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1. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling (Bill Church)
2. 04:34 PM - Re: a little off topic (Gene Rambo)
3. 04:52 PM - Re: a little off topic (Jeff Boatright)
4. 08:33 PM - Re: a little off topic (Michael Conkling)
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| Subject: | Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling |
Mike,
I now know who is who. If I see either of you at a future aviation event
I'll introduce myself. Are you planning to attend Brodhead? If so, I'll see
you there. But I'll warn you, once you go, you'll keep going back, year
after year.
I would think that building a wing, installing an engine, building a cowling
and recovering and painting basically the entire plane should easily satisfy
your need to feel like you were a significant part of the construction
process.
And if Dan smiles a lot now, imagine how much he'll be smiling when you guys
get to take to the skies in your Piet.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: a little off topic |
what the Besler article does not say is that the airplane is a Travel
Air 2000. That engine isin the Smithsonian now.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Kraut<mailto:brian.kraut@engalt.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:28 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
<brian.kraut@engalt.com<mailto:brian.kraut@engalt.com>>
Pretty cool. I did some searching and found this very interresting
article.
http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.htm
<http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.ht
m>
Some of the interresting facts are:
180 pound engine at 150 HP (don't know if that includes the boiler,
condenser, etc.)
condensor reclaiming over 90% of the water from the used steam
400 mile range on only 10 gallons of water and more capable
no power loss and efficiency gains with increased altitude
One of the reasons for the plane at the time was the lower cost of
fuel oil
compared to gas. Hmmm, is it time for steam power to come back? A
Doble
steam engine in my truck running on low cost propane, coal, wood? A
wood
burning steam engine in a Piet? Now that would get you some attention
at
Oshkosh!
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com<http://www.engalt.com/>
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-ser
ver@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pastor
M
F Townsley
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:29 PM
To: Pietenpol Matronics Forum;
Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
<miket@southslope.net<mailto:miket@southslope.net>>
Click on the link below.... 1920-30's movie
Movie shows a Steam car and then about half way into the movie a Steam
powered biplane (That flew), and at the end of the movie shows the
steam
powered plane reversing it's prop to push the plane backwards...very
unique
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA<http://www.youtube.com/watch
?v=UPEv_M7p4fA>
Enjoy,
Pastor Mike in Iowa
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List<http://www.matronics.co
m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on>
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| Subject: | Re: a little off topic |
If I recall, if you read all the information that's out there, the
engine itself if fairly light, but the entire rig was something like
600 lbs. It's analogous to the liquid-cooled engines when the
salespeople don't include the weight of the coolant, radiator,
plumbing, etc. Will it fly without all that stuff? No? Then...
>what the Besler article does not say is that the airplane is a
>Travel Air 2000. That engine isin the Smithsonian now.
>
>Gene
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:brian.kraut@engalt.com>Brian Kraut
>To: <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:28 AM
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
>
><<mailto:brian.kraut@engalt.com>brian.kraut@engalt.com>
>
>Pretty cool. I did some searching and found this very interresting article.
>
><http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.htm>http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.htm
>
>Some of the interresting facts are:
>
>180 pound engine at 150 HP (don't know if that includes the boiler,
>condenser, etc.)
>condensor reclaiming over 90% of the water from the used steam
>400 mile range on only 10 gallons of water and more capable
>no power loss and efficiency gains with increased altitude
>
>One of the reasons for the plane at the time was the lower cost of fuel oil
>compared to gas. Hmmm, is it time for steam power to come back? A Doble
>steam engine in my truck running on low cost propane, coal, wood? A wood
>burning steam engine in a Piet? Now that would get you some attention at
>Oshkosh!
>
>
>Brian Kraut
>Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
><http://www.engalt.com>www.engalt.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:
><mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pastor M
>F Townsley
>Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:29 PM
>To: Pietenpol Matronics Forum;
><mailto:Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com>Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic
>
>
><<mailto:miket@southslope.net>miket@southslope.net>
>
>Click on the link below.... 1920-30's movie
>Movie shows a Steam car and then about half way into the movie a Steam
>powered biplane (That flew), and at the end of the movie shows the steam
>powered plane reversing it's prop to push the plane backwards...very unique
>
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA
>
>Enjoy,
>Pastor Mike in ========================http://www.matp; via the
>Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/
>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================
>
>
><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | Re: a little off topic |
When you guys go to the Kansas Aviation Museum, take some time to check out
the "engine room" at the museum -- they do have a flying steam engine on
display.
Say "hi" to Chuck for me -- I'm going to be in Manhattan, KS this weekend
(can you say "kids moving to a new teaching job"??! ;-)
Cheers!
Mike (the other ) C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
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