---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/05/08: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:17 AM - Piet on barnstormers.com (Gene & Tammy) 2. 06:11 AM - Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone? (MikeD) 3. 06:31 AM - Re: Fw: 164 corvair engine (shad bell) 4. 08:23 AM - CAD Metal Parts (Ryan Michals) 5. 10:20 AM - Re: CAD Metal Parts (Bill Church) 6. 10:53 AM - Re: CAD Metal Parts (Catdesigns) 7. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone? (CozyGirrrl@aol.com) 8. 12:30 PM - Re: Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone? (Michael Silvius) 9. 12:36 PM - Re: Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone? (Michael Silvius) 10. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone? (Gary Boothe) 11. 12:50 PM - Re: Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone? (Michael Silvius) 12. 12:53 PM - Re: Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone? (Michael Silvius) 13. 01:12 PM - Re: Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone? (CozyGirrrl@aol.com) 14. 05:31 PM - (Douwe Blumberg) 15. 06:13 PM - Re: (Brian Kraut) 16. 06:41 PM - Re: (Dick Navratil) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:33 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet on barnstormers.com For what it's worth. Don't know anything about it except what the add says, but there is a 80% complete Piet with an A-65 for $5,500 on barnstormers.com . Indicates it's been built by an A & P. If the A-65 is fresh, it's worth that price alone. Gene N502R ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone? From: "MikeD" silvius(at)gwi.net wrote: > http://www.contactmagazine.com/backissu.html Neat. But man, the purists would be all over your case for that one! -------- Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186350#186350 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:00 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Fwd: Pietenpol-List: 164 corvair engine Ted, I would highly recomend using the 1966 corvair engine if it is in good shape. Most parts are intercahangable from 1965- 1969, the 1964 is kind of a "bastard" engine. We started with a 1964, and think the later model is much better. Heads are a little "beefier" on the 66. Jugs and heads on 64's must both be 64's, can't mix 64 jugs or heads with 65-69 jugs or heads. Also VERY IMPORTANT!!!, Check the heads and make sure all spark plug holes are clean with no burrs or helicoils!!!! This cost us The 1st engine,(broken crank, and burt piston all 1964 year parts) and a trailer ride home. If any spark plug holes are worn I would recomend sending them to William Wynne's Head guy in wisconsin,I forget his name but I can probably find it for you. I'm no expert on Corvairs, but would hate to see someone else go through the grief, scares, and lessons $$$ we learded the hard way. Even Wynne was supprised at some of the weird symptoms we had with our engine, but when we found out the problems, we let him know so he could forward it on to other builders. Shad NX92GB ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:10 AM PST US From: Ryan Michals Subject: Pietenpol-List: CAD Metal Parts Would anyone be willing to share their CAD drawings of the Piet metal pieces, for personal use? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:36 AM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: CAD Metal Parts Ryan, The difficult part about this is that most builders find that they need (or want) to adjust the metal parts slightly to fit the actual plane that they are building with their hands. So, you may find that metal parts made exactly to the plans don't quite fit properly (or maybe they do). And it is very unlikely that parts taken off one Pietenpol would fit perfectly onto another. Also, many builders have come to realize (thanks largely to Mike Cuy's video) that some of the fittings as drawn are a bit "tight" when it comes to installing fasteners, and can be made much more "user friendly" by extending them slightly. I have not yet made any of my metal parts (other than my tail hinges - and I didn't do those to the plans), so I can't give you what I don't have, but if you have specific parts in mind that you would like CAD files for, let me know, and I could crank out some drawings (based on the original plans) for you. The bulk of the parts are pretty straightforward, so copying them into CAD is easy. Let me know what you're after. Bill C. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Michals Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: CAD Metal Parts Would anyone be willing to share their CAD drawings of the Piet metal pieces, for personal use? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: CAD Metal Parts From: "Catdesigns" Initially I drew all the metal parts in CAD but I ended up not using the drawings because of fit issues like Bill C. was referring to. I also do not like to send them out because I do not want them to get out in the public domain and have people wast a lot of time and money on fittings that do not fit properly. The best idea is to make the metal bits after you build the parts they attach to. I find it real easy to make simple paper patterns off of the wooden parts. A lot of my fuselage fittings are slightly modified for better edge margins and size. Nothing major just a slight tweak. That being said I'd bet there are a bunch of planes flying with plans fittings. Chris, making elevator control horns in Sacramento -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186383#186383 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:20 AM PST US From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone? Last year at Tracy Crook's rotary engine fly-in down in Bell Florida there was a gentleman with a Mazda derived single rotor engine. He had made a custom casting for one of the end plates. This engine ran very well and produced and estimated 100 HP. I do not recall his name. Regards, Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 6/5/2008 8:13:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mjdt@auracom.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "MikeD" silvius(at)gwi.net wrote: > http://www.contactmagazine.com/backissu.html Neat. But man, the purists would be all over your case for that one! -------- Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186350#186350 **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:03 PM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone? Chrissi: That would have been Richard Shon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bid9KsuxECA Michael Silvius Scarborough, Maine Falconar F-12 w/ NA 1988 13b in progress ----- Original Message ----- From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Last year at Tracy Crook's rotary engine fly-in down in Bell Florida there was a gentleman with a Mazda derived single rotor engine. He had made a custom casting for one of the end plates. This engine ran very well and produced and estimated 100 HP. I do not recall his name. Regards, Chrissi ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:27 PM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone? Chrissi: I believe these are photos of Richard's single rotor engine and parts. Looks like someone with reasonable machine shop skills and equipment should be able to make such an end iron. The last I heard was Richard had sent his rotor and counterweight off to some big rotary racing /aftermarket parts outfit for balancing and they have sat on the project for more than reasonable time. (over six months) without doing anything about it. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Last year at Tracy Crook's rotary engine fly-in down in Bell Florida there was a gentleman with a Mazda derived single rotor engine. He had made a custom casting for one of the end plates. This engine ran very well and produced and estimated 100 HP. I do not recall his name. Regards, Chrissi ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:45 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone? Michael, You may want to check that link.... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (9 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Silvius Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 1:25 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone? Chrissi: That would have been Richard Shon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bid9KsuxECA Michael Silvius Scarborough, Maine Falconar F-12 w/ NA 1988 13b in progress ----- Original Message ----- From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Last year at Tracy Crook's rotary engine fly-in down in Bell Florida there was a gentleman with a Mazda derived single rotor engine. He had made a custom casting for one of the end plates. This engine ran very well and produced and estimated 100 HP. I do not recall his name. Regards, Chrissi ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:01 PM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone? A few more photos of Richard's single rotor Mazda 12A Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Last year at Tracy Crook's rotary engine fly-in down in Bell Florida there was a gentleman with a Mazda derived single rotor engine. He had made a custom casting for one of the end plates. This engine ran very well and produced and estimated 100 HP. I do not recall his name. Regards, Chrissi ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:32 PM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone? OOOOOOOpppps!!! catchy tune any how!!! LOL Yes, you are right, dont know how that one got there but here is the right link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4P8NeudGGU ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Michael, You may want to check that link.... ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:19 PM PST US From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone? Yes, that's the one, thanks Regards, Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ===== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 6/5/2008 2:54:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, silvius@gwi.net writes: OOOOOOOpppps!!! catchy tune any how!!! LOL Yes, you are right, dont know how that one got there but here is the right link _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4P8NeudGGU_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4P8NeudGGU) ----- Original Message ----- From: _Gary Boothe_ (mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net) Michael, You may want to check that link.. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:42 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: I'm really gunshy about water in my gas because I've heard of so many accidents caused by this. Recently I've been looking at accessories for outboard boat motors and noticed they use "water seperating filters" which look much like a regular oil filter in a similar housing, which could mount on the firewall before the gascolator. Does anyone know how these work, and is it completely redundant since we have sumps and drains in the tank and in the gascolator, or is it a good bit of extra insurance? They weigh a few pounds. Also, I'd really appreciate any input regarding the amount of endurance that seems right? Leaving 30 minutes of fuel in my tank, which is cutting it awefully close for my taste, will give me about two and a half to three hours. Douwe ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:20 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Boats have water separators because they have big tanks with no practical way to put a sump in the bottom of them and they also have a tendency to operate in a very wet environment. If you put sumps at the lowest points in your fuel system and drain them before each flight you will get all of the water out and a water separator would just be a redundant part adding weight and another thing in your fuel line with the potential to cause leaks or other problems. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Douwe Blumberg" > >I'm really gunshy about water in my gas because I've heard of so many >accidents caused by this. Recently I've been looking at accessories for >outboard boat motors and noticed they use "water seperating filters" which >look much like a regular oil filter in a similar housing, which could mount >on the firewall before the gascolator. > >Does anyone know how these work, and is it completely redundant since we >have sumps and drains in the tank and in the gascolator, or is it a good bit >of extra insurance? They weigh a few pounds. > >Also, I'd really appreciate any input regarding the amount of endurance that >seems right? Leaving 30 minutes of fuel in my tank, which is cutting it >awefully close for my taste, will give me about two and a half to three >hours. > >Douwe > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:55 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brian The basic requirement is that there is a sump at the low point of the system. On one plane a few years ago I installed a in line fuel filter and the DAR had me remove it because it could clog and cut off fuel. I see the same potential problem with a fuel water seperator for a boat. I have one of these on my boat and I have had the engine shut down because of clogs. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:11 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: > > > Boats have water separators because they have big tanks with no practical > way to put a sump in the bottom of them and they also have a tendency to > operate in a very wet environment. > > If you put sumps at the lowest points in your fuel system and drain them > before each flight you will get all of the water out and a water separator > would just be a redundant part adding weight and another thing in your > fuel line with the potential to cause leaks or other problems. > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Douwe Blumberg" > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:27:32 -0400 > >> >> >>I'm really gunshy about water in my gas because I've heard of so many >>accidents caused by this. Recently I've been looking at accessories for >>outboard boat motors and noticed they use "water seperating filters" which >>look much like a regular oil filter in a similar housing, which could >>mount >>on the firewall before the gascolator. >> >>Does anyone know how these work, and is it completely redundant since we >>have sumps and drains in the tank and in the gascolator, or is it a good >>bit >>of extra insurance? They weigh a few pounds. >> >>Also, I'd really appreciate any input regarding the amount of endurance >>that >>seems right? Leaving 30 minutes of fuel in my tank, which is cutting it >>awefully close for my taste, will give me about two and a half to three >>hours. >> >>Douwe >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.