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1. 12:15 AM - Re: Re: adding a baggage compartment (Clif Dawson)
2. 04:47 AM - Stanley Surform planers----a lifesaver when rounding edges (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
3. 05:06 AM - kitty litter (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
4. 05:07 AM - Re: Stanley Surform planers----a lifesaver when rounding edges (Peter W Johnson)
5. 05:19 AM - Re: Stanley Surform planers----a lifesaver when rounding edges (Glenn Thomas)
6. 05:35 AM - Re: kitty litter (Rick Holland)
7. 05:36 AM - raspy metal plane (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
8. 05:43 AM - center section baggage---I removed the center ribs (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
9. 05:53 AM - True dat! (Jeff Boatright)
10. 06:02 AM - Re: Re: adding a baggage compartment (Phillips, Jack)
11. 06:03 AM - Cross Country in a Piet (Oscar Zuniga)
12. 06:09 AM - (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
13. 06:13 AM - Re: kitty litter (Bill Church)
14. 06:14 AM - The Great Waldo Pepper (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
15. 06:17 AM - correction---tailbrace cables are 3/32" cable (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
16. 06:22 AM - Re: (Jeff Boatright)
17. 06:22 AM - created (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
18. 06:24 AM - Re: correction---tailbrace cables are 3/32" cable (HelsperSew@aol.com)
19. 06:26 AM - Randy Bruce (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
20. 06:28 AM - Re: Stab stringers (was Stanley Surform planers) (Bill Church)
21. 06:36 AM - Re: correction---tailbrace cables are 3/32" cable (Bill Church)
22. 06:42 AM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
23. 06:49 AM - Re: correction---tailbrace cables are 3/32" cable (HelsperSew@aol.com)
24. 06:53 AM - Re: Stab stringers (was Stanley Surform planers) (Glenn Thomas)
25. 06:53 AM - Re: Cross Country in a Piet (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
26. 07:14 AM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper (John Hofmann)
27. 07:15 AM - Re: Re: Stab stringers (was Stanley Surform planers) (Gary Boothe)
28. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Stab stringers (was Stanley Surform planers) (Phillips, Jack)
29. 07:31 AM - Re: correction---tailbrace cables are 3/32" cable (Bill Church)
30. 07:34 AM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
31. 07:46 AM - Re: adding a baggage compartment (rubber314chicken)
32. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: Stab stringers (was Stanley Surform planers) (Bill Church)
33. 07:55 AM - Re: adding a baggage compartment (rubber314chicken)
34. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Stab stringers (was Stanley Surform planers) (Phillips, Jack)
35. 08:00 AM - Re: Re: adding a baggage compartment (Phillips, Jack)
36. 08:00 AM - Jack's photo of blocks in the horiz. tail (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
37. 08:04 AM - Size of longerons and tailbrace wires (HelsperSew@aol.com)
38. 08:05 AM - Re: adding a baggage compartment (rubber314chicken)
39. 08:14 AM - Re: Stab stringers (was Stanley Surform planers) (Glenn Thomas)
40. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: adding a baggage compartment (Jeff Boatright)
41. 08:20 AM - When the fat lady sings (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
42. 08:21 AM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper (wayne@taildraggersinc.com)
43. 08:22 AM - Re: R/C Pietenpol Kit for trade! (wayne@taildraggersinc.com)
44. 09:40 AM - Re: R/C Pietenpol Kit for trade! (Brian Kraut)
45. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Stanley Surform planers----a lifesaver when rounding edges (Joe Krzes)
46. 09:56 AM - Re: R/C Pietenpol Kit for trade! (rubber314chicken)
47. 09:56 AM - Need engine info (Robert Butsch)
48. 10:11 AM - Re: Need engine info (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
49. 10:20 AM - Re: Need engine info (John Hofmann)
50. 10:50 AM - Re: adding a baggage compartment (RBush96589@aol.com)
51. 10:53 AM - WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY? (outofthebox50@yahoo.com)
52. 11:04 AM - WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
53. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: adding a baggage compartment (Phillips, Jack)
54. 11:13 AM - Re: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY? (Phillips, Jack)
55. 11:13 AM - Re: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY? (airlion@bellsouth.net)
56. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: adding a baggage compartment (airlion@bellsouth.net)
57. 11:23 AM - Re: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY? (Robert Gow)
58. 11:23 AM - Re: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY? (Phillips, Jack)
59. 11:24 AM - Re: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY? (Dave Abramson)
60. 11:36 AM - Re: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY? (airlion@bellsouth.net)
61. 11:41 AM - Re: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY? (TOM STINEMETZE)
62. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY? (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
63. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: adding a baggage compartment (airlion@bellsouth.net)
64. 11:53 AM - Re: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY? (airlion@bellsouth.net)
65. 11:55 AM - Re: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY? (airlion@bellsouth.net)
66. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: adding a baggage compartment (John Hofmann)
67. 11:58 AM - Re: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY? (John Hofmann)
68. 12:00 PM - Re: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY? (John Hofmann)
69. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: adding a baggage compartment (John Hofmann)
70. 12:02 PM - Re: Size of longerons and tailbrace wires (Bill Church)
71. 12:04 PM - blank (airlion@bellsouth.net)
72. 12:06 PM - Re: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY? (TOM STINEMETZE)
73. 12:22 PM - Re: blank (outofthebox50@yahoo.com)
74. 12:23 PM - Re: adding a baggage compartment (rubber314chicken)
75. 12:49 PM - Re: blank (Brian Kraut)
76. 12:52 PM - Re: Stanley Surform planers----a lifesaver when rounding edges (Glenn Thomas)
77. 02:17 PM - flying to brodhead (RBush96589@aol.com)
78. 02:49 PM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper (Don Emch)
79. 05:06 PM - Re: flying to brodhead (airlion@bellsouth.net)
80. 05:25 PM - Re: flying to brodhead (John Hofmann)
81. 06:56 PM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper (Darrel Jones)
82. 07:04 PM - Re: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY? (Darrel Jones)
83. 08:05 PM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper (John Hofmann)
84. 08:35 PM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper (John Hofmann)
85. 09:30 PM - Re: Cross Country in a Piet (Clif Dawson)
86. 11:35 PM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: adding a baggage compartment |
50lb??!! Spruce is officialy listed at 31 lb/cubic foot.
Western Hemlock-29, Douglas Fir-34. Those are
three of a fairly long list of useable woods.
Clif
> <rubber314chicken@gmail.com>
>
>(such as spruce being 50lbs/ft^3 and so forth) >
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| Subject: | Stanley Surform planers----a lifesaver when rounding edges |
In the spirit of the late homebuilt technical writer Antonio Bingelis
I'd like to pass along a very useful and
inexpensive tool that helped me countless time during building.
http://www.amazon.com/Stanley-21-296-Surform-Plane-Regular/dp/B00002X1ZL
I only had (still have) the Pocket Plane (scroll down just a bit on the
Amazon page) and it helped me round
my tailfeather leading edge surfaces (so you don't have that square
look..unless you prefer that), the fuselage
fairings, the wood landing gear legs---you name it. This is a fantastic
tool that lasts forever and you'll save a
zillion bucks (okay, maybe just $30 to 80) on coarse sandpaper. These
things don't gouge like regular planes
and they make very cool curlie-cue strips for your daughters hamster
cage. An awesome tool that can't
be beat for the price and worth in building a Pietenpol !
Mike C.
Stanley Stockholder (this part isn't true)
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Despite my desire to not post on this subject, I find my self control
lacking at the moment. I've dropped created
remains and they look most like kitty litter, of course I don't have the
expert credentials that some on the list might.
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| Subject: | Stanley Surform planers----a lifesaver when rounding |
edges
Mike,
I used one of them and a Stanley rip saw to make my first (and presently,
only) prop.
Don't leave home without one.
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com <http://www.cpc-world.com/> (with a couple of new
pictures and video!)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
Sent: Monday, 23 June 2008 9:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stanley Surform planers----a lifesaver when
rounding edges
In the spirit of the late homebuilt technical writer Antonio Bingelis I'd
like to pass along a very useful and
inexpensive tool that helped me countless time during building.
<http://www.amazon.com/Stanley-21-296-Surform-Plane-Regular/dp/B00002X1ZL>
http://www.amazon.com/Stanley-21-296-Surform-Plane-Regular/dp/B00002X1ZL
I only had (still have) the Pocket Plane (scroll down just a bit on the
Amazon page) and it helped me round
my tailfeather leading edge surfaces (so you don't have that square
look..unless you prefer that), the fuselage
fairings, the wood landing gear legs---you name it. This is a fantastic
tool that lasts forever and you'll save a
zillion bucks (okay, maybe just $30 to 80) on coarse sandpaper. These
things don't gouge like regular planes
and they make very cool curlie-cue strips for your daughters hamster cage.
An awesome tool that can't
be beat for the price and worth in building a Pietenpol !
Mike C.
Stanley Stockholder (this part isn't true)
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| Subject: | Re: Stanley Surform planers----a lifesaver when rounding |
edges
I have a little pocket plane and will be using that after seeing how hard it is
to control a router cut. Were you referring to the raspy looking fella (Surform
Plane - Regular) as well? You're right. It's cheap.
Also, on the topic of stabilizer construction, I am worried that if I put the stringers
in on one side (to guarantee that it stays good'n flat) the slight bend
at the LE will cause a warp and when I flip it, and the aggregate pull by all
of those (8 on one side) stringers will be difficult to combat. But if I glue
them in as a top and bottom pair out of the jig, I won't be able to guarantee
the flatness. Ideas? Am I being a worrywort again? It is perfectly true
out of the jig so it might not be an issue to go with the second idea.
Thanks
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
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| Subject: | Re: kitty litter |
Yep, the confirmation we have all been waiting for, on Modern Marvels on
History channel last night "Corpse Tech", confirms that cremated remains are
just crushed bone. They even showed the bone crusher in action (kind of like
a big coffee grinder).
My last post on the subject too.
Rick
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] <
michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Despite my desire to not post on this subject, I find my self control
> lacking at the moment. I've dropped created
> remains and they look most like kitty litter, of course I don't have the
> expert credentials that some on the list might.
>
>
> *
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>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | raspy metal plane |
That's it Glenn, the raspy looking ones. They come in curved shapes,
flat, longer, shorter--you name it.
Work great for contouring or evening up glue joints then you can
transition to grades of sandpaper to suite
your finish desires.
Regarding staying true you'll be amazed at how flexible the horizontal
stabilizer is sitting on the bench
BUT.....when you attach the cables to it on the fuselage and true it up
then with your turnbuckles you'll
be amazed at how strong it will become. (still you don't want to use
it to pickup the tail and move
the plane around, least I don't) Wings are the same way. They are SO
flexible when completed you
wondered why you were so particular about building it flat and keeping
everything level (still smart tho).
Mike C.
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| Subject: | center section baggage---I removed the center ribs |
To open up your space in there even more, omit the center ribs.
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Mike,
Speaking of truing things up, what is your preferred method of truing
the tail members? In the past, we've just done it by eye. We level
the fuselage by putting the tailwheel on a stool, and then eyeball
the plane from aft, turning turnbuckles until the vertical stab was
vertical and the horizontal planes horizontal. I don't see any reason
to change that, but I'm always curious to see how others do things.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: adding a baggage compartment |
If you can load 450 lbs into a Pietenpol and still get 85 to 100 mph out
of it, you are some kind of magician! The only time I've seen 85 mph on
my airspeed indicator, the forward view was very green (trees, grass etc
- no sky in sight).
Sounds like you have some fairly unrealistic expectations for the
Pietenpol. Pietenpols are wonderful airplanes, but they are not fast,
they don't have much baggage space, they are not particularly
comfortable, and they are not particularly economical to fly ON A TRIP.
If I am going out to bore holes in the sky, I fly the Pietenpol because
it only burns 4-1/2 gallons an hour. If I'm going on a trip and want to
save money on gas, I fly my RV-4 because it only burns 8 gallons an hour
and goes 180 miles in that hour, where the Pietenpol would have only
covered 65 or so.
It would be cheaper, easier and more comfortable to fly the RV-4 (4
hours flying time each way) to Brodhead next month, but I will fly the
Pietenpol (16 hours each way, wx permitting) because it is more fun.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rubber314chicken
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 2:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding a baggage compartment
<rubber314chicken@gmail.com>
then what plane would you recommend that meets LSA, is all wood, cruises
it at about 85-100 mph (more would be good, but I really just want 85+),
can be built in a garage (unfortunately, that eliminates the jodel
designs because of the one piece wing), and is economical to build and
fly.
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| Subject: | Cross Country in a Piet |
Poth? Poth! That's just outside of San Antonio and not too goshawful far from
Cannon Field, home of the Liaison Pilots Association.
I've never seen "The Great Waldo Pepper" but I guess I should rent it one of these
days...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Some will cringe Jeff but I measure the distance to the hangar floor
from
the bottom LE and TE of my horizontal stabilizer and adjust the
turnbuckles
until the measurements agree from side to side and the tension on the
(in my
case 1/8" diam) cables feels about right.
Mike C.
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Mike,
You've dropped "created remains" and they look most like kitty litter?
Maybe these remains were "created" by a cat.
Or did you just forget the "m" in cremated.
Oh, that makes more sense.
Never mind...
do not archive
BC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: kitty litter
Despite my desire to not post on this subject, I find my self control
lacking at the moment. I've dropped created
remains and they look most like kitty litter, of course I don't have the
expert credentials that some on the list might.
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| Subject: | The Great Waldo Pepper |
Oscar,
I read with utter amazement and disillusionment that you admitted to
having never
seen The Great Waldo Pepper ? Your life will not be complete until you
see that.
You can find cheap DVD copies on Amazon.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | correction---tailbrace cables are 3/32" cable |
Only used 1/8" on X bracing between struts and wood gear
and to bellcrank for elevator, everything else is 3/32"
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: tenpol-List: |
Mike,
Thanks for the insight. I guess your and our gear set in planes that
are perfectly parallel to that of our wings!
It probably doesn't matter a whole lot, as long as you don't go
cork-screwing through the air.
Jeff
At 8:07 AM -0500 6/23/08, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] wrote:
>(GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
>
>Some will cringe Jeff but I measure the distance to the hangar floor
>from
>the bottom LE and TE of my horizontal stabilizer and adjust the
>turnbuckles
>until the measurements agree from side to side and the tension on the
>(in my
>case 1/8" diam) cables feels about right.
>
>Mike C.
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Bill,
The created remains from a cat look much different ! And those
remains stop showing up in our
flower beds once the cat is dead. Even better.
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: correction---tailbrace cables are 3/32" cable |
Hi Guys,
Last year I looked closely at "The Last Original" Piet at Brodhead. Bernard
used 1/16" tail brace wires. He also cut down the longeron dimension to 7/8"
wide. I was surprised to see that.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Last I heard Larry Williams was the closest contact to Randy. (and
Larry is a retired
airline pilot now living in Arkansas on a residential air strip
association of some kind)
Randy did show up in 2007 at Brodhead and I spoke with him. Great guy
if you can find him.
He's somewhat of a freelance artist I believe and last Larry told me
Randy was living on a
houseboat in Florida. You might want to search the archives for Judge
Ted Brousseau as well
(retired, that is) in Naples as I believe he is buddies with Randy as
well. Report back
if you can track him down !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Stab stringers (was Stanley Surform planers) |
Glenn,
As I am just ahead of you in the construction process, this is an issue that
I recently faced.
Don't worry about it. There's such a small amount of curvature in the
stringers, that "pull" is inconsequential. I thought about removing the stab
from the jig so that I could install the stringers on top and bottom at the
same time, so that they would balance each other, but decided against it. I
reasoned that if I kept it in the jig (on a flat table) that at least that
would ensure a warp-free installation on one side, but if I removed it from
the jig, the stab would be free to twist wherever it pleased. But I don't
think either method would result in any real difference that couldn't be
corrected by cable tension.
So, to answer your question, yes, you're being a worrywort again. Just like
the rest of us.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | correction---tailbrace cables are 3/32" cable |
Dan,
How did you get to see the longeron dimension?
And was it 7/8" square or 7/8" x 1"?
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: The Great Waldo Pepper |
Some might say it is the greatest film in aviation, I would not. I would say
it is the greatest film since the invention of the airplane!
In a message dated 6/23/2008 9:14:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Oscar,
I read with utter amazement and disillusionment that you admitted to
having never
seen The Great Waldo Pepper ? Your life will not be complete until you
see that.
You can find cheap DVD copies on Amazon.
Mike C.
**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
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| Subject: | Re: correction---tailbrace cables are 3/32" cable |
Bill,
I just looked inside at the cockpit area. To the best of my recollection,
the longerons were 7/8" wide x 1" high.
Dan Helsper
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| Subject: | Re: Stab stringers (was Stanley Surform planers) |
Thanks Bill,
Seeing how it took me over 4 months to get the stabilizer almost done, I really
fret about things that could flip the applecart in the last couple of steps.
The type of warp I'm worried about with the leading edge of the stabilizer can't
be "adjusted out" with the bracing wires which is where my question was aiming.
I guess since you didn't end up with any kind of warp, it is probably something
you can address right in the flat jig.
Another idea I had that is probably very easy to set up is to use the wall of my
garage as the flat plane and building a jig right on the wall. My garage isn't
insulated so I have the open bays between studs to get at both sides of the
stab. Can't wait to get home and see if there is a clear spot that I can size
up for this approach.
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
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| Subject: | Re: Cross Country in a Piet |
Oscar go ahead and rent it actually you should buy it, there is just t much
to be learned about life in it.
"And if you really don't like it I'll give you another ride for free"
In a message dated 6/23/2008 9:03:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Poth? Poth! That's just outside of San Antonio and not too goshawful far
from Cannon Field, home of the Liaison Pilots Association.
I've never seen "The Great Waldo Pepper" but I guess I should rent it one of
these days...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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| Subject: | Re: The Great Waldo Pepper |
I too was shocked to read of Oscar's plight. I mean does he not know
that =93Some people would say that what you are about to see, is
probably the greatest exhibition of aeronautical skill in the history
of world. I myself, wouldn=92t go that far. It is probably only the
greatest since the invention of the aeroplane.=94
Axel Olsson - The Stunt King
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:11 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] wrote:
> [ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
>
> Oscar,
>
> I read with utter amazement and disillusionment that you admitted to
> having never
> seen The Great Waldo Pepper ? Your life will not be complete until
> you
> see that.
> You can find cheap DVD copies on Amazon.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stab stringers (was Stanley Surform planers) |
Glenn,
My Dad died on March 7th this year (a Friday night) and I started my Piet
that Saturday morning. My understanding wife left me alone all weekend as I
buried myself in the tail section. Between the tears and the memories, I was
able to build all six pieces in two very long days (I am fortunate to have
all his shop equipment).
The method I used was to glue the frame work, add the gussets and let all
dry overnight. The next day I added the stringers, but saw no tendency for
them to pull anything out of alignment. The spars appear to be plenty strong
to resist any pull.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(10 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Thomas
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stab stringers (was Stanley Surform planers)
<glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
Thanks Bill,
Seeing how it took me over 4 months to get the stabilizer almost done, I
really fret about things that could flip the applecart in the last couple of
steps. The type of warp I'm worried about with the leading edge of the
stabilizer can't be "adjusted out" with the bracing wires which is where my
question was aiming. I guess since you didn't end up with any kind of warp,
it is probably something you can address right in the flat jig.
Another idea I had that is probably very easy to set up is to use the wall
of my garage as the flat plane and building a jig right on the wall. My
garage isn't insulated so I have the open bays between studs to get at both
sides of the stab. Can't wait to get home and see if there is a clear spot
that I can size up for this approach.
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
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| Subject: | Re: Stab stringers (was Stanley Surform planers) |
As I recall (we're talking about trying to remember something I did
nearly 10 years ago) when I made the jig for my stabilizer, I added
blocks of wood to raise the spars and leading and trailing edges the
appropriate height to clear the ribs when the stabilizer was assembled.
Since BHP decided to make the spar, the LE and the TE all different
thicknesses, it took some doing to build a jig that allowed the
stabilizer to be assembled in plane.
I added small blocks of spruce between the rib capstrips at the point
about halfway between the spar and the trailing edge to help hold the
rib capstrips apart. I've attached a couple of pictures showing the jig
setup and the little blocks in place separating the capstrips. I don't
know if the blocks are really necessary, but It was nice to be able to
tighten up the ribstitching in that area without worryng about
distorting the ribs.
In the picture "Assembling the Stabilizer" you can see how I shimmed up
the assembly in the jig to bring everything into plane. In "Assembled
Elevator" you can see a good view of the rib blocks in between the
capstrips.
And no laughing about how much more grey hair I have now than I did in
that picture!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn
Thomas
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stab stringers (was Stanley Surform
planers)
<glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
Thanks Bill,
Seeing how it took me over 4 months to get the stabilizer almost done, I
really fret about things that could flip the applecart in the last
couple of steps. The type of warp I'm worried about with the leading
edge of the stabilizer can't be "adjusted out" with the bracing wires
which is where my question was aiming. I guess since you didn't end up
with any kind of warp, it is probably something you can address right in
the flat jig.
Another idea I had that is probably very easy to set up is to use the
wall of my garage as the flat plane and building a jig right on the
wall. My garage isn't insulated so I have the open bays between studs
to get at both sides of the stab. Can't wait to get home and see if
there is a clear spot that I can size up for this approach.
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
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| Subject: | correction---tailbrace cables are 3/32" cable |
Dan,
Oh, sure, I guess if you want to do things the easy way, you could just look
inside the cockpit area.
Why didn't I think of that?
Bonus points for you for thinking to measure the size of the longerons.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: The Great Waldo Pepper |
I see a trend emerging, as we have Jim Markle as the unofficial, official
Pietenpol ambassador, we are once again graced with the fine works of John
Hofmann as TGWP officinado, truly and expert in his field. John, you do gre
at
work, I look forward to meeting you next month. Your commentary of last nig
ht
certainly brought laughter to my tired worn and weary self.
I for one applaud you knowledge and greater than appropriate application of
TGWP to the occasion.
Thanks John a real pleasure to watch a master of the art for at work.
Is that all you intend to do for the rest of your life is rides for cash?
John
In a message dated 6/23/2008 10:15:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com writes:
I too was shocked to read of Oscar's plight. I mean does he not know that
=9C
Some people would say that what you are about to see, is probably the great
est
exhibition of aeronautical skill in the history of world. I myself, wouldn
=99t
go that far. It is probably only the greatest since the invention of the
aeroplane.=9D
Axel Olsson - The Stunt King
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: _jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com_ (mailto:jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com)
On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:11 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] wrote:
<_michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov_ (mailto:michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov) >
Oscar,
I read with utter amazement and disillusionment that you admitted to
having never
seen The Great Waldo Pepper ? Your life will not be complete until you
see that.
You can find cheap DVD copies on Amazon.
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| Subject: | Re: adding a baggage compartment |
CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca wrote:
> 50lb??!! Spruce is officialy listed at 31 lb/cubic foot.
> Western Hemlock-29, Douglas Fir-34. Those are
> three of a fairly long list of useable woods.
>
> Clif
>
I know, but I also wanted to add in for unknowns, variations in the wood, and T-88
used.
and Jack, I'm seeing 100 as max level speed, sou wouldn't 85 be resonable at solo
weight? and I was expecting a bit of a drop at gross, but not down to 65ish.
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| Subject: | Re: Stab stringers (was Stanley Surform planers) |
Jack,
No comments about the color of your hair, but what the heck were you wiping
all over the front of your workbench? Grecian formula perhaps?
By the way, I used the same method of shimming the various thicknesses of
spar, leading and trailing edges in the jig. I think maybe I'll add some of
those rib blocks between the capstrips. Probably not really necessary, but
the capstrips do have a bit of flex, as-is.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: adding a baggage compartment |
rubber314chicken wrote:
>
> CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca wrote:
> > 50lb??!! Spruce is officialy listed at 31 lb/cubic foot.
> > Western Hemlock-29, Douglas Fir-34. Those are
> > three of a fairly long list of useable woods.
> >
> > Clif
> >
>
> I know, but I also wanted to add in for unknowns, variations in the wood, and
T-88 used.
>
> and Jack, I'm seeing 100 as max level speed, so wouldn't 85 be resonable at solo
weight? and I was expecting a bit of a drop at gross, but not down to 65ish.
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| Subject: | Re: Stab stringers (was Stanley Surform planers) |
That was excess resorcinol glue (BTW, the ONLY glue the FAA approves for
wooden aircraft construction)
Pretty, isn't it? I did use T-88 in the cockpit area, or anywhere it
showed except for laminations, like my laminated landing gear struts.
Jack
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stab stringers (was Stanley Surform
planers)
Jack,
No comments about the color of your hair, but what the heck were you
wiping all over the front of your workbench? Grecian formula perhaps?
By the way, I used the same method of shimming the various thicknesses
of spar, leading and trailing edges in the jig. I think maybe I'll add
some of those rib blocks between the capstrips. Probably not really
necessary, but the capstrips do have a bit of flex, as-is.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: adding a baggage compartment |
100 is pretty close to Vne for a Pietenpol. Mine has a 65 hp
Continental, and I see a cruise speed of about 65 mph solo, maybe 62 at
Gross. Top speed is about 72 indicated.
You might get 100 mph indicated in cruise on a Pietenpol with a Pratt &
Whitney R-985 on it.
There's a lot of drag inherent to the design that you simply can't
overcome.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rubber314chicken
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding a baggage compartment
<rubber314chicken@gmail.com>
CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca wrote:
> 50lb??!! Spruce is officialy listed at 31 lb/cubic foot.
> Western Hemlock-29, Douglas Fir-34. Those are
> three of a fairly long list of useable woods.
>
> Clif
>
I know, but I also wanted to add in for unknowns, variations in the
wood, and T-88 used.
and Jack, I'm seeing 100 as max level speed, sou wouldn't 85 be
resonable at solo weight? and I was expecting a bit of a drop at gross,
but not down to 65ish.
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| Subject: | Jack's photo of blocks in the horiz. tail |
An EXCELLENT point to not forget to glue in those blocks between
the horizontal tail rib strips. Fabric taughtening plus rib stitching
can crush those strips if not reinforced as shown ala Phillips.
Mike C.
I miss rib stitching. Knit one, pearl two....
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| Subject: | Size of longerons and tailbrace wires |
Bill,
I was inspecting very closely that "Last Original" because to me, that is
the "final word" on acceptable design standards by the master himself. Based on
what I saw, I am still planning to use 1/16" cable on the tail feathers
(unless I chicken out and use 3/32"). Does anyone have an opinion on this? With
some anecdotal or actual evidence? Obviously this airplane has been flying for
quite sometime with no ill affects.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: adding a baggage compartment |
Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal wrote:
> 100 is pretty close to Vne for a Pietenpol. Mine has a 65 hp
> Continental, and I see a cruise speed of about 65 mph solo, maybe 62 at
> Gross. Top speed is about 72 indicated.
>
> You might get 100 mph indicated in cruise on a Pietenpol with a Pratt &
> Whitney R-985 on it.
>
> There's a lot of drag inherent to the design that you simply can't
> overcome.
>
> Jack
> --
that might explain the difference. I've read 104 for Vne (although it differs
I'm sure) and with a corvair (110ish) in there I'm sure I could cruise a bit faster
than 65, and still have a good fuel economy.
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| Subject: | Re: Stab stringers (was Stanley Surform planers) |
Thanks again,
Gary that's a sad story with an amazing outcome. At least you had a good place
to focus on, and focus you did! These projects provide some great reflective
quiet time.
Jack, I did mine pretty much the same way you did yours, shimming every part to
the appropriate plane prior to assembly. At this point the stabilizer is done,
less the stringers. My worry was that as the stringers (from rear to front)
curve over the main spar down to where they are glued to the tapered-down leading
edge, that small amount of spring to achieve a curve will result in a tendency
to bow the leading edge when the stab comes out of the jig with 8 stringers
on one side, the bow most severe in the center. I may simply be overestimating
the strength of the stringers here. They are stronger and less plyable
in my hands than I thought they'd be. I will revisit tonight. Great pictures.
Are they up on Chris Tracy's site? They do a really good job of showing the
approach you took.
Thanks guys for all the help on this.
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
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| Subject: | Re: adding a baggage compartment |
We get 90 mph (checked by GPS) when running flat-out with a C-85 at gross.
BUT,
It is absolutely flat-out and NOT FUN.
These planes seem to like flying at 80 mph or under. For ours, 70-75
is just about perfect.
At 10:56 AM -0400 6/23/08, Phillips, Jack wrote:
><Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
>
>100 is pretty close to Vne for a Pietenpol. Mine has a 65 hp
>Continental, and I see a cruise speed of about 65 mph solo, maybe 62 at
>Gross. Top speed is about 72 indicated.
>
>You might get 100 mph indicated in cruise on a Pietenpol with a Pratt &
>Whitney R-985 on it.
>
>There's a lot of drag inherent to the design that you simply can't
>overcome.
>
>Jack
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>rubber314chicken
>Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:44 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding a baggage compartment
>
><rubber314chicken@gmail.com>
>
>
>CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca wrote:
>> 50lb??!! Spruce is officialy listed at 31 lb/cubic foot.
>> Western Hemlock-29, Douglas Fir-34. Those are
>> three of a fairly long list of useable woods.
>>
>> Clif
>>
>
>I know, but I also wanted to add in for unknowns, variations in the
>wood, and T-88 used.
>
>and Jack, I'm seeing 100 as max level speed, sou wouldn't 85 be
>resonable at solo weight? and I was expecting a bit of a drop at gross,
>but not down to 65ish.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189301#189301
>
>
--
_____________________________________________________________
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mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
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| Subject: | When the fat lady sings |
I agree with Jack on the 100 mph Vne speed as I've only had mine to a
max
of 90 a few times (doing low-level inspections of grass runways for
errant ground hog holes)
and the fat lady started to sing at about 85 to 90.
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| Subject: | The Great Waldo Pepper |
All,
You know she's the one to marry when your girlfriend buys you The Great
Waldo Pepper on DVD for Christmas, after searching for almost a year to
find a copy, and she pays a premium for it, to boot!
I love my wife!
Oh, and Oscar, you NEED to see this movie. It's only like the best
aviation movie of all time! I still laugh every time Robert Redford
takes a tomato to the back of the head!!! :)
-Wayne Bressler
www.taildraggersinc.com
www.generalaviationnation.com
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| Subject: | R/C Pietenpol Kit for trade! |
Hey Piet-listers,
I have in my posession an old House of Balsa remote controlled Pietenpol
kit. New in the box, completely unstarted. I don't really think I'll
ever build it, and I think I just had a genius idea...
I would like to "trade" it for the complete set of Aircamper drawing
from Andrew Pietenpol. I realize, that's a complicated proposition, but
if anyone has a new, unused set of plans that they'd be interested in
trading, I'm all ears! If someone would like to have this kit, but
doesn't have a set of plans to trade, that's OK, too. I will use the
money to buy the plans myself.
The complete set of plans from Andrew is $158 shipped. I have been
advertising this kit on RCGroups.com for $135 plus shipping, which would
probably be $10-15. I have pictures of the kit on that site, but here
are some basic specs for you:
Wingspan: 65"
Wing Area: 715 sq in
Weight: 4.5 to 5.5 lbs
Wing Loading: 14.5 - 17.7 oz/sq ft
Engine: .19 - .35 cu in
Radio Req'd: 2-3 Channel
If anyone is interested, please e-mail me off list at the address below.
Here's the link to the pictures:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=882303
I've been a list member for a few years, but still haven't bought the
plans. I enjoy the banter back and forth, and have gained a lot of
knowledge from the discussions on this list. I appreciate everyone's
input here, this is probably the best e-mail list going.
Thanks,
-Wayne Bressler
wayne@taildraggersinc.com
www.taildraggersinc.com
www.generalaviationnation.com
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| Subject: | R/C Pietenpol Kit for trade! |
Just scale up the plans you have and use spruce instead of balsa and you should
be good to go!
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
wayne@taildraggersinc.com
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: R/C Pietenpol Kit for trade!
Hey Piet-listers,
I have in my posession an old House of Balsa remote controlled Pietenpol
kit. New in the box, completely unstarted. I don't really think I'll
ever build it, and I think I just had a genius idea...
I would like to "trade" it for the complete set of Aircamper drawing
from Andrew Pietenpol. I realize, that's a complicated proposition, but
if anyone has a new, unused set of plans that they'd be interested in
trading, I'm all ears! If someone would like to have this kit, but
doesn't have a set of plans to trade, that's OK, too. I will use the
money to buy the plans myself.
The complete set of plans from Andrew is $158 shipped. I have been
advertising this kit on RCGroups.com for $135 plus shipping, which would
probably be $10-15. I have pictures of the kit on that site, but here
are some basic specs for you:
Wingspan: 65"
Wing Area: 715 sq in
Weight: 4.5 to 5.5 lbs
Wing Loading: 14.5 - 17.7 oz/sq ft
Engine: .19 - .35 cu in
Radio Req'd: 2-3 Channel
If anyone is interested, please e-mail me off list at the address below.
Here's the link to the pictures:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=882303
I've been a list member for a few years, but still haven't bought the
plans. I enjoy the banter back and forth, and have gained a lot of
knowledge from the discussions on this list. I appreciate everyone's
input here, this is probably the best e-mail list going.
Thanks,
-Wayne Bressler
wayne@taildraggersinc.com
www.taildraggersinc.com
www.generalaviationnation.com
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| Subject: | Re: Stanley Surform planers----a lifesaver when rounding |
edges
Glen,
Don't know if this is still an issue, but the following link (hope it wor
ks) shows how I did it. Basically took the horizontal stabililzer out of t
he jig, stood it on end, glued the stringers trailing edges and middle on b
oth sides, dried overnight, glued and clamped leading edges of stringers.
The link shows pictures (excuse the poor quality)
http://joe.krzes.googlepages.com/elevpg6.htm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stanley Surform planers----a lifesaver when
rounding edges> From: glennthomas@flyingwood.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05
:16:39 -0700> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Also, on the topic of sta
bilizer construction, I am worried that if I put the stringers in on one si
de (to guarantee that it stays good'n flat) the slight bend at the LE will
cause a warp and when I flip it, and the aggregate pull by all of those (8
on one side) stringers will be difficult to combat. But if I glue them in a
s a top and bottom pair out of the jig, I won't be able to guarantee the fl
atness. Ideas? Am I being a worrywort again? It is perfectly true out of th
e jig so it might not be an issue to go with the second idea. > > Thanks> >
--------> Glenn Thomas> N?????> http://www.flyingwood.com> > > > > Read th
is topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=1892
==========> > >
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brian.kraut(at)engalt.com wrote:
> Just scale up the plans you have and use spruce instead of balsa and you should
be good to go!
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> --
because the tail feathers are made of solid spruce...... [Rolling Eyes]
Read this topic online here:
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Hello all:
This may be a rather long post asking for advice on engines. Please
bear with me.
I answered an ad for a homebuilt project with an engine, mainly to find
out about the possibility of using an aircraft engine instead of the
Corvair I intend to convert. I was at my father's apartment when I made
the call since the location of the project was not too far from his
location. (my dad is 92 now and was a flight instructor right after the
war). I had repeated the fellow's name as I wrote it down. After the
conversation, my father said he thought he knew that name. I drove over
to this fellow's home and asked if he ever knew a Carl Butsch. He said,
"Well heck yes I know Carl. We grew up next door to each other not a
block from here! Used to build model airplanes together back in the
late twenties and early thirties"!! Needles to say, we had a great
conversation for about three hours.
Now to the meat of this novella. Turns out that I was not really
interested in his project,... but he mentioned he had a 65 H.P. Lycoming
that he had removed from the homebuilt when he bought it in flying
condition. (don't know how long ago). He showed it to me and it is
complete and has a motor mount and prop (70 X 30 it looks like). Also,
he has two others like it for parts and a fourth which has been
disassembled. He has the engine logs and says he pickled it. (we'll
see about that statement). He has the engine logs which I have not read
yet, but he says it had 570 hours when it was taken off of the flying
homebuilt. He wants $3,000 for the package. It is remotely possible to
get two useable engines from the whole if one gets lucky.
Next situation. He also had a Continental A-75 sitting there which I
asked about. He said it came out of a friends Aeronca for a larger
engine upgrade. He has the logs for that one as well, and says it has
357 hours on it. Also pickled, he says. However he has no carb on it.
He traded it for a couple of rebuilt mags for the Lycoming. No prop or
motor mount with it. He wants $2,500 for that one.
He also had a complete A-65 from an aircraft but no logs, as well as
another A-65 off of an air boat which was running when he went to
purchase it. Also, no logs with that one. I can't even take the time
or space to list all the other stuff he showed me he is going to be
selling! He is 86 years young and is loosing his sight but still seems
to have the energy of a 50 year old man.
Another couple of side comments before I get to some specific questions.
The fellow was thrilled to happen across his old boyhood friend's son
and I don't think he would sell me down the river just to get rid of
these engines or parts. (but one never knows). I mentioned that I had
a nasty looking core Corvair engine I intended to convert and had paid
too much for it. He said, "Come out here, I want to show you
something". In one of his sheds, he uncovered a complete Corvair engine
he had taken out of the car and it was running at the time. He said it
is one of the late model engines from a Monza, 110 hp, two carb set-up.
Then he said, "Come back with a trailer and we'll load it up. You can
HAVE IT" !!! I said, "Well, let me thin...O.K."!!
I have read, again, Tony's advice on buying used aircraft engines and
will take back my little light I made for illuminating the cylinder
interiors and my little chip of an inspection mirror to have a look
inside. I think I would prefer having the A-75 for a bit more H.P. but
would still have to buy a carb and prop. I'll make a better judgment
call after going back to inspect ,and hearing everyone's comments and
advice.
Now, questions:
What is the designation for a 65 H.P. Lycoming? I can't remember the
number the fellow gave me and in Tony's book he only gives designations
back to the 108 H.P.Lycoming.
Given the two options I'm considering, (Continental A-75 with logs, no
carb, no engine mount, and no prop,......or the Lycoming 65 H.P. with
Logs, the prop, and three other engines for possible parts and two motor
mounts (for test stand use only) ), What would you guys do, given the
prices for each situation I mentioned?
What about fuel type if one of these is still useable after cleaning up?
Both were meant to use low octane leaded fuel. Use 100 LL instead
(what about possible detonation?), or auto unleaded fuel? What does one
do in this situation?
The Sensenich prop with the Lycoming package, (I believe it is stamped
70 X 30) is in excellent condition. Would this prop work very well on
the Lycoming on the Air Camper?
O.K, O.K., I'll stop now and wait for advice. Thanks for reading my
novella!
Bob Butsch in Indy.
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Bob, I believe the 65 hp Lyc to be an O-145? Maybe, maybe not..
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Hi Bob,
The Lycoming is an O-145. They are pretty neat engines and 3K for the
lot may be a bit on the high side but not too bad. They are hard to
find parts for (I know, I have one) but are really smooth running.
They are built different from a Continental with the cylinders and
crankcase cast as one component and coverplates instead of a split
case. However, I would probably not put one on a Pietenpol. Their 65
horses is not the same as an A-65 (or A-75). 145 cubic inches vs.
179(?) cubic inches. The O-145 is probably too light as well. I would
make for a pretty long engine mount. The A-75 would be my choice of
the two. I am burning 100LL now with mine in a Cub and it runs well. I
do think I should pull my plugs and have a look soon, just to ease my
mind. I do have the auto fuel STC and my airport has 93 octane for
sale at the pumps.
-john-
John Hofmann
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The Rees Group, Inc.
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Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 23, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Robert Butsch wrote:
> Hello all:
>
> This may be a rather long post asking for advice on engines. Please
> bear with me.
> I answered an ad for a homebuilt project with an engine, mainly to
> find out about the possibility of using an aircraft engine instead
> of the Corvair I intend to convert. I was at my father's apartment
> when I made the call since the location of the project was not too
> far from his location. (my dad is 92 now and was a flight
> instructor right after the war). I had repeated the fellow's name
> as I wrote it down. After the conversation, my father said he
> thought he knew that name. I drove over to this fellow's home and
> asked if he ever knew a Carl Butsch. He said, "Well heck yes I know
> Carl. We grew up next door to each other not a block from here!
> Used to build model airplanes together back in the late twenties and
> early thirties"!! Needles to say, we had a great conversation for
> about three hours.
>
> Now to the meat of this novella. Turns out that I was not really
> interested in his project,... but he mentioned he had a 65 H.P.
> Lycoming that he had removed from the homebuilt when he bought it in
> flying condition. (don't know how long ago). He showed it to me
> and it is complete and has a motor mount and prop (70 X 30 it looks
> like). Also, he has two others like it for parts and a fourth which
> has been disassembled. He has the engine logs and says he pickled
> it. (we'll see about that statement). He has the engine logs which
> I have not read yet, but he says it had 570 hours when it was taken
> off of the flying homebuilt. He wants $3,000 for the package. It
> is remotely possible to get two useable engines from the whole if
> one gets lucky.
>
> Next situation. He also had a Continental A-75 sitting there which
> I asked about. He said it came out of a friends Aeronca for a
> larger engine upgrade. He has the logs for that one as well, and
> says it has 357 hours on it. Also pickled, he says. However he has
> no carb on it. He traded it for a couple of rebuilt mags for the
> Lycoming. No prop or motor mount with it. He wants $2,500 for that
> one.
>
> He also had a complete A-65 from an aircraft but no logs, as well as
> another A-65 off of an air boat which was running when he went to
> purchase it. Also, no logs with that one. I can't even take the
> time or space to list all the other stuff he showed me he is going
> to be selling! He is 86 years young and is loosing his sight but
> still seems to have the energy of a 50 year old man.
>
> Another couple of side comments before I get to some specific
> questions. The fellow was thrilled to happen across his old boyhood
> friend's son and I don't think he would sell me down the river just
> to get rid of these engines or parts. (but one never knows). I
> mentioned that I had a nasty looking core Corvair engine I intended
> to convert and had paid too much for it. He said, "Come out here, I
> want to show you something". In one of his sheds, he uncovered a
> complete Corvair engine he had taken out of the car and it was
> running at the time. He said it is one of the late model engines
> from a Monza, 110 hp, two carb set-up. Then he said, "Come back
> with a trailer and we'll load it up. You can HAVE IT" !!! I said,
> "Well, let me thin...O.K."!!
>
> I have read, again, Tony's advice on buying used aircraft engines
> and will take back my little light I made for illuminating the
> cylinder interiors and my little chip of an inspection mirror to
> have a look inside. I think I would prefer having the A-75 for a
> bit more H.P. but would still have to buy a carb and prop. I'll
> make a better judgment call after going back to inspect ,and hearing
> everyone's comments and advice.
>
> Now, questions:
> What is the designation for a 65 H.P. Lycoming? I can't remember
> the number the fellow gave me and in Tony's book he only gives
> designations back to the 108 H.P.Lycoming.
>
> Given the two options I'm considering, (Continental A-75 with logs,
> no carb, no engine mount, and no prop,......or the Lycoming 65 H.P.
> with Logs, the prop, and three other engines for possible parts and
> two motor mounts (for test stand use only) ), What would you guys
> do, given the prices for each situation I mentioned?
>
> What about fuel type if one of these is still useable after cleaning
> up? Both were meant to use low octane leaded fuel. Use 100 LL
> instead (what about possible detonation?), or auto unleaded fuel?
> What does one do in this situation?
>
> The Sensenich prop with the Lycoming package, (I believe it is
> stamped 70 X 30) is in excellent condition. Would this prop work
> very well on the Lycoming on the Air Camper?
>
> O.K, O.K., I'll stop now and wait for advice. Thanks for reading my
> novella!
>
> Bob Butsch in Indy.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: adding a baggage compartment |
I have a corvair powered piet,and like the others say it likes to fly about
65 to 75 mph. that's at about 2400 rpm you can get 85 or 90 mph out of it but
that is pretty much flat out.
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| Subject: | WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY? |
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From: "Jeremy Bramall" <jbramall@SEWELL.com>
To:<OUTOFTHEBOX50@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY?
After all this talk of cross country flying, baggage loads, and what planes to
build, I see that many of you have other planes. I see that the pattern so far
leans towards other faster two seater planes. In our family we have learned that
it takes more than one plane to fulfill all of our needs. The Rans is for
flying for fun. The Mooney is for traveling. The Piet is for the fun of building
our own plane.
My question is: What other planes do you have and how often do you fly them? Also,
those of you that only have two seater planes, do you regret not having a
plane that seats more people?
My dad has a Mooney M20C. It is currently for sale for money reasons and he only
uses it 100hrs a year and cant justify the expense.
He also has a Rans Coyote II S6ES. We leave the doors off most of the year. He
has a grass strip at his house and it is a hoot to fly. It gets flown 5-10 hrs
a week.
The Piet is his project that I do most of the leg work and research on. It is a
Sky Scout, woodwork done, Subaru EA-81 on the stand with redrive, hoping to get
it running in the next couple of weeks, as soon as I find time to finish converting
the distributor.
My plane is going to be a Wagabond. I have a Colt fuse that needs a lot of work
and will start on it when the Piet is done or when I get divorced, whichever
comes first. I will be stretching it a little and working the weight and balance
so that I can add a childs seat, similar to the ones used in Cessna 150s, for
my son. It will be my everything plane (cross country, pleasure flying, the
works).
Jeremy in Dallas.
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Just sold a Corby Starlet I had for 5 years. Single seat but fast and
economical.
The Piet is great for summer time in Ohio but the Starlet allowed me to
fly with cabin
heat in the winter time.
Mike C.
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Hey Randy,
Are you going to fly your Piet to Brodhead this year?
I'm planning to make my overnight stop at MKL (my mother lives in
Jackson, TN) on Wednesday, 7/23, leaving early the next morning to fly
to Brodhead. Want to go up in formation? You'll have to throttle back
that Corvair to allow me to keep up with you. Gene Pennington (from
Camden) was planning on going but it sounds like he won't be able to do
it this year.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding a baggage compartment
I have a corvair powered piet,and like the others say it likes to fly
about 65 to 75 mph. that's at about 2400 rpm you can get 85 or 90 mph
out of it but that is pretty much flat out.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
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I've got the Pietenpol for Low and Slow flying. I have an RV-4 for aerobatics
and cross-country flying. I am building an RV-10 for Comfortable cross-country
flying (and will sell the RV-4 when I get the -10 finished). Then I will need
a seaplane of some variety and I should be pretty well set, unless I win the
lottery. If that happens, I'm buying a P-51D.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:52 PM
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Jeremy Bramall" <jbramall@SEWELL.com>
To:<OUTOFTHEBOX50@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY?
After all this talk of cross country flying, baggage loads, and what planes to
build, I see that many of you have other planes. I see that the pattern so far
leans towards other faster two seater planes. In our family we have learned that
it takes more than one plane to fulfill all of our needs. The Rans is for
flying for fun. The Mooney is for traveling. The Piet is for the fun of building
our own plane.
My question is: What other planes do you have and how often do you fly them? Also,
those of you that only have two seater planes, do you regret not having a
plane that seats more people?
My dad has a Mooney M20C. It is currently for sale for money reasons and he only
uses it 100hrs a year and can't justify the expense.
He also has a Rans Coyote II S6ES. We leave the doors off most of the year. He
has a grass strip at his house and it is a hoot to fly. It gets flown 5-10 hrs
a week.
The Piet is his project that I do most of the leg work and research on. It is a
Sky Scout, woodwork done, Subaru EA-81 on the stand with redrive, hoping to get
it running in the next couple of weeks, as soon as I find time to finish converting
the distributor.
My plane is going to be a Wagabond. I have a Colt fuse that needs a lot of work
and will start on it when the Piet is done or when I get divorced, whichever
comes first. I will be stretching it a little and working the weight and balance
so that I can add a child's seat, similar to the ones used in Cessna 150s,
for my son. It will be my everything plane (cross country, pleasure flying, the
works).
Jeremy in Dallas.
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I have a Cherokee 140. Training on a Seminole and shopping for a 240
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Airlion?
For whatever reason, your posts never come through for me. I just get a
big blank page. Rick Holland was having the same issues over the
weekend - his posts were blank even though they have worked before.
Yours are always blank for me.
You might try checking with Matte Draile and see if there is a setting
that you can change to allow your posts to come trhough.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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I have a cessna 140 that I am learning to fly with until the pietenpol is
done.... My next project will be a WW1 fighter!!! That is what I really
want to fly......
Dave A.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY?
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Just sold a Corby Starlet I had for 5 years. Single seat but fast and
economical.
The Piet is great for summer time in Ohio but the Starlet allowed me to
fly with cabin
heat in the winter time.
Mike C.
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Ditto. All your posts have been arriving blank.
Tom S.
McPherson, KS
>>> Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com 6/23/2008 1:21 PM >>>
nalhealth.com>
Airlion?
For whatever reason, your posts never come through for me. I just get a
big blank page.
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i am just lurking the list until I get the urge to buy someone's completed project.
I probably will not build until I retire and that is a ways away. I have
a 1948 Vtail Bonanza.
Blue Skies
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Abramson <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY?
> <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
> I have a cessna 140 that I am learning to fly with until the
> pietenpol is
> done.... My next project will be a WW1 fighter!!! That is what I
> reallywant to fly......
>
> Dave A.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cuy,
> Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:00 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY?
>
>
> RXC0)[ASRC]"<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
>
> Just sold a Corby Starlet I had for 5 years. Single seat but
> fast and
> economical.
>
> The Piet is great for summer time in Ohio but the Starlet allowed
> me to
> fly with cabin
> heat in the winter time.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Gardiner Mason (airlion)
Jack, I am planning to fly my cessna 140 to Brodhead Leaving Lagrange,
Ga.
on July 23. Maybe we can meet up. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
If you can read "raw source" of his messages, you can see what he is
writing.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 23, 2008, at 1:41 PM, airlion@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
>
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J3 Cub, NC98872 is a recent addition to the family. Hangared at
Hartford, WI.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 23, 2008, at 12:51 PM, outofthebox50@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Jeremy Bramall" <jbramall@SEWELL.com>
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:47:18
> To:<OUTOFTHEBOX50@YAHOO.COM>
> Subject: WHAT ELSE DO YOU FLY?
>
>
> After all this talk of cross country flying, baggage loads, and what
> planes to build, I see that many of you have other planes. I see
> that the pattern so far leans towards other faster two seater
> planes. In our family we have learned that it takes more than one
> plane to fulfill all of our needs. The Rans is for flying for fun.
> The Mooney is for traveling. The Piet is for the fun of building
> our own plane.
>
> My question is: What other planes do you have and how often do you
> fly them? Also, those of you that only have two seater planes, do
> you regret not having a plane that seats more people?
>
> My dad has a Mooney M20C. It is currently for sale for money
> reasons and he only uses it 100hrs a year and can=92t justify the
> expense.
> He also has a Rans Coyote II S6ES. We leave the doors off most of
> the year. He has a grass strip at his house and it is a hoot to
> fly. It gets flown 5-10 hrs a week.
> The Piet is his project that I do most of the leg work and research
> on. It is a Sky Scout, woodwork done, Subaru EA-81 on the stand
> with redrive, hoping to get it running in the next couple of weeks,
> as soon as I find time to finish converting the distributor.
>
> My plane is going to be a Wagabond. I have a Colt fuse that needs a
> lot of work and will start on it when the Piet is done or when I get
> divorced, whichever comes first. I will be stretching it a little
> and working the weight and balance so that I can add a child=92s seat,
> similar to the ones used in Cessna 150s, for my son. It will be my
> everything plane (cross country, pleasure flying, the works).
>
> Jeremy in Dallas.
>
>
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From Gardiner Mason (airlion)
I fly a cessna 140 for all my xcountry work and for pleasure while
I am b
uilding my piet. If I am flying to a campout I do not carry any
passengers
for camping gear and food takes it all. For that reason a cessna 170
would
be my ideal. No back seats for the station wagon. Also I sleep in the
140
with the seatback tilted back. Works fine for my short body. Cheers,
Gardin
er Mason.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 23, 2008, at 1:11 PM, airlion@bellsouth.net wrote:
> I fly a cessna 140 for all my xcountry work and for pleasure while
> I am b
> uilding my piet. If I am flying to a campout I do not carry any
> passengers
> for camping gear and food takes it all. For that reason a cessna
> 170 would
> be my ideal. No back seats for the station wagon. Also I sleep in
> the 140
> with the seatback tilted back. Works fine for my short body. Cheers,
> Gardin
> er Mason.
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from Gardiner Mason (airlion):
If your max gross wt. were 1320 lbs. what would your climb rate be
after t
ake off? I am building a corvair piet also and should have it flying
by the
end of the year. Gardiner Mason
-------------- Original message from RBush96589@aol.com: --------------
I have a corvair powered piet,and like the others say it likes to fly
about
65 to 75 mph. that's at about 2400 rpm you can get 85 or 90 mph out of
it
but that is pretty much flat out.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
On Jun 23, 2008, at 1:17 PM, airlion@bellsouth.net wrote:
> If your max gross wt. were 1320 lbs. what would your climb rate be
> after t
> ake off? I am building a corvair piet also and should have it flying
> by the
> end of the year. Gardiner Mason
> -------------- Original message from RBush96589@aol.com:
> --------------
>
>
> I have a corvair powered piet,and like the others say it likes to
> fly about
> 65 to 75 mph. that's at about 2400 rpm you can get 85 or 90 mph out
> of it
> but that is pretty much flat out.
>
> Randy Bush
>
> NX294RB
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| Subject: | Size of longerons and tailbrace wires |
Dan,
>From what I can gather, the breaking strength of 1/16" aircraft cable
(either galvanized or stainless steel) is listed at 480 lb.
My guess would be that at that loading, the wood that the fittings are
attached to is going to be in serious trouble.
I think the 40-or-so year record of the Last Original shows that the
arrangement is sufficient.
Bill C.
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Sorry, it's still blank. I have copied your entire message below.
Tom S.
McPherson, KS
>>> airlion@bellsouth.net 6/23/2008 1:51 PM >>>
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Still blank for me.
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-----Original Message-----
From: airlion@bellsouth.net
To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: blank
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| Subject: | Re: adding a baggage compartment |
actually The gross for a Pietenpol is about 1100. 1320 probably wouldn't climb
well at all.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189388#189388
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We can see your lips moving, but nothing is coming out!
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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| Subject: | Re: Stanley Surform planers----a lifesaver when rounding |
edges
Those pictures you posted show exactly what I am talking about. ...and after re-reading
Jacks comment on doing this, I realized that I missed some info the
on the first read. Between the two of you I should be in good shape tonight when
I execute.
Thanks
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189398#189398
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| Subject: | flying to brodhead |
Hi Jack,
I would like to fly to Brodhead and Iam planning on it, but this is my
first taildragger so I am still getting the hang of it.I have not flown in
much wind as of yet so I need some practice with that for landings.Keep in
touch and if I get to feeling comfortable enough with my skills I am going.
Gardiner, the heaviest I have flown mine is about 1250lbs and I got maybe
300fpm or a little better.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
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| Subject: | Re: The Great Waldo Pepper |
Mehlin Smith and crew usually show The Great Waldo Pepper on the side of a hangar,
one of the nights of Brodhead. Complete with a popcorn popping cart. Definitely
a highlight of the Piet Fly-in!
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189435#189435
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| Subject: | Re: flying to brodhead |
I will endeavor to translate for Gardiner Mason (airlion)
Randy, thanks for the comeback. I have a cessna 140 with a C90
engine-- ma
x gross wt of 1450lbs. My climb out is about 500ft/min. See you in
Brodhead
I hope. Cheers, Gardiner.
-------------- Original message from RBush96589@aol.com: --------------
Hi Jack,
I would like to fly to Brodhead and Iam planning on it, but this
is my
first taildragger so I am still getting the hang of it.I have not
flown in
much wind as of yet so I need some practice with that for
landings.Keep in
touch and if I get to feeling comfortable enough with my skills I am
going
.
Gardiner, the heaviest I have flown mine is about 1250lbs and I got
maybe 3
00fpm or a little better.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 23, 2008, at 7:02 PM, airlion@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Great Waldo Pepper |
AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> Some might say it is the greatest film in aviation, I would not. I
> would say it is the greatest film since the invention of the airplane!
>
> In a message dated 6/23/2008 9:14:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes:
>
> (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
>
> Oscar,
>
> I read with utter amazement and disillusionment that you admitted to
> having never
> seen The Great Waldo Pepper ? Your life will not be complete
> until you
> see that.
> You can find cheap DVD copies on Amazon.
>
> Mike C. e the es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp;
> - List Contribution Web Site ;
> =======================
>
Sorry all, but my vote goes to "Only Angels have Wings". The flying may
be better in Waldo, but I've always had a thing for Jean Arthur.
Available from Netflix.
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport NX154JP
Sonoma, CA
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Stinson 108-3 for cross country. Half interest in a Taylorcraft BC12-D
just for fun.
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport NX154JP
Sonoma, CA
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| Subject: | Re: The Great Waldo Pepper |
> Is that all you intend to do for the rest of your life is rides for
> cash?
"Oh no, No Sir. Every penny I make goes into the building of a brand
new biplane for air acrobatics."
I find my mind wandering to a month in the future. Look for a ratty
Cub and I won't be far away.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 23, 2008, at 9:28 AM, AmsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> I see a trend emerging, as we have Jim Markle as the unofficial,
> official Pietenpol ambassador, we are once again graced with the
> fine works of John Hofmann as TGWP officinado, truly and expert in
> his field. John, you do great work, I look forward to meeting you
> next month. Your commentary of last night certainly brought laughter
> to my tired worn and weary self.
>
> I for one applaud you knowledge and greater than appropriate
> application of TGWP to the occasion.
>
> Thanks John a real pleasure to watch a master of the art for at work.
>
> Is that all you intend to do for the rest of your life is rides for
> cash?
>
> John
>
> In a message dated 6/23/2008 10:15:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
> writes:
> I too was shocked to read of Oscar's plight. I mean does he not know
> that =93Some people would say that what you are about to see, is
> probably the greatest exhibition of aeronautical skill in the
> history of world. I myself, wouldn=92t go that far. It is probably
> only the greatest since the invention of the aeroplane.=94
>
> Axel Olsson - The Stunt King
>
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
> Madison, WI 53718
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
> On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:11 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] wrote:
>
>> [ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>>
>>
>> Oscar,
>>
>> I read with utter amazement and disillusionment that you admitted to
>> having never
>> seen The Great Waldo Pepper ? Your life will not be complete
>> until you
>> see that.
>> You can find cheap DVD copies on Amazon.
>>
>> Mike C. - The --> http://www.matr
>> &n - &nbs -->
http://www.matronics.com/co================
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr
on.matronics.com/
> ">http://forums.matronics.com
>
://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient
> used cars.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Great Waldo Pepper |
Not a bad film at all. Jean Arthur had one of the greatest voices and
deliveries of all time. Good story but I prefer "Waldo." Too much
model work. Of course a favorite is pretty personal. Since nobody has
asked I will give you a few good titles to add to your collection:
"The Great Waldo Pepper"...Need I say more?
"The Spirit of St. Louis"...Great Story and great aviation scenes. Who
does not like Jimmy Stewart?
"Hell's Angels"...Great flying, cheesy story. Jean Harlow coins the
phrase about "slipping into something more comfortable."...woof!
"Wings"..good WWI flick. Silent.
"Airplane!"...Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?....Me John,
Big Tree...I still laugh out loud every time I see this.
"The Wings of Eagles"...a somewhat obscure John Wayne (John Ford
directed movie). It is really a good film with some early Naval
Aviation footage.
"The Best Years of Our Lives"...1946, not strictly aviation but some
good B-17 footage and one of the best films made. It deals with GIs
coming home from the War in 1946. It is one of my favorites and is a
truly great story.
"Ace Eli and Roger of the Skies"...try to find this one.
"The Battle of Britain"..The photography is beautiful on my 42" plasma.
"The Right Stuff"...Cool Movie
"The Blue Max"...Horrible Story with some good flying...."Brat? Cheese
Curd?"
"Top Gun"...NOT. Stupid movie. I thought it was cool when I was 22 in
1986. Now I realize what an idiot I was.
"The Rocketeer"...My mother in law loves this one. Take it with a
grain of salt and it is wonderful.
"The Building of NX48 Something or Other"...some guy from Ohio built
an airplane of some sort. Mildly entertaining...we'll see if he reads
this post.
"Twelve O'Clock High"...Great WWII flick. When I was a kid they ran
the series of this name on late Saturday night TV. I never missed an
episode.
"The Bridges at Toko Ri"...one of the few good Korean War flicks, plus
it had Grace Kelly.
"Flyboys"... I want to like this one but have not been able to get
through it. Too many red CGI Fokkers.
This will get your collection started. There are many more I have
missed but these stand out in my mine and I have to get to bed.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Darrel Jones wrote:
>
> AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
>> Some might say it is the greatest film in aviation, I would not. I
>> would say it is the greatest film since the invention of the
>> airplane!
>> In a message dated 6/23/2008 9:14:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov
>> writes:
>>
>> (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>>
>>
>> Oscar,
>>
>> I read with utter amazement and disillusionment that you
>> admitted to
>> having never
>> seen The Great Waldo Pepper ? Your life will not be complete
>> until you
>> see that.
>> You can find cheap DVD copies on Amazon.
>>
>> Mike C. e the es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp;
>> - List Contribution Web
>> Site ; =======================
>>
> Sorry all, but my vote goes to "Only Angels have Wings". The flying
> may be better in Waldo, but I've always had a thing for Jean Arthur.
> Available from Netflix.
>
> Darrel Jones
> Pfeifer Sport NX154JP
> Sonoma, CA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cross Country in a Piet |
Yeah, you should! Tonight! :-)
Clif
> I've never seen "The Great Waldo Pepper" but I guess I should rent it one
> of these days...
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> Oscar Zuniga
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| Subject: | Re: The Great Waldo Pepper |
Another "can't miss" films is Cloud Dancer with David
Carradine and Jennifer O'Neill.
No computer planes in this one!
The only place you'll find it though, is used on Ebay.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hofmann
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper
Not a bad film at all. Jean Arthur had one of the greatest voices and
deliveries of all time. Good story but I prefer "Waldo." Too much model
work. Of course a favorite is pretty personal. Since nobody has asked I
will give you a few good titles to add to your collection:
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