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1. 02:44 AM - Re: cockpit combing aluminum (HelsperSew@aol.com)
2. 03:17 AM - Inspiration (HelsperSew@aol.com)
3. 03:50 AM - GN-1 Weight & Balance (John Franklin)
4. 04:44 AM - Rotec Powered Jr. Ace (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
5. 05:36 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 47 Msgs - 07/02/08 (tbyh@aol.com)
6. 05:53 AM - looking for an engine mount (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
7. 05:57 AM - Re: cockpit combing aluminum (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
8. 06:07 AM - Re: Inspiration (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
9. 06:16 AM - Re: Inspiration (Bill Church)
10. 06:34 AM - my hubs were lost, but now they are found! (Douwe Blumberg)
11. 06:36 AM - Oven Baked Paint (Jack T. Textor)
12. 06:44 AM - Re: my hubs were lost, but now they are found! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
13. 07:03 AM - Re: my hubs were lost, but now they are found! (Gary Boothe)
14. 07:25 AM - Re: GN-1 Weight & Balance (Thomas Bernie)
15. 09:35 AM - Re: Inspiration (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
16. 09:54 AM - Re: Oven Baked Paint (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
17. 10:34 AM - Re: Oven Baked Paint (Bill Church)
18. 10:34 AM - Oven Baked Paint (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
19. 11:44 AM - Re: Oven Baked Paint (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
20. 12:02 PM - Re: Oven Baked Paint (John Hofmann)
21. 01:48 PM - Re: Fedex Issues (PatrickW)
22. 01:55 PM - Re: Oven Baked Paint (Jack T. Textor)
23. 01:58 PM - Re: Re: Fedex Issues (Gary Boothe)
24. 03:10 PM - Re: looking for an engine mount (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
25. 04:19 PM - Re: Inspiration (H RULE)
26. 06:28 PM - 1.7 oz. fabric (was Poly Fiber) (Oscar Zuniga)
27. 06:46 PM - Mr. Santiago Morete (HelsperSew@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: cockpit combing aluminum |
I just finished my cowling. For around the engine (model A) I used .032 3003
aluminum because I wanted to put some louvers in it and 2024 is too hard
(cracks when you try to form the louvers). Then behind that I used .025 2024
aluminum. Seems thin but works just fine because the gentle bend around the
instrument panel really stiffens it up.
Dan Helsper
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Hi gang,
If you want some inspiration, go to _http://www.youtube.com/Taildragger7W_
(http://www.youtube.com/Taildragger7W) and watch. My down-the-taxiway neighbor
just flew his Pober Jr. Ace last week for the first time after spending 13
years building it. This airplane is a cousin of a Piet. Beautiful!!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | GN-1 Weight & Balance |
Sorry for the late post on this subject but just didn't see it earlier...I'm fortunate
to have both the original and the later CAD versions of the GN-1 plans,
and I've attached a copy of the page of the original plans that shows weight
& balance info, specifically for N4705G. Hope it helps.
Regards,
John F.
Richmond, TX
GN-1 / Corvair 164cid
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| Subject: | Rotec Powered Jr. Ace |
Just fantastic looking Dan ! That gentlemen really did a number on
turning the Pober Jr. Ace into a totally new look.
I'll bet the Rotec people are going to eat that up if he takes it to
Oshkosh like we all did with Dick Navratil's Rotec Air Camper
last year.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 47 Msgs - 07/02/08 |
Speaking of scisoors and pairs....why do golfers wear two pair of pants?
In case they get a hole in one.
Happy 4th of July everyone!
Fred B.?
La Crosse
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| Subject: | looking for an engine mount |
Hi all,
I am looking for an engine mount for my Piet or a jig or some assistance in
coming up with a suitable mounting system where hopefully the wb does not
become a major factor in re design. I know tooth fairy and all that good stuff
but thought I would ask is anyone had any idea or suggestions
Just in case someone has a jig or design or drawing to loan its a Lycoming
0235 engine with the conical mount. My Piet is a wide body to 27" outside
dimension of the longerons.
Any assistance, advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
John Recine
NX895BP reserved
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| Subject: | Re: cockpit combing aluminum |
Dan,
You got pics? I would love to see them. I have som of that material in stock
and was planning on using it for similar purposes.
Thanks
John Recine
In a message dated 7/3/2008 5:45:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
HelsperSew@aol.com writes:
I just finished my cowling. For around the engine (model A) I used .032 3003
aluminum because I wanted to put some louvers in it and 2024 is too hard
(cracks when you try to form the louvers). Then behind that I used .025 2024
aluminum. Seems thin but works just fine because the gentle bend around the
instrument panel really stiffens it up.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Wow,
Talk about inspiration, that was great! Anybody got a match? I think I need
to have a smoke after that one.
Thanks for the look Dan!
John
In a message dated 7/3/2008 6:18:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
HelsperSew@aol.com writes:
Hi gang,
If you want some inspiration, go to _http://www.youtube.com/Taildragger7W_
(http://www.youtube.com/Taildragger7W) and watch. My down-the-taxiway neighbor
just flew his Pober Jr. Ace last week for the first time after spending 13
years building it. This airplane is a cousin of a Piet. Beautiful!!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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eeewwwwwwww.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Inspiration
Wow,
Talk about inspiration, that was great! Anybody got a match? I think I need
to have a smoke after that one.
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| Subject: | my hubs were lost, but now they are found! |
Well, God is good!
After I filed a BIG claim with fedex, I waited two weeks and called for an
status update to be told that their records show the package as being
recovered back on teh 26th and delivered to Buchannans. Called Buchannans
and yep, they've been there a week!
Wish both companies had communicated a bit quicker, but I'm just glad they
were found, and thanks for all your emails.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Oven Baked Paint |
Happy Independence Day All,
What a privilege to live in the USA! A question for those that have
baked their spray painted parts in an oven. Ours is new and I was
wondering if the odor ruins the stove or just lingers awhile. Was
planning to use appliance paint then bake at 250 for a half hour.
Thanks for the help!
Jack
www.textors.com
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| Subject: | my hubs were lost, but now they are found! |
FANTASTIC !!!
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| Subject: | my hubs were lost, but now they are found! |
Douwe,
You're on streak...grab flight to 'Vegas!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(10 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: my hubs were lost, but now they are found!
<douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Well, God is good!
After I filed a BIG claim with fedex, I waited two weeks and called for an
status update to be told that their records show the package as being
recovered back on teh 26th and delivered to Buchannans. Called Buchannans
and yep, they've been there a week!
Wish both companies had communicated a bit quicker, but I'm just glad they
were found, and thanks for all your emails.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 Weight & Balance |
John,
The the numbers, typos and errors on your original plans are the same
as my CAD plans. The final limits are almost the same, however it is
a real head scratcher as to how they were derived. Assuming my GN-1
is built to specifications (I weigh 195), would you like go out and do
stalls with me?
Thanks,
Tom
EMPTY
left -- 326 x 7.5 = 2445
right -- 323 x 7.5 = 2422
tail -- 30 x 169 = 5070
a/c weight = 679
moment = 9937
empty weight c. g. = 14.635
FWD
a/c -- 679 x 14.635 = 9937
oil -- 8 x -23 = -184
pilot -- 170 x 53 = 9010
fuel -- 72 x -1.5 = -108
a/c weight = 929
moment = 18655
fwd c.g. = 20.08 (33.5%)
AFT
a/c -- 679 x 14.635 = 9937
oil -- 8 x -23 = -184
pilot -- 170 x 53 = 9010
passenger -- 170 x 24 = 4080
fuel -- 72 x -1.5 = -108
a/c weight = 1099
moment = 22735
aft c.g. = 20.7 (34.5%)
On Jul 3, 2008, at 6:48 AM, John Franklin wrote:
> Sorry for the late post on this subject but just didn't see it
> earlier...I'm fortunate to have both the original and the later CAD
> versions of the GN-1 plans, and I've attached a copy of the page of
> the original plans that shows weight & balance info, specifically
> for N4705G. Hope it helps.
>
> Regards,
> John F.
> Richmond, TX
> GN-1 / Corvair 164cid
>
> ________________________________________<GN1_W&B_1.pdf>
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And I don't even smoke, it was just that good!
In a message dated 7/3/2008 9:17:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
eng@canadianrogers.com writes:
eeewwwwwwww.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Inspiration
Wow,
Talk about inspiration, that was great! Anybody got a match? I think I need
to have a smoke after that one.
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| Subject: | Re: Oven Baked Paint |
In a message dated 7/3/2008 8:37:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
jtextor@thepalmergroup.com writes:
"....A question for those that have baked their spray painted parts in an
oven. Ours is new and I was wondering if the odor ruins the stove or just
lingers awhile. Was planning to use appliance paint then bake at 250 for a half
hour."
Dear Jack,
That depends entirely on if you are married or not. If so, do you wish to
remain that way?
...Chrissi
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
www.CozyGirrrl.com
Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo
Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details
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| Subject: | Oven Baked Paint |
Jack,
There is an option that I recently read about, regarding baking some parts
for a Corvair rebuild.
The technique involves taking advantage of a day or so when one's wife is
away for the day.
Basically, you use the oven for your "non-food" items, and when you are
finished, you run the oven through a self-clean cycle. Whatever fumes there
might have been get burned off (or at least masked by that oven cleaning
smell), but the oven is clean, which might win you some brownie points
(depending on how out of character your actions would be). I don't think
there could possibly be any residual smell from the paint.
On the other hand, are you talking about the spray cans of appliance
touch-up paint? I think that stuff is usually air-dry, and I'm not sure that
baking it will give any benefit. Generally speaking, air-dry paints are
supposed to be dried at normal room temperature (roughly), and baking
enamels (which are more durable) must be baked to cure properly. Then there
is powdercoating, which is a tough finish that can only cure by baking
(basically the heat melts the powder onto the metal, forming a mechanical
bond rather than the chemical bond with most paints). One other option for a
tough paint finish is epoxy, which does not need to be baked.
Here's a link to the website, by a former Piet lister, Robert Haines:
http://www.hainesengineering.com/rhaines/corvair.htm
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Oven Baked Paint |
Jack,
We met her last summer at Brodhead and she's not going to leave you.
Any wife who endures Brodhead
is greatly committed. One who endures and enjoys is should be
committed:))
Bake away I say !!!!!!!!
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Oven Baked Paint |
One quick thing about chemicals and the oven (besides the obvious).
If you have a pet bird, don't do this. Birds are light, in order to be light
they have very little body fluids.. very little blood, small efficient
organs. They used them in mines because they succumb very quickly to toxins.
Most bird owners do not cook with teflon because of this.
No telling what is going to outgas from the paint even at 250 degF. We have
to take "Kitty" out of the house for the day when we run the self-cleaning
cycle on the oven because of the oven's non-stick coating and +500degF temps
during this cycle.
Randi with "Kitty"....
...Chrissi
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| Subject: | Re: Oven Baked Paint |
Tastes like chicken.
Sorry....
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John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jul 3, 2008, at 1:40 PM, CozyGirrrl@aol.com wrote:
> One quick thing about chemicals and the oven (besides the obvious).
> If you have a pet bird, don't do this. Birds are light, in order to
> be light they have very little body fluids.. very little blood,
> small efficient organs. They used them in mines because they succumb
> very quickly to toxins.
> Most bird owners do not cook with teflon because of this.
> No telling what is going to outgas from the paint even at 250 degF.
> We have to take "Kitty" out of the house for the day when we run the
> self-cleaning cycle on the oven because of the oven's non-stick
> coating and +500degF temps during this cycle.
> Randi with "Kitty"....
> <kitty9.jpg>
> ...Chrissi
>
>
> Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient
> used cars.
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| Subject: | Re: Fedex Issues |
I worry about this sort of thing.
Awaiting several thousand dollars worth of long lead-time engine parts. No idea
when the parts ship. Maybe today. Maybe 6 months from now. Maybe 6 months
ago... :-(
The subdivision where I live has a lot of similarly named streets. "Blackhawk
Road", "Blackhawk Street", "Blackhawk Way", etc. I frequently get mail intended
for somebody else.
Came home one time and somebodies dog was tied up in my yard. The address on it's
tag was for somebody else's house, but the number was the same as my house
(the only difference being "street" versus "avenue").
Patrick
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Patrick
601XL/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
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| Subject: | Oven Baked Paint |
Thanks so much to all for the great input. CozyGirrrl, I will keep the
windows closed to protect the birds outside, plus it might give me more
of a buzz than acetone. Mike I will bring Susan to Brodhead if she
survives. Bill, I will test some parts "unbaked" first.
Happy and safe 4th to all,
Jack
www.textors.com <http://www.textors.com/>
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| Subject: | Re: Fedex Issues |
Was it a good hunting dog?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(10 ribs down.)
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PatrickW
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fedex Issues
I worry about this sort of thing.
Awaiting several thousand dollars worth of long lead-time engine parts. No
idea when the parts ship. Maybe today. Maybe 6 months from now. Maybe 6
months ago... :-(
The subdivision where I live has a lot of similarly named streets.
"Blackhawk Road", "Blackhawk Street", "Blackhawk Way", etc. I frequently
get mail intended for somebody else.
Came home one time and somebodies dog was tied up in my yard. The address
on it's tag was for somebody else's house, but the number was the same as my
house (the only difference being "street" versus "avenue").
Patrick
--------
Patrick
601XL/Corvair
N63PZ (reserved)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191139#191139
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| Subject: | Re: looking for an engine mount |
John,
-
If you try this individual, -Greg Klemp--Tel: 920.293.8089---at
Specialty Welding (you can do an Internet search and should find his web s
ite) he is just the man you need. As I recall, -he was the individual beh
ind the scenes for many aircraft engine mounts-to include Sonex and other
kit plane manufacturers. Excellent workmanship, very price conscious, and
a pilot understanding the needs of builder.
-
He welds aluminum, magnesium, mild and cast, Heliarc, wire feed, stick, and
gas.
Other services include: Building engine mounts from prints, custom building
exhaust to specifications, and building fuel tanks. I have utilized his se
rvices for other aircraft and he comes highly recommended.
-
Heck, if you mention my name you could either get a higher price or maybe a
lower price.....either way you will get it right and a very professional r
esults. If anything it is worth a chit-chat over the phone...
-
Hope this helps....
-
Ken H
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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--- On Thu, 7/3/08, AMsafetyC@aol.com <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com <AMsafetyC@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: looking for an engine mount
Hi all,
-
I am looking for an engine mount for my Piet or a jig or some assistance in
coming up with a suitable mounting system where hopefully the wb does not
become a major factor in re design. I know tooth fairy and all that good st
uff but thought I would ask is anyone had any idea or suggestions-
-
Just in case someone-has a jig or design or drawing to loan its a Lycomin
g 0235 engine with the conical mount. My-Piet is a wide body to 27" outsi
de dimension of the longerons.
-
Any assistance, advice would be greatly appreciated.
-
-
Thanks
-
John Recine
NX895BP reserved-
Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.
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That is such a cool lookin aircraft!=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0A
From: "AMsafetyC@aol.com" <AMsafetyC@aol.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronic
s.com=0ASent: Thursday, July 3, 2008 9:04:26 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-Li
st: Inspiration=0A=0AWow,=0A-=0ATalk about inspiration, that was great! A
nybody got a match? I think I need to have a smoke after that one.=0A-=0A
Thanks for the look Dan!=0A-=0AJohn=0A-=0AIn a message dated 7/3/2008 6
:18:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HelsperSew@aol.com writes:=0AHi gang,=0A
-=0AIf you want some inspiration, go to http://www.youtube.com/Taildragge
r7W-and watch. My down-the-taxiway neighbor just flew his Pober Jr. Ace l
ast week for the first time after spending 13 years building it. This airpl
ane is a cousin of a Piet. Beautiful!!! =0A-=0ADan Helsper=0APoplar Grove
, IL.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AGas prices getting y
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| Subject: | 1.7 oz. fabric (was Poly Fiber) |
I asked my friend Jeff Scott (A&P, builder/pilot of several homebuilts including
fabric, EAA Tech Counselor) about the use of 1.7 oz. fabric. Indeed, Ceconite
had (or has) a product that they call "Ceconite Light", which they say is "a
1.7 oz. fabric designed for ultralights, gliders, and certified light aircraft
with a wing loading of less than 9 pounds per square foot. It can usually
be used on light planes with engines less than 85 HP. Do not use on aircraft
with high wing loadings or big engines. Meets TSO C-14b" (from the Ceconite manual;
I've sent Matt the .pdf scan of this page from the Ceconite manual for
uploading to the Piet list file share).
I assume that the PolyFiber (Stits) 1.7 oz. fabric is similar to, if not identical
to, the Ceconite material.
The specs for the Pietenpol Air Camper are for a gross weight of 1,081 lbs., wing
area of 140 s.f., and of course most are powered with 85 HP or smaller engines.
The specified wing loading works out to less than 8 lbs./s.f. The wing
loading has to do with how stressed the fabric covering on the wings will be,
and I assume that the recommended max horsepower has to do with how much torsional
strength the fuselage needs to have as well as how much it will see in the
way of slipstream and prop wash buffeting, but that's just a guess.
You can use heavier fabric but I don't believe it's necessary.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Mr. Santiago Morete |
Hi everyone,
I am honored to announce, that after many months of jumping through hoops
for the American Embassy, in order to get a visa to enter the U.S., Mr.
Santiago Morete from Santa Rosa, Argentina, will be accompanying me to this year's
Brodhead Pietenpol Gathering. It is a dream come true for him and will be his
first visit to the U.S. We will be arriving on Friday morning via my
Aeronca Sedan (weather permitting). As many of you know, he and his older brother
have been working on their Piet for some time. If you go to Chris Tracy's site
(westcoastpiet.com) you can see the quality work they are doing. If you get
a chance please try to give him a warm American welcome to the U.S., and
introduce yourself. I am sure he will really appreciate it! See you there!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
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