---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/11/08: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:10 AM - Re: Piets in DC area? (Phillips, Jack) 2. 05:57 AM - Re: T-88 questions...........................................aga (MikeD) 3. 06:01 AM - Re: Love hate List (MikeD) 4. 08:33 AM - Re: Piets in DC area? (chase143) 5. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: T-88 questions.......................................... (CozyGirrrl@aol.com) 6. 11:18 AM - Wing Building (Catdesigns) 7. 11:39 AM - Re: Wing Building (TOM STINEMETZE) 8. 11:40 AM - Re: Wing Building (walt evans) 9. 11:47 AM - Re: Wing Building (Jack T. Textor) 10. 11:53 AM - Re: Wing Building (HelsperSew@aol.com) 11. 12:13 PM - Re: Wing Building (TOM STINEMETZE) 12. 12:30 PM - Re: Wing Building (Phillips, Jack) 13. 12:36 PM - Re: Wing Building (Jack T. Textor) 14. 12:55 PM - marriage & building (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]) 15. 01:12 PM - Wing Building (santiago morete) 16. 01:25 PM - Re: Wing Building (Bill Church) 17. 01:43 PM - selling both planes (H RULE) 18. 06:27 PM - Re: marriage & building (Ryan Mueller) 19. 06:51 PM - Re: Re: T-88 questions...........................................aga (Dick Navratil) 20. 06:55 PM - Re: climb performance (Dick Navratil) 21. 07:39 PM - Re: Wing Building (gcardinal) 22. 07:53 PM - Re: marriage & building (Brian Kraut) 23. 08:09 PM - Re: Love hate List (gcardinal) 24. 08:12 PM - Re: T-88 questions...........................................aga (MikeD) 25. 08:13 PM - Re: Wing Building (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 26. 08:15 PM - Re: Wing Building (John Hofmann) 27. 08:24 PM - Re: marriage & building (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 28. 10:13 PM - Re: Re: T-88 questions...........................................aga (Ben Ramler) 29. 10:26 PM - Re: Wing Building (Brian Kraut) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:50 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piets in DC area? From: "Phillips, Jack" Hi Jeff, If you can get to Dulles on Saturday I will have my Pietenpol on display at the Udvar-Hazy Museum at Dulles Int'l Airport for the National Air & space Museum's "Become a Pilot Famly Day". http://www.nasm.si.edu/becomeapilot/ Come by and introduce yourself. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 6:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in DC area? Any Piets in the Washington, DC area? I'm visiting there Fri-Tues and have most of Sun and all of Monday free. Thanks, Jeff -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: T-88 questions...........................................aga From: "MikeD" ben_ramler2002(at)yahoo.c wrote: > Afternoon Group, > I can't lay wax paper down because that will screw up the glue. If you are not in scrounging mode, small rolls of polyethylene are cheap at Home Depot or the like, if you use a medium thickness like 3-6 mil it is tough enough to peel stuck parts and glue from it without trouble. Waxes are indeed soluble in epoxy to some degree, for example waxed paper cups are a no-no for mixing. -------- Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187338#187338 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Love hate List From: "MikeD" Love this thread already. That's all I have at this point, but I will be scouring those "love points" for ideas that I can still incorporate at this stage. Mike D. -------- Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187339#187339 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in DC area? From: "chase143" Hello Jack, We're still looking forward to coming over for the day, hope to see you there. Thanks for participating in the Dulles open house! Steve Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187366#187366 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:57 AM PST US From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: T-88 questions.......................................... We use a lot of sticky epoxy mixtures on composite aircraft, most people use common 2" wide plastic film packing tape. It has the added advantage of staying where you put it and it is micro thin. I could see putting a piece of this down under a glued joint. Regards, Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building From: "Catdesigns" (Crossing fingers) Im about a month away from starting assembly of the 3-piece wing. I was wondering if anyone has built their wings vertically (i.e. leading edge up) instead of horizontal lying flat on a bench? If so, could I get some pictures and/or descriptions of how to jig this up. Reason why I want to do this is I could work on both wings at the same time and it would fit so much better in my garage. I have a few ideas of my own but just thought I would ask. Usually my ideas cause delays, frustration, and added cost. How are the rest of you building your wings? Is there a better way then the way I am thinking? Or should I just cave in and kick the wifes car out of the garage. Chris -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187399#187399 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:39:04 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building > Is there a better way then the way I am thinking? Or should I just cave in and kick the wife's car out of the garage.> >Chris> Chris: I assume by this statement that you are implying your vehicle has already been kicked out of the garage. If not, you're about to be sleeping in the garage again. Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS. do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:27 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building proof read :^) Walt Evans NX140DL "Let's Legalize Freedom" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catdesigns" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building > > > (Crossing fingers) > > I?Tm about a month away from starting assembly of the 3-piece wing. I was > wondering if anyone has built their wings vertically (i.e. leading edge > up) instead of horizontal lying flat on a bench? If so, could I get some > pictures and/or descriptions of how to jig this up. Reason why I want to > do this is I could work on both wings at the same time and it would fit so > much better in my garage. I have a few ideas of my own but just thought I > would ask. Usually my ideas cause delays, frustration, and added cost. > > How are the rest of you building your wings? Is there a better way then > the way I am thinking? Or should I just cave in and kick the wife?Ts car > out of the garage. > > Chris > > -------- > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, CA > WestCoastPiet.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187399#187399 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:09 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building From: "Jack T. Textor" Chris, I'm doing mine on a 16' bench and it is working well. When building my RV8 they were built vertically which also worked well. When doing the RV you had each spar held at each end in a floor to ceiling jig. They were aligned with fishing line secured in the forward (top) spar and treaded through a hole in the lower (rear) spar secured to a weight. You could continually check the alignment by making sure the line was in the hole center. With the RV you also had to support the center of the spar so it wouldn't sag. As soon as you had the skin clecoed on the spar and ribs the support wasn't needed. It seems to me this would be hard with a wood wing since it would need to be supported until all the cross braces, compression struts, drag wires, leading edge cap, etc were in place. Hope this helps. Jack www.textors.com Im about a month away from starting assembly of the 3-piece wing. I was wondering if anyone has built their wings vertically (i.e. leading edge up) instead of horizontal lying flat on a bench? If so, could I get some pictures and/or descriptions of how to jig this up. Reason why I want to do this is I could work on both wings at the same time and it would fit so much better in my garage. I have a few ideas of my own but just thought I would ask. Usually my ideas cause delays, frustration, and added cost. How are the rest of you building your wings? Is there a better way then the way I am thinking? Or should I just cave in and kick the wifes car out of the garage. Chris -------- Chris Tracy Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187399#187399 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:26 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building Chris, We don't have to tell you what the right thing to do is here. You already know it. Reach down inside your gut, gird yourself, stand up straight, and tell her the way it is going to be. You absolutely need all that valuable space in order to build those wings the right way. You live in California where the weather is good so she doesn't need that car in there anyway. Don't you dare compromise this procedure. Just do it!!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. do not archive **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:58 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building I would be curious to know, for those of us who started this project while married; how many of us are still married to the same wife as when it all started? Tom S. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:26 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building From: "Phillips, Jack" Not me. She left about the time I was getting ready to cover. New wife arrived as I was finishing the painting. She will be flying with me in the Pietenpol this weekend, on a 4 hour trip from Raleigh to Washington DC. Now THAT's a flying wife. Not that she really understands or appreciates "Low and Slow". She prefers flying the RV-4 and getting there quickly. On the one occasion when she's gone up in the Pietenpol, she remarked as we were climbing out after takeoff from a 6,000' runway "We've been flying for over a minute and we still haven't gotten to the end of the runway!" I told her we were doing 50 mph and the runway is 6,000 feet long. Do the math. So we'll see what she thinks after a Pietenpol Cross-Country. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building I would be curious to know, for those of us who started this project while married; how many of us are still married to the same wife as when it all started? Tom S. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:02 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building From: "Jack T. Textor" 31 years for me, she did a heck of a job bucking rivets; we will see how she does on rib stitching. Jack www.textors.com do not archive Jack Textor Vice President ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: marriage & building From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" Jack's story had a happy twist and I've had the pleasure of meeting his aviation-supportive wife. Not only does she tolerate Jack but likes flying too ! I had nine years of unwedded bliss and built my airplane in that period. My first wife actually enjoyed flying and went with me quite often. Flying was not the downfall of our marriage but just to be on the safe side I built and flew my Pietenpol during my nine year hiatus from marriage. Today my wife is supportive of me flying and I can spend as much time doing that as I care to which is a plus. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:06 PM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building Chris, Here is how Chuck Guntzer built his one piece wing http://nx770cg.com/Wing.html, good luck Saludos Santiago --------------------------------- Busc desde tu celular!Yahoo! oneSEARCH ahora est en Claro http://ar.mobile.yahoo.com/onesearch ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:49 PM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building Chris, Personally, I find that I am much less productive when I'm lying flat on a bench. I get more done when I'm standing up... or were you referring to the wing lying flat on the bench? On another note, you can put a car IN the garage??? Bill C. (you were probably looking for a useful reply, too) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:51 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Pietenpol-List: selling both planes I can't aford the hanger fees any longer and the price of gas has just forc ed me to say both C-IOVC and C-IBBE have to go. The-GN-1 Aircamper-for $17,500.00 and the N3 Pup for $8,000.00.I hate doing this because I love bo th my planes but something has to go.-Contact me off list at harvey.rule@ rogers.com or harvey.rule@bell.ca or 613-739-5562. for pics and more info. =0A ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:40 PM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: marriage & building Jess and I have been married 1.5 years, and everything is going swimmingly. She is very supportive of the Pietenpol build. As an example, right now I have a band saw on the buffet, the kitchen table is covered with a belt sander, rib jig, plans, a fresh Stromberg carb, etc. There's 500 feet of spruce in a box in front of the TV. Some birch ply behind the couch, and a pair of Corvair case halves on Roy's kennel. We have a one bedroom apt in the middle of Chicago, so we haven't much room, but it can be done! (Albeit slowly...) It certainly helps to have a willing partner through the whole process. Have a good one, Ryan On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] < michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: > > Jack's story had a happy twist and I've had the pleasure of meeting his > aviation-supportive > wife. Not only does she tolerate Jack but likes flying too ! > > I had nine years of unwedded bliss and built my airplane in that period. > My first wife actually > enjoyed flying and went with me quite often. Flying was not the downfall > of our marriage > but just to be on the safe side I built and flew my Pietenpol during my > nine year hiatus from > marriage. Today my wife is supportive of me flying and I can spend as much > time doing that > as I care to which is a plus. > > Mike C. > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:06 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: T-88 questions...........................................aga Mike I'm shure many of us are shocked to hear wax paper shouldnt be used under wing ribs. I have now built 3 sets of wings and havent had any problems, so far. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MikeD" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: T-88 questions...........................................aga > > > ben_ramler2002(at)yahoo.c wrote: >> Afternoon Group, >> I can't lay wax paper down because that will screw up the >> glue. > > > If you are not in scrounging mode, small rolls of polyethylene are cheap > at Home Depot or the like, if you use a medium thickness like 3-6 mil it > is tough enough to peel stuck parts and glue from it without trouble. > > Waxes are indeed soluble in epoxy to some degree, for example waxed paper > cups are a no-no for mixing. > > -------- > Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187338#187338 > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:10 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: climb performance Randy Thanks for the figures. Similar to mine. That next 60 lbs. seems to have pushed the envelope and I have an additional 1 ft of wing span and 110 hp. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: RBush96589@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: climb performance Hey Dick, Sorry for the late response to your question about the corvair powered piet climb performance,but over the weekend with temps in the upper eighties and gross weight of about 1250 ibs,climbing out at between 60 and 65 mph my vsi read around 300 to 400fpm. Randy Bush NX294RB ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:31 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building I am still married to the same woman but it cost me a $60,000 kitchen remodel........ Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building > > I would be curious to know, for those of us who started this project while > married; how many of us are still married to the same wife as when it all > started? > > Tom S. > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:00 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: marriage & building I just got divorced a few months ago. I have Piet tail surfaces in the bedroom, KR-2S spars in the dining room, KR-2 spars in the foyer, a Sonerai instrument panel on the kitchen table, a Piet center section and fuel tank in the living room, a Mustang II fuel tank in the living room, two props leaning up against the TV stand, more airplane parts in my office than we have time to detail, and I am about to set up some saw horses in the living room to assemble and cover the Piet wings on. Now if I can ever get the ex to get the rest of her clothes, nick knacks, vases, plastic flowers and plants, and all that other junk out of the house it would not look so cluttered. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:25 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: marriage & building Jess and I have been married 1.5 years, and everything is going swimmingly. She is very supportive of the Pietenpol build. As an example, right now I have a band saw on the buffet, the kitchen table is covered with a belt sander, rib jig, plans, a fresh Stromberg carb, etc. There's 500 feet of spruce in a box in front of the TV. Some birch ply behind the couch, and a pair of Corvair case halves on Roy's kennel. We have a one bedroom apt in the middle of Chicago, so we haven't much room, but it can be done! (Albeit slowly...) It certainly helps to have a willing partner through the whole process. Have a good one, Ryan On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] wrote: Jack's story had a happy twist and I've had the pleasure of meeting his aviation-supportive wife. Not only does she tolerate Jack but likes flying too ! I had nine years of unwedded bliss and built my airplane in that period. My first wife actually enjoyed flying and went with me quite often. Flying was not the downfall of our marriage but just to be on the safe side I built and flew my Pietenpol during my nine year hiatus from marriage. Today my wife is supportive of me flying and I can spend as much time doing that as I care to which is a plus. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:54 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Love hate List I concur with Jack and Mike on the Jenny style gear. Well worth the extra weight. Love the simplicity of being brakeless with a tailskid. Love flying into a busy fly-in without a radio. It is easier to concentrate on traffic and flying. Wish I had a forward step to assist with filling the center-section tank. Love the minimal instrumentation. Hate flying in turbulence. Wish the A-65 motor mount had been extended 4" Love the rudder bar. Love the 3 piece windscreens Love the AeroQuip fuel fittings and 3/8" aluminum fuel line. This is no place to be cheap. Love having Dale Johnson as my building partner. He is a master craftsman. Love the flop. Hate living 45 minutes away from the airport. Just going to shoot a few landings requires a 3 hour block of time. I'm sure I can come up with more........... Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 6:50 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Love hate List Love the circular cutout in the wing with a handhold for cockpit entry/egress Love the steps I made for cockpit entry/egress Love the centersection fuel tank with no worries about fuel pressure Hate re-fueling the centersection fuel tank, with excess fuel running right into my seat Love the large baggage compartment between the firewall and front cockpit (where most people put the fuel tank) Hate the cheap nylon fittings I used on the low-pressure side of the brake system - they leak constantly Love the avionics installation in the centersection - easy to operate and doesn't detract from the antique look Love the brakelines routed through the middle of the aft landing gear struts to preserve the antique look Love the wire wheels and straight axle, even though they are heavy Love the turtledeck and instrument panels raised 1-1/2" Indifferent about the extra 1" added to the fuselage width - probably would not do that again Love the tailwheel steering cables attached to the mid section of the rudder bar to decrease sensitivity of the tailwheel steering Hate the Polyurethane paint - heavy and difficult to apply. Next time I will use Polytone Love the access panel I added underneath the elevator bellcrank Love the dipole antenna under the leading edge plywood to not detract from the antique appearance Love the temperfoam seat cushions for long cross-countries Love the lockable helmet box behind the pilot's seat to store flying helmets and GPS Love the Sunbrella cockpit covers my wife made for me Love the 3-piece windshields but they were a pain to make Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 2:22 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Love hate List Love the nose fuel tank----easy to fill, no messes of fuel in the cockpits,no climbing way up above the wing to fill the center section. Love the center section baggage compartment. Tent, folding chair, tie downs, sleeping bag, extra oil, rags, paper towels. Hate the fact that I raised my seat 2" above the plans. Should have left well enough alone but wanted better vis. over the nose. Dumb.....dumb, dumb. Love the fuel burn compared to my P-51 Mustang. (yeah right) Love the wire wheels. Love the straight axel and wood gear. Love the light grade dacron fabric. It filled quickly, less coats of paint, less weight. Hate that it's not a super chick magnet plane like a Turbine Legend or Cirrus. I kind of knew that going into it though:) Love the tight patterns that you can fly with a Piet and cutting inside morons who do approaches that resemble airliners into LaGuardia. I thought that you're supposed to be able to reach the runway from wherever you are in your pattern if your engine quits ? I hardly see any pilots anymore who fly like that. I digress. Love that I raised the instrument panels and turtledeck 1" above plans height. Loved that I installed a storage area behind pilot's seat going quite a ways back in the turtledeck area. Love the folding/removable seat for inspection purposes. Hate that I have to clean the bugs off when I'm done flying. Prior to marriage my girlfriend always used to help with that. Love the wood prop. Love the folding wings and trailerability I have:) Mike C. in Ohio [ http://www.matronics.com/contribution This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: T-88 questions...........................................aga From: "MikeD" horzpool(at)goldengate.ne wrote: > Mike > I'm shure many of us are shocked to hear wax paper shouldnt be used under > wing ribs. I have now built 3 sets of wings and havent had any problems, so > far. > Dick N. > --- Now that you've recovered from the shock, for wing ribs I can't see any problem since any epoxy touching it has nothing to do with the structure anyhow. But as I said, waxed paper cups such as Dixie bathroom cups (which look temptingly convenient for mixing small amounts) should not be used for mixing, as the potential exists to pick up some wax in the mix. Just a side note to the thread, thought it might be of use to someone. Glad to hear your wings haven't fallen apart so far.. [Wink] Mike -------- Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187502#187502 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:48 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building Tom,   The first thing I did was smile at my loving wife and show her the door! After she realized my love for flight, I became one with my pieter and no-one else could pull, grab, or even talk me into going soft.....on her.   Now my pieter is safe inside my single stall...garage and she (wife) is seeking a new man with no pieter! Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP   --- On Wed, 6/11/08, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote: From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@MCPCITY.COM> I would be curious to know, for those of us who started this project while married; how many of us are still married to the same wife as when it all started? Tom S. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:14 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building Second wife, this one is much better and very supportive. She let me buy a Cub but I too have a kitchen remodel in the near future. John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jun 11, 2008, at 9:41 PM, gcardinal wrote: > > > > I am still married to the same woman but it cost me a $60,000 > kitchen remodel........ > > Greg C. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "TOM STINEMETZE" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building > > >> > >> >> I would be curious to know, for those of us who started this >> project while married; how many of us are still married to the same >> wife as when it all started? >> >> Tom S. >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:24 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: marriage & building Brian....   Touche! Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP   --- On Wed, 6/11/08, Brian Kraut <brian.kraut@engalt.com> wrote: From: Brian Kraut <brian.kraut@engalt.com> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: marriage & building I just got divorced a few months ago.  I have Piet tail surfaces in the bedroom, KR-2S spars in the dining room, KR-2 spars in the foyer, a Sonerai instrument panel on the kitchen table, a Piet center section and fuel tank in the living room, a Mustang II fuel tank in the living room, two props leaning up against the TV stand, more airplane parts in my office than we have time to detail, and I am about to set up some saw horses in the living room to assemble and cover the Piet wings on.   Now if I can ever get the ex to get the rest of her clothes, nick knacks, vases, plastic flowers and plants, and all that other junk out of the house it would not look so cluttered.   Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: marriage & building Jess and I have been married 1.5 years, and everything is going swimmingly. She is very supportive of the Pietenpol build. As an example, right now I have a band saw on the buffet, the kitchen table is covered with a belt sander, rib jig, plans, a fresh Stromberg carb, etc. There's 500 feet of spruce in a box in front of the TV. Some birch ply behind the couch, and a pair of Corvair case halves on Roy's kennel. We have a one bedroom apt in the middle of Chicago, so we haven't much room, but it can be done! (Albeit slowly...) It certainly helps to have a willing partner through the whole process. Have a good one, Ryan On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: Jack's story had a happy twist and I've had the pleasure of meeting his aviation-supportive wife.  Not only does she tolerate Jack but likes flying too !    I had nine years of unwedded bliss and built my airplane in that period.   My first wife actually enjoyed flying and went with me quite often.   Flying was not the downfall of our marriage but just to be on the safe side I built and flew my Pietenpol during my nine year hiatus from marriage.  Today my wife is supportive of me flying and I can spend as much time doing that as I care to which is a plus.  Mike C. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:41 PM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: T-88 questions...........................................aga thanks Dick! I think I will go down that road. ----- Original Message ---- From: Dick Navratil Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:47:36 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: T-88 questions...........................................aga Mike I'm shure many of us are shocked to hear wax paper shouldnt be used under wing ribs. I have now built 3 sets of wings and havent had any problems, so far. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MikeD" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: T-88 questions...........................................aga > > > ben_ramler2002(at)yahoo.c wrote: >> Afternoon Group, >> I can't lay wax paper down because that will screw up the >> glue. > > > If you are not in scrounging mode, small rolls of polyethylene are cheap > at Home Depot or the like, if you use a medium thickness like 3-6 mil it > is tough enough to peel stuck parts and glue from it without trouble. > > Waxes are indeed soluble in epoxy to some degree, for example waxed paper > cups are a no-no for mixing. > > -------- > Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187338#187338 > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:15 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building Did that 60K remodel include all Sitka Spruce cabinets and a Corvair powered ceiling fan? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of gcardinal Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building I am still married to the same woman but it cost me a $60,000 kitchen remodel........ Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Building > > I would be curious to know, for those of us who started this project while > married; how many of us are still married to the same wife as when it all > started? > > Tom S. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.