---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/10/08: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:53 AM - Re: Love hate List (Phillips, Jack) 2. 05:09 AM - Re: Love hate List (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]) 3. 05:49 AM - shaky tach needle (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 06:01 AM - Re: shaky tach needle (Gene Rambo) 5. 06:20 AM - Re: shaky tach needle (outofthebox50@yahoo.com) 6. 06:33 AM - Re: shaky tach needle (Steve Ruse) 7. 08:16 AM - Re: tubing size for shoulder harness (Bill Church) 8. 09:23 AM - Re: Love hate List (David Jones) 9. 09:37 AM - No folding wings (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]) 10. 09:53 AM - Re: No folding wings (John Hofmann) 11. 10:11 AM - Re: tubing size for shoulder harness (Roman Bukolt) 12. 10:12 AM - folding wing--price reduced (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]) 13. 10:38 AM - Re: folding wing--price reduced (John Hofmann) 14. 11:19 AM - T-88 questions...........................................again (Ben Ramler) 15. 11:27 AM - Re: T-88 questions.............................................. (HelsperSew@aol.com) 16. 11:47 AM - Re: T-88 questions...........................................again (TOM STINEMETZE) 17. 12:23 PM - Re: T-88 questions...........................................again (Jack T. Textor) 18. 01:10 PM - Re: T-88 questions...........................................again (Ben Ramler) 19. 02:09 PM - climb performance (RBush96589@aol.com) 20. 02:10 PM - Re: T-88 questions...........................................again (TOM STINEMETZE) 21. 02:19 PM - Re: Love hate List (=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=) 22. 02:23 PM - Visits (=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=) 23. 03:51 PM - Piets in DC area? (Jeff Boatright) 24. 05:18 PM - Re: T-88 questions...........................................again (Ben Charvet) 25. 06:01 PM - Re: T-88 questions...........................................again (Pastor M F Townsley) 26. 06:51 PM - project "piet" (Ben Ramler) 27. 06:53 PM - Re: Piets in DC area? (chase143) 28. 08:10 PM - Re: Piets in DC area? (Gene Rambo) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:30 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Love hate List From: "Phillips, Jack" Love the circular cutout in the wing with a handhold for cockpit entry/egress Love the steps I made for cockpit entry/egress Love the centersection fuel tank with no worries about fuel pressure Hate re-fueling the centersection fuel tank, with excess fuel running right into my seat Love the large baggage compartment between the firewall and front cockpit (where most people put the fuel tank) Hate the cheap nylon fittings I used on the low-pressure side of the brake system - they leak constantly Love the avionics installation in the centersection - easy to operate and doesn't detract from the antique look Love the brakelines routed through the middle of the aft landing gear struts to preserve the antique look Love the wire wheels and straight axle, even though they are heavy Love the turtledeck and instrument panels raised 1-1/2" Indifferent about the extra 1" added to the fuselage width - probably would not do that again Love the tailwheel steering cables attached to the mid section of the rudder bar to decrease sensitivity of the tailwheel steering Hate the Polyurethane paint - heavy and difficult to apply. Next time I will use Polytone Love the access panel I added underneath the elevator bellcrank Love the dipole antenna under the leading edge plywood to not detract from the antique appearance Love the temperfoam seat cushions for long cross-countries Love the lockable helmet box behind the pilot's seat to store flying helmets and GPS Love the Sunbrella cockpit covers my wife made for me Love the 3-piece windshields but they were a pain to make Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 2:22 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Love hate List Love the nose fuel tank----easy to fill, no messes of fuel in the cockpits,no climbing way up above the wing to fill the center section. Love the center section baggage compartment. Tent, folding chair, tie downs, sleeping bag, extra oil, rags, paper towels. Hate the fact that I raised my seat 2" above the plans. Should have left well enough alone but wanted better vis. over the nose. Dumb.....dumb, dumb. Love the fuel burn compared to my P-51 Mustang. (yeah right) Love the wire wheels. Love the straight axel and wood gear. Love the light grade dacron fabric. It filled quickly, less coats of paint, less weight. Hate that it's not a super chick magnet plane like a Turbine Legend or Cirrus. I kind of knew that going into it though:) Love the tight patterns that you can fly with a Piet and cutting inside morons who do approaches that resemble airliners into LaGuardia. I thought that you're supposed to be able to reach the runway from wherever you are in your pattern if your engine quits ? I hardly see any pilots anymore who fly like that. I digress. Love that I raised the instrument panels and turtledeck 1" above plans height. Loved that I installed a storage area behind pilot's seat going quite a ways back in the turtledeck area. Love the folding/removable seat for inspection purposes. Hate that I have to clean the bugs off when I'm done flying. Prior to marriage my girlfriend always used to help with that. Love the wood prop. Love the folding wings and trailerability I have:) Mike C. in Ohio [ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any o ther use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Fr ancais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Svenska: w ww.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:03 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Love hate List From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" Great points Jack and he noted the one thing I'd forgotten that I love---the center section cutout with hand-hold. Makes getting in easy and you can see some more sky when you're in a turn too. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:20 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: shaky tach needle G'day, Pieters; The needle on the (mechanical) tach on 41CC looks like a hula dancer's hips when up at cruise RPM. I get a general idea of the engine speed by reading inbetween the swing of the needle tip arc but it sure does a shaky shake. I also know that it reads 200 RPM high at cruise because I checked it with a digital, optical tach. The error is low at low RPM but gets larger as I approach 2100-2200 RPM and above. I know nothing about how these tachs work and have not pulled out the cable to see what the ends of it look like. Can the cable be cleaned and lubricated and maybe take some of the "hula hips" action out of the tach needle, or is it a sealed assembly? Would the cable have any effect on the accuracy of the tach reading or is that strictly a function of the instrument? Thanks for any help. I think I'll go snoop the Sac Sky Ranch website to see if they have anything about this. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:29 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shaky tach needle yea, you can pull the center out of the cable and put some moly grease on it. You can also spray a l;ittle lube in the tach itself at the drive end, not too much. That should stop it. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Oscar Zuniga To: Pietenpol List Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: shaky tach needle > G'day, Pieters; The needle on the (mechanical) tach on 41CC looks like a hula dancer's hips when up at cruise RPM. I get a general idea of the engine speed by reading inbetween the swing of the needle tip arc but it sure does a shaky shake. I also know that it reads 200 RPM high at cruise because I checked it with a digital, optical tach. The error is low at low RPM but gets larger as I approach 2100-2200 RPM and above. I know nothing about how these tachs work and have not pulled out the cable to see what the ends of it look like. Can the cable be cleaned and lubricated and maybe take some of the "hula hips" action out of the tach needle, or is it a sealed assembly? Would the cable have any effect on the accuracy of the tach reading or is that strictly a function of the instrument? Thanks for any help. I think I'll go snoop the Sac Sky Ranch website to see if they have anything about this. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shaky tach needle From: outofthebox50@yahoo.com Oscar, I used to run a speedometer shop and your complaint is common. Pull your cable core out and hold one end in each hand. Pull your arms out as far as you can. Hold one end still and twist the other. Assuming your cable is about 5 ft, you shouldn't be able to turn it more than half a turn. If it is more, the core is acting like a spring and drives the tach in waves. The problem could also be the magnet striking the cup if it is a magnetic style tach. Pull the cable loose from the motor and drive it with a cordless drill. If you hear a repetative jingle and the needle still bounces, it is the magnet striking the cup. You can take the cable core to a speedo shop and they can make one cheap. Tell them it is for your boat. A good shop won't make one for a plane. If it is in the tach, you can try to take it and have it repaired, but it is hard to get parts and find someone qualified and willing to do it. Let me know what you find. If you can't find anyone down there, I know a couple of people here in Dallas. Good luck, Jeremy in Dallas Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga To:Pietenpol List Subject: Pietenpol-List: shaky tach needle G'day, Pieters; The needle on the (mechanical) tach on 41CC looks like a hula dancer's hips when up at cruise RPM. I get a general idea of the engine speed by reading inbetween the swing of the needle tip arc but it sure does a shaky shake. I also know that it reads 200 RPM high at cruise because I checked it with a digital, optical tach. The error is low at low RPM but gets larger as I approach 2100-2200 RPM and above. I know nothing about how these tachs work and have not pulled out the cable to see what the ends of it look like. Can the cable be cleaned and lubricated and maybe take some of the "hula hips" action out of the tach needle, or is it a sealed assembly? Would the cable have any effect on the accuracy of the tach reading or is that strictly a function of the instrument? Thanks for any help. I think I'll go snoop the Sac Sky Ranch website to see if they have anything about this. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:09 AM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shaky tach needle Oscar, Just a thought, but for less than $100, you could go to an electronic tach. Mine is a Westach 3AT3-2. I bought one a few months ago and it was $79, looks like they are $98.75 now from Spruce. All you have to do it connect it to ground, and connect it to each mag P-lead through a single selector switch to select the right or left mag. Electronic tachs are supposed to be much more accurate than mechanical, and mine stays very steady (no jumping) at all RPM. As a benefit, you could remove the tach cable running to your engine. Just a hair less clutter between the engine and cockpit, and no more cable to maintain. Steve Ruse Norman, OK Quoting Oscar Zuniga : > > > G'day, Pieters; > > The needle on the (mechanical) tach on 41CC looks like a hula > dancer's hips when up at cruise RPM. I get a general idea of the > engine speed by reading inbetween the swing of the needle tip arc > but it sure does a shaky shake. I also know that it reads 200 RPM > high at cruise because I checked it with a digital, optical tach. > The error is low at low RPM but gets larger as I approach 2100-2200 > RPM and above. I know nothing about how these tachs work and have > not pulled out the cable to see what the ends of it look like. > > Can the cable be cleaned and lubricated and maybe take some of the > "hula hips" action out of the tach needle, or is it a sealed > assembly? Would the cable have any effect on the accuracy of the > tach reading or is that strictly a function of the instrument? > > Thanks for any help. I think I'll go snoop the Sac Sky Ranch > website to see if they have anything about this. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:50 AM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tubing size for shoulder harness And, did you by any chance see the expression on the face of the guy in the background of the photo? Sometimes the camera catches just the wrong moment. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roman Bukolt Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tubing size for shoulder harness Tim, Did you by any chance see Bill Rewey's version of the passenger harness installation? On Jun 9, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Tim Willis wrote: ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:23 AM PST US From: "David Jones" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Love hate List Mike, Are you serious about having folding wings? That is the one drawback I've had in considering building a Piet. I just retired and can't afford the $225/mon hanger fees and been looking for something like a Kitfox or Avid. I just sold my Cessna about a month ago and need to get back in the air. Thanks. David On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] < michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: > Love the nose fuel tank----easy to fill, no messes of fuel in the > cockpits,no climbing way up above the wing to fill the center section. > > Love the center section baggage compartment. Tent, folding chair, tie > downs, sleeping bag, extra oil, rags, paper towels. > > Hate the fact that I raised my seat 2" above the plans. Should have left > well enough alone but wanted better vis. over the nose. Dumb.....dumb, > dumb. > > Love the fuel burn compared to my P-51 Mustang. (yeah right) > > Love the wire wheels. > > Love the straight axel and wood gear. > > Love the light grade dacron fabric. It filled quickly, less coats of > paint, less weight. > > Hate that it's not a super chick magnet plane like a Turbine Legend or > Cirrus. I kind of knew that going into it though:) > > Love the tight patterns that you can fly with a Piet and cutting inside > morons who do approaches that resemble airliners into LaGuardia. I thought > that you're supposed to be able to reach the runway from wherever you are > in your pattern if your engine quits ? I hardly see any pilots anymore who > fly like that. I digress. > > Love that I raised the instrument panels and turtledeck 1" above plans > height. > > Loved that I installed a storage area behind pilot's seat going quite a > ways back in the turtledeck area. > > Love the folding/removable seat for inspection purposes. > > Hate that I have to clean the bugs off when I'm done flying. Prior to > marriage my girlfriend always used to help with that. > > Love the wood prop. > > Love the folding wings and trailerability I have:) > > Mike C. in Ohio > > > [ > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: No folding wings From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" Forgive me for accidentally misleading some that I have folding wings. I do not have folding wings. Folding wings have been discussed ad-nauseum on the list in years past. For all the posts just search the Matronics archive http://www.matronics.com/search/ Mike C. PS-- David, you're thinking correctly by looking into something that is a proven folding-wing design like a Kitfox or Avid. That's the safest and smartest route to care-free folding wing flying. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:26 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No folding wings Here is a proven folding wing aircraft for sale. Price just reduced. http://courtesyaircraft.com/Wildcat%20Proj%20sn%2086774.htm John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jun 10, 2008, at 11:34 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] wrote: > Forgive me for accidentally misleading some that I have folding > wings. I do not have folding wings. > > Folding wings have been discussed ad-nauseum on the list in years > past. For all the posts just search the > Matronics archive http://www.matronics.com/search/ > > Mike C. > > PS-- David, you're thinking correctly by looking into something that > is a proven folding-wing design like a Kitfox or Avid. That's the > safest > and smartest route to care-free folding wing flying. > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:39 AM PST US From: Roman Bukolt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tubing size for shoulder harness And, by the way, Bill Rewey is a registered professional Mechanical Engineer and knows a thing or two about stresses, strength of materials and impact loads. He also is an EAA DAR. I don't know the background of the observer in the picture. do not archive On Jun 10, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Bill Church wrote: > > > > And, did you by any chance see the expression on the face of the guy > in the > background of the photo? Sometimes the camera catches just the wrong > moment. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Roman Bukolt > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 7:01 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tubing size for shoulder harness > > Tim, Did you by any chance see Bill Rewey's version of the passenger > harness installation? > On Jun 9, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Tim Willis wrote: > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: folding wing--price reduced From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" http://courtesyaircraft.com/Wildcat%20Proj%20sn%2086774.htm Looks like it just needs a power-washing and oil change---should be good to go. Which lake did they pull that one up from I wonder ? ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:29 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: folding wing--price reduced Kind of reminds me of a Cub I happen to know (or is that own?)... -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jun 10, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] wrote: > http://courtesyaircraft.com/Wildcat%20Proj%20sn%2086774.htm > > Looks like it just needs a power-washing and oil change---should be > good to go. > Which lake did they pull that one up from I wonder ? > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:37 AM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Pietenpol-List: T-88 questions...........................................again Afternoon Group, Here we go again group members. Dad and I are going to try again building the aircamper. The question as we get closer to start building is how do I apply T-88 with out getting it all over the place gluing the fuselage to the table. yes knowing me that is likely to happen. I was thinking maybe some disposable paint brushes might work then pitch them. I can't lay wax paper down because that will screw up the glue. any thoughts on this subject? take care, Ben Piet builder wanna-be ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:50 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 questions.............................................. Ben, Any cheap clear film polyethylene drop cloth material will work. This will not stick to T-88. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:12 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 questions...........................................again > how do I apply T-88 with out getting it all over the place gluing the fuselage to the table. > Ben: There are plenty of ways to do this. I used popsicle sticks cut off to be squarish on one end. You can buy these for about $1.00 per 100 at your local Wal-Mart. Use these to mix your T-88 in relatively small batches. Test fit your joints dry and mark the areas where T-88 is to be applied. Then, with just enough T-88 on the stick to cover that small space, wipe on a thin layer - being sure to apply glue to both sides of the joint. Fasten that joint with your gusset using whatever method you have chosen and move on to the next joint. You will find that T-88 is not extremely runny and will stay on the joint if you don't put it on too thick. I did this on a bare wood table and ended up with no sticking problems. On the wing ribs, I put small pieces of wax paper underneath each joint and allowed the excess to drip on through. This was easy enough to clean off after the rib came out of the jig. Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:05 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: T-88 questions...........................................again From: "Jack T. Textor" Ben, Wax paper or saran wrap will work fine. For my ribs I cut a hole under each joint which worked well. Jack www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:50 PM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 questions...........................................again so you don't allow the rib to dry in the jig right Tom S?=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: TOM STINEMETZE =0ATo: piete npol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:43:55 PM=0ASubject : Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 questions....................................... ....again=0A=0A=0A>-how do I apply T-88 with out getting it all over the place gluing the fuselage to the table. >=0A=0ABen:=0A-=0AThere are plent y of ways to do this.- I used popsicle sticks cut off to be squarish on o ne end.- You can buy these for about $1.00 per 100 at your local Wal-Mart .- Use these to mix your T-88 in relatively small batches.- Test fit yo ur joints dry and mark the areas where T-88 is to be applied.- Then, with just enough T-88 on the stick-to cover that small space, wipe on a thin layer-- being sure to apply glue to both sides of the joint.- Fasten th at joint with your gusset using whatever method you have chosen and move on to the next joint.=0A-=0AYou will find that T-88 is not extremely runny and will stay on the joint if you don't put it on too thick.- I did this on a bare wood table and ended up with no sticking problems.- On the wing ribs, I put small pieces of wax paper underneath each joint and allowed th e excess to drip on through.- This was easy enough to clean off after the rib came out of the jig.=0A-=0ATom Stinemetze=0AMcPherson, KS.=0A=0A=0A_ -======================== -======================== =======0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:27 PM PST US From: RBush96589@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: climb performance Hey Dick, Sorry for the late response to your question about the corvair powered piet climb performance,but over the weekend with temps in the upper eighties and gross weight of about 1250 ibs,climbing out at between 60 and 65 mph my vsi read around 300 to 400fpm. Randy Bush NX294RB **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:27 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 questions...........................................again >so you don't allow the rib to dry in the jig right Tom S? < Ben: Yes, I did let my ribs set in the jig overnight to let the T-88 set. However, you don't have to if you build your jig correctly and use staples or nails to attach your gussetts. I did it the slow way since I was doing plenty of other things at the same time and just building ribs can get pretty tedious. If you will search the archives you will be able to find several posts from folks who jigged up the rib, attached the first set of gussets, and then took the rib out of the jig and put the second set of gussets on. I didn't try that so can't say Yea or Nay. I even remember one post where the jig was tall enough to stack two or three ribs at a time. It's your project - find what works for you. Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS. "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary pejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence ." Albert Einstein ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Love hate List From: "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=" David The good news is you got some serious build time that you can do almost anywhere depending on your determination and commitment level. I am building in a basement and don't expect to need a hanger for at least another year. So not a real big concern for me at this point eventhough I am on the waiting list John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "David Jones" To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Love hate List Mike, Are you serious about having folding wings? That is the one drawback I've had in considering building a Piet. I just retired and can't afford the $225/mon hanger fees and been looking for something like a Kitfox or Avid. I just sold my Cessna about a month ago and need to get back in the air. Thanks. David On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] > wrote: Love the nose fuel tank----easy to fill, no messes of fuel in the cockpits,no climbing way up above the wing to fill the center section. Love the center section baggage compartment. Tent, folding chair, tie downs, sleeping bag, extra oil, rags, paper towels. Hate the fact that I raised my seat 2" above the plans. Should have left well enough alone but wanted better vis. over the nose. Dumb.....dumb, dumb. Love the fuel burn compared to my P-51 Mustang. (yeah right) Love the wire wheels. Love the straight axel and wood gear. Love the light grade dacron fabric. It filled quickly, less coats of paint, less weight. Hate that it's not a super chick magnet plane like a Turbine Legend or Cirrus. I kind of knew that going into it though:) Love the tight patterns that you can fly with a Piet and cutting inside morons who do approaches that resemble airliners into LaGuardia. I thought that you're supposed to be able to reach the runway from wherever you are in your pattern if your engine quits ? I hardly see any pilots anymore who fly like that. I digress. Love that I raised the instrument panels and turtledeck 1" above plans height. Loved that I installed a storage area behind pilot's seat going quite a ways back in the turtledeck area. Love the folding/removable seat for inspection purposes. Hate that I have to clean the bugs off when I'm done flying. Prior to marriage my girlfriend always used to help with that. Love the wood prop. Love the folding wings and trailerability I have:) Mike C. in Ohio [ ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Visits From: "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=" Any piets in the syracuse ny area? I am here for a few days and thought I would ask John ------Original Message------ From: Jack T. Textor Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Jun 10, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: T-88 questions...........................................again Ben, Wax paper or saran wrap will work fine. For my ribs I cut a hole under each joint which worked well. Jack www.textors.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:49 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in DC area? Any Piets in the Washington, DC area? I'm visiting there Fri-Tues and have most of Sun and all of Monday free. Thanks, Jeff -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:03 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 questions...........................................again Being the thrifty scrounger that I am, I used cut up pieces of plastic grocery bags under my joints. It is a little stronger than Saran Wrap, and you don't have to worry about wax residue messing up gluing the opposite side. As someone else suggested, I used pieces of wood to spread my glue. I made all my own cap strips, so using some thin stock that was left over and laying all over the shop worked out well. I used plastic medicine cups with graduations on them to mix my T-88 and that worked well. They were $3 for a 100 count and I've used less than 200 in the whole project. One other suggestion: When making your ribs smear the inside of the plywood pieces with a thin coat of T-88, because that area is VERY hard to varnish after the wing is assembled. T-88 is a great product and very forgiving. Have fun with this..... Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Ben Ramler wrote: > > Afternoon Group, > Here we go again group members. Dad and I are going to try again building the aircamper. The question as we get closer to start building is how do I apply T-88 with out getting it all over the place gluing the fuselage to the table. yes knowing me that is likely to happen. I was thinking maybe some disposable paint brushes might work then pitch them. I can't lay wax paper down because that will screw up the glue. any thoughts on this subject? > take care, > Ben > Piet builder wanna-be > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:20 PM PST US From: Pastor M F Townsley Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T-88 questions...........................................again Ben You scrounger you! You and I could be good buddies! Keep it up! Mike in Iowa Ben Charvet wrote: > > > Being the thrifty scrounger that I am, I used cut up pieces of plastic > grocery bags under my joints. It is a little stronger than Saran > Wrap, and you don't have to worry about wax residue messing up gluing > the opposite side. As someone else suggested, I used pieces of wood > to spread my glue. I made all my own cap strips, so using some thin > stock that was left over and laying all over the shop worked out > well. I used plastic medicine cups with graduations on them to mix my > T-88 and that worked well. They were $3 for a 100 count and I've used > less than 200 in the whole project. One other suggestion: When > making your ribs smear the inside of the plywood pieces with a thin > coat of T-88, because that area is VERY hard to varnish after the wing > is assembled. > T-88 is a great product and very forgiving. Have fun with this..... > > Ben Charvet > Mims, Fl > > > Ben Ramler wrote: >> >> >> Afternoon Group, >> Here we go again group members. Dad and I are going to try again >> building the aircamper. The question as we get closer to start >> building is how do I apply T-88 with out getting it all over the >> place gluing the fuselage to the table. yes knowing me that is likely >> to happen. I was thinking maybe some disposable paint brushes might >> work then pitch them. I can't lay wax paper down because that will >> screw up the glue. any thoughts on this subject? >> take care, >> Ben >> Piet builder wanna-be >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:43 PM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Pietenpol-List: project "piet" Hi all, I wanted to write to say that I guess in the couple of days I will be building the ribs for what I call "project piet". I have updated my personal webpage devoted the project and I will add new information as I go forward. the url is www.ben-aircamper.4t.com. take care ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in DC area? From: "chase143" Hello Jeff, I have approximately 1/1500 of my Pietenpol complete, 30 mins outside of DC on the MD side, if you are really bored! Fifteen ribs completed to date, not much to look at, but there is steady progress in the shop. The door is always open and the beer is always cold! Steve Chase chase143@aol.com www.myrv8.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187298#187298 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:54 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in DC area? I live in DC and have my Piet (and some other aircraft) at an airport about an hour's drive out of town. Gene 202-674-1445 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Boatright To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in DC area? > Any Piets in the Washington, DC area? I'm visiting there Fri-Tues and have most of Sun and all of Monday free. Thanks, Jeff -- --- Jeffrey H. 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