---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/18/08: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling (Bill Church) 2. 04:34 PM - Re: a little off topic (Gene Rambo) 3. 04:52 PM - Re: a little off topic (Jeff Boatright) 4. 08:33 PM - Re: a little off topic (Michael Conkling) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:30 AM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Randy Bruce's old Pietenpol---nice cowling Mike, I now know who is who. If I see either of you at a future aviation event I'll introduce myself. Are you planning to attend Brodhead? If so, I'll see you there. But I'll warn you, once you go, you'll keep going back, year after year. I would think that building a wing, installing an engine, building a cowling and recovering and painting basically the entire plane should easily satisfy your need to feel like you were a significant part of the construction process. And if Dan smiles a lot now, imagine how much he'll be smiling when you guys get to take to the skies in your Piet. Bill ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:46 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic what the Besler article does not say is that the airplane is a Travel Air 2000. That engine isin the Smithsonian now. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Kraut To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:28 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic > Pretty cool. I did some searching and found this very interresting article. http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.htm Some of the interresting facts are: 180 pound engine at 150 HP (don't know if that includes the boiler, condenser, etc.) condensor reclaiming over 90% of the water from the used steam 400 mile range on only 10 gallons of water and more capable no power loss and efficiency gains with increased altitude One of the reasons for the plane at the time was the lower cost of fuel oil compared to gas. Hmmm, is it time for steam power to come back? A Doble steam engine in my truck running on low cost propane, coal, wood? A wood burning steam engine in a Piet? Now that would get you some attention at Oshkosh! Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pastor M F Townsley Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:29 PM To: Pietenpol Matronics Forum; Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic > Click on the link below.... 1920-30's movie Movie shows a Steam car and then about half way into the movie a Steam powered biplane (That flew), and at the end of the movie shows the steam powered plane reversing it's prop to push the plane backwards...very unique http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA Enjoy, Pastor Mike in Iowa http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:49 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic If I recall, if you read all the information that's out there, the engine itself if fairly light, but the entire rig was something like 600 lbs. It's analogous to the liquid-cooled engines when the salespeople don't include the weight of the coolant, radiator, plumbing, etc. Will it fly without all that stuff? No? Then... >what the Besler article does not say is that the airplane is a >Travel Air 2000. That engine isin the Smithsonian now. > >Gene > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Brian Kraut >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:28 AM >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic > ><brian.kraut@engalt.com> > >Pretty cool. I did some searching and found this very interresting article. > >http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/TRANSPORT/steamplane/steamplane.htm > >Some of the interresting facts are: > >180 pound engine at 150 HP (don't know if that includes the boiler, >condenser, etc.) >condensor reclaiming over 90% of the water from the used steam >400 mile range on only 10 gallons of water and more capable >no power loss and efficiency gains with increased altitude > >One of the reasons for the plane at the time was the lower cost of fuel oil >compared to gas. Hmmm, is it time for steam power to come back? A Doble >steam engine in my truck running on low cost propane, coal, wood? A wood >burning steam engine in a Piet? Now that would get you some attention at >Oshkosh! > > >Brian Kraut >Engineering Alternatives, Inc. >www.engalt.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: >owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pastor M >F Townsley >Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:29 PM >To: Pietenpol Matronics Forum; >Flitzer-Builders@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic > > ><miket@southslope.net> > >Click on the link below.... 1920-30's movie >Movie shows a Steam car and then about half way into the movie a Steam >powered biplane (That flew), and at the end of the movie shows the steam >powered plane reversing it's prop to push the plane backwards...very unique > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPEv_M7p4fA > >Enjoy, >Pastor Mike in ========================http://www.matp; via the >Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ >href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution >href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================ > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:54 PM PST US From: "Michael Conkling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a little off topic When you guys go to the Kansas Aviation Museum, take some time to check out the "engine room" at the museum -- they do have a flying steam engine on display. Say "hi" to Chuck for me -- I'm going to be in Manhattan, KS this weekend (can you say "kids moving to a new teaching job"??! ;-) Cheers! Mike (the other ) C. 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