---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/21/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:00 AM - Re: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com) 2. 08:30 AM - Spousal support (long) / was flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit (Jim Ash) 3. 11:15 AM - Couple cowling questions (Rick Holland) 4. 01:05 PM - Cowling Questions (Rick Holland) 5. 06:46 PM - Re: Couple cowling questions (airlion@bellsouth.net) 6. 06:53 PM - adding a baggage compartment (rubber314chicken) 7. 06:57 PM - Re: Spousal support (long) / was flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit (airlion@bellsouth.net) 8. 07:11 PM - Re: cremated remains(ashes) (H RULE) 9. 07:15 PM - Re: adding a baggage compartment (airlion@bellsouth.net) 10. 07:22 PM - Re: adding a baggage compartment (shad bell) 11. 07:25 PM - messageless emails are being sent out...SERVER problem?? (Pastor M F Townsley) 12. 07:43 PM - WACO Fly-In Wyncoop Airport Mt Vernon OH (shad bell) 13. 07:54 PM - Re: messageless emails are being sent out...SERVER problem?? (Dick Navratil) 14. 07:59 PM - Re: adding a baggage compartment (Dick Navratil) 15. 09:51 PM - Couple cowling questions (Rick Holland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:18 AM PST US From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit John, I read the post too, and wasn't sure I wanted to admit my wife is same as yours. Only difference is I'm building a Mustang II. She shows no interest in the project, and even though I tried to express to her the time and money we had to contribute to build the plane, and she agreed to it, I find now she's not OK with it. But what do you do when you're thousands of dollars into something. Can't stop now, cause I'll never recoup the money I have in it if I sell it in pieces. I'd be lucky if I sold a flying plane, never mind parts of a plane! But, maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel. We have three young children, and my hope is that they will have an interest in flying. We'll just leave mom at home and off to the beach we go! Boyce N920BS reserved Mustang II **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:07 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spousal support (long) / was flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit Nobody in either my extended family or my wife's extended family flies or has flown. It's something I wanted to do, so I did it (against the very vocalized fears of my parents at the time, by the way). Having family that understands it helps. I met my wife long after I was rated. She knew flying came as part of the package and has never discouraged my flying (my mother, on the other hand, still thinks I'm partially suicidal, even 20+ years later). The number of times she's been in a plane with me I think I can count on one hand. She actually prefers gliders over power planes, mostly because of the lack of noise. I've also give rides to my father and my brother, but never my mother or sisters, at least yet. My experience with the attitude of the non-flying (spouse, stranger or whoever) towards flying is that it's all about familiarity. The media and the movies have done boatloads of disservice to flying by playing on people's fears to make a quick buck. I recall an accident (a crash, one plane, IIRC) at a non-controlled field. The widely-circulated local paper wrote up a less than factual article, including a totally irrelevant statement that there was no ATC at the field. Several people came to me in shocked disbelief about how awful it was there was no controller on site, which was an echo of the tone of the article. I asked them how they managed to live while operating their cars at intersections with only stop signs, then explained there are commonly-understood procedures for uncontrolled fields, just like at those intersections. I've iterated similar circumstances countless times with slightly varying themes, and the lights usually go on after a reasonable explanation. I resent having to 'undo' the ignorant fear these people have propagated, but I do it. On the other side of the fence, rarely does anybody report or make movies about the emergency landings and procedures that don't end in fire, death, or major property damage. Granted, I've never reported the emergencies I've had, but even if it does get reported, it just doesn't sell. Nobody cares that my carburetor had problems and I made a dead-stick landing at an airport, fixed the problem, and flew out. I hate to say it, but some pilots propagate this ignorance, too. They seem to like the image the ignorant have of the pilot being some kind of mystic daredevil (You're a ...... PILOT?!?, Wow!), and taking the mystique out of it might risk them being reduced to mere mortal status. I prefer to think of myself as one who's been priveleged with the resources to allow me to fly, has assessed the risks versus the rewards, and made the commitment. I guess I don't see it as a Wow! kinda thing, just something I enjoy doing while others are out maybe boating or motorcycling. People don't understand we've been trained to assess the risks and make decisions in emergency situations, because they've rarely, if ever, done it for themselves. I live near the top of a hill. My road comes to a T at the bottom, so in the winter if the road is icy, there's a chance of not being able to stop and going into oncoming traffic. I've told my wife I'd rather she controllably put the car in the ditch (or bounce off the snow-bank) on the right side, rather than getting t-boned on the highway (I had to do it for the first time once last winter). This has given her a better concept of situational awareness than she had before. I wish they required this kind of stuff to get a driver's license, but that wouldn't fly with the politicians. My wife used to be a white-knuckle passenger. When I met her, she had been on a total of two commercial flights (one trip), and never in a small plane. I'd flown for several years at that point, and had probably averaged anywhere from 2 to maybe 12 commercial trips a year for either business or pleasure. Now she averages a couple commercial trips a year and has learned to sleep on them. Same thing with her sister (who's first commercial flight was a couple days before 9/11, and ended up driving home when the airspace was shut down and a mess). She's on a plane for a trip from NY to Yellowstone as I write. And she sleeps on the plane now. The ignorance and fear are gone. My wife will never be one to learn to fly herself, but her understanding of it makes it easier for her to be supportive, and allows her to participate in it with me with minimal stress. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com >Sent: Jun 21, 2008 7:57 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit > >John, I read the post too, and wasn't sure I wanted to admit my wife is same >as yours. Only difference is I'm building a Mustang II. She shows no >interest in the project, and even though I tried to express to her the time and >money we had to contribute to build the plane, and she agreed to it, I find now >she's not OK with it. But what do you do when you're thousands of dollars into >something. Can't stop now, cause I'll never recoup the money I have in it if >I sell it in pieces. I'd be lucky if I sold a flying plane, never mind parts >of a plane! > But, maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel. We have three young >children, and my hope is that they will have an interest in flying. We'll >just leave mom at home and off to the beach we go! >Boyce >N920BS reserved >Mustang II > > >**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for >fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:33 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Couple cowling questions ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:12 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cowling Questions ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:57 PM PST US From: airlion@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Couple cowling questions ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: adding a baggage compartment From: "rubber314chicken" I want to add a baggage compartment to the pietenpol. I was thinking of positing it behind the pilot's seat (door accessible from the outside), but that might throw the CG off too much, right? How far back would the CG move with 60 lbs directly behind the pilot? The second idea I got was to use wing tanks, and make the location for baggage the area behind the engine where a fuel tank would usually be, but I'm kind of weary of using wing tanks because with the lack of height there could be fuel starvation problems (correct me if I'm wrong) and I'd also have to put a fuel gauge on the panel because I couldn't do a J-3 style gauge. The other idea was to partition some of the area on the floor of the two cabins with some plywood to hold stuff so that I can have access to stuff (maps and charts) in flight and then the stuff can be stored in there as well for the baggage, but that would have to be pretty restricted to all full control and foot movement (and comfort) I could do a combination of the three, so that the weights could be balanced out a bit to avoid movement of the CG. Ideas? comments? that's forward, aft, and in cabin storage, so I think that is all there could be right? I don't want to do wing because of the restrictions on height (how thick is the wing anyways?) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188985#188985 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:23 PM PST US From: airlion@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spousal support (long) / was flying spouse and letting kids sit in the cockpit ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:01 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cremated remains(ashes) My comment was from a Star Trek eposode where the alien descibed humans as" bags of mostly water".Sorry guys I just couldn't help my self.Now get back to making-the saw dust!=0Ado not archive.=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Gene Rambo =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics. com=0ASent: Friday, June 20, 2008 7:23:03 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cremated remains(ashes)=0A=0A=0AI do not know where that poster got his in formation, but it is incorrect.- That is NOT what/how the ashes are handl ed, nor is it what they look like.- I had thought that it was common know ledge by now that ashes will come back into a window.- I have done dozens of drops, we-built a piece of 3" PVC that we clamp to a gear leg with a rubber stopper in the end.- Pull the stopper and it is dumped without wea ring it.- It is pretty disgusting stuff, but not white and powdery.=0A- =0AGene=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: H RULE =0ATo: pietenpol-lis t@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, June 20, 2008 4:32 PM=0ASubject: Re: Piete npol-List: cremated remains(ashes)=0A=0ABags of mostly water!=0Ado not arch ive=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "TGSTONE236@aol.com" =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, June 2 0, 2008 12:00:20 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: cremated remains(ashes)=0A =0AFor those of you who don't know, there are no ashes left when a crematio n has taken place. when the gas furnace is opened only bones are left. The bones are put into a machine looking like a blender and ground to a fine po wder.That is what you call the ashes. You will be surprised at the weight o f the bones in a urn if you think you are picking up ashes.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_ _______________________________=0AGas prices getting you down? Search AOL A utos for fuel-efficient used cars.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Atitle=http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahref ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http ==== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:03 PM PST US From: airlion@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: adding a baggage compartment ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:14 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: adding a baggage compartment NX92GB has a storage area directly aft of the firewall where the tank is on others. The fuel tank is in the center section of the wing and is 13 gallons with a stearman type fuel gauge. 92GB also has a hat box in the turtle deck behind the pilot seat. Fuel is no problem and the storage area in the nose is pretty big, especcialy if you are using Cont. 65. We have a corvair on ours and the battery and coils are in the storage area and we still have plenty of room. Shad ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:51 PM PST US From: Pastor M F Townsley Subject: Pietenpol-List: messageless emails are being sent out...SERVER problem?? For some reason, I am getting emails that don't have any message in them...are you? Pastor Mike in Iowa ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:44 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: WACO Fly-In Wyncoop Airport Mt Vernon OH Hey guys anyone going to the waco fly-in next weekend? I'll be there on sat, maybe friday too. If anyone is going let me know I will meet up with you, it's only 10 min from my house, so I don't have to fly too far. They have some of the cheapest 100LL around. I paid 4.69?gal last weekend, (sad that that is cheap). Hope to see you there. Shad ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:08 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: messageless emails are being sent out...SERVER problem?? Yes, I am getting a good amount of those also. Maybe those guys are just thinking and not typing. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pastor M F Townsley" Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: messageless emails are being sent out...SERVER problem?? > > > For some reason, I am getting emails that don't have any message in > them...are you? > Pastor Mike in Iowa > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:41 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: adding a baggage compartment How much are you planning on carrying?I fit a tent, sleeping bag, and duffle in the front cockpit. Look around at Brodhead, you will find lots of ideas on the flight line. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "rubber314chicken" Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 8:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: adding a baggage compartment > > > I want to add a baggage compartment to the pietenpol. I was thinking of > positing it behind the pilot's seat (door accessible from the outside), > but that might throw the CG off too much, right? How far back would the CG > move with 60 lbs directly behind the pilot? > > The second idea I got was to use wing tanks, and make the location for > baggage the area behind the engine where a fuel tank would usually be, but > I'm kind of weary of using wing tanks because with the lack of height > there could be fuel starvation problems (correct me if I'm wrong) and I'd > also have to put a fuel gauge on the panel because I couldn't do a J-3 > style gauge. > > The other idea was to partition some of the area on the floor of the two > cabins with some plywood to hold stuff so that I can have access to stuff > (maps and charts) in flight and then the stuff can be stored in there as > well for the baggage, but that would have to be pretty restricted to all > full control and foot movement (and comfort) > > I could do a combination of the three, so that the weights could be > balanced out a bit to avoid movement of the CG. Ideas? comments? > > that's forward, aft, and in cabin storage, so I think that is all there > could be right? I don't want to do wing because of the restrictions on > height (how thick is the wing anyways?) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188985#188985 > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:41 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Couple cowling questions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.