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1. 05:00 AM - Re: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
2. 08:30 AM - Spousal support (long) / was flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit (Jim Ash)
3. 11:15 AM - Couple cowling questions (Rick Holland)
4. 01:05 PM - Cowling Questions (Rick Holland)
5. 06:46 PM - Re: Couple cowling questions (airlion@bellsouth.net)
6. 06:53 PM - adding a baggage compartment (rubber314chicken)
7. 06:57 PM - Re: Spousal support (long) / was flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit (airlion@bellsouth.net)
8. 07:11 PM - Re: cremated remains(ashes) (H RULE)
9. 07:15 PM - Re: adding a baggage compartment (airlion@bellsouth.net)
10. 07:22 PM - Re: adding a baggage compartment (shad bell)
11. 07:25 PM - messageless emails are being sent out...SERVER problem?? (Pastor M F Townsley)
12. 07:43 PM - WACO Fly-In Wyncoop Airport Mt Vernon OH (shad bell)
13. 07:54 PM - Re: messageless emails are being sent out...SERVER problem?? (Dick Navratil)
14. 07:59 PM - Re: adding a baggage compartment (Dick Navratil)
15. 09:51 PM - Couple cowling questions (Rick Holland)
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| Subject: | Re: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit |
John, I read the post too, and wasn't sure I wanted to admit my wife is same
as yours. Only difference is I'm building a Mustang II. She shows no
interest in the project, and even though I tried to express to her the time and
money we had to contribute to build the plane, and she agreed to it, I find now
she's not OK with it. But what do you do when you're thousands of dollars into
something. Can't stop now, cause I'll never recoup the money I have in it if
I sell it in pieces. I'd be lucky if I sold a flying plane, never mind parts
of a plane!
But, maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel. We have three young
children, and my hope is that they will have an interest in flying. We'll
just leave mom at home and off to the beach we go!
Boyce
N920BS reserved
Mustang II
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| Subject: | Spousal support (long) / was flying spouse and letting |
kids sit in the cockpit
Nobody in either my extended family or my wife's extended family flies or has flown.
It's something I wanted to do, so I did it (against the very vocalized fears
of my parents at the time, by the way). Having family that understands it
helps.
I met my wife long after I was rated. She knew flying came as part of the package
and has never discouraged my flying (my mother, on the other hand, still thinks
I'm partially suicidal, even 20+ years later). The number of times she's
been in a plane with me I think I can count on one hand. She actually prefers
gliders over power planes, mostly because of the lack of noise. I've also give
rides to my father and my brother, but never my mother or sisters, at least yet.
My experience with the attitude of the non-flying (spouse, stranger or whoever)
towards flying is that it's all about familiarity. The media and the movies have
done boatloads of disservice to flying by playing on people's fears to make
a quick buck. I recall an accident (a crash, one plane, IIRC) at a non-controlled
field. The widely-circulated local paper wrote up a less than factual article,
including a totally irrelevant statement that there was no ATC at the field.
Several people came to me in shocked disbelief about how awful it was there
was no controller on site, which was an echo of the tone of the article. I
asked them how they managed to live while operating their cars at intersections
with only stop signs, then explained there are commonly-understood procedures
for uncontrolled fields, just like at those intersections. I've iterated similar
circumstances countless times with slightly varying themes, and the lights
usually go on after a reasonable explanation. I resent having to 'undo' the
ignorant fear these people have propagated, but I do it. On the other side of
the fence, rarely does anybody report or make movies about the emergency landings
and procedures that don't end in fire, death, or major property damage. Granted,
I've never reported the emergencies I've had, but even if it does get
reported, it just doesn't sell. Nobody cares that my carburetor had problems and
I made a dead-stick landing at an airport, fixed the problem, and flew out.
I hate to say it, but some pilots propagate this ignorance, too. They seem to like
the image the ignorant have of the pilot being some kind of mystic daredevil
(You're a ...... PILOT?!?, Wow!), and taking the mystique out of it might risk
them being reduced to mere mortal status. I prefer to think of myself as one
who's been priveleged with the resources to allow me to fly, has assessed the
risks versus the rewards, and made the commitment. I guess I don't see it as
a Wow! kinda thing, just something I enjoy doing while others are out maybe
boating or motorcycling.
People don't understand we've been trained to assess the risks and make decisions
in emergency situations, because they've rarely, if ever, done it for themselves.
I live near the top of a hill. My road comes to a T at the bottom, so in
the winter if the road is icy, there's a chance of not being able to stop and
going into oncoming traffic. I've told my wife I'd rather she controllably put
the car in the ditch (or bounce off the snow-bank) on the right side, rather
than getting t-boned on the highway (I had to do it for the first time once
last winter). This has given her a better concept of situational awareness than
she had before. I wish they required this kind of stuff to get a driver's license,
but that wouldn't fly with the politicians.
My wife used to be a white-knuckle passenger. When I met her, she had been on a
total of two commercial flights (one trip), and never in a small plane. I'd flown
for several years at that point, and had probably averaged anywhere from
2 to maybe 12 commercial trips a year for either business or pleasure. Now she
averages a couple commercial trips a year and has learned to sleep on them. Same
thing with her sister (who's first commercial flight was a couple days before
9/11, and ended up driving home when the airspace was shut down and a mess).
She's on a plane for a trip from NY to Yellowstone as I write. And she sleeps
on the plane now. The ignorance and fear are gone.
My wife will never be one to learn to fly herself, but her understanding of it
makes it easier for her to be supportive, and allows her to participate in it
with me with minimal stress.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
>Sent: Jun 21, 2008 7:57 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit
>
>John, I read the post too, and wasn't sure I wanted to admit my wife is same
>as yours. Only difference is I'm building a Mustang II. She shows no
>interest in the project, and even though I tried to express to her the time and
>money we had to contribute to build the plane, and she agreed to it, I find now
>she's not OK with it. But what do you do when you're thousands of dollars into
>something. Can't stop now, cause I'll never recoup the money I have in it if
>I sell it in pieces. I'd be lucky if I sold a flying plane, never mind parts
>of a plane!
> But, maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel. We have three young
>children, and my hope is that they will have an interest in flying. We'll
>just leave mom at home and off to the beach we go!
>Boyce
>N920BS reserved
>Mustang II
>
>
>**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
>fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
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| Subject: | Couple cowling questions |
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| Subject: | Cowling Questions |
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| Subject: | Re: Couple cowling questions |
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| Subject: | adding a baggage compartment |
I want to add a baggage compartment to the pietenpol. I was thinking of positing
it behind the pilot's seat (door accessible from the outside), but that might
throw the CG off too much, right? How far back would the CG move with 60 lbs
directly behind the pilot?
The second idea I got was to use wing tanks, and make the location for baggage
the area behind the engine where a fuel tank would usually be, but I'm kind of
weary of using wing tanks because with the lack of height there could be fuel
starvation problems (correct me if I'm wrong) and I'd also have to put a fuel
gauge on the panel because I couldn't do a J-3 style gauge.
The other idea was to partition some of the area on the floor of the two cabins
with some plywood to hold stuff so that I can have access to stuff (maps and
charts) in flight and then the stuff can be stored in there as well for the baggage,
but that would have to be pretty restricted to all full control and foot
movement (and comfort)
I could do a combination of the three, so that the weights could be balanced out
a bit to avoid movement of the CG. Ideas? comments?
that's forward, aft, and in cabin storage, so I think that is all there could be
right? I don't want to do wing because of the restrictions on height (how thick
is the wing anyways?)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188985#188985
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| Subject: | Re: Spousal support (long) / was flying spouse and letting |
kids sit in the cockpit
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| Subject: | Re: cremated remains(ashes) |
My comment was from a Star Trek eposode where the alien descibed humans as"
bags of mostly water".Sorry guys I just couldn't help my self.Now get back
to making-the saw dust!=0Ado not archive.=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message
----=0AFrom: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.
com=0ASent: Friday, June 20, 2008 7:23:03 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List:
cremated remains(ashes)=0A=0A=0AI do not know where that poster got his in
formation, but it is incorrect.- That is NOT what/how the ashes are handl
ed, nor is it what they look like.- I had thought that it was common know
ledge by now that ashes will come back into a window.- I have done dozens
of drops, we-built a piece of 3" PVC that we clamp to a gear leg with a
rubber stopper in the end.- Pull the stopper and it is dumped without wea
ring it.- It is pretty disgusting stuff, but not white and powdery.=0A-
=0AGene=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: H RULE =0ATo: pietenpol-lis
t@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, June 20, 2008 4:32 PM=0ASubject: Re: Piete
npol-List: cremated remains(ashes)=0A=0ABags of mostly water!=0Ado not arch
ive=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "TGSTONE236@aol.com" <TG
STONE236@aol.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, June 2
0, 2008 12:00:20 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: cremated remains(ashes)=0A
=0AFor those of you who don't know, there are no ashes left when a crematio
n has taken place. when the gas furnace is opened only bones are left. The
bones are put into a machine looking like a blender and ground to a fine po
wder.That is what you call the ashes. You will be surprised at the weight o
f the bones in a urn if you think you are picking up ashes.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_
_______________________________=0AGas prices getting you down? Search AOL A
utos for fuel-efficient used cars.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Atitle=http://www.matr
onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigat
or?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahref
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| Subject: | Re: adding a baggage compartment |
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| Subject: | Re: adding a baggage compartment |
NX92GB has a storage area directly aft of the firewall where the tank is on others.
The fuel tank is in the center section of the wing and is 13 gallons with
a stearman type fuel gauge. 92GB also has a hat box in the turtle deck behind
the pilot seat. Fuel is no problem and the storage area in the nose is pretty
big, especcialy if you are using Cont. 65. We have a corvair on ours and
the battery and coils are in the storage area and we still have plenty of room.
Shad
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| Subject: | messageless emails are being sent out...SERVER problem?? |
For some reason, I am getting emails that don't have any message in
them...are you?
Pastor Mike in Iowa
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| Subject: | WACO Fly-In Wyncoop Airport Mt Vernon OH |
Hey guys anyone going to the waco fly-in next weekend? I'll be there on sat, maybe
friday too. If anyone is going let me know I will meet up with you, it's
only 10 min from my house, so I don't have to fly too far. They have some of
the cheapest 100LL around. I paid 4.69?gal last weekend, (sad that that is cheap).
Hope to see you there.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: messageless emails are being sent out...SERVER problem?? |
Yes, I am getting a good amount of those also.
Maybe those guys are just thinking and not typing.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pastor M F Townsley" <miket@southslope.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: messageless emails are being sent out...SERVER
problem??
> <miket@southslope.net>
>
> For some reason, I am getting emails that don't have any message in
> them...are you?
> Pastor Mike in Iowa
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: adding a baggage compartment |
How much are you planning on carrying?I fit a tent, sleeping bag, and duffle
in the front cockpit. Look around at Brodhead, you will find lots of ideas
on the flight line.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "rubber314chicken" <rubber314chicken@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 8:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: adding a baggage compartment
> <rubber314chicken@gmail.com>
>
> I want to add a baggage compartment to the pietenpol. I was thinking of
> positing it behind the pilot's seat (door accessible from the outside),
> but that might throw the CG off too much, right? How far back would the CG
> move with 60 lbs directly behind the pilot?
>
> The second idea I got was to use wing tanks, and make the location for
> baggage the area behind the engine where a fuel tank would usually be, but
> I'm kind of weary of using wing tanks because with the lack of height
> there could be fuel starvation problems (correct me if I'm wrong) and I'd
> also have to put a fuel gauge on the panel because I couldn't do a J-3
> style gauge.
>
> The other idea was to partition some of the area on the floor of the two
> cabins with some plywood to hold stuff so that I can have access to stuff
> (maps and charts) in flight and then the stuff can be stored in there as
> well for the baggage, but that would have to be pretty restricted to all
> full control and foot movement (and comfort)
>
> I could do a combination of the three, so that the weights could be
> balanced out a bit to avoid movement of the CG. Ideas? comments?
>
> that's forward, aft, and in cabin storage, so I think that is all there
> could be right? I don't want to do wing because of the restrictions on
> height (how thick is the wing anyways?)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188985#188985
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Couple cowling questions |
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