---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/24/08: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:57 AM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper (Jack Phillips) 2. 04:56 AM - John Hofmann's Top 18 Aviation Movies to See (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]) 3. 05:39 AM - Re: Cross Country in a Piet (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 4. 05:52 AM - Re: Randy Bruce (MikeD) 5. 05:58 AM - getting ready to go GOT brodhead on my mind (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 6. 06:28 AM - Various (tbyh@aol.com) 7. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Randy Bruce (airlion@bellsouth.net) 8. 08:51 AM - Re: Various (MikeD) 9. 10:08 AM - Re: Various (Roman Bukolt) 10. 10:58 AM - movies... off topic (Oscar Zuniga) 11. 11:18 AM - Tribute (chase143) 12. 11:21 AM - Re: movies... off topic (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 13. 11:42 AM - Re: movies... off topic (John Hofmann) 14. 11:52 AM - say goodbye to ELT's helping you in a crash (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]) 15. 12:56 PM - Re: say goodbye to ELT's helping you in a crash (Greg Chapman) 16. 01:04 PM - Re: say goodbye to ELT's helping you in a crash (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com) 17. 01:31 PM - ELT's (HelsperSew@aol.com) 18. 01:34 PM - Re: say goodbye to ELT's helping you in a crash (Greg Chapman) 19. 01:56 PM - Re: ELT's (Brian Kraut) 20. 02:07 PM - Re: ELT's (Robert Gow) 21. 02:14 PM - trigger rates (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]) 22. 02:23 PM - Keeping my old ELT (HelsperSew@aol.com) 23. 03:04 PM - Re: ELT's (Greg Chapman) 24. 03:08 PM - Re: ELT's (Greg Chapman) 25. 05:18 PM - Re: flying to brodhead (H RULE) 26. 05:49 PM - Re: flying to brodhead (airlion@bellsouth.net) 27. 06:04 PM - Re: say goodbye to ELT's helping you in a crash (airlion@bellsouth.net) 28. 06:21 PM - Re: say goodbye to ELT's helping you in a crash (Jim Ash) 29. 06:40 PM - Re: piet list emails (Pastor M F Townsley) 30. 06:58 PM - Re: trigger rates (Jim Ash) 31. 07:10 PM - Re: Re: piet list emails (Michael Silvius) 32. 09:48 PM - Re: flying to brodhead (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 33. 09:49 PM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper (Steve Ruse) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:26 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper Yeah, Cloud Dancer is worth watching for the flying. Charlie Hillard did all the flying for that one. Cheesy story. Jack _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:32 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper Another "can't miss" films is Cloud Dancer with David Carradine and Jennifer O'Neill. No computer planes in this one! The only place you'll find it though, is used on Ebay. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hofmann Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper Not a bad film at all. Jean Arthur had one of the greatest voices and deliveries of all time. Good story but I prefer "Waldo." Too much model work. Of course a favorite is pretty personal. Since nobody has asked I will give you a few good titles to add to your collection: ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: John Hofmann's Top 18 Aviation Movies to See From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" I'm flattered to have made John's top movie list and though I too view Top Gun differently now that I'm older I still wish I were a student of Kelly McGillis. I'd like to watch 'Flying Leathernecks' and 'Flying Tigers' with John Wayne but haven't gotten around to ordering them from Amazon yet. Mike C. do not archive PS- some of the lines from 'Airplane' are unforgettable to me, especially Johnny and Lloyd Bridges ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:56 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cross Country in a Piet I second that, and recommend you make tracks to get it without delay. John In a message dated 6/24/2008 12:31:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson Yeah, you should! Tonight! :-) Clif > I've never seen "The Great Waldo Pepper" but I guess I should rent it one > of these days... > > Oscar Zuniga , > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Checked by AVG. 7:16 PM **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Randy Bruce From: "MikeD" michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov wrote: > Last I heard Larry Williams was the closest contact to Randy. (and > Larry is a retired > airline pilot now living in Arkansas on a residential air strip > association of some kind) > > Randy did show up in 2007 at Brodhead and I spoke with him. Great guy > if you can find him. > He's somewhat of a freelance artist I believe and last Larry told me > Randy was living on a > houseboat in Florida. You might want to search the archives for Judge > Ted Brousseau as well > (retired, that is) in Naples as I believe he is buddies with Randy as > well. Report back > if you can track him down ! > > Mike C. Well, following his tracks from Florida (what am I, a PI?..) via various internet resources I could make sense of, it seems he has an address in Ohio, and I got a phone number as well. I've left a couple of messages and waiting to get through to this number still so I have not been able to confirm I got the right guy yet. I will report back if/when successful! -------- Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189543#189543 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:29 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: getting ready to go GOT brodhead on my mind I am amazed by the number of people I need to see again and those I need to meet in person for the first time and naturally those willing to drag my big self around the pattern. I suppose I should be a bit more fastidious and make a list of those I need to seek out. With my luck I will make the list and forget it in my hotel room or just plain loose it. Either way this year has been challenging and interesting in the build and the experienced improved by friends on the list. Since this is combined with a business trip I hope nothing happens to cancel the trip. I am really looking forward to catching up with you all again. As I have stated earlier I am bringing along a buddy, he was instrumental in getting me from paper plans to gluing sticks together. I am gonna give him the full experience, the total Piet immersion, so if anyone has a open seat in their Piet it would be great to get him a ride. Hey does anyone know if Doc is gonna supply name tags again? I sure hope so, that was really nice to have. I sure can wait to see the wide Piet logo! Hope to see ya in a month and a few days. John Recine NX895BP reserved **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Various From: tbyh@aol.com As always, the info to be found on this blog is terrific! A couple items: I recently had an article published in "Forward in Flight," ?the magazine of the Wisconsin Aviation Hall of Fame. Topic: the annual Pietenpol Reunion at Brodhead, Wisconsin. Title: "Field of Dreams." If any of you would like a copy for your Pietenpol archives,?send me 50 cents and?your address and I'll mail you a copy. Many thanks to Don Emch and Bill Church for a couple of the photos used with the article!?Send your quarters to: Fred Beseler, 1619 Cass Street, La Crosse, WI? 54601.? Or, if you can wait, I'll try to remember to bring some freebie copies along to Brodhead.? E-mail is: TBYH@aol.com One of my favorite movies is "633 Squadron." I recently picked up a DVD copy -- as good as I remember when I saw it as a kid. As a result the DH Mosquito has always been my favorite airplane.By the way, the plywood for the Mosquito came from Wisconsin! The movie stars Cliff Robertson and they used five REAL Mosquitos to make the movie. The RAF had just recently retired the last of their Mossies in the early 1960s when the movie was made and they scrounged up three flyers and two taxi-able Mosquitos for the movie. They wrecked a couple of them?making the movie -- nobody was thinking historic preservation at the time. Like a lot of flying movies it has a corny plot but?the flying scenes are outstanding. The attack on the hydro plant uses models...and, by the way, it is said that?George Lucas was inspired by the 633 Squadron attack scenes when he made the Death Star attack scenes in "Star Wars." I've always thought that a 5/8-scale Mosquito powered by a pair of Jaguar V-12 engines would make a heck of a neat homebuilt project. Have to finish the Piet project, first! (I understand there is a fellow in New Zealand building an entirely new, from scratch?full-size Mosquito...that will be something to see when finished! The discussions about wood are very timely as my dad just passed?along the following somewhat bawdy story! Hope nobody is offended... ?Two tall trees, a birch and a beech, are growing in the woods. A small? tree begins to grow between them, and the beech says to the birch, 'Is? that a son of a beech or a son of a birch?' The birch says he cannot tell. Just then a woodpecker lands on the? sapling. The birch says, 'Woodpecker, you are a tree expert. Can you tell? if that is a son of a beech or a son of a birch?' The woodpecker takes a taste of the small tree. He replies, 'It is neither? a son of a beech nor a son of a birch. It is, however, the best piece of? ash I have ever put my pecker in.' Went flying last night in a friend's '59 Beech Bonanza. What a fine airplane and a fine night for flying -- just the kind of picture-perfect summer evening that would be ideal for a Piet. If I hadn't been tired when I got home I would have done some more work on the Piet! More later! Fred B. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:03 AM PST US From: airlion@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Randy Bruce ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Various From: "MikeD" tbyh(at)aol.com wrote: > The discussions about wood are very timely as my dad just passed along the following somewhat bawdy story! Hope nobody is offended... > That's great.. and on the subject of wood.. When Jean Chretien was Prime Minister up here, naturally there were a zillion jokes about him, typically told with a poor attempt at a French-Canadian accent. One relates his days as a law student, and needing work between semesters he wandered around a few construction sites. One site had a "help wanted" sign posted, so Chretien walked up to the foreman and said "hey, how you going? I need work, and I am the man for you!" while proudly pointing at his chest. The foreman thought Chretien looked like a geek who had never even seen construction work before much less wield a shovel or a hammer. So, to get rid of him nicely he told Mr. Chretien that a short aptitude test was required.. "Mr. Chretien, you look like a smart fellow, so can you do this for me? I want you to take this piece of paper and pencil, and I want you to draw something to represent the number, umm.., nine. Okay? No letters or numbers, just a picture." "No problem! Gimme dat.." And Mr. Chretien proceeded to draw a picture of three trees in a row. "Okay, how do you get 9 from that?" asked the foreman, figuring he had him. "Is easy, see? Tree an tree an tree is nine!" "Oh brother.." moaned the foreman, realizing this might be tougher that he originally hoped. "Okay then, I want you to use that same picture and represent the number ninety-nine." "Ah, hmm.. okay! Got it, gimme da paper", whereby Mr. Chretien then took the picture and rubbed it face down on the ground. He held it out and said "dere you go.. is ninety nine!" A bit puzzled, the foreman asked him "So.. smart guy, how do you get ninety-nine from that?" "Is easy, see? Dirty tree and dirty tree and dirty tree is ninety nine." The foreman held his hand to his forehead, sighed and shook his head.. but decided to give it one more try to get rid of this yo-yo. So he asked "Alright then, last problem. Now use that picture and make it represent one hundred!" Mr. Chretien rubbed his chin for a moment, then exclaimed "Ah yes! Is easy again, gimme dat..", and this time he drew a little dog at the edge of the picture, and a pile of poop at the base of each tree. The foreman knew the game was up, and wearily asked "Okay, show me how this is one hundred.." Mr. Chretien gave him a knowing smile and said "Is easy too! look.. dere is little dog, and he take a poop under every tree, see? Now you got dirty tree and a turd, dirty tree and a turd, and dirty tree and a turd, and dat make one hundred!" He got the job. -------- Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189577#189577 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:24 AM PST US From: Roman Bukolt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Various FYI- It was my family's Company in Oshkosh Called "Pluswood Inc.", which made the plywood wing skins for the Mosquito bomber. Pluswood was a division of Lullabye Furniture Corp. in Stevens Point, which also owned a company called Northern Hardwood Veneers, based in Butternut, Wi. just north of Park Falls, Wi. They logged their own wood up near Boulder Junction,Wi. and eventually on Outer Island in the Apostle Island group outside of Bayfield, Wi. in Lake Superior. They also manufactured propellors for those red radio controlled target drones, which, incidentally were very difficult to shoot down, and they made the antenna masts for the Grumman Hellcat. Just a little history lesson. Roman Bukolt NX20795 do not archive On Jun 24, 2008, at 8:25 AM, tbyh@aol.com wrote: > As always, the info to be found on this blog is terrific! A couple > items: > > I recently had an article published in "Forward in Flight," the > magazine of the Wisconsin Aviation Hall of Fame. Topic: the annual > Pietenpol Reunion at Brodhead, Wisconsin. Title: "Field of Dreams." > If any of you would like a copy for your Pietenpol archives, send me > 50 cents and your address and I'll mail you a copy. Many thanks to > Don Emch and Bill Church for a couple of the photos used with the > article! Send your quarters to: Fred Beseler, 1619 Cass Street, La > Crosse, WI 54601. Or, if you can wait, I'll try to remember to > bring some freebie copies along to Brodhead. E-mail is: TBYH@aol.com > > One of my favorite movies is "633 Squadron." I recently picked up a > DVD copy -- as good as I remember when I saw it as a kid. As a > result the DH Mosquito has always been my favorite airplane.By the > way, the plywood for the Mosquito came from Wisconsin! The movie > stars Cliff Robertson and they used five REAL Mosquitos to make the > movie. The RAF had just recently retired the last of their Mossies > in the early 1960s when the movie was made and they scrounged up > three flyers and two taxi-able Mosquitos for the movie. They wrecked > a couple of them making the movie -- nobody was thinking historic > preservation at the time. Like a lot of flying movies it has a corny > plot but the flying scenes are outstanding. The attack on the hydro > plant uses models...and, by the way, it is said that George Lucas > was inspired by the 633 Squadron attack scenes when he made the > Death Star attack scenes in "Star Wars." > > I've always thought that a 5/8-scale Mosquito powered by a pair of > Jaguar V-12 engines would make a heck of a neat homebuilt project. > Have to finish the Piet project, first! (I understand there is a > fellow in New Zealand building an entirely new, from scratch full- > size Mosquito...that will be something to see when finished! > > The discussions about wood are very timely as my dad just passed > along the following somewhat bawdy story! Hope nobody is offended... > > Two tall trees, a birch and a beech, are growing in the woods. A > small > tree begins to grow between them, and the beech says to the birch, 'Is > that a son of a beech or a son of a birch?' > > The birch says he cannot tell. Just then a woodpecker lands on the > sapling. The birch says, 'Woodpecker, you are a tree expert. Can you > tell > if that is a son of a beech or a son of a birch?' > > The woodpecker takes a taste of the small tree. He replies, 'It is > neither > a son of a beech nor a son of a birch. It is, however, the best > piece of > ash I have ever put my pecker in.' > > Went flying last night in a friend's '59 Beech Bonanza. What a fine > airplane and a fine night for flying -- just the kind of picture- > perfect summer evening that would be ideal for a Piet. If I hadn't > been tired when I got home I would have done some more work on the > Piet! > > More later! > Fred B. > > > Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news, & more! > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:51 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: movies... off topic Cheee-! You guys made me do it... I just bid on a VHS of "The Great Waldo Pepper" on eBay, so don't go bid against me now. Sounds like a must-have. For you folks who like a good movie that has machines in it, try "The World's Fastest Indian" with Anthony Hopkins. Pretty cool! Even my wife liked it. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tribute From: "chase143" A friend sent me this link to an article he wrote recently, honoring a mutual friend we both flew with in OIF. If you have a minute, it's a good read. Jack- (or anyone) if you go to Oshkosh you should look up Smokey, he's got more RV-4 experience then just about anyone I know, and he is quite a character! http://www.vansairforce.net/articles/Wolfie/Wolfman.htm Steve Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189599#189599 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:00 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: movies... off topic Oscar, I am certain this will have a much greater impact on her than some movie about Gandhi actually I have no idea why anyone would call him the worlds fastest Indian , maybe worlds best fasting Indian, hey what do I know? All that matters is she enjoyed it! That being said she's gonna love ya for the "Great Waldo Pepper" come to think of it I may need another copy, where did you say you were bidding on it? I sure hope you get it before long so you have plenty of time to study, John H is preparing a test and the depth of knowledge is un surpassed, good luck in your studies and enjoy the film. I keep track of talent.... you were in trouble with the law some time ago, that trouble is over yes? John In a message dated 6/24/2008 2:00:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga Cheee-! You guys made me do it... I just bid on a VHS of "The Great Waldo Pepper" on eBay, so don't go bid against me now. Sounds like a must-have. For you folks who like a good movie that has machines in it, try "The World's Fastest Indian" with Anthony Hopkins. Pretty cool! Even my wife liked it. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:20 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: movies... off topic On Jun 24, 2008, at 1:18 PM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: > I keep track of talent.... you were in trouble with the law some > time ago, that trouble is over yes? "No." "It is very nice to have met you, Mr. Brown." ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: say goodbye to ELT's helping you in a crash From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" Interesting reading. Hope they come if they see smoke now. ELTs were originally intended for use on the 121.5-MHz frequency to alert air traffic control and aircraft monitoring the frequency. In 1982 a satellite-based monitoring system was implemented (COSPAS-SARSAT) to provide a better receiving source for these signals. As of February 1, 2009, the international COSPAS-SARSAT satellite system will discontinue satellite-based monitoring of the 121.5/243-MHz frequencies, in part because of a high number of false signals attributed with these frequencies. While there's no requirement in the United States to replace the first- and second-generation 121.5-MHz ELTs, after this date, 121.5/243-MHz distress signals transmitted from ELTs operating on the lower frequency will only be detected by ground-based receivers such as local airport facilities and air traffic control facilities or by overflying aircraft. It is important to note that after 2009, existing 121.5-MHz ELTs, although still legal from the FAA's perspective, will provide extremely limited assistance if an aircraft crashes, especially in a remote location. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:01 PM PST US From: "Greg Chapman" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: say goodbye to ELT's helping you in a crash It would be good to give the rest of the story: Full story at http://www.sarsat.noaa.gov/emerbcns.html "Different types of ELTs are currently in use. There are approximately 170,000 of the older generation 121.5 MHz ELTs in service. Unfortunately, these have proven to be highly ineffective. They have a 97% false alarm rate, activate properly in only 12% of crashes, and provide no identification data. In order to fix this problem 406 MHz ELTs were developed to work specifically with the Cospas-Sarsat system. These ELTs dramatically reduce the false alert impact on SAR resources, have a higher accident survivability success rate, and decrease the time required to reach accident victims by an average of 6 hours. " And the real rest of the story is that the 406 Mhz models cost 3 times as much as the old ones. If you want ELT coverage, you want the 406 but you'll have to pay. Greg Chapman http://www.mousetrax.com http://www.layer1wireless.com "Don't start with me or I'll replace you with a small and efficient script!" From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: say goodbye to ELT's helping you in a crash Interesting reading. Hope they come if they see smoke now. ELTs were originally intended for use on the 121.5-MHz frequency to alert air traffic control and aircraft monitoring the frequency. In 1982 a satellite-based monitoring system was implemented (COSPAS-SARSAT) to provide a better receiving source for these signals. As of February 1, 2009, the international COSPAS-SARSAT satellite system will discontinue satellite-based monitoring of the 121.5/243-MHz frequencies, in part because of a high number of false signals attributed with these frequencies. While there's no requirement in the United States to replace the first- and second-generation 121.5-MHz ELTs, after this date, 121.5/243-MHz distress signals transmitted from ELTs operating on the lower frequency will only be detected by ground-based receivers such as local airport facilities and air traffic control facilities or by overflying aircraft. It is important to note that after 2009, existing 121.5-MHz ELTs, although still legal from the FAA's perspective, will provide extremely limited assistance if an aircraft crashes, especially in a remote location. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:38 PM PST US From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: say goodbye to ELT's helping you in a crash So does the 406 price eventually drop to a more unreasonable amount? That is my $64 question! Boyce **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:22 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT's Hi all,, My question is whether anybody is actually going to be listening when my 406 ELT ($$$$)goes off, and for that matter are "they" going to dispatch emergency rescuers to my crash scene, without somebody actually declaring that I am missing? Somehow I don't put a lot of faith in "them". Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:59 PM PST US From: "Greg Chapman" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: say goodbye to ELT's helping you in a crash History says it does.but only after the first 525,000 of us buy it at the more expensive rate. ;) Greg Chapman http://www.mousetrax.com http://www.layer1wireless.com "Don't start with me or I'll replace you with a small and efficient script!" From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: say goodbye to ELT's helping you in a crash So does the 406 price eventually drop to a more unreasonable amount? That is my $64 question! Boyce _____ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:41 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ELT's The 406 ELTs are received by satellite and there certainly people listening all the time that will start the search/rescue process. I have done ship electronics for a long time and I sold many hundreds or thousands of 406 ELTs (called EPIRB in marine version) when the requirements to carry them instead of the 121.5 units came out about 12 years ago. We first started selling them at about $1,200 and the price steadily declined over the years. I think they are about $600 now. The ship ones are much bigger, designed to float, and have a hydrostatic release that releases them from the mount at a certain water depth so they float to the surface. I did talk to one of the manufacturers at Sun N Fun and asked if they thought the price would come down on the aviation units like they did on the marine ones. He said no, but that is the same story we got when the marine ones were first being sold. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:27 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT's Hi all,, My question is whether anybody is actually going to be listening when my 406 ELT ($$$$)goes off, and for that matter are "they" going to dispatch emergency rescuers to my crash scene, without somebody actually declaring that I am missing? Somehow I don't put a lot of faith in "them". Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:13 PM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ELT's I was working with EMS in Ottawa to certify a 406 ELT. The project was shelved. But at the time they were targeting $800. I hear rumours in the avionics underground that someone else will be introducing a 406 in that price range soon. Wait and see. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: June 24, 2008 4:54 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ELT's The 406 ELTs are received by satellite and there certainly people listening all the time that will start the search/rescue process. I have done ship electronics for a long time and I sold many hundreds or thousands of 406 ELTs (called EPIRB in marine version) when the requirements to carry them instead of the 121.5 units came out about 12 years ago. We first started selling them at about $1,200 and the price steadily declined over the years. I think they are about $600 now. The ship ones are much bigger, designed to float, and have a hydrostatic release that releases them from the mount at a certain water depth so they float to the surface. I did talk to one of the manufacturers at Sun N Fun and asked if they thought the price would come down on the aviation units like they did on the marine ones. He said no, but that is the same story we got when the marine ones were first being sold. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:27 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT's Hi all,, My question is whether anybody is actually going to be listening when my 406 ELT ($$$$)goes off, and for that matter are "they" going to dispatch emergency rescuers to my crash scene, without somebody actually declaring that I am missing? Somehow I don't put a lot of faith in "them". Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: trigger rates From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" I read that 25% of ELT's go off in an accident but I believe it must be jarred beyond a certain g-loading so if you have a gentle (less violent ?) accident it won't go off. Years back a line guy friend was out in a 150 and set the ELT off on a hard landing. He didn't' realize it until his boss wanted to know "who was the last one who flew 1234 Tango last night ?????" the next day. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:02 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Keeping my old ELT Guys, I think I'll just keep my old 121.5 ELT and switch it between my two airplanes whenever I fly. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:24 PM PST US From: "Greg Chapman" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ELT's "They" are the same people who were wondering why all that beeping was going off on 121.5 so the answer is that the response really couldn't get any worse by moving to a more reliable system. Poplar Grove, eh? I've driven more than one cylinder out there for an overhaul! Greg Chapman http://www.mousetrax.com http://www.layer1wireless.com "Don't start with me or I'll replace you with a small and efficient script!" From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT's Hi all,, My question is whether anybody is actually going to be listening when my 406 ELT ($$$$)goes off, and for that matter are "they" going to dispatch emergency rescuers to my crash scene, without somebody actually declaring that I am missing? Somehow I don't put a lot of faith in "them". Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:28 PM PST US From: "Greg Chapman" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ELT's Aircraft Spruce has them at just under $1k at the moment. Will be good to have a little more price competition there. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/artexme406.php Greg Chapman http://www.mousetrax.com http://www.layer1wireless.com "Don't start with me or I'll replace you with a small and efficient script!" From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Gow Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ELT's I was working with EMS in Ottawa to certify a 406 ELT. The project was shelved. But at the time they were targeting $800. I hear rumours in the avionics underground that someone else will be introducing a 406 in that price range soon. Wait and see. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: June 24, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ELT's The 406 ELTs are received by satellite and there certainly people listening all the time that will start the search/rescue process. I have done ship electronics for a long time and I sold many hundreds or thousands of 406 ELTs (called EPIRB in marine version) when the requirements to carry them instead of the 121.5 units came out about 12 years ago. We first started selling them at about $1,200 and the price steadily declined over the years. I think they are about $600 now. The ship ones are much bigger, designed to float, and have a hydrostatic release that releases them from the mount at a certain water depth so they float to the surface. I did talk to one of the manufacturers at Sun N Fun and asked if they thought the price would come down on the aviation units like they did on the marine ones. He said no, but that is the same story we got when the marine ones were first being sold. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT's Hi all,, My question is whether anybody is actually going to be listening when my 406 ELT ($$$$)goes off, and for that matter are "they" going to dispatch emergency rescuers to my crash scene, without somebody actually declaring that I am missing? Somehow I don't put a lot of faith in "them". Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. _____ Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars . href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:16 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying to brodhead You have a problem sir and I think it may be with your firewall.Nothing is coming through, ever.We see blanks from you every time. ----- Original Message ---- From: "airlion@bellsouth.net" Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:02:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying to brodhead ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:55 PM PST US From: airlion@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying to brodhead ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:33 PM PST US From: airlion@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: say goodbye to ELT's helping you in a crash ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:58 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: say goodbye to ELT's helping you in a crash airlion - Your emails are still blank. Might I suggest you send a test message to the list, then fire up your browser and see if you can see it on the matronics web site at: http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=7&sid=ff1f5941c083724fa7e2f3fedc38e4ba If you can't read your messages, we sure can't. Jim -----Original Message----- >From: airlion@bellsouth.net >Sent: Jun 24, 2008 9:01 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: say goodbye to ELT's helping you in a crash > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:32 PM PST US From: Pastor M F Townsley Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet list emails Hey guys, As you can see below Gardiner (airlion@bellsouth.net) emailed me and the message came through great....so there must be a problem on the matronics end? Mike in Iowa This one you sent came through to me. Just fine. airlion@bellsouth.net wrote: > My emails to my wife are going through to susangmason@GMAIL.COM > thanks for the comback, Gardiner. > > > -------------- Original message from Pastor M F Townsley > : -------------- > > > > Hi I am on the matronics pietenpol email list. I noticed that > for some > > reason your emails are coming in blank. > > I wonder if your firewall is blocking your messages or you have > a virus > > or what? Sometimes it is darn hard to figure out. > > Try sending me an email at miket@southslope.net and see if it goes > > through ok. > > God bless, > > Mike > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:29 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: trigger rates At Sun n Fun a few years back, I was wondering the flight line in the evening. At that time of day, there's very little pedestrian traffic, so when I saw a small crowd, I wandered over to see what was so interesting. It turned out to be a squad of the local CAP kids responding to an ELT signal. The plane was locked and nobody was to be found, so they were wrapping the tailcone of the plane with foil to cage in the radio signal. On talking with them, the satellite was what picked it up, not the local receivers. Apparently they typically got a few of these cases during SNF every year. Don't forget to turn your ELT off when you leave your plane. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" >Sent: Jun 24, 2008 5:10 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: trigger rates > > >I read that 25% of ELT's go off in an accident but I believe it must be >jarred beyond a certain g-loading so if you have >a gentle (less violent ?) accident it won't go off. > >Years back a line guy friend was out in a 150 and set the ELT off on a >hard landing. He didn't' realize it until his boss >wanted to know "who was the last one who flew 1234 Tango last night >?????" the next day. > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:08 PM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: piet list emails email set to some unusual text perhaps? Hey guys, As you can see below Gardiner (airlion@bellsouth.net) emailed me and the message came through great....so there must be a problem on the matronics end? Mike in Iowa This one you sent came through to me. Just fine. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:36 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying to brodhead Dear Airlion: - Please do not post until you can figure out what is wrong with your system. ... Try trouble shooting your system and get help with postings/email messages. - Thank You- Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - --- On Tue, 6/24/08, airlion@bellsouth.net wrote: From: airlion@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying to brodhead =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:20 PM PST US From: "Steve Ruse" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper Where are you finding these cheap copies? On Amazon, the prices I see range from about $55 to $150! I know all pilots are supposed to be rich, but that is a little steep for me, almost a couple of hours of Piet fuel. Steve Ruse Norman, OK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper > > > > Oscar, > > I read with utter amazement and disillusionment that you admitted to > having never > seen The Great Waldo Pepper ? Your life will not be complete until you > see that. > You can find cheap DVD copies on Amazon. > > Mike C. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.