---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/18/08: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:26 AM - Re: Best movie flying scenes (H RULE) 2. 06:51 AM - Re: Best movie flying scenes (Pastor Mike) 3. 07:06 AM - Re: Best movie flying scenes (Dave Abramson) 4. 07:21 AM - Re: Best movie flying scenes (John Recine) 5. 08:11 AM - best movie scenes (Dick Navratil) 6. 09:11 AM - Re: best movie scenes (Pastor Mike) 7. 09:20 AM - Re: Best movie flying scenes (gcardinal@comcast.net) 8. 12:35 PM - Re: Best movie flying scenes (Bill Church) 9. 01:00 PM - Re: Best movie flying scenes (Dave Abramson) 10. 05:59 PM - Greetings (mr-fix-all) 11. 06:37 PM - Re: Greetings (John Recine) 12. 06:49 PM - Re: Greetings (Glenn Thomas) 13. 09:55 PM - Re: Greetings (gcardinal) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:07 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes At first glance I thought it was Paddy Wagstaff but after going to youtube and looking for her stuff,it doesn't look like her plane but she sure flys her.In my opinion Paddy is the best aerobatics in the world and she could h ave me if she played her cards right!=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ---- =0AFrom: jeremy bramall =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matr onics.com=0ASent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:50:32 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pieten pol-List: Best movie flying scenes=0A=0A=0AI watched one of the related vid eos after this clip.- It was labeled Dancing in the hands of God.- I do n't watch much aerobatics and don't know who she is, but I love her!=0A- =0ACheck it out, here is the link.=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7j4- AJV4KU&feature=related=0A=0A-=0AJeremy in Dallas=0A-=0A=0APastor Mike or Mike =0A=0A=0AHere is a scene from "High Road to China" =0A=0Ahttp://www .youtube.com/watch?v=16nV7g3rFoU=0A=0ATom Selleck is the drunk, Bess is t he aerobatic pilot!=0AMike in Iowa=0A=0APastor Mike wrote:=0A> --> Pietenpo l-List message posted by: Pastor Mike =0A>=0A> The flying and music from "O ut of Africa" was beautiful!! It reminded =0A> me of some of the movie "Hig h Road to China", my favorite flying =0A> movie..but I have not seen "Out o f Africa" yet, so I am going to get it!=0A> Thanks=0A> Pastor Mike in Iowa mike" =0A>> =0A>>=0A>> With all the talk about great flying movies, I wasn' t going to challenge=0A>> anyone.=0A>> However, two of my favorite scenes a re from=0A>> "Out of Africa" =0A>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TPYwwK AVA8&feature=related=0A>>=0A>> and from=0A>> "Never Cry Wolf"=0A>> http:/ ==== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:18 AM PST US From: Pastor Mike Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes That gal in the video is an Eastern Europe or Russian gal who I heard once was a former women's aerobatic champion. Mike in Iowa H RULE wrote: > At first glance I thought it was Paddy Wagstaff but after going to > youtube and looking for her stuff,it doesn't look like her plane but > she sure flys her.In my opinion Paddy is the best aerobatics in the > world and she could have me if she played her cards right! > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: jeremy bramall > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:50:32 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes > > I watched one of the related videos after this clip. It was labeled > Dancing in the hands of God. I don't watch much aerobatics and don't > know who she is, but I love her! > > Check it out, here is the link. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7j4-AJV4KU&feature=related > > > Jeremy in Dallas > > > */Pastor Mike /* wrote: > > > > Here is a scene from "High Road to China" > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16nV7g3rFoU > > Tom Selleck is the drunk, Bess is the aerobatic pilot! > Mike in Iowa > > Pastor Mike wrote: > > > > The flying and music from "Out of Africa" was beautiful!! It > reminded > > me of some of the movie "High Road to China", my favorite flying > > movie..but I have not seen "Out of Africa" yet, so I am going to > get it! > > Thanks > > Pastor Mike in Iowa > > > > bike.mike wrote: > >> > >> > >> With all the talk about great flying movies, I wasn't going to > challenge > >> anyone. > >> However, two of my favorite scenes are from > >> "Out of Africa" > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TPYwwKAVA8&feature=related > >> > >> and from > >> "Never Cry Wolf" > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD9RCz0C7sA&feature=related > >> > > * > > > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:09 AM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes Russian stunt pilot.... won some championships too!!!!!! several clips of her..... she is easy on the eyes! Dave do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jeremy bramall Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:51 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes I watched one of the related videos after this clip. It was labeled Dancing in the hands of God. I don't watch much aerobatics and don't know who she is, but I love her! Check it out, here is the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7j4-AJV4KU&feature=related Jeremy in Dallas Pastor Mike wrote: Here is a scene from "High Road to China" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16nV7g3rFoU Tom Selleck is the drunk, Bess is the aerobatic pilot! Mike in Iowa Pastor Mike wrote: > > The flying and music from "Out of Africa" was beautiful!! It reminded > me of some of the movie "High Road to China", my favorite flying > movie..but I have not seen "Out of Africa" yet, so I am going to get it! > Thanks > Pastor Mike in Iowa > > bike.mike wrote: >> >> >> With all the talk about great flying movies, I wasn't going to challenge >> anyone. >> However, two of my favorite scenes are from >> "Out of Africa" >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TPYwwKAVA8&feature=related >> >> and from >> "Never Cry Wolf" >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD9RCz0C7sA&feature=related >> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes From: "John Recine" RWFybnN0IEtlc3NsZXIgdGhlIEdlcm1hbiBBY2UgaGUgd2FzIHNwZWNpYWwgaGUgc2hvdCBkb3du IDcwIHBsYW5lcyBhbmQgbGl2ZWQgdG8gdGVsbCB0aGUgdGFsZS4gIFNob290aW5nIGRvd24gQW1l cmljYW5zIGRvZXNuJ3QgbWFrZSBhIG1hbiBzcGVjaWFsLCAgYSBnb29kIGRheXMgd29yayB0aGF0 J3Mgd2hhdCBJIGNhbGwgc3BlY2lhbC4NClNlbnQgZnJvbSBteSBWZXJpem9uIFdpcmVsZXNzIEJs YWNrQmVycnkNCg0KLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0NCkZyb206ICJEYXZlIEFicmFt c29uIiA8ZGF2ZWFAc3ltYm9saWNkaXNwbGF5cy5jb20+DQoNCkRhdGU6IEZyaSwgMTggSnVsIDIw MDggMDc6MDE6NTYgDQpUbzogPHBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+DQpTdWJqZWN0 OiBSRTogUGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3Q6IEJlc3QgbW92aWUgZmx5aW5nIHNjZW5lcw0KDQoNClJ1c3Np YW4gc3R1bnQgcGlsb3QuLi4uICB3b24gc29tZSBjaGFtcGlvbnNoaXBzIHRvbyEhISEhISBzZXZl cmFsIGNsaXBzICBvZg0KaGVyLi4uLi4gc2hlIGlzIGVhc3kgb24gdGhlIGV5ZXMhDQpEYXZlDQpk byBub3QgYXJjaGl2ZQ0KICAtLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KICBGcm9tOiBvd25l ci1waWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdC1zZXJ2ZXJAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQ0KW21haWx0bzpvd25lci1waWV0 ZW5wb2wtbGlzdC1zZXJ2ZXJAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbV1PbiBCZWhhbGYgT2YgamVyZW15DQpicmFt YWxsDQogIFNlbnQ6IFRodXJzZGF5LCBKdWx5IDE3LCAyMDA4IDc6NTEgUE0NCiAgVG86IHBpZXRl bnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20NCiAgU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiBC ZXN0IG1vdmllIGZseWluZyBzY2VuZXMNCg0KDQogIEkgd2F0Y2hlZCBvbmUgb2YgdGhlIHJlbGF0 ZWQgdmlkZW9zIGFmdGVyIHRoaXMgY2xpcC4gIEl0IHdhcyBsYWJlbGVkDQpEYW5jaW5nIGluIHRo ZSBoYW5kcyBvZiBHb2QuICBJIGRvbid0IHdhdGNoIG11Y2ggYWVyb2JhdGljcyBhbmQgZG9uJ3Qg a25vdw0Kd2hvIHNoZSBpcywgYnV0IEkgbG92ZSBoZXIhDQoNCiAgQ2hlY2sgaXQgb3V0LCBoZXJl IGlzIHRoZSBsaW5rLg0KICBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnlvdXR1YmUuY29tL3dhdGNoP3Y9QzdqNC1BSlY0 S1UmZmVhdHVyZT1yZWxhdGVkDQoNCg0KICBKZXJlbXkgaW4gRGFsbGFzDQoNCg0KICBQYXN0b3Ig TWlrZSA8bWlrZXRAc291dGhzbG9wZS5uZXQ+IHdyb3RlOg0KICAgIC0tPiBQaWV0ZW5wb2wtTGlz dCBtZXNzYWdlIHBvc3RlZCBieTogUGFzdG9yIE1pa2UNCg0KDQogICAgSGVyZSBpcyBhIHNjZW5l IGZyb20gIkhpZ2ggUm9hZCB0byBDaGluYSINCg0KICAgIGh0dHA6Ly93d3cueW91dHViZS5jb20v d2F0Y2g/dj0xNm5WN2czckZvVQ0KDQogICAgVG9tIFNlbGxlY2sgaXMgdGhlIGRydW5rLCBCZXNz IGlzIHRoZSBhZXJvYmF0aWMgcGlsb3QhDQogICAgTWlrZSBpbiBJb3dhDQoNCiAgICBQYXN0b3Ig TWlrZSB3cm90ZToNCiAgICA+IC0tPiBQaWV0ZW5wb2wtTGlzdCBtZXNzYWdlIHBvc3RlZCBieTog UGFzdG9yIE1pa2UNCiAgICA+DQogICAgPiBUaGUgZmx5aW5nIGFuZCBtdXNpYyBmcm9tICJPdXQg b2YgQWZyaWNhIiB3YXMgYmVhdXRpZnVsISEgSXQgcmVtaW5kZWQNCiAgICA+IG1lIG9mIHNvbWUg b2YgdGhlIG1vdmllICJIaWdoIFJvYWQgdG8gQ2hpbmEiLCBteSBmYXZvcml0ZSBmbHlpbmcNCiAg ICA+IG1vdmllLi5idXQgSSBoYXZlIG5vdCBzZWVuICJPdXQgb2YgQWZyaWNhIiB5ZXQsIHNvIEkg YW0gZ29pbmcgdG8gZ2V0DQppdCENCiAgICA+IFRoYW5rcw0KICAgID4gUGFzdG9yIE1pa2UgaW4g SW93YQ0KICAgID4NCiAgICA+IGJpa2UubWlrZSB3cm90ZToNCiAgICA+PiAtLT4gUGlldGVucG9s LUxpc3QgbWVzc2FnZSBwb3N0ZWQgYnk6ICJiaWtlLm1pa2UiDQogICAgPj4NCiAgICA+Pg0KICAg ID4+IFdpdGggYWxsIHRoZSB0YWxrIGFib3V0IGdyZWF0IGZseWluZyBtb3ZpZXMsIEkgd2Fzbid0 IGdvaW5nIHRvDQpjaGFsbGVuZ2UNCiAgICA+PiBhbnlvbmUuDQogICAgPj4gSG93ZXZlciwgdHdv IG9mIG15IGZhdm9yaXRlIHNjZW5lcyBhcmUgZnJvbQ0KICAgID4+ICJPdXQgb2YgQWZyaWNhIg0K ICAgID4+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cueW91dHViZS5jb20vd2F0Y2g/dj02VFBZd3dLQVZBOCZmZWF0dXJl PXJlbGF0ZWQNCiAgICA+Pg0KICAgID4+IGFuZCBmcm9tDQogICAgPj4gIk5ldmVyIENyeSBXb2xm Ig0KICAgID4+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cueW91dHViZS5jb20vd2F0Y2g/dj1VRDlSQ3owQzdzQSZmZWF0 dXJlPXJlbGF0ZWQNCiAgICA+Pg0KDQoNCg0KDQo ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:25 AM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Pietenpol-List: best movie scenes I'm glad someone mensioned High Road to China the other day. Great flying scenes. Was Tom Selleck in that movie? All I remember was some beautiful airplanes and Bess Armstrong getting in and out of airplanes. Bess Armstrong in a real nice party dress. After getting out of the plane Bess didnt even get her hair messed up and there was some guy flying the plane with her. Dick ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:49 AM PST US From: Pastor Mike Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: best movie scenes Yes Tom Selleck was in it...costar with Bess. It has some beautiful flying scenes with beautiful music, Mike in Iowa Dick Navratil wrote: > I'm glad someone mensioned High Road to China the other day. Great > flying scenes. Was Tom Selleck in that movie? All I remember was > some beautiful airplanes and Bess Armstrong getting in and out of > airplanes. Bess Armstrong in a real nice party dress. After getting > out of the plane Bess didnt even get her hair messed up and there was > some guy flying the plane with her. > Dick > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:29 AM PST US From: gcardinal@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes She is Svetlana Kapanina. Most of us would get nothing more than a stern "Nyet" from her....... Greg Cardinal -------------- Original message -------------- From: H RULE At first glance I thought it was Paddy Wagstaff but after going to youtube and looking for her stuff,it doesn't look like her plane but she sure flys her.In my opinion Paddy is the best aerobatics in the world and she could have me if she played her cards right! ----- Original Message ---- From: jeremy bramall Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:50:32 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes I watched one of the related videos after this clip. It was labeled Dancing in the hands of God. I don't watch much aerobatics and don't know who she is, but I love her! Check it out, here is the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7j4-AJV4KU&feature=related Jeremy in Dallas Pastor Mike wrote: Here is a scene from "High Road to China" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16nV7g3rFoU Tom Selleck is the drunk, Bess is the aerobatic pilot! Mike in Iowa Pastor Mike wrote: > > The flying and music from "Out of Africa" was beautiful!! It reminded > me of some of the movie "High Road to China", my favorite flying > movie..but I have not seen "Out of Africa" yet, so I am going to get it! > Thanks > Pastor Mike in Iowa > > bike.mike wrote: >> >> >> With all the talk about great flying movies, I wasn't going to challenge >> anyone. >> However, two of my favorite scenes are from >> "Out of Africa" >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TPYwwKAVA8&feature=related >> >> and from >> "Never Cry Wolf" >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD9RCz0C7sA&feature=related >>
She is Svetlana Kapanina. Most of us would get nothing more than a stern "Nyet" from her.......
 
Greg Cardinal
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
At first glance I thought it was Paddy Wagstaff but after going to youtube and looking for her stuff,it doesn't look like her plane but she sure flys her.In my opinion Paddy is the best aerobatics in the world and she could have me if she played her cards right!

----- Original Message ----
From: jeremy bramall <outofthebox50@yahoo.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:50:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes

I watched one of the related videos after this clip.  It was labeled Dancing in the hands of God.  I don't watch much aerobatics and don't know who she is, but I love her!
 
Check it out, here is the link.
 
Jeremy in Dallas
 

Pastor Mike <miket@southslope.net> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Pastor Mike


Here is a scene from "High Road to China"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16nV7g3rFoU

Tom Selleck is the drunk, Bess is the aerobatic pilot!
Mike in Iowa

Pastor Mike wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Pastor Mike
>
> The flying and music from "Out of Africa" was beautiful!! It reminded
> me of some of the movie "High Road to China", my favorite flying
> movie..but I have not seen "Out of Africa" yet, so I am going to get it!
> Thanks
> Pastor Mike in Iowa
>
> bike.mike wrote:
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bike.mike"
>>
>>
>> With all the talk about great flying movies, I wasn't going to challenge
>> anyone.
>> However, two of my favorite scenes are from>> "Out of Africa"
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TPYwwKAVA8&feature=related
>>
>> and from
>> "Never Cry Wolf"
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD9RCz0C7sA&feature=related
>>









________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:15 PM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes Good point there, John. ??? (I have no idea what you're talking about) DO NOT ARCHIVE _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Recine Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes Earnst Kessler the German Ace he was special he shot down 70 planes and lived to tell the tale. Shooting down Americans doesn't make a man special, a good days work that's what I call special. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _____ From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes Russian stunt pilot.... won some championships too!!!!!! several clips of her..... she is easy on the eyes! Dave do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jeremy bramall Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes I watched one of the related videos after this clip. It was labeled Dancing in the hands of God. I don't watch much aerobatics and don't know who she is, but I love her! Check it out, here is the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7j4-AJV4KU &feature=related Jeremy in Dallas ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:23 PM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes TGWP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! of course........ do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:29 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes Good point there, John. ??? (I have no idea what you're talking about) DO NOT ARCHIVE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Recine Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:19 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes Earnst Kessler the German Ace he was special he shot down 70 planes and lived to tell the tale. Shooting down Americans doesn't make a man special, a good days work that's what I call special. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: "Dave Abramson" Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:01:56 -0700 To: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes Russian stunt pilot.... won some championships too!!!!!! several clips of her..... she is easy on the eyes! Dave do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jeremy bramall Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:51 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Best movie flying scenes I watched one of the related videos after this clip. It was labeled Dancing in the hands of God. I don't watch much aerobatics and don't know who she is, but I love her! Check it out, here is the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7j4-AJV4KU&feature=related Jeremy in Dallas ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Greetings From: "mr-fix-all" To All, I recently found this forum through the web site of one of the members, www.flyingwood.com. I spent the better part of Thursday night perusing his site. About me, at the tender age of 4 I was introduced to flying by my dad's best friend and fellow school teacher. One of my earliest memories was of flying from Waterloo Iowa to Minneapolis, Minnesota and back, in the back seat of a small cessna. Uncle Hadley as we called him promised to teach me to fly when I turned 13, he told me I would fly before I could drive. Sadly he was killed in a crop dusting accident before he could teach me. As I grew up every thing I read or studied had some connection to flying, now that the kids are graduated and moved out, and back in, and out, and back in, and out. I have decided to pursue my dream of flight, starting with the construction of my own plane. After spending the last 5 years studying different aircraft I decided on a Peitenpol, since I couldn't find anyone with plans for a full size Curtiss Jenny, or a full size Tigermoth. I have spent the last 4 years as an Engineering Systems Analyst, before that I spent 7 years with the same company as a design engineer. Having spent the last month or so scouring the internet for builders sights, I decided that the first step was to clean up the shop and sell off some of the crap I have accumulated over the years, and use the money to purchases the plans, manuals and so on. I have also began acquiring materials for the rib jig based on several designs I found in the internet. To that end I located the coordinates for the pietenpol wing from http://www.airminded.net/, they had been scaled down so I placed them in Pro Engineer and scaled them up to the 60" length. My first question is, I found a PDF copy of an article that was in "Flying and Glider manual" written by B.H. Pietenpol. I compared the dimensions from that to the dimensions in Pro Engineer (As soon as I figure out how to send the file I will post it) and there are discrepancies, the Dimensions from the article don't produce a smooth surface no matter how you plot them. Second question am I wasting my time trying to produce the rib jig before I purchase the plans? Jake Spiegel Jesup Iowa Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193717#193717 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/drw0003_955.pdf ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greetings From: "John Recine" Welcome Jake Rather than doing things the hard way its just easier to order the plans and whil you wait for thm to arrive, set up your shop. I realize that we all build differently at least that's one way to do it. I myself wanted the piet ordered and studird the book and plans and after some great advice from Hans Vandervort I started the build. Hans pretty much told me the best way to build a Piet is to start building and it will fall into place I think that was the best advice I got and certainly got me past the study and into the build. Thanks Hans John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "mr-fix-all" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Greetings To All, I recently found this forum through the web site of one of the members, www.flyingwood.com. I spent the better part of Thursday night perusing his site. About me, at the tender age of 4 I was introduced to flying by my dad's best friend and fellow school teacher. One of my earliest memories was of flying from Waterloo Iowa to Minneapolis, Minnesota and back, in the back seat of a small cessna. Uncle Hadley as we called him promised to teach me to fly when I turned 13, he told me I would fly before I could drive. Sadly he was killed in a crop dusting accident before he could teach me. As I grew up every thing I read or studied had some connection to flying, now that the kids are graduated and moved out, and back in, and out, and back in, and out. I have decided to pursue my dream of flight, starting with the construction of my own plane. After spending the last 5 years studying different aircraft I decided on a Peitenpol, since I couldn't find anyone with plans for a full size Curtiss Jenny, or a full size Tigermoth. I have spent the last 4 years as an Engineering Systems Analyst, before that I spent 7 years with the same company as a design engineer. Having spent the last month or so scouring the internet for builders sights, I decided that the first step was to clean up the shop and sell off some of the crap I have accumulated over the years, and use the money to purchases the plans, manuals and so on. I have also began acquiring materials for the rib jig based on several designs I found in the internet. To that end I located the coordinates for the pietenpol wing from http://www.airminded.net/, they had been scaled down so I placed them in Pro Engineer and scaled them up to the 60" length. My first question is, I found a PDF copy of an article that was in "Flying and Glider manual" written by B.H. Pietenpol. I compared the dimensions from that to the dimensions in Pro Engineer (As soon as I figure out how to send the file I will post it) and there are discrepancies, the Dimensions from the article don't produce a smooth surface no matter how you plot them. Second question am I wasting my time trying to produce the rib jig before I purchase the plans? Jake Spiegel Jesup Iowa Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193717#193717 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/drw0003_955.pdf ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:17 PM PST US From: "Glenn Thomas" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greetings My advice is that before you build anything, you get the plans and look them over and get a sense of how the whole thing will go together. Then focus on one thing. The ribs are where I, and many others, started too. There are 1/8" doublers on the spars where the metal fittings go and some ribs will need to accomodate these locations with a larger opening than most of the others. (At least under my interpretation of the plans). There is a little more to it than just the outside coordinates. I purchased the full-size rib plan as well (not to use as a template however) to determine the positioning of truss members. The Flying and Glider only shows the 1 piece wing, but the plans have a sheet for the 3 piece wing, which you might be interesting in looking at. I think I ordered all the different plan options and the flying and glider manual and it was only around $200.00. I then spent a month or so looking at each page making sure I had a general approach for each area of construction. It's also good to figure out what you need in terms of wood and try and make as few orders as possible since shipping will eat you alive. There is a well-known Pietenpol fly-in at Brodhead, WI that's a great place to meet and talk to guys building and flying Pietenpols happening next next week officially starting on Friday and ending on Sunday morning. I'm no expert but had all the same questions you have and encourage you to get the plans. They will arrive in a week or so and that is insignificant relative to the duration of the project. EAA sells some great books too. Tony Bingelis 4 book series is a must if you don't have them. I also found Advisory Circular 43.13 which you can download from FAA for free helpful too. I think there is a link to it on my site somewhere. It has guidelines for grading wood and other standards for building. Good luck! Glenn Thomas Storrs, CT http://www.flyingwood.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:43 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greetings Jake, Go over to Brodhead, WI next Friday / Saturday for the annual Pietenpol fly-in. It is an easy drive from Jesup, IA. Regarding the plans discrepencies you've discovered all we can say is "Welcome to the world of Pietenpol, where no two plans agree." Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: "mr-fix-all" Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Greetings > > > To All, > > I recently found this forum through the web site of one of the members, > www.flyingwood.com. I spent the better part of Thursday night perusing > his site. > > About me, at the tender age of 4 I was introduced to flying by my dad's > best friend and fellow school teacher. One of my earliest memories was of > flying from Waterloo Iowa to Minneapolis, Minnesota and back, in the back > seat of a small cessna. Uncle Hadley as we called him promised to teach > me to fly when I turned 13, he told me I would fly before I could drive. > Sadly he was killed in a crop dusting accident before he could teach me. > As I grew up every thing I read or studied had some connection to flying, > now that the kids are graduated and moved out, and back in, and out, and > back in, and out. I have decided to pursue my dream of flight, starting > with the construction of my own plane. After spending the last 5 years > studying different aircraft I decided on a Peitenpol, since I couldn't > find anyone with plans for a full size Curtiss Jenny, or a full size > Tigermoth. I have spent the last 4 years as an Engineering Systems > Analyst, before that I spent 7 years with the same company as a design > engineer. > Having spent the last month or so scouring the internet for builders > sights, I decided that the first step was to clean up the shop and sell > off some of the crap I have accumulated over the years, and use the money > to purchases the plans, manuals and so on. I have also began acquiring > materials for the rib jig based on several designs I found in the > internet. To that end I located the coordinates for the pietenpol wing > from http://www.airminded.net/, they had been scaled down so I placed them > in Pro Engineer and scaled them up to the 60" length. > > My first question is, I found a PDF copy of an article that was in "Flying > and Glider manual" written by B.H. Pietenpol. I compared the dimensions > from that to the dimensions in Pro Engineer (As soon as I figure out how > to send the file I will post it) and there are discrepancies, the > Dimensions from the article don't produce a smooth surface no matter how > you plot them. > > Second question am I wasting my time trying to produce the rib jig before > I purchase the plans? > > > Jake Spiegel > Jesup Iowa > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193717#193717 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/drw0003_955.pdf > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.