---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/19/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:44 AM - Re props for 0200 (Graham & Robin Hewitt) 2. 07:00 AM - Re: Greetings (outofthebox50@yahoo.com) 3. 07:50 AM - Re: Re props for 0200 (Ed G.) 4. 12:46 PM - Re: Greetings (Tim Willis) 5. 01:18 PM - Piets flying to Brodhead-- who else? (Tim Willis) 6. 05:49 PM - Re: Piets flying to Brodhead-- who else? (Lynn Knoll) 7. 07:21 PM - Re: Piets flying to Brodhead-- who else? (Don Emch) 8. 11:18 PM - Brodhead trip (shad bell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:08 AM PST US From: "Graham & Robin Hewitt" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re props for 0200 Has any one info on the best prop (Pitch Diam) for an 0200 engine on a long fuse Piet Second wing nearly finished, Regards Graham Hewitt ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greetings From: outofthebox50@yahoo.com Jake, you can search the archives of this forum and find debates on different airfoils. I have a two piece wing built to plans. If I were to do it over again, I would build a three piece wing using the Grega GN-1 airfoil. Depending on your taste for origionality and your plans for the plane, you should research it. Definetly buy the plans and builder's manual before you start. Jeremy in Dallas Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "mr-fix-all" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Greetings To All, I recently found this forum through the web site of one of the members, www.flyingwood.com. I spent the better part of Thursday night perusing his site. About me, at the tender age of 4 I was introduced to flying by my dad's best friend and fellow school teacher. One of my earliest memories was of flying from Waterloo Iowa to Minneapolis, Minnesota and back, in the back seat of a small cessna. Uncle Hadley as we called him promised to teach me to fly when I turned 13, he told me I would fly before I could drive. Sadly he was killed in a crop dusting accident before he could teach me. As I grew up every thing I read or studied had some connection to flying, now that the kids are graduated and moved out, and back in, and out, and back in, and out. I have decided to pursue my dream of flight, starting with the construction of my own plane. After spending the last 5 years studying different aircraft I decided on a Peitenpol, since I couldn't find anyone with plans for a full size Curtiss Jenny, or a full size Tigermoth. I have spent the last 4 years as an Engineering Systems Analyst, before that I spent 7 years with the same company as a design engineer. Having spent the last month or so scouring the internet for builders sights, I decided that the first step was to clean up the shop and sell off some of the crap I have accumulated over the years, and use the money to purchases the plans, manuals and so on. I have also began acquiring materials for the rib jig based on several designs I found in the internet. To that end I located the coordinates for the pietenpol wing from http://www.airminded.net/, they had been scaled down so I placed them in Pro Engineer and scaled them up to the 60" length. My first question is, I found a PDF copy of an article that was in "Flying and Glider manual" written by B.H. Pietenpol. I compared the dimensions from that to the dimensions in Pro Engineer (As soon as I figure out how to send the file I will post it) and there are discrepancies, the Dimensions from the article don't produce a smooth surface no matter how you plot them. Second question am I wasting my time trying to produce the rib jig before I purchase the plans? Jake Spiegel Jesup Iowa Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193717#193717 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/drw0003_955.pdf ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:56 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re props for 0200 Hi Graham In early 2000, before I strated building and before I learned about the Pietenpol family's plans I sent for an info packet on the Piet from Chad Wiley. He and his dad have built Piets since the early 1940's if I remember right. Chad carves and sells props, or at least he used to. He owns a long fuse Piet with a 0200. In the info. packet he stated that he uses a 76/34 for a climb prop and a 72/42 for a cruise prop. He stated that he gets a 76 mph cruise at gross wt. with the climb prop and 80 mph with the criuse prop. Hope that is of some help. Ed G. >From: "Graham & Robin Hewitt" >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re props for 0200 >Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:41:21 +0900 > >Has any one info on the best prop (Pitch Diam) for an 0200 engine on a >long fuse Piet > >Second wing nearly finished, > >Regards Graham Hewitt ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:01 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greetings Jake, There is either a dip or bump of 1/8 of an inch on one of the "Y" axis coordinates on the upper surfaceo of the original rib plans. Purists use B. Pietenpol's distinctive original FC-10 airfoil. Several builders have been using either of a pair of Riblett airfoils [google "Riblett"] or NACA airfoils, often the 2412. The Grega airfoil is sort of a hybrid Clark Y-Pietenpol airfoil, and likely performs a little better than BP's, but not as well as the NACA or Riblett. Roman Bukolt will sell you a full scale Riblett drawing. You are getting great advice about coming to Brodhead, WI,in a week. There will be several Piets and their helpful builders there. Hope to see you there. Wear a nametag and introduce yourself. You'll get lots of good help. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: outofthebox50@yahoo.com >Sent: Jul 19, 2008 8:57 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greetings > > >Jake, you can search the archives of this forum and find debates on different airfoils. I have a two piece wing built to plans. If I were to do it over again, I would build a three piece wing using the Grega GN-1 airfoil. Depending on your taste for origionality and your plans for the plane, you should research it. > >Definetly buy the plans and builder's manual before you start. > >Jeremy in Dallas > >Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > >-----Original Message----- >From: "mr-fix-all" > >Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:57:00 >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Greetings > > > >To All, > >I recently found this forum through the web site of one of the members, www.flyingwood.com. I spent the better part of Thursday night perusing his site. > >About me, at the tender age of 4 I was introduced to flying by my dad's best friend and fellow school teacher. One of my earliest memories was of flying from Waterloo Iowa to Minneapolis, Minnesota and back, in the back seat of a small cessna. Uncle Hadley as we called him promised to teach me to fly when I turned 13, he told me I would fly before I could drive. Sadly he was killed in a crop dusting accident before he could teach me. >As I grew up every thing I read or studied had some connection to flying, now that the kids are graduated and moved out, and back in, and out, and back in, and out. I have decided to pursue my dream of flight, starting with the construction of my own plane. After spending the last 5 years studying different aircraft I decided on a Peitenpol, since I couldn't find anyone with plans for a full size Curtiss Jenny, or a full size Tigermoth. I have spent the last 4 years as an Engineering Systems Analyst, before that I spent 7 years with the same company as a design engineer. >Having spent the last month or so scouring the internet for builders sights, I decided that the first step was to clean up the shop and sell off some of the crap I have accumulated over the years, and use the money to purchases the plans, manuals and so on. I have also began acquiring materials for the rib jig based on several designs I found in the internet. To that end I located the coordinates for the pietenpol wing from http://www.airminded.net/, they had been scaled down so I placed them in Pro Engineer and scaled them up to the 60" length. > >My first question is, I found a PDF copy of an article that was in "Flying and Glider manual" written by B.H. Pietenpol. I compared the dimensions from that to the dimensions in Pro Engineer (As soon as I figure out how to send the file I will post it) and there are discrepancies, the Dimensions from the article don't produce a smooth surface no matter how you plot them. > >Second question am I wasting my time trying to produce the rib jig before I purchase the plans? > > >Jake Spiegel >Jesup Iowa > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193717#193717 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/drw0003_955.pdf > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:25 PM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets flying to Brodhead-- who else? Who is flying a Piet to Brodhead? I know of Dick Navratil, Bill Rewey, Roman Bukolt, Lowell Frank, and Greg Cardinal/Dale Johnson. Who else? BTW, I'll be there, but in a Suburban. Tim in central TX ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:38 PM PST US From: "Lynn Knoll" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets flying to Brodhead-- who else? Ken Perkins told me today he will have his Piet there. Lynn Knoll Wichita Piet/Vair in the works ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Willis" Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets flying to Brodhead-- who else? > > > Who is flying a Piet to Brodhead? > > I know of Dick Navratil, Bill Rewey, Roman Bukolt, Lowell Frank, and Greg > Cardinal/Dale Johnson. > > Who else? > > BTW, I'll be there, but in a Suburban. > > Tim in central TX > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > 6:35 PM > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets flying to Brodhead-- who else? From: "Don Emch" I was planning to fly mine up but since I started a new job a couple of months ago I can't get the time off that would be needed. I was pretty bummed out about it because with my old job I had the time off and was really looking forward to making the trip again. I decided I would just try to drive up for the weekend though. Driving is definitely more reliable. Then Andrew King called Thursday night and told me about some of his misfortunes this week with the flying machine that he was hoping to take to Brodhead and Oshkosh. Then we got to thinking, why doesn't he just take my ship up there. So he picked it up this morning and headed out. He is taking it on the Model T Centennial/Hayfield/Barnstorming tour all next week. So I guess my Piet will be there but I'm cheating and not flying it there! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193860#193860 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:18 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead trip Hello Guys, just wondering if anyone could give a ride on thursday from Bro dhead to .....Monroe I think it is, to pick up a rental car, in exchange fo r gas money or a piet ride.- Dad and I might get to both fly and not have to drive the truck up.- A group of guys from our field are planning on t aking our piet, a Chief, a Champ, and a Stinnson up to Brodhead.- Dad or I will go in the chief as PIC with a student pilot who owns the Chief, and pack the Stinson with all the cargo.- We will-need the rental car to ge t to the hotel dad reserved.- (He's getting old for camping).- Looks li ke the weather is going to be good for the trip up there.- And by the way I decided to save the money it would cost to go to Oshkosh, and will proba bly pass on going to airventure.- Eating $15 hotdogs and $6 sodas for 3 d ays, $25 per day addmission, and $25 per night camping adds up real fast, d oubling the cost of my trip.- - Hope to see you all by the end of the week Shad=0A=0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.