the plans say to use wood for
it instead of aluminum.. but that is it, nothing explicit about how far to
wrap it. I presumed that with the weight of the wrap being so low, it would
be best to make a "D" section out of it, which would make getting to the
back side of it once it was glued in place about impossible.
With the shaped leading edge support piece in place, even if I didn't wrap
it all the way back to the spar it would still be tight to try to seal it, I
would think.
This is my first plane.. bound to ask some dumb questions.
Seemed like having the spar top and bottom to glue to would make it easier
to install the wrap, and would make it easy to finish, just run a flush
router bit along the spar.
Jim
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There should be a pulley there in place of that bracket or wire or what
ever you want to call that thing that is diverting the cable, with the
cable going under the pulley to divert it down and out of the way. With
a pulley there will be no friction to eventually break the cable. Just
my take on it.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
Johnson
Sent: May 19, 2008 6:40 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Step
Tom,
Take a look at http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0464_JPG.jpg.
You can see the rudder cable (green test wire) goes underneath the step.
Cheers
Peter.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Monday, 19 May 2008 11:57 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Step
Peter:
I thought about doing something like that for passenger steps but ...
Doesn't that get in the way of your rudder cables?
Tom Stinemetze
>Check out the photo for details of my pilot/passenger steps
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Subject: | Re: OHHH CRAPP!!!! LESSON IN BUILDING!! |
Shad,
Sorry to hear about the miss hap! I can imagine your feelings. Glad you
did not run over with the AC! That would be bad! Take some time and
fix it right. You will have a fine machine when you get done,
Pastor Mike in Iowa
shad bell wrote:
> Hello Guys, hope your day went better than mine! I was out today
> working on my wings for my Jungster 1, and after 5 hrs of prep and
> gluing I heard the worst sound a homebuilder can hear..... CRUNCH,
> CRACK, SILENCE!, Then 15 min. of severe, prolonged cussing! I glued
> my false spars for the ailerons in to the ribs and had it clamped ,
> and 10 min later bumped into the bench, the whole thing fell off the
> work bench crashed to the floor, and broke off 2 of the ribs, top and
> bottom caps, trailing edge and all. I can fix it but, for about 10
> min I thought about throwing the damn wing pannel in the yard and
> running it over with the Allis Chalmers, and starting over. I got one
> rib is fixed, now I have to scarf in some trailing edge stock, and
> plywood strip and try to keep it looking steright. One bad thing
> about wood is it can't be driled off and replaced like aluminum
> airplanes. However I am lucky it broke where it did (If you can call
> it lucky) because I can fix it relitivily eaisly, and cheaply. The
> hard part is going to be scarffing in the trailing edge pieces and
> make it look profesional. LESSON: MAKE SURE THAT WHILE BUILDING YOU
> KEEP THE STRUCTURE WELL AWAY FROM THE EDGES OF THE WORK BENCH, AND IT
> CAN NOT TOPPLE OVER, OR OFF THE BENCH, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS TOP HEAVY
> BECAUSE OF "C"CLAMPS, OR OTHER HEVY TOOLS. I will try not to add too
> much more "charactor" to my airplane untill I am ready for fabric and
> paint.
>
> LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE!!!!!
> Shad
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Subject: | Re: OHHH CRAPP!!!! LESSON IN BUILDING!! |
Shad,
After I attached my wing for the first time, I decided that my landing gear
bungee cords needed tightening. This is almost impossible for one man to do
alone, but I tried. I jacked up the aircraft and had it sitting on some blocks
of wood. I struggled with the bungee and tipped it off the blocks. One of
the wingtips dropped to within inches of the hangar floor before the gear
caught on one of the lower (toppled) blocks.
My heart went into overdrive as I desperately got a jack under it again.
This is a case of being stupidly in a hurry. Won't make that mistake again!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Harvey,
There are indeed two pulleys in that location, one for the rudder cable; the
other for the tail wheel cable. Check out HYPERLINK
"http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0213_JPG.jpg"http://www
.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0213_JPG.jpg for a better view.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi, Australia
HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
harvey.rule@bell.ca
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2008 12:30 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Step
There should be a pulley there in place of that bracket or wire or what ever
you want to call that thing that is diverting the cable, with the cable
going under the pulley to divert it down and out of the way. With a pulley
there will be no friction to eventually break the cable. Just my take on it.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
Johnson
Sent: May 19, 2008 6:40 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Step
Tom,
Take a look at HYPERLINK
"http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0464_JPG.jpg"http://www.cpc-world.com/i
mages/IMG_0464_JPG.jpg.
You can see the rudder cable (green test wire) goes underneath the step.
Cheers
Peter.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Monday, 19 May 2008 11:57 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Step
Peter:
I thought about doing something like that for passenger steps but ...
Doesn't that get in the way of your rudder cables?
Tom Stinemetze
>Check out the photo for details of my pilot/passenger steps
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Why does it look like an altar?
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step
> Hi Guys,
>
> Here is how I did my pilot step. I wanted to have it totally
> recessed, but I
> had too much going on inside, so I had it stick out some too.
> Pictures
> attached.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
>
>
> **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists
> on family
> favorites at AOL Food.
> (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)
>
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