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1. 04:34 AM - Re: Piets flying to Brodhead-- who else? (Phillips, Jack)
2. 05:27 AM - Re: 25-hour approval (Dick Carden)
3. 05:45 AM - Re: Re: 25-hour approval (Phillips, Jack)
4. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead trip (Gene Rambo)
5. 07:21 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead trip (Kirk Huizenga)
6. 09:24 AM - Test (Michael Perez)
7. 09:51 AM - New guy signs up (Michael Perez)
8. 10:33 AM - Re: New guy signs up (Glenn Thomas)
9. 10:49 AM - Welcome New guy signs up (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
10. 11:21 AM - Re: New guy signs up (Michael Silvius)
11. 11:21 AM - Re: New guy signs up (Jack T. Textor)
12. 11:21 AM - Re: Re: New guy signs up (Michael Perez)
13. 11:34 AM - Re: Welcome New guy signs up (Michael Perez)
14. 11:35 AM - Re: New guy signs up (Michael Perez)
15. 11:53 AM - Re: New guy signs up (Jack T. Textor)
16. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: New guy signs up (Roman Bukolt)
17. 12:03 PM - Re: New guy signs up (Rick Holland)
18. 12:13 PM - Re: Welcome New guy signs up (Phillips, Jack)
19. 12:20 PM - DVD (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
20. 12:26 PM - Re: Welcome New guy signs up (Michael Perez)
21. 12:39 PM - Re: New guy signs up (mr-fix-all)
22. 12:39 PM - Re: New guy signs up (Bill Church)
23. 12:49 PM - Re: DVD (Bill Church)
24. 12:53 PM - Re: best movie scenes (mr-fix-all)
25. 01:26 PM - Frued table saw blades (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
26. 01:30 PM - Re: DVD (Rick Holland)
27. 02:01 PM - Re: Re: New guy signs up (Bill Church)
28. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: 25-hour approval (Lagowski Morrow)
29. 02:53 PM - Taildragger rides to Piet Builders (HelsperSew@aol.com)
30. 03:10 PM - Re: Taildragger rides to Piet Builders (John Recine)
31. 03:58 PM - Re: Re: best movie scenes (H RULE)
32. 04:35 PM - Re: New guy signs up (Gary Boothe)
33. 04:42 PM - Plans have changed (Milt Atkinson)
34. 04:48 PM - Plans have changed (Milt Atkinson)
35. 04:57 PM - Re: Plans have changed (Gary Boothe)
36. 05:07 PM - Re: New guy signs up (Michael Perez)
37. 05:08 PM - Re: DVD (Michael Perez)
38. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: New guy signs up (Michael Perez)
39. 05:54 PM - Re: DVD (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
40. 10:11 PM - Re: New guy signs up (Bill Princell)
41. 11:26 PM - Re: Re: New guy signs up (Clif Dawson)
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Subject: | Piets flying to Brodhead-- who else? |
Weather permitting, I'll have my Piet there. I plan to leave Wednesday
morning from Raleiugh, NC and should be in Brodhead by Thursday evening.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Willis
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets flying to Brodhead-- who else?
<timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Who is flying a Piet to Brodhead?
I know of Dick Navratil, Bill Rewey, Roman Bukolt, Lowell Frank, and
Greg Cardinal/Dale Johnson.
Who else?
BTW, I'll be there, but in a Suburban.
Tim in central TX
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Subject: | Re: 25-hour approval |
I think I must have been asleep when the techniques for getting 25-hour rather
than 40-hour approval. Would someone kindly direct me? I'm planning to use a Corvair
with a wooden prop; is there any way that can be accepted for 25 hours?
Dick Carden
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Subject: | Re: 25-hour approval |
NO. To get the 25 hour approavl you have to use a Certifated aircraft
engine and a certificated propeller.
With either a Corvair or a handbuilt prop you are required to have a 40
hour flyoff. With both a Corvair and a handmade prop it will be 80
Hours (just kidding - wanted to see if you were paying attention. With
your combination a 40 hour flyoff will be required).
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Carden
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 25-hour approval
I think I must have been asleep when the techniques for getting 25-hour
rather than 40-hour approval. Would someone kindly direct me? I'm
planning to use a Corvair with a wooden prop; is there any way that can
be accepted for 25 hours? Dick Carden
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead trip |
I managed to get the weekend off of work, so I will be flying into
Chicago Friday am and driving to Brodhead. Driving back to Chicago
sun/mon depending on whether I decide to go to Oshkosh for a day. Does
this fit with anyone else's plans? Anyone want a ride??
Gene
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead trip |
Google Earth Brodhead, WI and you will see the X just south of town
between 11 and Brodhead Airport Rd. The "main entrance" is on the East
side of the airport off of Airport Rd.
Kirk
On Jul 20, 2008, at 2:35 PM, mr-fix-all wrote:
> >
>
> Hey All,
>
> I convinced my Wife and Brother-in-Law that riding the Harley's to
> brodhead would make a great Saturday ride since is't only 3 hours.
> My question is I found Brodhead, but were is the flyin going to be,
> I assume it's not in downtown Brodhead. Is there admission, food
> for sale?
>
> Also how much does Roman Bukolt charge for a full size wing plan?
>
> Looking forward to seeing you
>
> Jake
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193966#193966
>
>
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Test Post. Actual questions to follow.
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Subject: | New guy signs up |
Hello fellow Air Camper builders! I have decided to commit to building and flying
the Air Camper. With the help of a friend and co worker whom has built and
flies his very own, I have decided to take on this endevor.
I have the Pietenpol plans on their way as well as the 3 piece wing and Corvair/long
fuse. plans. I am in contact with Aircraft Spruce for a wood quote and
have been researching this list for Q&A.
Curious: are there any other Sitka supliers with pre-cut capstrip othet then
A.S. and Wicks? For those of you whom have purchased the pre-cut capstrip, (1/4"
X 1/2") how acurate was the size of the wood and the quality of the surfaces?
(were they REALY 1/4" X 1/2" and smooth)
TONS more questions to follow over the years...please be forgiving.
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Subject: | Re: New guy signs up |
I ordered from Aircraft Spruce. The dimensions were right on the money. It was
the quality of the wood that was questionable. Lots of grain deviation and
turbulence, chips from their machinery as well as pieces that broke during bending
after steaming. I disputed with them and they replaced 40% of the capstrip
order. I've ordered from them since but not much difference in quality. I
am buying rough-cut from now on and sawing/planing to dimensions myself. There
are lots of places that have rough cut boards. If you become familiar with
the grading of the wood you can determine for yourself if it's going to be airworthy,
since you can't really trust Aircraft Spruce to do it for you anyway.
To them it's just inventory they want to move. I think it means a little more
to you and me.
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Welcome New guy signs up |
Guys,
Mike Perez starting working in my building a few months ago helping out
with everything from precision machining to operating erosion jet fueled
test rigs for engine erosion resistant coatings for the Army helicopter
engines. He brought his family to our local EAA YE event a few
Saturdays
ago and that was the first time his two boys flew in an airplane and 1st
time he'd ever seen a Pietenpol. (I had mine out for display) Guess
the Piet fits his bill and his woodworking hobby pretty well.
I told Mike that you guys are a pretty good bunch and he's already
searched
the archives and is actively setting up to build a set of wing ribs.
Help me with dusting off my faded memory as he posts questions.
I did mention McCormack Lumber in Wisconsin as several of you guys have
had good things to say about thier a/c grade spruce and plywood so that
might be an alternative for some parts of his build-up.
Mike C. in Ohio
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Subject: | Re: New guy signs up |
Though I have not dealt with them I hear tell that these fellows know
what they are doing and sell a good product.
I seem to recall someone mentioning they have the Piet plans on file and
can quote you a price for the Sitka required but if not I am sure they
can provide you with prices if you provide them with a list of your
needs
http://www.westernaircraftspruce.com/kits.php
Michael in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
Curious: are there any other Sitka supliers with pre-cut capstrip
othet then A.S. and Wicks? For those of you whom have purchased the
pre-cut capstrip, (1/4" X 1/2") how acurate was the size of the wood and
the quality of the surfaces? (were they REALY 1/4" X 1/2" and smooth)
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Subject: | New guy signs up |
Welcome Mike,
I had very nice cap-strips from Wicks, good dimensions and quality. To
cut your own, I heard that McCormack's got a new load of spruce last
year.
Jack
www.textors.com
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Subject: | Re: New guy signs up |
Thanks Glenn. I believe I have read about your wood troubles on-line. I have looked
into buy bulk and cutting down myself. If my math was right, it seemed cheaper
to buy the cap strip already made...but if the quality is not there, then
where is the savings. I'll investigate further.
I ordered from Aircraft Spruce. The dimensions were right on the money. It was
the quality of the wood that was questionable. Lots of grain deviation and turbulence,
chips from their machinery as well as pieces that broke during bending
after steaming. I disputed with them and they replaced 40% of the capstrip order.
I've ordered from them since but not much difference in quality. I am buying
rough-cut from now on and sawing/planing to dimensions myself. There are
lots of places that have rough cut boards. If you become familiar with the grading
of the wood you can determine for yourself if it's going to be airworthy,
since you can't really trust Aircraft Spruce to do it for you anyway. To them
it's just inventory they want to move. I think it means a little more to you
and me.
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194155#194155
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Subject: | Re: Welcome New guy signs up |
Copy that Mike! I did get the McCormick intel. I had looked into a place called
Public Lumber as well. They have multiple sizes of sitka, but only 2 are lables
"aircraft spar/grade"...or something like that. I wonder if that means the
other sizes are not of the same quality? The smallest "AC grade" size they had
was 2 X 4". If I were to rip my own, I would like to start with a smaller size
board. Any ideas?
Guys,
Mike Perez starting working in my building a few months ago helping out
with everything from precision machining to operating erosion jet fueled
test rigs for engine erosion resistant coatings for the Army helicopter
engines. He brought his family to our local EAA YE event a few
Saturdays
ago and that was the first time his two boys flew in an airplane and 1st
time he'd ever seen a Pietenpol. (I had mine out for display) Guess
the Piet fits his bill and his woodworking hobby pretty well.
I told Mike that you guys are a pretty good bunch and he's already
searched
the archives and is actively setting up to build a set of wing ribs.
Help me with dusting off my faded memory as he posts questions.
I did mention McCormack Lumber in Wisconsin as several of you guys have
had good things to say about thier a/c grade spruce and plywood so that
might be an alternative for some parts of his build-up.
Mike C. in Ohio
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Subject: | New guy signs up |
Thanks Jack. I believe I will re-vist buying bulk and cutting my own as well as
Wicks.
As for Aircraft Spruce, just got off the phone with them. $153.xx plus $20.00
for shipping for 80 1/2" X14" X 6 feet capstrip. About 1 week lead time. But
if the quality is in question...
"Jack T. Textor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com> wrote:
Welcome Mike,
I had very nice cap-strips from Wicks, good dimensions and quality. To cut your
own, I heard that McCormacks got a new load of spruce last year.
Jack
www.textors.com
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Subject: | New guy signs up |
Mike,
I've cut and planed all my wood except the cap-strips. At today's
pricing I would still buy the cap-strips already cut. It will save you
a ton of time and blades.
Jack
www.textors.com <http://www.textors.com/>
Hope to get to Brodhead by 7:00 Thursday evening.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New guy signs up
Thanks Jack. I believe I will re-vist buying bulk and cutting my own as
well as Wicks.
As for Aircraft Spruce, just got off the phone with them. $153.xx plus
$20.00 for shipping for 80 1/2" X14" X 6 feet capstrip. About 1 week
lead time. But if the quality is in question...
"Jack T. Textor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com> wrote:
Welcome Mike,
I had very nice cap-strips from Wicks, good dimensions and
quality. To cut your own, I heard that McCormack's got a new load of
spruce last year.
Jack
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Subject: | Re: New guy signs up |
I purchased (7) 1 x6 x 20ft. rough cut planks of Sitka spruce from
McCormick Lumber in Madison, Wi. Their quality is good. I chose the
four best ones and had them planed to 3/4" right at the lumber yard,
with Bill Rewey's help. Those will be my wing spars.
I would roughly guess that, the quantity that I bought should be
enough to finish the plane. McCormick Lumber is only 40 mi. north of
Brodhead. Drive up, enjoy the fly-in then go to Madison prior to
returning home. The planks you choose for Spars can be cut just over
14 ft. (before planing) The cut-offs would be just under 6 ft.,
perfect for slicing up for wing rib stick stock.. Cut one other plank
just long enough to get your longerons from. The remaining two planks
can be cut to some convenient length so you wouldn't have to be
hauling any 20 ft. planks home.
Roman Bukolt, Madison, Wi. NX20795
On Jul 21, 2008, at 1:18 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
> Thanks Glenn. I believe I have read about your wood troubles on-
> line. I have looked into buy bulk and cutting down myself. If my
> math was right, it seemed cheaper to buy the cap strip already
> made...but if the quality is not there, then where is the savings.
> I'll investigate further.
>
> Glenn Thomas <glennthomas@flyingwood.com> wrote:
>
> I ordered from Aircraft Spruce. The dimensions were right on the
> money. It was the quality of the wood that was questionable. Lots of
> grain deviation and turbulence, chips from their machinery as well
> as pieces that broke during bending after steaming. I disputed with
> them and they replaced 40% of the capstrip order. I've ordered from
> them since but not much difference in quality. I am buying rough-cut
> from now on and
>
>
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Subject: | Re: New guy signs up |
Welcome to the clan Mike, I got the Pietenpol spruce kit and capstrip from
ACS and the quality was excellent (back when the kit was only $800). Have
also ordered additional spruce from Wicks with equally good results.
By the way Broadhead is this weekend, there is no better way to start off
the Pietenpol phase of your life than to spend at least all day Saturday
there. You may even get a ride in one. You will also want to order the Mike
Cuy DVD, can find info on it in this forum.
Rick
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Thanks Jack. I believe I will re-vist buying bulk and cutting my own as
> well as Wicks.
>
> As for Aircraft Spruce, just got off the phone with them. $153.xx plus
> $20.00 for shipping for 80 1/2" X14" X 6 feet capstrip. About 1 week lead
> time. But if the quality is in question...
>
> *"Jack T. Textor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>* wrote:
>
> Welcome Mike,
> I had very nice cap-strips from Wicks, good dimensions and quality. To cut
> your own, I heard that McCormack's got a new load of spruce last year.
> Jack
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Subject: | Welcome New guy signs up |
Well, I was going to offer him some advice, but if he's a friend of
yours, he has such questionable taste that advice would do him no good.
Just kidding Mike Perez, Welcome to the slightly weird world of
Pietenpols
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welcome New guy signs up
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Guys,
Mike Perez starting working in my building a few months ago helping out
with everything from precision machining to operating erosion jet fueled
test rigs for engine erosion resistant coatings for the Army helicopter
engines. He brought his family to our local EAA YE event a few
Saturdays
ago and that was the first time his two boys flew in an airplane and 1st
time he'd ever seen a Pietenpol. (I had mine out for display) Guess
the Piet fits his bill and his woodworking hobby pretty well.
I told Mike that you guys are a pretty good bunch and he's already
searched
the archives and is actively setting up to build a set of wing ribs.
Help me with dusting off my faded memory as he posts questions.
I did mention McCormack Lumber in Wisconsin as several of you guys have
had good things to say about thier a/c grade spruce and plywood so that
might be an alternative for some parts of his build-up.
Mike C. in Ohio
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I'm going to give Mike P. the special 'NASA' rate on the DVD.......you
know, gov't rate. (once I finally break down and makes some more
copies) I told him that it was guaranteed to put his wife and
kids to sleep in under 2.5 hours or he would get a full refund. My
DVD has cured hundreds of cases of spousal insomnia. This DVD
is not for everyone and in some cases mild to severe irritability can
develop. See your doctor for details.
Mike C.
Do not archive
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Subject: | Welcome New guy signs up |
Thanks Jack! I'll keep a close eye on Cuy. Maybe I missed judged him. (wink wink
to Cuy)
Well, I was going to offer him some advice, but if he's a friend of
yours, he has such questionable taste that advice would do him no good.
Just kidding Mike Perez, Welcome to the slightly weird world of
Pietenpols
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welcome New guy signs up
Guys,
Mike Perez starting working in my building a few months ago helping out
with everything from precision machining to operating erosion jet fueled
test rigs for engine erosion resistant coatings for the Army helicopter
engines. He brought his family to our local EAA YE event a few
Saturdays
ago and that was the first time his two boys flew in an airplane and 1st
time he'd ever seen a Pietenpol. (I had mine out for display) Guess
the Piet fits his bill and his woodworking hobby pretty well.
I told Mike that you guys are a pretty good bunch and he's already
searched
the archives and is actively setting up to build a set of wing ribs.
Help me with dusting off my faded memory as he posts questions.
I did mention McCormack Lumber in Wisconsin as several of you guys have
had good things to say about thier a/c grade spruce and plywood so that
might be an alternative for some parts of his build-up.
Mike C. in Ohio
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Subject: | Re: New guy signs up |
Greetings All,
On the subject of material, I found a local supplier that has vertical grained
Douglas fir, 10-15 rings per inch, 1 inch in 40 grain run out, in the following
sizes 4/4 1x6 5.68 per bf, 5/4 1x6 6.22 per bf, and 6/4 1x6 6.32 per bf.
Based on my estimates it takes about 3/16 of a board foot to make a rib, so with
40 ribs, account for wall hangers, that means about 7 Bf of Douglas fir to make
the ribs, at 5.68 per Bf that would be bout $40 for rib wood. or have I been
sniffing fumes too long?
Thanks
Jake
--------
"Be who you are and say what you think, those that mind don't matter, and
those that matter don't mind" Dr. Seuss
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Subject: | New guy signs up |
Hi Mike,
Welcome to the gang. Just about everybody on this list seem to be nice
people (except me - I'm an ornery son of a gun).
For my wood, I bought a couple of 2" x 6" rough Sitka planks from a local
wood supplier, and have planed and sawn it all myself. I don't think you
actually need to plane it, but I had access to a thickness planer, so I did
it. Those planks have yielded all my capstrips and almost all of the sticks
for my empennage, which I just finished building. My next step is the
fuselage, so I'll be buying some more soon.
I started with a brand new thin-kerf ripping blade for my 35-year old table
saw, and the blade is still going strong. I also made use of a decent
feather-board when ripping stock - helps maintain sizes, and prevents
kickback.
Bill C.
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New guy signs up
Mike,
I've cut and planed all my wood except the cap-strips. At today's pricing I
would still buy the cap-strips already cut. It will save you a ton of time
and blades.
Jack
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Too bad for Mike P.
As I recall, the price of a gov't hammer was $435.
I can just imagine what a "conciousness altering DVD" must be valued at.
Bill C.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 3:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: DVD
I'm going to give Mike P. the special 'NASA' rate on the DVD.......you know,
gov't rate. (once I finally break down and makes some more
copies) I told him that it was guaranteed to put his wife and
kids to sleep in under 2.5 hours or he would get a full refund. My DVD
has cured hundreds of cases of spousal insomnia. This DVD
is not for everyone and in some cases mild to severe irritability can
develop. See your doctor for details.
Mike C.
Do not archive
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Subject: | Re: best movie scenes |
If any one has the chance find a copy of "Those magnificent men and their flying
machines". It's a 1965 movie about an international air race set in the 1900's
pretty good comedy but great old plane footage.
Jake
--------
"Be who you are and say what you think, those that mind don't matter, and
those that matter don't mind" Dr. Seuss
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194194#194194
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Subject: | Frued table saw blades |
Speaking of saw blades, I took the advice of my then Branch Chief and
woodworker Carl Stearns back when I started my
project and dropped a 100 bucks on a top-notch carbide tipped table saw
blade by Freud. (sp ?) I made hundreds and hundreds
of cuts (I wouldn't doubt thousands counting all my mistakes) and the
cuts produced butter-smooth finishes on my wood until
the day my plane flew. A fantastic investment. When I gave the old
saw away I kept the blade.....now if I could find it some day !
Mike C.
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If NASA pays $8000 for toilet seats then your DVD has got to be worth at
least a grand. (Just kiddin, actually I would rather have your DVD any day
than a new toilet seat).
Rick
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC] <
michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> I'm going to give Mike P. the special 'NASA' rate on the DVD.......you
> know, gov't rate. (once I finally break down and makes some more
> copies) I told him that it was guaranteed to put his wife and
> kids to sleep in under 2.5 hours or he would get a full refund. My DVD
> has cured hundreds of cases of spousal insomnia. This DVD
> is not for everyone and in some cases mild to severe irritability can
> develop. See your doctor for details.
>
> Mike C.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
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Subject: | Re: New guy signs up |
Jake,
One thing to remember when calculating board feet of wood required is to
take into account the thickness of the saw blade. I know, it's only about
1/8 of an inch, but when you are talking about strips 1/4" x 1/2", it makes
a difference.
As I recall, you'll need roughly one hundred six-foot lengths of capstrip to
make thirty ribs (not sure why you would want ten wall hangers). If you add
one sawblade thickness to the width and height of a capstrip, your effective
size of the capstrip becomes 3/8" x 5/8". This means that you would need
about 10 bf , but I would add 20% for scrap and undetectable defects. But
even at that, you're only running about $80 for your rib wood (plus about
$50 for a 4' x 4' sheet of 1/16" ply for gussets).
Bill C.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mr-fix-all
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New guy signs up
--> <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com>
Greetings All,
On the subject of material, I found a local supplier that has vertical
grained Douglas fir, 10-15 rings per inch, 1 inch in 40 grain run out, in
the following sizes 4/4 1x6 5.68 per bf, 5/4 1x6 6.22 per bf, and 6/4 1x6
6.32 per bf.
Based on my estimates it takes about 3/16 of a board foot to make a rib, so
with 40 ribs, account for wall hangers, that means about 7 Bf of Douglas fir
to make the ribs, at 5.68 per Bf that would be bout $40 for rib wood. or
have I been sniffing fumes too long?
Thanks
Jake
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Subject: | Re: 25-hour approval |
Dick,based on my recent experience you will likely get 40 hours. The reason
is the engine and propeller are not a certficated combination. See FAA
Advisory Circular 20-27F, page 13.--Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Carden" <flywrite@verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 25-hour approval
>
> I think I must have been asleep when the techniques for getting 25-hour
> rather than 40-hour approval. Would someone kindly direct me? I'm planning
> to use a Corvair with a wooden prop; is there any way that can be accepted
> for 25 hours? Dick Carden
>
>
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> 6:42 AM
>
>
>
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Subject: | Taildragger rides to Piet Builders |
I made this announcement a few months ago, and I want to extend this
invitation for: informal taildragger "instruction" (not a CFI) for any Piet builder
(or serious would be builder) that is up at Brodhead Friday or Saturday. This
ride would be given in my Aeronca Sedan (4-place with control wheels, red,
N1152H) at no charge. This is my gift to get people energized and motivated.
After you get up there, call me on my cell (or text) 815-298-5680 for
scheduling. I should be up there before 10AM on Friday. The weather is supposed
to
be perfect.
See you there!!!!
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Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: Taildragger rides to Piet Builders |
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Subject: | Re: best movie scenes |
I have a copy of this.=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message -
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his topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=1
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Subject: | New guy signs up |
Mike,
Looks like you have received lots of advice (I did not say 'good').
Obviously Mike C lied to you about this group, as vendors are prone to do..
;<)
I was very lucky to find a local hard wood supplier (who also knows A/C
grade) who allowed me to root through all his stacks of wood. My Piet is
almost all Poplar! I bought mostly full 1" pieces (usually 1 1/16") and have
cut everything to size. My spars are not yet purchased, but they will be
Fir. So far I have spent less than $300 and that includes all the Hickory
for my landing gear struts, cabanes and wing struts! You could buy a good
table saw, mill your own wood, and have less into it than buying A/C Spruce
from a supplier! The fuselage and tail are all framed and I still have
enough wood to build all the ribs.
Also, as Mike C said (he doesn't lie about everything), I bought a carbide
tipped saw blade 5 years ago (about $100) and have cut a prolific amount of
wood for all sorts of home projects. The blade has never been sharpened!!
Come to think of it.everything I know about Piets came from this
group..guess I was wrong about Cuy..someday I'll buy him a beer and tell him
how much I like the video..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(10 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:49 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New guy signs up
Hello fellow Air Camper builders! I have decided to commit to building and
flying the Air Camper. With the help of a friend and co worker whom has
built and flies his very own, I have decided to take on this endevor.
I have the Pietenpol plans on their way as well as the 3 piece wing and
Corvair/long fuse. plans. I am in contact with Aircraft Spruce for a wood
quote and have been researching this list for Q&A.
Curious: are there any other Sitka supliers with pre-cut capstrip othet then
A.S. and Wicks? For those of you whom have purchased the pre-cut capstrip,
(1/4" X 1/2") how acurate was the size of the wood and the quality of the
surfaces? (were they REALY 1/4" X 1/2" and smooth)
TONS more questions to follow over the years...please be forgiving.
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Subject: | Plans have changed |
Well, I started out like a house on fire gathering parts, plans, etc. and
like everything else in life, things happen . I am now going to have to
abandon the Corvair powered Pietenpol project and am willing to part with
the things I have accumulated.
I have:
1) The GM Green Manual
2) The "How to keep your Corvair Alive" book
3) 8409 crank turned .010 under, polished and tapped for the WW safety
shaft
4) The WW safety shaft
5) Folded fin oil cooler
6) 3 engine cases
7) Cylinder jugs in very good shape . could be reconditioned or used
for cores
8) 2 sets of cast iron exhaust logs
9) 2 sets of rods that were going to be used for exchange with Clarks
10) New C8800 cam with stock gear and washer installed
11) Set of new Clevite 77 .010 main bearing
12) Set of recommended heads . no work done on the heads
13) Harmonic balancer that was going to be used for a Clarks core
14) Front plate cut from a automatic trans bell housing
15) Several other misc engine parts . just ask
16) Complete set of Pietenpol plans for the 3 piece wing and extended fuse
Anyone interested can make a reasonable offer for any or all. I am located
in the Dallas\Ft Worth area and can be reached either via email
miltatkinson@verizon.net or cell phone 214-762-8181.
The WW manual and Clarks catalogs are not for sell . they are assigned my
customer number and I will keep these.
Milt Atkinson
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Subject: | Plans have changed |
Well, I started out like a house on fire gathering parts, plans, etc. and
like everything else in life, things happen . I am now going to have to
abandon the Corvair powered Pietenpol project and am willing to part with
the things I have accumulated.
I have:
1) The GM Green Manual
2) The "How to keep your Corvair Alive" book
3) 8409 crank turned .010 under, polished and tapped for the WW safety
shaft
4) The WW safety shaft
5) Folded fin oil cooler
6) 3 engine cases
7) Cylinder jugs in very good shape . could be reconditioned or used
for cores
8) 2 sets of cast iron exhaust logs
9) 2 sets of rods that were going to be used for exchange with Clarks
10) New C8800 cam with stock gear and washer installed
11) Set of new Clevite 77 .010 main bearing
12) Set of recommended heads . no work done on the heads
13) Harmonic balancer that was going to be used for a Clarks core
14) Front plate cut from a automatic trans bell housing
15) Several other misc engine parts . just ask
16) Complete set of Pietenpol plans for the 3 piece wing and extended fuse
Anyone interested can make a reasonable offer for any or all. I am located
in the Dallas\Ft Worth area and can be reached either via email
miltatkinson@verizon.net or cell phone 214-762-8181.
The WW manual and Clarks catalogs are not for sell . they are assigned my
customer number and I will keep these.
Milt Atkinson
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Subject: | Plans have changed |
Milt,
Sorry to hear..best wishes to you!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(10 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Milt
Atkinson
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 4:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans have changed
Well, I started out like a house on fire gathering parts, plans, etc. and
like everything else in life, things happen . I am now going to have to
abandon the Corvair powered Pietenpol project and am willing to part with
the things I have accumulated.
I have:
1) The GM Green Manual
2) The "How to keep your Corvair Alive" book
3) 8409 crank turned .010 under, polished and tapped for the WW safety
shaft
4) The WW safety shaft
5) Folded fin oil cooler
6) 3 engine cases
7) Cylinder jugs in very good shape . could be reconditioned or used
for cores
8) 2 sets of cast iron exhaust logs
9) 2 sets of rods that were going to be used for exchange with Clarks
10) New C8800 cam with stock gear and washer installed
11) Set of new Clevite 77 .010 main bearing
12) Set of recommended heads . no work done on the heads
13) Harmonic balancer that was going to be used for a Clarks core
14) Front plate cut from a automatic trans bell housing
15) Several other misc engine parts . just ask
16) Complete set of Pietenpol plans for the 3 piece wing and extended fuse
Anyone interested can make a reasonable offer for any or all. I am located
in the Dallas\Ft Worth area and can be reached either via email
miltatkinson@verizon.net or cell phone 214-762-8181.
The WW manual and Clarks catalogs are not for sell . they are assigned my
customer number and I will keep these.
Milt Atkinson
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MY thoughts EXACTLY! Yo Mike C...I'll pay the standard rate, thank you! (I have
plane parts I can spend $4XX.XX on!)
Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote: Too bad for Mike P.
As I recall, the price of a gov't hammer was $435.
I can just imagine what a "conciousness altering DVD" must be valued at.
Bill C.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 3:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: DVD
I'm going to give Mike P. the special 'NASA' rate on the DVD.......you know,
gov't rate. (once I finally break down and makes some more
copies) I told him that it was guaranteed to put his wife and
kids to sleep in under 2.5 hours or he would get a full refund. My DVD has
cured hundreds of cases of spousal insomnia. This DVD
is not for everyone and in some cases mild to severe irritability can develop.
See your doctor for details.
Mike C.
Do not archive
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Subject: | Re: New guy signs up |
Agree. I have run the numbers a few times and it seems cheaper to cut my own. I
actually like to take the time to cut/make/ build from scratch, so this will
be an enjoyable task. More time, sure, but to me, this is where the fun is.
Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote: Jake,
One thing to remember when calculating board feet of wood required is to take
into account the thickness of the saw blade. I know, it's only about 1/8 of an
inch, but when you are talking about strips 1/4" x 1/2", it makes a difference.
As I recall, you'll need roughly one hundred six-foot lengths of capstrip to
make thirty ribs (not sure why you would want ten wall hangers). If you add one
sawblade thickness to the width and height of a capstrip, your effective size
of the capstrip becomes 3/8" x 5/8". This means that you would need about 10
bf , but I would add 20% for scrap and undetectable defects. But even at that,
you're only running about $80 for your rib wood (plus about $50 for a 4' x 4'
sheet of 1/16" ply for gussets).
Bill C.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mr-fix-all
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New guy signs up
--> <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com>
Greetings All,
On the subject of material, I found a local supplier that has vertical grained
Douglas fir, 10-15 rings per inch, 1 inch in 40 grain run out, in the following
sizes 4/4 1x6 5.68 per bf, 5/4 1x6 6.22 per bf, and 6/4 1x6 6.32 per bf.
Based on my estimates it takes about 3/16 of a board foot to make a rib, so with
40 ribs, account for wall hangers, that means about 7 Bf of Douglas fir to
make the ribs, at 5.68 per Bf that would be bout $40 for rib wood. or have I
been sniffing fumes too long?
Thanks
Jake
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Mike C is right about the DVD causing mild irritability, actually it made me
very irritable because it is full of great information and we cannot start
building till we finish the Cozy.
Thanks Mike, great work!
See Y'all Friday
Regards, Chrissi
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
www.CozyGirrrl.com
Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo
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I'm going to give Mike P. the special 'NASA' rate on the DVD.......you know,
gov't rate. (once I finally break down and makes some more
copies) I told him that it was guaranteed to put his wife and
kids to sleep in under 2.5 hours or he would get a full refund. My DVD
has cured hundreds of cases of spousal insomnia. This DVD
is not for everyone and in some cases mild to severe irritability can
develop. See your doctor for details.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: New guy signs up |
Hi Michael:
Bought cap strip from ACS and Wickes a couple of months ago. I bought most
of it from ACS. Their price was .32 per ft and they held dimension
perfectly, but at the time their lead time was 6/8weeks. So I bought enough
from Wicks to hold me over until my ACS order was shipped. I paid Wicks .70
per foot and they didn't hold dimension. A lot of it was junk, even though I
told the order desk to please make sure it was cut to dimension, since I had
had the same problem a year earlier. As a result, I won't order anything
from them again.
Bill Princell -
On 7/21/08, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> Curious: are there any other Sitka supliers with pre-cut capstrip othet
> then A.S. and Wicks? For those of you whom have purchased the pre-cut
> capstrip, (1/4" X 1/2") how acurate was the size of the wood and the quality
> of the surfaces? (were they REALY 1/4" X 1/2" and smooth)
>
> TONS more questions to follow over the years...please be forgiving.
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Subject: | Re: New guy signs up |
So far my plane is entirely Western Hemlock. It's been quite
an odyssey searching out the "perfect piece" but it has been
worth it. There's still things to be done before building the
wing panels, like the gas tank, firewall (partially done) , cabling
for the tailwheel, machine the brake drums, plate and shoes,
etc.,etc. There seems to be so much niggling detail! But I do
have three 1" by 5 1/2" Fir boards for spars. There's only one
place to get it here and they only get in maybe 5 to 8 boards
at a time to pick through. I'm sure to have the last one by
September though. And when the thing is finished will my
shop be empty for long? Not likely! I have no idea what the
withdrawal symptoms would be and I don't want to find out!
I have come to realize over the years that I am much more
a maker of things than a user. I suspect I'm not alone! :-)
Clif
"Education: the path from cocky ignorance to miserable uncertainty."
- Mark Twain, writer and humorist
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:09 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New guy signs up
Agree. I have run the numbers a few times and it seems cheaper to cut
my own. I actually like to take the time to cut/make/ build from
scratch, so this will be an enjoyable task. More time, sure, but to me,
this is where the fun is.
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