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1. 06:18 AM - Re: help, please! (Gene Rambo)
2. 07:04 AM - Re: help, please! (walt evans)
3. 07:50 AM - Trim Control (John Egan)
4. 08:19 AM - Re: Trim Control (shad bell)
5. 08:49 AM - springs (Gene Rambo)
6. 10:14 AM - Brussels 2008 (Bill Church)
7. 11:43 AM - Re: help, please! (H RULE)
8. 04:22 PM - Re: Trim Control (Peter W Johnson)
9. 04:42 PM - Re: springs (gcardinal)
10. 07:22 PM - Re: Wheel Strut Brackets (Lagowski Morrow)
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| Subject: | Re: help, please! |
thanks to all for telling me to "build to the plans", and I think my
airplane is probably closest to the plans of any I have seen, but I know
that someone, maybe Ken Perkins, came up with a correction to the
geometry of the bellcrank that eliminates the slack cables and keeps
them the same tension throughout. At one time, I had made notes as to
how it worked, but I cannot find them now. I do not think it was as
simple as making the distance between the holes the same as on the
elevator horns and stick controls, but it might have been. I think it
had something to do with the bellcrank hinge not being in line with the
holes for the cables, so there is some other measurement that works that
someone arrived at through trial and error to correct for this.
I may be wrong whether it kept the cables from touching the stab, which
does not bother me, really, but I know pretty much everyone raises the
bellcrank to some amount to lessen the rub, at least. Adding pulleys at
the at end of the pilot seat makes it possible to raise it as much as
necessary. I think the only reason Bernie's rubbed was that he avoided
the use of pulleys.
Thanks for the help, keep it coming, especially the source for the
spring.
Gene
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From: walt evans<mailto:waltdak@verizon.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: help, please!
Gene,
I think that it is accepted that that's the way it will be,
My cables rub, but when you add the piece of leather, they rub on
that.
And I don't think that you can perfectly correct the geometry on the
cable taughtness.
Believe me, Bernard knew what he was doing,,,I've been flying mine for
6 years,,and in no way do you feel a problem with the cables or
controls.
It's a blast to fly.
Build to the plans.
Build to the plans.
Build to the plans.
Build to the plans.
Build to the plans.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"Let's Legalize Freedom"
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From: Gene Rambo<mailto:generambo@msn.com>
To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 7:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: help, please!
I am reaching the point where I am starting assembly and need some
specific information that I have seen on here before but cannot find
now:
1. I have seen the dimensions to change the elevator bellcrank so
that the cables (1 do not touch the leading edge of the stab) and (2 do
not get tight/slack during movement through their range). The first
requires raising the bellcrank, the second is a difference in the
distance between the holes for the cables;
2. what is the source for the tailskid spring that most closely
matches the one in the plans;
Can someone help me with these??
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: help, please! |
Gene,
I forgot to comment about the spring.
My son had 2 old shock units off of a Honda motorcycle, 100 or 160cc.
Kicking around. It was the exact size and compression to the plans.
I'll keep an eye out for more
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"Let's Legalize Freedom"
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: help, please!
thanks to all for telling me to "build to the plans", and I think my
airplane is probably closest to the plans of any I have seen, but I know
that someone, maybe Ken Perkins, came up with a correction to the
geometry of the bellcrank that eliminates the slack cables and keeps
them the same tension throughout. At one time, I had made notes as to
how it worked, but I cannot find them now. I do not think it was as
simple as making the distance between the holes the same as on the
elevator horns and stick controls, but it might have been. I think it
had something to do with the bellcrank hinge not being in line with the
holes for the cables, so there is some other measurement that works that
someone arrived at through trial and error to correct for this.
I may be wrong whether it kept the cables from touching the stab,
which does not bother me, really, but I know pretty much everyone raises
the bellcrank to some amount to lessen the rub, at least. Adding
pulleys at the at end of the pilot seat makes it possible to raise it as
much as necessary. I think the only reason Bernie's rubbed was that he
avoided the use of pulleys.
Thanks for the help, keep it coming, especially the source for the
spring.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: help, please!
Gene,
I think that it is accepted that that's the way it will be,
My cables rub, but when you add the piece of leather, they rub on
that.
And I don't think that you can perfectly correct the geometry on the
cable taughtness.
Believe me, Bernard knew what he was doing,,,I've been flying mine
for 6 years,,and in no way do you feel a problem with the cables or
controls.
It's a blast to fly.
Build to the plans.
Build to the plans.
Build to the plans.
Build to the plans.
Build to the plans.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"Let's Legalize Freedom"
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 7:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: help, please!
I am reaching the point where I am starting assembly and need some
specific information that I have seen on here before but cannot find
now:
1. I have seen the dimensions to change the elevator bellcrank so
that the cables (1 do not touch the leading edge of the stab) and (2 do
not get tight/slack during movement through their range). The first
requires raising the bellcrank, the second is a difference in the
distance between the holes for the cables;
2. what is the source for the tailskid spring that most closely
matches the one in the plans;
Can someone help me with these??
Gene
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Piet Builders,=0AI am interested in learning what people have done regardin
g a trim control device on the control stick to offset the heaviness of the
stick.- Please comment on attach points and effectivness of the trim sys
tem.- Thank you.=0AJohn=0AGreenville, Wi=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Control |
Usually to compensate for stick heaviness in the piet (nose heavy with me flying)
I have to put sand bag ballast in the hat box in the seat back. Then to help
with my arm getting tired when I forget to put the ballast in, I do a couple
12oz curls with longneck dumbbells after I am done flying for the day. Works
good either way.
Shad
John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com> wrote:
Piet Builders,
I am interested in learning what people have done regarding a trim control device
on the control stick to offset the heaviness of the stick. Please comment
on attach points and effectivness of the trim system. Thank you.
John
Greenville, Wi
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by reviewing the archive, I found the spring for the tail skid, a John
Deere number is given that closely matches the one in the plans. I
ordered it online, although it costs 18.00 now instead of 9.00 back
then.
I also found where we discussed (me included) Ken Perkins' fix for the
bellcrank. I will try to contact him about this. It also looks like a
couple of you may have bought his plans for the modified bellcrank, and
I would love to hear from one of you.
Gene
202-674-1445
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Well, another successful Pietenpol gathering at the Armstrong Aerodrome in the
metropolis of Brussels was held yesterday. Despite "iffy" weather in the morning,
the clouds cleared, and a beautiful sunny afternoon arrived. The weather likely
contributed to the slightly smaller than usual crowds. There were five Piets
present.
I've posted photos on Mykitplane.com:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=328
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187984#187984
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| Subject: | Re: help, please! |
I put a strip of heavy duty leather there.Works fine.=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Orig
inal Message ----=0AFrom: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>=0ATo: p
ietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 7:35:43 PM=0ASu
bject: Re: Pietenpol-List: help, please!=0A=0A=0AGene,=0A=0AI understand yo
ur inquiry and the reason for it. Just keep in mind that if your upper elev
ator cable does not rub on the horizontal stabilizer, you are not officiall
y authorized to call your airplane " Pietenpol"................... Sorry.
=0A=0ADan Helsper=0APoplar Grove, IL.=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0A
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0AS
ent: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 6:14 pm=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: help, please!=0A
=0A=0AI am reaching the point where I am starting assembly and need some sp
ecific information that I have seen on here before but cannot find now:=0A
-=0A1.- I have seen the dimensions to change the elevator bellcrank so
that the cables (1 do not touch the leading edge of the stab) and (2 do not
get tight/slack during movement through their range).- The first require
s raising the bellcrank, the second is a difference in the distance between
the holes for the cables;=0A-=0A2.- what is the source for the tailski
d spring that most closely matches the one in the plans;=0A-=0ACan someon
e help me with these??=0A-=0AGene=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________
________________=0AGet the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie ne
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John,
I attached two springs to the bellcrank and fed cable through the rear seat
bulkhead to a wheel in the cockpit. A quick turn on the wheel seems to be
enough to hold the nose up a bit.
Check out the pictures for more info.
http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_1102_JPG.jpg
http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_1104_JPG.jpg
http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com <http://www.cpc-world.com/>
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan
Sent: Monday, 16 June 2008 12:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trim Control
Piet Builders,
I am interested in learning what people have done regarding a trim control
device on the control stick to offset the heaviness of the stick. Please
comment on attach points and effectivness of the trim system. Thank you.
John
Greenville, Wi
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This is the part number, as posted by Bill Church, for the John Deere
spring in case anybody else is looking for the info.
John Deere sells a spring that's a perfect match for the specs; its part
number is T 143444, and it costs about $9.00. Its outer dia. is
1.5in.; full length( no load ) is 6.73"
Bill C
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: springs
by reviewing the archive, I found the spring for the tail skid, a John
Deere number is given that closely matches the one in the plans. I
ordered it online, although it costs 18.00 now instead of 9.00 back
then.
I also found where we discussed (me included) Ken Perkins' fix for the
bellcrank. I will try to contact him about this. It also looks like a
couple of you may have bought his plans for the modified bellcrank, and
I would love to hear from one of you.
Gene
202-674-1445
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Strut Brackets |
Lars, I made my landing gear Vees out of 4 pieces of 1/4' ash laminated
together (Cabanes also). To get size, angles etc I made a full size
replica out of 1/4' pieces of foam board glued together.
Jim Lagowski, NX221PT
----- Original Message -----
From: Lars Hulgreen
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheel Strut Brackets
Need some advise, I am contemplating making my wheel struts out of
wood, and for that purpose I have designed a bracket from three pieces
of metal that will be welded together. I am a little uncertain of the
angel between the bottom of the fuselage and the strut .. If anybody
could help I sure would appreciate it.
Dane
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