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1. 01:07 AM - Re: Axle (Clif Dawson)
2. 03:53 AM - Bill Church photos (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
3. 04:19 AM - Re: Axle (Phillips, Jack)
4. 04:24 AM - Re: Axle (gcardinal)
5. 04:55 AM - Re: Re: Still Married? (Phillips, Jack)
6. 05:37 AM - flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
7. 05:48 AM - Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling (MikeD)
8. 05:54 AM - cross country in a Pietenpol (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
9. 06:15 AM - Re: Re: Still Married? (Gary Boothe)
10. 06:34 AM - Re: cross country in a Pietenpol (Phillips, Jack)
11. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling (Bill Church)
12. 07:02 AM - Re: cross country in a Pietenpol (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
13. 07:16 AM - Nordo and fun Withdo (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
14. 07:31 AM - Re: Nordo and fun Withdo (Phillips, Jack)
15. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Still Married? (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
16. 08:33 AM - Thanks Jack (chase143)
17. 09:01 AM - Re: Thanks Jack (Phillips, Jack)
18. 09:04 AM - Nordo-Pie tx/c-C. Ganzer (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
19. 09:26 AM - Cross country in a Piet? (Roman Bukolt)
20. 09:26 AM - Re: Nordo-Pie tx/c-C. Ganzer (TOM STINEMETZE)
21. 09:48 AM - Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling (MikeD)
22. 10:13 AM - Re: Thanks Jack (chase143)
23. 10:15 AM - Re: Cross country in a Piet? (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
24. 11:14 AM - Re: Cross country in a Piet? (MikeD)
25. 11:20 AM - Re: Cross country in a Piet? (Greg Chapman)
26. 11:21 AM - Re: Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling (Bill Church)
27. 11:58 AM - Aircraft gauges (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
28. 12:06 PM - Re: Cross country in a Piet? (Roman Bukolt)
29. 12:10 PM - Had a killer week (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
30. 12:17 PM - Re: Aircraft gauges (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
31. 12:20 PM - Re: Aircraft gauges (TOM STINEMETZE)
32. 12:38 PM - Re: Cross country in a Piet? (John Hofmann)
33. 12:45 PM - Re: Had a killer week (Phillips, Jack)
34. 01:53 PM - Re: Axle (Dick Navratil)
35. 02:10 PM - Re: Had a killer week (Brian Kraut)
36. 03:08 PM - Re: Aircraft gauges (hvandervoo@aol.com)
37. 03:43 PM - Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling (MikeD)
38. 06:05 PM - Re: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit (Dick Navratil)
39. 07:08 PM - Re: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit (=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBSZWNpbmU=?=)
40. 08:32 PM - a little off topic (Pastor M F Townsley)
41. 09:32 PM - Re: a little off topic (Brian Kraut)
42. 11:27 PM - Re: Axle (Clif Dawson)
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What size wall thickness are you guys with 1 1/2" straight axles using?
Clif
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| Subject: | Bill Church photos |
Nice photo Bill-----thanks to you and several other good photographers
on the list we really have a great selection of Piet photos available to
us
now. 10 years ago...not so much.
If you do a Google images search on Pietenpol or Grega you can really
enjoy
a time of seeing all the creative ways builders have created.
Mike C. from a nice, cool, comfortable Ohio morning.
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Mine are .188" wall
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Axle
What size wall thickness are you guys with 1 1/2" straight axles using?
Clif
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.120 is the correct size if you're going brakeless. The axle length will
be extended if you install brakes which may require upsizing or heat
treating for added strength.
Greg C.
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From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Axle
What size wall thickness are you guys with 1 1/2" straight axles
using?
Clif
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| Subject: | Re: Still Married? |
Chrissi,
Whaddya mean, the Piet is not a cross-country plane?
You just haven't been around Pietenpols long enough. My wife
spent a total of 9 hours sitting in our Pietenpol this weekend, flying
cross-country. It can be done, you've just got to find the right
spouse.
As Walt Evans has been known to say "The Pietenpol is slow, but
the Sky is patient"
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Still Married?
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:41:44 +0000
...Unfortunately the Piets are not a cross-country plane where
you can take your spouse to a fly in and have them hear the stories
about the far and wide travels and holidays flyers have had with their
completed projects, or the group flights to the Bahamas or Key West
after Sun-n-fun.
Maybe you can get them to read some Richard Bach and give them
some insight into that far away look in your eyes? (its not from T-88
dust)
...Chrissi
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| Subject: | flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit |
Great photos of you and your wife Jack and hats off to her for going
along with you to the weekend
event at the Udvar-Hazy National Air & Space Museum !
Letting kids sit in the cockpit is extremely gratifying when you see
them light up as you let them
move the controls and point out how the ailerons work like (as I like to
explain) how you lean your
bicycle over when you make turns. This Mennonite family at the
Indianapolis air show was just one
example. That one visit made my entire trip totally worthwhile.
Those kids were thrilled.
Mike C.
PS-- then again you have to watch out for the unruly brats who have
ignorant, hands-off parents who
try to climb up the side of your fuselage side kicking and grappling for
entry. I literally had to pull a kid
off of my plane one time as he was bashing the side stringer trying to
get his legs over the longeron
by the cockpit. The mother said 'oh Johnny, why don't you come over
here and we'll go get you some
ice cream. You takes the good with the bad at a flying event. (just
don't stray too far from your airplane
and remember to do a more than adequate pre flight.)
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| Subject: | Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling |
michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov wrote:
> I might be wrong about that but the FAA registry would say who the builder is.
(look it up on
> Landings.com under databases (wayyyy at the bottom of the web page in small
font)
Hmm.. I used the database search engine as best I could but it would not return
an entry for N28LT. I'll try to contact the current owner and see what he knows.
There was no listing for a Pietenpol with Randy listed as builder either.
I think I was doing the search correctly but..?
- Mike D.
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| Subject: | cross country in a Pietenpol |
I've flown my Pietenpol the 520 mile trip several times from Cleveland
to Oshkosh and a few more from
Cleveland to Brodhead which is less but still a good hike. No big
deal as long as the weather is VFR.
It takes roughly about the same time as it would to drive, sometimes
less, sometimes more but generally
about the same unless you're spouse has a Mazzerati and a heavy food
with radar and laser detector and
about twenty of those FOP stickers on her windows.
The neat thing is that the first two times at Oshkosh I went with no
gps, no radio, no weather radar at airports,
and simply a set of charts all Scotch taped together with tick marks
here and there and a lap board strapped
to my left thigh.
I couldn't agree with Don Emch more about going NORDO if you can in your
area.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Still Married? |
Jack,
I was at the museum last Wednesday, and with all the great planes hanging
around there, I was truly disappointed to have missed you by a matter of
days. Oh well, when you fly out to the West Coast I'll be sure to catch up
with you!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(10 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips,
Jack
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Still Married?
Chrissi,
Whaddya mean, the Piet is not a cross-country plane?
You just haven't been around Pietenpols long enough. My wife spent a total
of 9 hours sitting in our Pietenpol this weekend, flying cross-country. It
can be done, you've just got to find the right spouse.
As Walt Evans has been known to say "The Pietenpol is slow, but the Sky is
patient"
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Still Married?
.Unfortunately the Piets are not a cross-country plane where you can take
your spouse to a fly in and have them hear the stories about the far and
wide travels and holidays flyers have had with their completed projects, or
the group flights to the Bahamas or Key West after Sun-n-fun.
Maybe you can get them to read some Richard Bach and give them some insight
into that far away look in your eyes? (its not from T-88 dust)
...Chrissi
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| Subject: | cross country in a Pietenpol |
... I couldn't agree with Don Emch more about going NORDO if you can in
your area.
Mike C.
I agree, Mike - NORDO is cool. But I must admit, I got a kick out of
going into the Class B around Dulles, after penetrating the Washington
ADIZ, and having Potomac Approach call "Novermber X-Ray Eight Niner
Niner Juliet Papa, can you go to twenty five hundred (I was at 1500')
and I said "Affirmative, but it will take me about 10 minutes to get
there." They came back "Oh never mind. Maintain fifteen hundred", then
they vectored some business jet around me. Kind of made it worth all
the trouble to install a radio and transponder in the airplane.
Jack Phillips, PE
Sr. Manager, Disposable Products Research & Development
Cardinal Health Clinical Technologies & Services
Creedmoor, NC
(919) 528-5212
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| Subject: | Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling |
Mike D.,
I don't think you're going to have any luck with finding N28LT in the
database, since the plane is no longer registered in the US.
>From a quick Googling, I found references to the plane, indicating that it
was built in 1985 by Lawrence Tomasello.
The plane changed hands a few times over the years, until being bought a
couple of years ago, and imported into Ontario.
The new registration letters are C-GLPA.
>From what I heard at Brussels, the owner has had a difficult time getting
everything approved to get a permit to fly. Lots of paperwork and red tape,
and it's been over a year already.
There are a couple more photos listed under N28LT on this website:
http://www.airport-data.com/search/search2.html?field=model&code=pietenpol
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: cross country in a Pietenpol |
Jack that's sooo funny! I love it!
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| Subject: | Nordo and fun Withdo |
Great story Jack about the Dulles controller and even though we are
small fish in a big ocean when going into a big
airport like you and your wife just did you still feel pretty important
when someone at Dulles/Potomac Approach control
is calling out your N-number. Would be neat to have recorded that. I
know my Icom 5 has a record capability but
I would have had to read all about it prior to even going out to the
airport to fuss with it for an event like yours.
Did they refer to you as "Experimental November X-Ray.....or Pietenpol
or Homebuilt ? or simply N.... ?
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| Subject: | Nordo and fun Withdo |
When I called in, I called myself "Pietenpol November X-Ray Eight Niner
Niner Juliet Papa, Hazy Showplane" On subsequent calls, it was just
"November X-Ray..." You don't have to call yourself Experimental if you
use X-Ray in your call sign.
I was a bit worried about the transponder working properly. It's only
the second time I've ever turned it on. It draws quite a bit of current
and I can't recharge the battery in flight, so I tend to leave it off
unless I absolutely have to use it. Worked pretty well for something
that I bought on ebay for $200. Apparently it was working well, and
giving accurate altitudes for me.
The controllers there must not see a lot of small airplanes. They put
me on a downwind for runway 19L that was at least 5 miles from the
runway. I could barely see it. Then they ran me several miles past the
end of the runway before they told me to turn base and call the tower.
When the tower cleared us to land, I turned at a 45 degree angle aiming
for the end of the runway and cut off a couple of miles of flying.
Now if the weather will be just as nice for the trip to Brodhead next
month...
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nordo and fun Withdo
Great story Jack about the Dulles controller and even though we are
small fish in a big ocean when going into a big
airport like you and your wife just did you still feel pretty important
when someone at Dulles/Potomac Approach control
is calling out your N-number. Would be neat to have recorded that. I
know my Icom 5 has a record capability but
I would have had to read all about it prior to even going out to the
airport to fuss with it for an event like yours.
Did they refer to you as "Experimental November X-Ray.....or Pietenpol
or Homebuilt ? or simply N.... ?
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| Subject: | Re: Still Married? |
In a message dated 6/17/2008 6:56:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com writes:
Chrissi,
Whaddya mean, the Piet is not a cross-country plane?
You just havent been around Pietenpols long enough. My wife spent a total
of 9 hours sitting in our Pietenpol this weekend, flying cross-country. It
can be done, youve just got to find the right spouse.
======================================
Jack,
You guys are just awesome, that is quite a trip together. Great pictures.
Beautiful plane too, I hope we get to see it in person one of these days.
Ha ha ha, "right spouse"... after the first couple I think the next one is
going to have to hunt me down, I have a lot of projects right now.
We are glad we have one project to finish before starting in on the Piet.
The Cozy we decided to build a plane, ordered plans and were mixing epoxy
the day they arrived. If we had just sat back patiently for about a year or so,
listened carefully (mouth closed, ears open) we would have learned a lot.
By the time we start the Piet we will have a pile of notes and notebooks
just from the exchanges on this list.
In a perfect world we would have to build one first to find out the details
of how to do a better job next time. Hopefully we can learn a lot of those
details before we start.
Regards, Chrissi
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Jack,
Thanks to you and Karen for making the trip to Dulles this past weekend. It was
my first chance to see a Pietenpol up close, and your's is exceptional. I have
only 17 +/- ribs completed, and my building, before now, had been on faith and
pictorial inspiration, so you have no idea what a great inspiration you have
provided to this ole fighter pilot. As is usually the case at air shows, one
or two aircraft tend to steal the show, and Icarus Plummet was certainly the
focus at Dulles last Saturday. However, it's little wonder, given the obvious
attention in your craftsmanship, and the great rapport you and Karen had with
the crowd.
Thanks for flying up, hope to see you again at Brodhead!
Steve
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Thanks, Steve. I appreciate the kind words.
I feel like a dummy for not offering to let you climb in it and get the
feel of it. It didn't even occur to me, and you were too polite to ask.
Don't be so polite next time.
Good to hear you have 17 ribs now. I think you said Saturday that you
had 15 so you are making progress!
If you make it to Brodhead and the wx cooperates enough to allow me to
fly it there, I'll give you a ride in it.
Jack
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chase143
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks Jack
Jack,
Thanks to you and Karen for making the trip to Dulles this past weekend.
It was my first chance to see a Pietenpol up close, and your's is
exceptional. I have only 17 +/- ribs completed, and my building, before
now, had been on faith and pictorial inspiration, so you have no idea
what a great inspiration you have provided to this ole fighter pilot. As
is usually the case at air shows, one or two aircraft tend to steal the
show, and Icarus Plummet was certainly the focus at Dulles last
Saturday. However, it's little wonder, given the obvious attention in
your craftsmanship, and the great rapport you and Karen had with the
crowd.
Thanks for flying up, hope to see you again at Brodhead!
Steve
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| Subject: | Nordo-Pie tx/c-C. Ganzer |
If I were flying in to Osh. in a SR-71, I would fly in as NORDO. And
speaking of Pietenpol cross country, I got my, THE BEACON last week (the
newsletter of the EAA chapter 88. Wichita Ks ) and since Chuck G. hasn't
piped in on the subject I thought I would announce to the world that
none other than our own Chuck Ganzer will be the guest speaker. Talking
about building his Piet and his cross country adventures. So, coast to
coast, border to border, and all points in between or beyond, come one,
come all to the Kansas Aviation Museum. 3350 S. George Washington Blvd.
Wichita Ks. this Sat eve. June 21, 7:30 pm and be regaled with tales of
high Pietenpol adventure. Signed Anonymous
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| Subject: | Cross country in a Piet? |
Speaking of cross country, Bill Rewey has flown his Piet from Madison,
Wi. to Sun N Fun 1400 mi. each way four times.
Too bad Bill isn't computer wise. He could add a lot of good useful
info about Piets and building.
Roman Bukolt NX20795, close friend of Bill's.
We'll both see y'all at Brodhead.
On Jun 17, 2008, at 11:02 AM, Leon Stefan wrote:
>
> If I were flying in to Osh. in a SR-71, I would fly in as NORDO. And
> speaking of Pietenpol cross country, I got my, THE BEACON last week
> (the
> newsletter of the EAA chapter 88. Wichita Ks ) and since Chuck G.
> hasn't
> piped in on the subject I thought I would announce to the world that
> none other than our own Chuck Ganzer will be the guest speaker.
> Talking
> about building his Piet and his cross country adventures. So, coast to
> coast, border to border, and all points in between or beyond, come
> one,
> come all to the Kansas Aviation Museum. 3350 S. George Washington
> Blvd.
> Wichita Ks. this Sat eve. June 21, 7:30 pm and be regaled with tales
> of
> high Pietenpol adventure. Signed Anonymous
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nordo-Pie tx/c-C. Ganzer |
>So, coast to coast, border to border, and all points in between or
beyond, come one,>
>come all to the Kansas Aviation Museum. 3350 S. George Washington
Blvd.>
>Wichita Ks. this Sat eve. June 21, 7:30 pm and be regaled with tales
of>
>high Pietenpol adventure. Signed Anonymous>
Whoo Hoo - I'm only 60 miles down the road from Wichita. I think I can
afford
the gas for a great reason like listening to Chuck G. Tell him to bring
some
of his DVD's to sell.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
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| Subject: | Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling |
eng(at)canadianrogers.com wrote:
>
> From what I heard at Brussels, the owner has had a difficult time getting everything
approved to get a permit to fly. Lots of paperwork and red tape, and it's
been over a year already.
Were you there this year? If so, we must have met.. but my memory for names and
putting them to faces is pathetic.
--------
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Jack,
No problem, you were also having to deal with those thunderstorms coming in, which
reminded me to include "cockpit covers" in my things to do binder, which is
a foot thick!
Anyway, had I crawled in I might have quit my job right then and there to work
on mine full time. And though my wife of 25 years (this month) is my greatest
supporter, she would probably have something to say about that....
Can't wait for Brodhead and to take you up on your offer, way too kind!
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Cross country in a Piet? |
I flew many hours (note not miles) X/C in a Cessna 150 and was often told by those
with bigger planes how a 150 simpy was not a good X/C plane. A friend talked
about people who flew the country over in Piper Cubs in the 40s and 50s. Now
they are considered to be good for local flights only.
I had a little Yamaha 550 and was with a group of guys who all had big bikes. Several
proceeded to inform me that the 550 was simply too small to tour on and
that 750CC + was required. One of the old men laughed and later showed us a photo
of him on His Cushman Eagle Scooter loaded down with camping gear. He traveled
all over on that Scooter and said that it was all attitude. No one told
them that they shouldn't do it so they did it.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cross country in a Piet?
> <conceptmodels@tds.net>
> Speaking of cross country, Bill Rewey has flown his Piet from
> Madison,
> Wi. to Sun N Fun 1400 mi. each way four times.
> Too bad Bill isn't computer wise. He could add a lot of good
> useful
> info about Piets and building.
> Roman Bukolt NX20795, close friend of Bill's.
> We'll both see y'all at Brodhead.
> On Jun 17, 2008, at 11:02 AM, Leon Stefan wrote:
>
> Stefan)>
> > If I were flying in to Osh. in a SR-71, I would fly in as NORDO. And
> > speaking of Pietenpol cross country, I got my, THE BEACON last
> week
> > (the
> > newsletter of the EAA chapter 88. Wichita Ks ) and since Chuck
> G.
> > hasn't
> > piped in on the subject I thought I would announce to the world that
> > none other than our own Chuck Ganzer will be the guest speaker.
> > Talking
> > about building his Piet and his cross country adventures. So,
> coast to
> > coast, border to border, and all points in between or beyond,
> come
> > one,
> > come all to the Kansas Aviation Museum. 3350 S. George
> Washington
> > Blvd.
> > Wichita Ks. this Sat eve. June 21, 7:30 pm and be regaled with
> tales
> > of
> > high Pietenpol adventure. Signed Anonymous
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cross country in a Piet? |
steven.d.dortch(at)us.arm wrote:
> I had a little Yamaha 550 and was with a group of guys who all had big bikes.
Several proceeded to inform me that the 550 was simply too small to tour on and
that 750CC + was required.
I never realized 11.5 second quarter miles and 130+mph top end were prerequisites
for touring. Typical attitude from people who believe their way is the only
way. Last I checked if your safety equipment is good (tires, brakes etc.) and
the bike can maintain legal road speeds you can do whatever the blazes you want
and go wherever you feel like with it!
Same principle applies to aircraft I guess. Do what you want to do and to heck
with those who say you can't! Well, within reason of course.. [Wink]
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| Subject: | Cross country in a Piet? |
Man, you nailed it. My parents had 150cc and 80cc street bikes in the late
60's. They'd put my brother and I on the back and hit the Interstates. Now
when you tell someone you're going to x-country on a 750 motorcycle they
look at you like you're nuts. I look back at them like they're ignorant.
Yep, I'm the one with the bad attitude. ;)
If you think flying a cub x-country is impossible, unwise or improbable,
take a read of
http://www.amazon.com/Flight-Passage-Story-Rinker-Buck/dp/0786883154
Greg Chapman
http://www.mousetrax.com
http://www.layer1wireless.com
"Don't start with me or I'll
replace you with a small and
efficient script!"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D MAJ
> NG NG FORSCOM
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:13 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cross country in a Piet?
>
> FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> I flew many hours (note not miles) X/C in a Cessna 150 and was often
> told by those with bigger planes how a 150 simpy was not a good X/C
> plane. A friend talked about people who flew the country over in Piper
> Cubs in the 40s and 50s. Now they are considered to be good for local
> flights only.
>
> I had a little Yamaha 550 and was with a group of guys who all had big
> bikes. Several proceeded to inform me that the 550 was simply too small
> to tour on and that 750CC + was required. One of the old men laughed
> and later showed us a photo of him on His Cushman Eagle Scooter loaded
> down with camping gear. He traveled all over on that Scooter and said
> that it was all attitude. No one told them that they shouldn't do it so
> they did it.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling |
Mike,
Yes, I was there, but I don't have a face.
Just kidding.
I'm not the greatest at introducing myself, so I don't think we actually
met. But after thinking about it I believe we might have sat together for a
bit. I see from the archives that you recently bought a Piet project from
Colorado, that has wings to be assembled, and I recall sitting in on a
conversation with Brian Kenney about wing construction details. Someone went
to get a copy of the plans. Was that you and your building partner? If so, I
know what the two of you look like (but not who is who). I've seen a few
photos of your project (before it was yours) and thought that it looked to
be well built, and nicely done.
I'm about four years into my build - with only a set of ribs and a
horizontal stab and elevators to show for it, so far. But I'm having fun. I
work on it whenever I get a chance, which sometimes isn't very often. Life
has a tendency to get in the way of airplane building.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MikeD
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling
eng(at)canadianrogers.com wrote:
>
> From what I heard at Brussels, the owner has had a difficult time getting
everything approved to get a permit to fly. Lots of paperwork and red tape,
and it's been over a year already.
Were you there this year? If so, we must have met.. but my memory for names
and putting them to faces is pathetic.
--------
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Fellow Pieters:
I am wondering what gauges most of you are using in your piet's if using a corvair
engine. Information such as: type of gauge, brand of gauge, tach (pulse, coil, or
teeth counter) etc..
I am ready to assemble my panel and wonder "which" gauges and brands (where purchased).
Don't need an F-14 cockpit but just curious what others are using....
Village Idiot
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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| Subject: | Re: Cross country in a Piet? |
Speaking of Cubs, go to Lock Haven, Pa. this week-end and see the
gathering of Cubs from all over the U.S. for the annual Cub event.
One man in particular did a great job of logging his flight from
California. His name is Bernard Heimos. if you want to be
entertained by some great photos accompanied by a well written log,
check out:
www.vintageflying.com
After all, the Piper Cub is sort of a close cousin to our Piets.
Roman Bukolt NX20795
do not archive
On Jun 17, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM wrote:
> FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> I flew many hours (note not miles) X/C in a Cessna 150 and was often
> told by those with bigger planes how a 150 simpy was not a good X/C
> plane. A friend talked about people who flew the country over in
> Piper Cubs in the 40s and 50s. Now they are considered to be good
> for local flights only.
>
> I had a little Yamaha 550 and was with a group of guys who all had
> big bikes. Several proceeded to inform me that the 550 was simply
> too small to tour on and that 750CC + was required. One of the old
> men laughed and later showed us a photo of him on His Cushman Eagle
> Scooter loaded down with camping gear. He traveled all over on that
> Scooter and said that it was all attitude. No one told them that
> they shouldn't do it so they did it.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net>
> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:42
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cross country in a Piet?
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>> <conceptmodels@tds.net>
>> Speaking of cross country, Bill Rewey has flown his Piet from
>> Madison,
>> Wi. to Sun N Fun 1400 mi. each way four times.
>> Too bad Bill isn't computer wise. He could add a lot of good
>> useful
>> info about Piets and building.
>> Roman Bukolt NX20795, close friend of Bill's.
>> We'll both see y'all at Brodhead.
>> On Jun 17, 2008, at 11:02 AM, Leon Stefan wrote:
>>
>> Stefan)>
>>> If I were flying in to Osh. in a SR-71, I would fly in as NORDO. And
>>> speaking of Pietenpol cross country, I got my, THE BEACON last
>> week
>>> (the
>>> newsletter of the EAA chapter 88. Wichita Ks ) and since Chuck
>> G.
>>> hasn't
>>> piped in on the subject I thought I would announce to the world that
>>> none other than our own Chuck Ganzer will be the guest speaker.
>>> Talking
>>> about building his Piet and his cross country adventures. So,
>> coast to
>>> coast, border to border, and all points in between or beyond,
>> come
>>> one,
>>> come all to the Kansas Aviation Museum. 3350 S. George
>> Washington
>>> Blvd.
>>> Wichita Ks. this Sat eve. June 21, 7:30 pm and be regaled with
>> tales
>>> of
>>> high Pietenpol adventure. Signed Anonymous
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Had a killer week |
Hello good people!
I just wanted to share my last week with you I purchased an engine for my
Piet, its an 0235 I am really excited about it with little over 600 hrs SMOH,
hat a light strike so I'll pull the crank and send it out for inspection and
magna flux. I am looking at ECI in San Antonio for the inspection unless you
have suggestions for other shops for the inspection and certification.
On Sunday Fathers day I had my first EAA tech counselor visit and inspection
he comments included phrases like great looking project and great
workmanship. After working in a virtual vacuum for the past 18 months its nice
to hear.
Mad my day and I just had to share the news with you guys. I guess you need
someone to validate your work.
I got some great advice and am highly impressed with that program, anyone
willing to take time out on fathers day to look at a project, spend the time
and provide the guidance to me is just a great experience. If I had to find
any justification for rejoining the EAA that's was more than I could have ever
hoped for.
An I just needed to share that with the group, I had a killer week and I got
an engine for my Piet, who could ask for anything more?
John Recine
NX895BP reserved
BTW anyone got a line on a motor mount for the Lycoming 0235 engine or
suggestions on what stock mounts will couple up to the Piet? I am up for
suggestions oh yea its the low compression model so it should run pretty good on
mogas
from what I have read so far. I haven't been doing much gluing this summer
but I am getting things done and off the list
**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft gauges |
Ken,
for what its worth I been collecting mine on ebay so at the moment I have a
variety, still not sure which I am gonna use I do have 3 brand new whisky
compass NOS Chinese if you're interested in one? if not no biggie just letting
ya know is all.
I am not certain about the rest at the moment, do I want to be a minimalist
true to form or cheat and go high tech all in one Nav and Engine integrated
system probes and all for $2400.00 is attractive. I know if I did something
like that I will never hear the end of it but the economics and weight savings
are a tempting offset.
John
In a message dated 6/17/2008 2:58:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kmheidecpo@yahoo.com writes:
Fellow Pieters:
I am wondering what gauges most of you are using in your piet's if using a
corvair engine. Information such as: type of gauge, brand of gauge, tach
(pulse, coil, or teeth counter) etc..
I am ready to assemble my panel and wonder "which" gauges and brands (where
purchased). Don't need an F-14 cockpit but just curious what others are
using....
Village Idiot
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft gauges |
>I am wondering what gauges most of you are using in your piet's if
using a corvair engine.>
>Information such as: type of gauge, brand of gauge, tach (pulse,
coil, or teeth counter) etc.>.
Dear Village:
Word to the Wise department. Steer clear of e-Bay for your instruments
unless you have a vendor that gives a return guarantee. There are
wonderful deals to be found there but somebody wants to get rid of this
used piece of equipment for some reason and it isn't because he wants to
see you flying. I picked up a nice pressure altimeter for a very
reasonable price because it "just came out of a 172 in "working condition"
but just wasn't quite up to IFR standards." Wasn't up to VFR standards
either unless Mean Seal Level was jerking about that day. Long story -
short, the instrument shop said "junk it, not worth fixing." It's going
to be your derriere up there so bite the bullet and put in instruments
that you can trust!
Tom S in beautiful McPherson
(of course the plane is down at the moment)
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| Subject: | Re: Cross country in a Piet? |
Here's West Virginia from the Cub big adventure of last month. I flew
from the home of Jack Phillips in North Carolina, back to Hartford, WI
on May 9 and 10th. 700 nautical miles and 13.5 flying hours to make it
home. At this point in the adventure I was about 5000 ft with a
groundspeed of 29 mph. Also pictured is Jack Phillips with list member
Glenn "watch out for my flying wood" Thomas and a photo of the baggage
strapped in and ready to go. I will admit to being pretty apprehensive
about this flight but when I got going and out of the mountains and
weather it was great fun and a huge sense of accomplishment.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 17, 2008, at 1:18 PM, Greg Chapman wrote:
> >
>
> Man, you nailed it. My parents had 150cc and 80cc street bikes in
> the late
> 60's. They'd put my brother and I on the back and hit the
> Interstates. Now
> when you tell someone you're going to x-country on a 750 motorcycle
> they
> look at you like you're nuts. I look back at them like they're
> ignorant.
> Yep, I'm the one with the bad attitude. ;)
>
> If you think flying a cub x-country is impossible, unwise or
> improbable,
> take a read of
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Flight-Passage-Story-Rinker-Buck/dp/0786883154
>
> Greg Chapman
> http://www.mousetrax.com
> http://www.layer1wireless.com
>
> "Don't start with me or I'll
> replace you with a small and
> efficient script!"
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
>> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D
>> MAJ
>> NG NG FORSCOM
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:13 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cross country in a Piet?
>>
>> FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>>
>> I flew many hours (note not miles) X/C in a Cessna 150 and was often
>> told by those with bigger planes how a 150 simpy was not a good X/C
>> plane. A friend talked about people who flew the country over in
>> Piper
>> Cubs in the 40s and 50s. Now they are considered to be good for local
>> flights only.
>>
>> I had a little Yamaha 550 and was with a group of guys who all had
>> big
>> bikes. Several proceeded to inform me that the 550 was simply too
>> small
>> to tour on and that 750CC + was required. One of the old men laughed
>> and later showed us a photo of him on His Cushman Eagle Scooter
>> loaded
>> down with camping gear. He traveled all over on that Scooter and said
>> that it was all attitude. No one told them that they shouldn't do
>> it so
>> they did it.
>>
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D.
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Had a killer week |
Way to go, John. It makes it feel more like a project when you have the
engine sitting in your shop. Now you can seriously move forward with
such things as planning your weight & balance, your engine mount, how to
run the engine controls, all those little details that have been sort of
left up in the air.
My guess is you'll have to design your own engine mount for it. Any
existing mount for an O-235 will be designed to mount on a steel tube
fuselage like a Citabria 7ECA. I'm copying my brother on this email,
because he happens to have a Citabria 7ECA sitting in his shop getting
recovered and he might be able to take some pictures of its engine mount
and give you some dimensions from it. My recommendation would be to
copy as much of the Citabria mount as you can, but adapt the firewall
portion to be like the Pietenpol A-65 mount to pick up the longerons and
transfer the load. Design it so the thrust line is more or less aligned
with the plane of the top longerons and it should be fine. Since it is
nearly twice the power of the A-65, you might want to double up on the
bolts passing through the longerons, just to make sure you can transfer
all that power safely without shearing the wood.
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Had a killer week
Hello good people!
I just wanted to share my last week with you I purchased an engine for
my Piet, its an 0235 I am really excited about it with little over 600
hrs SMOH, hat a light strike so I'll pull the crank and send it out for
inspection and magna flux. I am looking at ECI in San Antonio for the
inspection unless you have suggestions for other shops for the
inspection and certification.
On Sunday Fathers day I had my first EAA tech counselor visit and
inspection he comments included phrases like great looking project and
great workmanship. After working in a virtual vacuum for the past 18
months its nice to hear. Mad my day and I just had to share the news
with you guys. I guess you need someone to validate your work.
I got some great advice and am highly impressed with that program,
anyone willing to take time out on fathers day to look at a project,
spend the time and provide the guidance to me is just a great
experience. If I had to find any justification for rejoining the EAA
that's was more than I could have ever hoped for.
An I just needed to share that with the group, I had a killer week and I
got an engine for my Piet, who could ask for anything more?
John Recine
NX895BP reserved
BTW anyone got a line on a motor mount for the Lycoming 0235 engine or
suggestions on what stock mounts will couple up to the Piet? I am up for
suggestions oh yea its the low compression model so it should run pretty
good on mogas from what I have read so far. I haven't been doing much
gluing this summer but I am getting things done and off the list
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Mine are the same as Jack's.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:17 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Axle
Mine are .188" wall
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
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Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:04 AM
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Axle
What size wall thickness are you guys with 1 1/2" straight axles
using?
Clif
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| Subject: | Had a killer week |
I, and lots of others have had very good success with Aircraft Specialties
Services in Tulsa. http://www.aircraft-specialties.com/ They have good
machining services and good prices on parts. Lots ov overhaul shops use
them.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
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Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:07 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Had a killer week
Hello good people!
, hat a light strike so I'll pull the crank and send it out for inspection
and magna flux. I am looking at ECI in San Antonio for the inspection unless
you have suggestions for other shops for the inspection and certification.
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft gauges |
Ken,
Stewart warner, 82636 Tachometer, 32646 sender (teeth counter)
Clarks / Westach, C 9307 oil pressure, C 9308 Oil temp, plus two CHT
gauges westach
ASC / Falcon, Altimeter, Airspeed.
ASC / Hobbs
ASC / Compass
Fuel gauge, home made
additional airspeed, home made (johnson type)
That's about it
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 1:54 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft gauges
Fellow Pieters:
I am wondering what gauges most of you are using in your piet's if
using a corvair engine. Information such as: type of gauge, brand of
gauge, tach (pulse, coil,or teeth counter) etc..
I am ready to assemble my panel and wonder "which" gauges and brands
(where purchased). Don't need an F-14 cockpit but just curious what
others are using....
Village Idiot
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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| Subject: | Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling |
eng(at)canadianrogers.com wrote:
> Mike,
> Yes, I was there, but I don't have a face.
> Just kidding.
> I'm not the greatest at introducing myself, so I don't think we actually met.
But after thinking about it I believe we might have sat together for a bit. I
see from the archives that you recently bought a Piet project from Colorado,
that has wings to be assembled, and I recall sitting in on a conversation with
Brian Kenney about wing construction details. Someone went to get a copy of the
plans. Was that you and your building partner? If so, I know what the two of
you look like (but not who is who). I've seen a few photos of your project (before
it was yours) and thought that it looked to be well built, and nicely done.
--
I'm no better at introductions - my wife will attest to that.
Yup, that was us, we're 50/50 co-owners. Luckily we're good buddies and misfits
of a similar ilk, so we'll get along fine. I'm the short one with receding hairline
and a noisy 2-stroke motorcycle, and Dan is the taller guy with lots of
hair and moustache, and nearly always smiling.
The construction is very, very well done on this project. The covering/paint, well,
good from far, but up close there are some issues. Completely secure and
functional, no problem. But we're likely stuck with stripping at least the tail
feathers anyhow for inspections (we're going the homebuilt route) so my plan
is to strip the fuse too. We want to do a bang up job on it - who doesn't of
course - and I think covering the whole affair, apart from being time-consuming
and smelly, will satisfy our need to feel like we were a significant part of
the construction process.
You know, regarding that other Piet - I am a total, utter bonehead. Seriously.
I was talking to Dan today (who also deserves the same rap) about my efforts to
track down the history of the aircraft, and he suddenly piped up said "hey wait,
I think I took a picture of the nameplate. Hmm, let's see.. yeah, here it
is.. ." and lo and behold, there was the builder's name and address. Doh! Man..
sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees. He may be long gone or still
gong strong, but anyhow that's where I'll be looking for info on that cowl!
Mike D.
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| Subject: | Re: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit |
Mike
You are so right about watching every constantly. I was parked on the
grass at a fly in last fall and found a heavy old guy using my elevator
as a back rest like it was a lawn chair.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the
cockpit
Great photos of you and your wife Jack and hats off to her for going
along with you to the weekend
event at the Udvar-Hazy National Air & Space Museum !
Letting kids sit in the cockpit is extremely gratifying when you see
them light up as you let them
move the controls and point out how the ailerons work like (as I like
to explain) how you lean your
bicycle over when you make turns. This Mennonite family at the
Indianapolis air show was just one
example. That one visit made my entire trip totally worthwhile.
Those kids were thrilled.
Mike C.
PS-- then again you have to watch out for the unruly brats who have
ignorant, hands-off parents who
try to climb up the side of your fuselage side kicking and grappling
for entry. I literally had to pull a kid
off of my plane one time as he was bashing the side stringer trying to
get his legs over the longeron
by the cockpit. The mother said 'oh Johnny, why don't you come over
here and we'll go get you some
ice cream. You takes the good with the bad at a flying event.
(just don't stray too far from your airplane
and remember to do a more than adequate pre flight.)
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| Subject: | Re: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit |
I can't wait for my turn to come to enjoy one of the unidentified joys of sharing
my project with the world.
We just passed our 35 wedding anniversary, time sure has a way of evaporating.
My wife dispises small aircraft she dislikes flying in any form unless it is a
necessary evil to a vacation destination. She has little regard for my Piet and
at times resents my discussing it with others who ask about the progress.
That being the case I doubt she will ever look at it let alone fly with me. The
entire topic has been the source of many unpleasent evenings.
I have resigned myself to the realization that the front pit will be reserved to
curious invitees capable of appreciating the experience and my travel gear.
I do intend to fly off into the sunset with my course set for a new and exciting
adventure at each new destination but never loosing sight of the rewards gained
through the journey.
John
NX895BP reserved
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From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
To:<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit
Mike
You are so right about watching every constantly. I was parked on the grass at
a fly in last fall and found a heavy old guy using my elevator as a back rest
like it was a lawn chair.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] <mailto:michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit
Great photos of you and your wife Jack and hats off to her for going along with
you to the weekend
event at the Udvar-Hazy National Air & Space Museum !
Letting kids sit in the cockpit is extremely gratifying when you see them light
up as you let them
move the controls and point out how the ailerons work like (as I like to explain)
how you lean your
bicycle over when you make turns. This Mennonite familyat the Indianapolis air
show was just one
example. That one visit made my entire trip totally worthwhile. Those kids were
thrilled.
Mike C.
PS-- then again you have to watch out for the unruly brats who have ignorant, hands-off
parents who
try to climb up the side of your fuselage side kicking and grappling for entry.
I literally had to pull a kid
off of my plane one time as he was bashing the side stringer trying to get his
legs over the longeron
by the cockpit. The mother said 'oh Johnny, why don't you come over here and we'll
go get you some
ice cream. You takes the good with the bad at a flying event. (just don't stray
too far from your airplane
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| Subject: | a little off topic |
Click on the link below.... 1920-30's movie
Movie shows a Steam car and then about half way into the movie a Steam
powered biplane (That flew), and at the end of the movie shows the steam
powered plane reversing it's prop to push the plane backwards...very unique
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA
Enjoy,
Pastor Mike in Iowa
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| Subject: | a little off topic |
Pretty cool. I did some searching and found this very interresting article.
http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.htm
Some of the interresting facts are:
180 pound engine at 150 HP (don't know if that includes the boiler,
condenser, etc.)
condensor reclaiming over 90% of the water from the used steam
400 mile range on only 10 gallons of water and more capable
no power loss and efficiency gains with increased altitude
One of the reasons for the plane at the time was the lower cost of fuel oil
compared to gas. Hmmm, is it time for steam power to come back? A Doble
steam engine in my truck running on low cost propane, coal, wood? A wood
burning steam engine in a Piet? Now that would get you some attention at
Oshkosh!
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pastor M
F Townsley
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
<miket@southslope.net>
Click on the link below.... 1920-30's movie
Movie shows a Steam car and then about half way into the movie a Steam
powered biplane (That flew), and at the end of the movie shows the steam
powered plane reversing it's prop to push the plane backwards...very unique
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA
Enjoy,
Pastor Mike in Iowa
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Thanks guys. For some reason getting it off
those yellow plastic milk carriers just seems
like such a big milestone right about now.
Probably not much is going to happen this
weekend though. The street behind my house
is a main business thoroughfare and big Greek
community. This weekend is "Greekday". The
street is cordened off for blocks, many barby's
going and smoking, noisy crowds, no parking,
etc, etc. Can't even get to Starbucks! A good
time to be somewhere else. :-)
Clif
Mine are the same as Jack's.
Dick N.
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