---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/04/08: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:02 AM - Re: Re: Windshild (walt evans) 2. 04:07 AM - Re: Re: Windshild (Gene & Tammy) 3. 05:40 AM - Windshield (was Windshild) (Bill Church) 4. 06:19 AM - Re: Windshield (was Windshild) (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 5. 06:39 AM - Engines (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 6. 10:24 AM - Re: Windshield (was Windshild) (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 7. 11:40 AM - Re: Windshield (was Windshild) (Rick Holland) 8. 11:52 AM - rotary engine in a Piet anyone? (Michael Silvius) 9. 11:57 AM - Re: Windshield (was Windshild) (Phillips, Jack) 10. 12:21 PM - Re: Windshield (was Windshild) (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 11. 01:54 PM - Re: 164 corvair engine (Barry Davis) 12. 03:09 PM - Re: Windshield (was Windshild) (walt evans) 13. 03:25 PM - Re: Engines (jimd) 14. 03:41 PM - 110hp corvair motors (TGSTONE236@aol.com) 15. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: Engines (=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=) 16. 07:59 PM - Re: Radio Help (Dick Navratil) 17. 08:00 PM - Re: Radio Help (Dick Navratil) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:01 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Windshild When I ordered my Pietenpol plans, I got a windshield print included, that what I used. Works well. Walt Evans NX140DL "Let's Legalize Freedom" ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimd" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Windshild > > I am at the same stage.. posted a while back and got a lot of pictures but > no templates or good mounting ideas. Made a windshield, but not too crazy > about it. > > Could I get the same info? Be nice if it was in some format it could stay > on the forum and be usable for, but I would be happy with it any way could > get it. > > Jim > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186108#186108 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:16 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Windshild Jim. If you would like one send me your address and I'll send you the pattern off of mine, if I have time before I leave sunday. It may or may not be what your looking for but it could be a good start. I'm happy with it but that doesn't mean you will be. As far as mounting, it is mounted using 4 angled braces attached to the combing. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimd" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Windshild > > I am at the same stage.. posted a while back and got a lot of pictures but > no templates or good mounting ideas. Made a windshield, but not too crazy > about it. > > Could I get the same info? Be nice if it was in some format it could stay > on the forum and be usable for, but I would be happy with it any way could > get it. > > Jim > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186108#186108 > > > -- > Checked by AVG. > 7:06 AM > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:24 AM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: Pietenpol-List:Windshield (was Windshild) First off, I just had to correct the spelling in the subject line. Typos like that drive me nuts. Secondly, (unlike Walt) my plans from Don Pietenpol did not include any information regarding windshields. If it is something that they used to include with the plans, they must have discontinued doing it (or at least they didn't do it when I ordered my plans four years ago). Or maybe they just like Walt more than me. Thirdly, since I've had my plans for almost four years now, shouldn't I have more to show than a bunch of ribs and a horizontal stab and elevators? I seem to remember thinking that this was going to be a five-to-ten year project, but at this rate who knows how long it will take. Oh well, I'm having a lot of fun with it whenever I do get a chance to work on it. Fourthly, I'm actually looking forward to figuring out a windshield design, and building it, when I get to that stage. For now, I'm just studying various designs and figuring out what I like and don't like. Fifthly, I'm really looking forward to next Saturday in Brussels. Sixthly, . I think that's enough for now. Bill C -----Original Message----- When I ordered my Pietenpol plans, I got a windshield print included, that what I used. Works well. Walt Evans NX140DL ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:07 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:Windshield (was Windshild) Gentlemen and esteemed members of the Pietenpol community I am not ready for my wind screens yet, however with this a golden opportunity to gain insight into what be a daunting task of design I too wou ld like a copy of any plans, patterns or other design device being circulated that would assist, when the time comes. My plans did not include anything remotely resembling a design for a wind screen. Anyone willing to share their copy I would love to have a one if possible and certainly willing to pay for postage and copy costs associated with that. Thanks in advance John Recine NX895BP reserved Building, Scrounging, Buying and Improvising when time permits get my Piet flying! In a message dated 6/4/2008 8:41:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eng@canadianrogers.com writes: First off, I just had to correct the spelling in the subject line. Typos like that drive me nuts. Secondly, (unlike Walt) my plans from Don Pietenpol did not include any information regarding windshields. If it is something that they used to inc lude with the plans, they must have discontinued doing it (or at least they didn 't do it when I ordered my plans four years ago). Or maybe they just like Walt more than me. Thirdly, since I've had my plans for almost four years now, shouldn't I hav e more to show than a bunch of ribs and a horizontal stab and elevators? I seem to remember thinking that this was going to be a five-to-ten year proj ect, but at this rate who knows how long it will take. Oh well, I'm having a lot of fun with it whenever I do get a chance to work on it. Fourthly, I'm actually looking forward to figuring out a windshield design, and building it, when I get to that stage. For now, I'm just studying vario us designs and figuring out what I like and don't like. Fifthly, I'm really looking forward to next Saturday in Brussels. Sixthly, I think that's enough for now. Bill C -----Original Message----- --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" When I ordered my Pietenpol plans, I got a windshield print included, that what I used. Works well. Walt Evans NX140DL (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:08 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engines Is there anyone in esteemed Piet world flying an 0235 engine or anything close to that size and hp rating? I have many questions that can only be answered though experience. Thanks John **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:30 AM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:Windshield (was Windshild) Walt,   Is it possible to scan a copy of your windshield plans and post it on the l ist for others to download? Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP   --- On Wed, 6/4/08, AMsafetyC@aol.com <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote: From: AMsafetyC@aol.com <AMsafetyC@aol.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:Windshield (was Windshild) Gentlemen and esteemed members of the Pietenpol community   I am not ready for my wind screens yet, however with this a golden opportun ity to gain insight into what be a daunting task of design I too would like a copy of any plans, patterns or other design device being circulated that would assist, when the time comes.   My plans did not include anything remotely resembling a design for a wind s creen. Anyone willing to share their copy I would love to have a one if pos sible and certainly willing to pay for postage and copy costs associated wi th that.   Thanks in advance   John Recine NX895BP reserved Building, Scrounging, Buying and Improvising when time permits get my Piet flying!   In a message dated 6/4/2008 8:41:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eng@canadia nrogers.com writes: First off, I just had to correct the spelling in the subject line. Typos li ke that drive me nuts. Secondly, (unlike Walt) my plans from Don Pietenpol did not include any inf ormation regarding windshields. If it is something that they used to includ e with the plans, they must have discontinued doing it (or at least they di dn't do it when I ordered my plans four years ago). Or maybe they just like Walt more than me. Thirdly, since I've had my plans for almost four years now, shouldn't I hav e more to show than a bunch of ribs and a horizontal stab and elevators? I seem to remember thinking that this was going to be a five-to-ten year proj ect, but at this rate who knows how long it will take. Oh well, I'm having a lot of fun with it whenever I do get a chance to work on it. Fourthly, I'm actually looking forward to figuring out a windshield design, and building it, when I get to that stage. For now, I'm just studying vari ous designs and figuring out what I like and don't like. Fifthly, I'm really looking forward to next Saturday in Brussels. Sixthly,  =85 I think that's enough for now. Bill C   -----Original Message----- --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.n et> When I ordered my Pietenpol plans, I got a windshield print included, that what I used. Works well. Walt Evans NX140DL href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.ma tron.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:56 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:Windshield (was Windshild) Bill You think designing your own windscreen is a big deal, just wait till you get to design and build your own cowling. Especially if you plan on doing a glass nosebowl of some kind, then you get to learn glass layup, sheet metal cutting/bending, riveting, and 3-D spatial geometry all at the same time. I am also interested in windscreen designs. I think Mike Cuy's is the simples t and what I will try to copy. Rick On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:37 AM, Bill Church wrote: > > > First off, I just had to correct the spelling in the subject line. Typos > like that drive me nuts. > > Secondly, (unlike Walt) my plans from Don Pietenpol did not include any > information regarding windshields. If it is something that they used to > include with the plans, they must have discontinued doing it (or at least > they didn't do it when I ordered my plans four years ago). Or maybe they > just like Walt more than me. > > Thirdly, since I've had my plans for almost four years now, shouldn't I > have more to show than a bunch of ribs and a horizontal stab and elevator s? > I seem to remember thinking that this was going to be a five-to-ten year > project, but at this rate who knows how long it will take. Oh well, I'm > having a lot of fun with it whenever I do get a chance to work on it. > > Fourthly, I'm actually looking forward to figuring out a windshield desig n, > and building it, when I get to that stage. For now, I'm just studying > various designs and figuring out what I like and don't like. > > Fifthly, I'm really looking forward to next Saturday in Brussels. > > Sixthly, =85 I think that's enough for now. > > Bill C > > -----Original Message----- > > When I ordered my Pietenpol plans, I got a windshield print included, tha t > what I used. > Works well. > Walt Evans > NX140DL > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:52:58 AM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Pietenpol-List: rotary engine in a Piet anyone? http://www.contactmagazine.com/backissu.html ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:57:52 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List:Windshield (was Windshild) From: "Phillips, Jack" In my experience, the cowling was a piece of cake compared to making the frames for the three-piece style windshield. But then, my cowling is like Mike Cuy's - all sheet aluminum. I try to avoid fiberglass wherever possible. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:Windshield (was Windshild) Bill You think designing your own windscreen is a big deal, just wait till you get to design and build your own cowling. Especially if you plan on doing a glass nosebowl of some kind, then you get to learn glass layup, sheet metal cutting/bending, riveting, and 3-D spatial geometry all at the same time. I am also interested in windscreen designs. I think Mike Cuy's is the simplest and what I will try to copy. Rick On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:37 AM, Bill Church wrote: First off, I just had to correct the spelling in the subject line. Typos like that drive me nuts. Secondly, (unlike Walt) my plans from Don Pietenpol did not include any information regarding windshields. If it is something that they used to include with the plans, they must have discontinued doing it (or at least they didn't do it when I ordered my plans four years ago). Or maybe they just like Walt more than me. Thirdly, since I've had my plans for almost four years now, shouldn't I have more to show than a bunch of ribs and a horizontal stab and elevators? I seem to remember thinking that this was going to be a five-to-ten year project, but at this rate who knows how long it will take. Oh well, I'm having a lot of fun with it whenever I do get a chance to work on it. Fourthly, I'm actually looking forward to figuring out a windshield design, and building it, when I get to that stage. For now, I'm just studying various designs and figuring out what I like and don't like. Fifthly, I'm really looking forward to next Saturday in Brussels. Sixthly, ... I think that's enough for now. Bill C -----Original Message----- When I ordered my Pietenpol plans, I got a windshield print included, that what I used. Works well. Walt Evans NX140DL " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:26 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:Windshield (was Windshild) Jack Any hints on bending the sheet Aluminum to fit? That's what I plan on using also. John In a message dated 6/4/2008 2:59:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com writes: In my experience, the cowling was a piece of cake compared to making the frames for the three-piece style windshield. But then, my cowling is like Mike Cuy=99s =93 all sheet aluminum. I try to avoid fiberglass wher ever possible. Jack Phillips NX899JP ____________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:Windshield (was Windshild) Bill You think designing your own windscreen is a big deal, just wait till you get to design and build your own cowling. Especially if you plan on doing a glass nosebowl of some kind, then you get to learn glass layup, sheet metal cutting/bending, riveting, and 3-D spatial geometry all at the same time. I am also interested in windscreen designs. I think Mike Cuy's is the simplest a nd what I will try to copy. Rick On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:37 AM, Bill Church <_eng@canadianrogers.com_ (mailto:eng@canadianrogers.com) > wrote: First off, I just had to correct the spelling in the subject line. Typos like that drive me nuts. Secondly, (unlike Walt) my plans from Don Pietenpol did not include any information regarding windshields. If it is something that they used to inc lude with the plans, they must have discontinued doing it (or at least they didn 't do it when I ordered my plans four years ago). Or maybe they just like Walt more than me. Thirdly, since I've had my plans for almost four years now, shouldn't I hav e more to show than a bunch of ribs and a horizontal stab and elevators? I seem to remember thinking that this was going to be a five-to-ten year proj ect, but at this rate who knows how long it will take. Oh well, I'm having a lot of fun with it whenever I do get a chance to work on it. Fourthly, I'm actually looking forward to figuring out a windshield design, and building it, when I get to that stage. For now, I'm just studying vario us designs and figuring out what I like and don't like. Fifthly, I'm really looking forward to next Saturday in Brussels. Sixthly, I think that's enough for now. Bill C -----Original Message----- (mailto:waltdak@verizon.net) > When I ordered my Pietenpol plans, I got a windshield print included, that what I used. Works well. Walt Evans NX140DL " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado http://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________________________________________ , proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:41 PM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 164 corvair engine What is the price for these motors? Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: TGSTONE236@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:12 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 164 corvair engine I just got back to Wilmington NC with a 1964 Corvair 110 hp motor that I bought in Lexington NC today. If you are serious about wanting a motor, Barry Owens has plenty of the ones we need for aircraft use or otherwise. here is the information: Barry Owens Cell # 336-250-966 358 Dixon St Lexington NC 27292 hope this may help someone Ted Stone /at work on Pietenpol ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:53 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:Windshield (was Windshild) Kenneth, Sure , I can do that. Won't be CAD or anything, but I can scan it on a crosshatch layout, that can be reproduced. I'll get to it now. Walt Evans NX140DL "Let's Legalize Freedom" ----- Original Message ----- From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 1:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:Windshield (was Windshild) Walt, Is it possible to scan a copy of your windshield plans and post it on the list for others to download? Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP --- On Wed, 6/4/08, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:Windshield (was Windshild) To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 8:16 AM Gentlemen and esteemed members of the Pietenpol community I am not ready for my wind screens yet, however with this a golden opportunity to gain insight into what be a daunting task of design I too would like a copy of any plans, patterns or other design device being circulated that would assist, when the time comes. My plans did not include anything remotely resembling a design for a wind screen. Anyone willing to share their copy I would love to have a one if possible and certainly willing to pay for postage and copy costs associated with that. Thanks in advance John Recine NX895BP reserved Building, Scrounging, Buying and Improvising when time permits get my Piet flying! In a message dated 6/4/2008 8:41:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eng@canadianrogers.com writes: First off, I just had to correct the spelling in the subject line. Typos like that drive me nuts. Secondly, (unlike Walt) my plans from Don Pietenpol did not include any information regarding windshields. If it is something that they used to include with the plans, they must have discontinued doing it (or at least they didn't do it when I ordered my plans four years ago). Or maybe they just like Walt more than me. Thirdly, since I've had my plans for almost four years now, shouldn't I have more to show than a bunch of ribs and a horizontal stab and elevators? I seem to remember thinking that this was going to be a five-to-ten year project, but at this rate who knows how long it will take. Oh well, I'm having a lot of fun with it whenever I do get a chance to work on it. Fourthly, I'm actually looking forward to figuring out a windshield design, and building it, when I get to that stage. For now, I'm just studying various designs and figuring out what I like and don't like. Fifthly, I'm really looking forward to next Saturday in Brussels. Sixthly, =85 I think that's enough for now. Bill C -----Original Message----- When I ordered my Pietenpol plans, I got a windshield print included, that what I used. Works well. Walt Evans NX140DL href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ron.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engines From: "jimd" Hi, Dick N. has a radial running in his plane, think its about same hp. Chad Wille's aerial has a 6 cyl continental in it. Those are about same size/hp and actually flying. My biplane project has a 125hp Enma Tigre, but its not flying yet and is a metal tube frame GN-1, so not quite the same. What questions are you trying to answer.. seems like the guys in this group are pretty knowlegable. Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186287#186287 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:39 PM PST US From: TGSTONE236@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: 110hp corvair motors Like most anything you want to buy is what you are willing to pay, do a little haggling as all things are negotiable. I could not get one as cheap as WW says he can get one . But I think I got one in good shape,free turning at a price I was willing to pay, that I could go pick up with in 200 miles from home. **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engines From: "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=" Interested in bulkhead and firewall improvments made if any to support the additional torque and hp generated by non traditional engines being the model A by design Also the ultimate prop for climb config on a heavier wide body piet John Yes I know props are fr Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "jimd" To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engines Hi, Dick N. has a radial running in his plane, think its about same hp. Chad Wille's aerial has a 6 cyl continental in it. Those are about same size/hp and actually flying. My biplane project has a 125hp Enma Tigre, but its not flying yet and is a metal tube frame GN-1, so not quite the same. What questions are you trying to answer.. seems like the guys in this group are pretty knowlegable. Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186287#186287 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:51 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Help Jim I have 2 Piets so there are 2 answers. On my first, the ground plate is behind the rear seat. It is formed and serves as the inspection cover on the bottom of the fuse from the rounded section of plywood floor to the next cross member aft. On the new Piet, the plate is on the floor and is what you step on in front of the rear seat. It also serves as floor stiffiner as some use a steel strap to re enforce the aft landing gear beam. I have a plywood cover inside the cockpit that forms a map holder. It's an idea I borrowed from Mike Cuy. In both cases, the antenna sitts in there right next to the radio. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Lagowski Morrow To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:33 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Help Dick, many thanks for sharing your experience! I've decided to try the same approach and postpone getting new mags, wiring harness and plugs. Where did you put the antenna and ground plane?--Jim Lagowski, NX221PT ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Navratil To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:58 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Help Many others will have great suggestions, but I just went thru this problem and found 2 things that made a world of difference. First, I took of the hand held antenna aninstalles a full sized VHF antenna. Second, I grounded the antenna to a horizontal ground plate, approx 24"x18" I went from having so much static that I couldnt communicate more that 1/2 mi., to hearing traffic 25+ mi out. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lagowski Morrow To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Radio Help I just learned that I may have a problem communicating from my Piet that has a 65 Continental with Bendix-Scintilla mags, unshielded wiring and old time ceramic plugs. My intention was to use my handheld radio with a plugged in headset. I have been advised that the static will be so bad that I will basically be unable to communicate. What to do since I will not fly without being able to transmit and receive clearly. I would like to avoid the expense of new mags, shielded wiring and new shielded plugs. I'm about a month away from engine fireup. Am I stuck with getting new stuff or is there an alternative(s) out there?--Jim Lagowski, NX221PT href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 5/29/2008 7:27 AM ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:11 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Help Steve You are right and thats how I installed it. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ruse" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Help Dick, Could you please clarify your comment on the ground? The antenna shouldn't actually be grounded to a plate, right? What you want to do is attach the coax shielding (the outer braid) to a "ground plane" or plate at the base of the antenna. The antenna itself and the coax center signal wire should be insulated from everything else, particularly the ground plane. That is how I installed my antenna, it is on the bottom of the nose, ~30" behind the prop. It is an 1/8" brass brazing rod, routed through two nylon bushings or "sleeves" that I bought at Home Depot. It all cost me about $4, and I can transmit up to 125 nautical miles air to air. I bought an antenna book from RST Engineering for about $10 I believe. It had good and relatively brief and simple explanations on how to build several very effective antennas for aircraft. The book was very well worth it. I don't see it on their website, but I'm sure you could call or e-mail them about it. Three keys that stick in my mind are 1) have a good ground plane 2) the antenna must be the proper length and 3) keep the tip of the antenna away from other metal parts. http://www.rst-engr.com/ Steve Ruse Quoting Lagowski Morrow : > Dick, many thanks for sharing your experience! I've decided to try the > same approach and postpone getting new mags, wiring harness and plugs. > > Where did you put the antenna and ground plane?--Jim Lagowski, NX221PT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dick Navratil > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:58 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Help > > > Many others will have great suggestions, but I just went thru this > problem and found 2 things that made a world of difference. First, I > took of the hand held antenna aninstalles a full sized VHF antenna. > Second, I grounded the antenna to a horizontal ground plate, approx > 24"x18" > I went from having so much static that I couldnt communicate more that > 1/2 mi., to hearing traffic 25+ mi out. > Dick N. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lagowski Morrow > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 9:44 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Radio Help > > > I just learned that I may have a problem communicating from my Piet > that has a 65 Continental with Bendix-Scintilla mags, unshielded wiring > and old time ceramic plugs. My intention was to use my handheld radio > with a plugged in headset. I have been advised that the static will be so > bad that I will basically be unable to communicate. What to do since I > will not fly without being able to transmit and receive clearly. I would > like to avoid the expense of new mags, shielded wiring and new shielded > plugs. I'm about a month away from engine fireup. > > Am I stuck with getting new stuff or is there an alternative(s) out > there?--Jim Lagowski, NX221PT > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG. > 5/29/2008 7:27 AM > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.