---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/28/08: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:41 AM - Re: Safe, Successful journy (gcardinal) 2. 05:08 AM - Re: Waldo Pepper (Ron Franck) 3. 05:36 AM - Bummer (tbyh@aol.com) 4. 05:41 AM - new ford motor (Douwe Blumberg) 5. 04:16 PM - I just bought a Piet. Wahoo! (Marc Davis) 6. 04:34 PM - wing struts (Marc Davis) 7. 05:09 PM - Re: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo! (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 8. 06:01 PM - Re: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo! (Gene & Tammy) 9. 07:01 PM - Re: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo! (Chet's Mail) 10. 10:57 PM - Re: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo! (Marc Davis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:59 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Safe, Successful journy Well done, Shad! I enjoyed our brief formation flight. Hopefully next year we can do it again with passengers and cameras for some good air-to-air footage. Dick Navratil and I made it home around 3:00pm to the Minneapolis area. Cheers! Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell To: Pietenpol Discussion Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Safe, Successful journy Hello Guys, and Gals, N92GB made it 432 miles to Brodhead, and 432 miles back from Brodhead with out a hitch. Tailwinds graced us on the way home and cut about an hour off the trip home. Thank you for the inspiration throughout the past Brodhead fly-ins, when all we did was watch Piets fly. I was able to give a couple rides at Brodhead but due to aging bungees wasn't able to give rides to "average weight" adults. Wife is calling, and I have been gone for 4 days, Shad 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:18 AM PST US From: Ron Franck Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Waldo Pepper I've got a new, unopened DVD of "The Great Waldo Pepper" that I'm willing to trade for a completed and flying Pietenpol. If I get multiple offers I'll consider the Piet with the better engine installation. OK, before anybody flames me, this is just a little tongue-in-cheek, but I do have a new, unopened copy on DVD. Just for kicks, I checked ebay and found this listing: 120255960384 The guy wants $125.00 for a used DVD. I about fell out of my chair. I better put my copy inside a fireproof safe! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bummer From: tbyh@aol.com My oldest son and I headed out at 5:00 a.m. sharp (from La Crosse) this past Saturday morning headed for Brodhead for the day. Just as we were going by?Wisconsin Dells about 6:30 a.m.the truck started acting up and then it just plain died -- the alternator went kablooey! Of course, no parts house anywhere around had an alternator on hand for a '98 Nissan Frontier. So, the garage we found charged the battery to the max and we turned around and went home (I suppose we could have gone on to Brodhead, but coming home at night would have required lights and the battery just wouldn't have made that.) Tonight I am installing a new alternator?(found one at the Autozone in Winona, MN, and since the wife and I were going to Rochester MN Sunday afternoon we swung through and picked it up). Anyway, what an absolute ?bummer, especially for my son Billy who has never been to Brodhead for the Piet reunion. All afternoon as I was removing the old alternator I thought about the fly-bys and activity and workshops, and at supper time I thought about you all enjoying the pork chops together. Torture! Well, there's always next year.?I hope those of you who were there had a terrific time and will post some pics and reports soon!? Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:10 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: new ford motor Ken Perkins was talking about a new model A motor being made in a small run. Does anybody have info or a link about that? It was great to see you all! Douwe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:03 PM PST US From: Marc Davis Subject: Pietenpol-List: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo! Hello All Well I've had the plans for some time and followed the list off and on but =2C a piet came for sale on craigslist and I had to jump. Here are a few photos of it. http://picasaweb.google.com/sandy.n.marc/Piet enpol It has two problems (at least) The tail wheel was poorly installed and I t hink the two lower longerons are broken. The plane had a corvair at first and later had a a65 installed. With the a 65 it was VERY aft CG. The elevator was about 50% deflected in level fligh t and that way with 50 lbs of lead bolted to the engine mount. I don't know what the fuselage length is but I will measure tonight. I ass ume I will have to build a longer motor mount. Once I have the tail uncovered I will be looking for suggestions un how to improve things. I am not buying the motor or prop with the plane because I have a couple a6 5's already. I'll have more photos and more questions later Marc _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM _WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:11 PM PST US From: Marc Davis Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing struts One question right off the bat. The wing strut fittings seem to built to p lans but.... It seems like a strange design. In compression the strut ends sort of kink sideways in the strut. Are people flying with this arrangement? I see come are using he aluminum strut material. Marc _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mess enger2_072008 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:38 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo! Congrats on your find and purchase John In a message dated 7/28/2008 7:17:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marcs_listreading@hotmail.com writes: Hello All Well I've had the plans for some time and followed the list off and on but, a piet came for sale on craigslist and I had to jump. Here are a few photos of it. _http://picasaweb.google.com/sandy.n.marc/Pietenpol_ (http://picasaweb.google.com/sandy.n.marc/Pietenpol) It has two problems (at least) The tail wheel was poorly installed and I think the two lower longerons are broken. The plane had a corvair at first and later had a a65 installed. With the a65 it was VERY aft CG. The elevator was about 50% deflected in level flight and that way with 50 lbs of lead bolted to the engine mount. I don't know what the fuselage length is but I will measure tonight. I assume I will have to build a longer motor mount. Once I have the tail uncovered I will be looking for suggestions un how to improve things. I am not buying the motor or prop with the plane because I have a couple a65's already. I'll have more photos and more questions later Marc ____________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. _Get started._ (http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:16 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo! Marc, moving the wing aft may be a better way to go rather than a longer motor mount. Worked very well for me. I would suggest you take a deep breath and don't do anything for a while. Once you have itemized what you want to do I would put it out on this list for dicussion. So much knowledge here. No need to reinvent the wheel. Just my thoughts Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Davis To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo! Hello All Well I've had the plans for some time and followed the list off and on but, a piet came for sale on craigslist and I had to jump. Here are a few photos of it. http://picasaweb.google.com/sandy.n.marc/Pietenpol It has two problems (at least) The tail wheel was poorly installed and I think the two lower longerons are broken. The plane had a corvair at first and later had a a65 installed. With the a65 it was VERY aft CG. The elevator was about 50% deflected in level flight and that way with 50 lbs of lead bolted to the engine mount. I don't know what the fuselage length is but I will measure tonight. I assume I will have to build a longer motor mount. Once I have the tail uncovered I will be looking for suggestions un how to improve things. I am not buying the motor or prop with the plane because I have a couple a65's already. I'll have more photos and more questions later Marc ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. Get started. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 7/22/2008 4:05 PM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:30 PM PST US From: "Chet's Mail" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo! Marc, Is the engine still for sale I would be interested in it. Chet ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:29 PM PST US From: Marc Davis Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo! I thought about moving the wing=2C and may do it. It would make it harder for me to get in and out of the plane. I did measure the Fuselage length and I have the short fuselage (Improved 1 933 plans=2C and 161 and 1/4"). I see that Chuck Gantzer (http://nx770cg.com/) moved the engine forward whe n faced with the same problem. I'm planning to email him to see if him plane has problems recovering from a slip as BHP is reported to have suggested. Maybe I should put a 3 blade constant speed prop on to help balance the pla ne. (just joking). I also noticed that the both elevators are warped=2C so I will have to rebu ild those. Much of the hardware on the plane is of the hardware store verit y so that will have to be fixed. And the tail wires are a but odd so I'll h ave to look at those. Hmmm.. Should be flying Wednesday. Thanks Marc From: zharvey@bellsouth.netTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Pie tenpol-List: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo!Date: Mon=2C 28 Jul 2008 19:58:23 -0500 Marc=2C moving the wing aft may be a better way to go rather than a longer motor mount. Worked very well for me. I would suggest you take a deep bre ath and don't do anything for a while. Once you have itemized what you wan t to do I would put it out on this list for discussion. So much knowledge here. No need to reinvent the wheel. Just my thoughts Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Davis Sent: Monday=2C July 28=2C 2008 6:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo! Hello All Well I've had the plans for some time and followed the list off a nd on but=2C a piet came for sale on craigslist and I had to jump. Here are a few photos of it. http://picasaweb.google.com/sandy.n.marc/Pietenpol It has two problems (at least) The tail wheel was poorly installed and I thi nk the two lower longerons are broken.The plane had a corvair at first and later had a a65 installed. With the a65 it was VERY aft CG. The elevator was about 50% deflected in level flight and that way with 50 lbs of lead bo lted to the engine mount. I don't know what the fuselage length is but I will measure tonight. I assume I will have to build a longer motor mount.O nce I have the tail uncovered I will be looking for suggestions un how to i mprove things. I am not buying the motor or prop with the plane because I have a couple a65's already. I'll have more photos and more questions late r Marc Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. 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