---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/02/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:57 AM - welding (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 08:29 AM - Re: my project () 3. 08:58 AM - Re: my project (Ben Ramler) 4. 08:58 AM - Re: welding (jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com) 5. 08:59 AM - Re: my project (Rick Holland) 6. 09:10 AM - Re: my project (walt) 7. 10:39 AM - Re: my project (Ben Ramler) 8. 11:26 AM - Re: my project (walt) 9. 06:07 PM - Piets in Hawaii (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 10. 07:55 PM - Re: Inspection holes (wing) (CozyGirrrl@aol.com) 11. 09:39 PM - Re: Piets in Hawaii (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:52 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: welding Thanks for the welding tips. Bill, I am welding the flange on the top before attaching to the tank. I think I may have gotten sloppy and let the flange move away from the sheet as I tacked it. Jake, great tip!! i had thought something like that might soak up the heat but hadn't thought of such a clean solution. Love this forum!! Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:33 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my project Ben, Why do you need to modify the wing rib jig? I thought the recommended method of construction was to build the ailerons in-place and then cut them free. As I understand it this helps the ailerons line up perfectly with the rest of the wing. This would mean all the ribs are built the same. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:21 AM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my project I wish I had an answer for you chris. This is just what my dad wants to do. Maybe in his mind it might be easier not sure on that! ----- Original Message ---- From: "catdesigns@att.net" Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 10:26:11 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my project Ben, Why do you need to modify the wing rib jig? I thought the recommended method of construction was to build the ailerons in-place and then cut them free. As I understand it this helps the ailerons line up perfectly with the rest of the wing. This would mean all the ribs are built the same. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: welding From: jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com Douwe, I would also avoid cutting the hole till your finished. Jake "Douwe Blumberg" Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 08/02/2008 09:54 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@matronics.com To "pietenpolgroup" cc Subject Pietenpol-List: welding Thanks for the welding tips. Bill, I am welding the flange on the top before attaching to the tank. I think I may have gotten sloppy and let the flange move away from the sheet as I tacked it. Jake, great tip!! i had thought something like that might soak up the heat but hadn't thought of such a clean solution. Love this forum!! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for SPAM content and Viruses by the MessageL abs Email Security System. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:22 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my project Correct, you build the ailerons as part of the wing and saw it out later, makes aileron construction very easy. Rick On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 9:26 AM, wrote: > > Ben, > > Why do you need to modify the wing rib jig? I thought the recommended > method of construction was to build the ailerons in-place and then cut them > free. As I understand it this helps the ailerons line up perfectly with the > rest of the wing. This would mean all the ribs are built the same. > > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, Ca > Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:12 AM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my project Ben, Yeah, you build the whole wing, in one piece,,,then you glue in the airleron spars, and when done, cut out the airleron. Works great. PS I would trammel the wing before glueing in the airleron stuff and cutting. This makes sure all is parallel. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my project > > Ben, > > Why do you need to modify the wing rib jig? I thought the recommended > method of construction was to build the ailerons in-place and then cut > them free. As I understand it this helps the ailerons line up perfectly > with the rest of the wing. This would mean all the ribs are built the > same. > > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, Ca > Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:31 AM PST US From: Ben Ramler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my project what do you mean by trammel the wing? Ben in MN ----- Original Message ---- From: walt Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 11:05:27 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my project Ben, Yeah, you build the whole wing, in one piece,,,then you glue in the airleron spars, and when done, cut out the airleron. Works great. PS I would trammel the wing before glueing in the airleron stuff and cutting. This makes sure all is parallel. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my project > > Ben, > > Why do you need to modify the wing rib jig? I thought the recommended > method of construction was to build the ailerons in-place and then cut > them free. As I understand it this helps the ailerons line up perfectly > with the rest of the wing. This would mean all the ribs are built the > same. > > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, Ca > Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:02 AM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my project Ben, You can check the archives, and I'm sure others will jump in. But it's a process, that has to be done on all wings, where, using a long device that you can make yourself. consisting of a rod with 2 pins at right angles. You pick points near both ends of the spar where the ribs cross. By taking diagonal comparisons of each, you can tell if the "rectangle" is square. This means pushing or pulling each spar slightly till the criss-cross readings are equal. Usually done when the flying and drag wires are installed. This way when you glue in the aierleron spars are glued in,,,all will be square walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Ramler" Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my project > > > what do you mean by trammel the wing? > Ben in MN > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: walt > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 11:05:27 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my project > > > Ben, > Yeah, you build the whole wing, in one piece,,,then you glue in the > airleron > spars, and when done, cut out the airleron. Works great. > PS I would trammel the wing before glueing in the airleron stuff and > cutting. This makes sure all is parallel. > walt evans > NX140DL > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:26 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: my project > > >> >> Ben, >> >> Why do you need to modify the wing rib jig? I thought the recommended >> method of construction was to build the ailerons in-place and then cut >> them free. As I understand it this helps the ailerons line up perfectly >> with the rest of the wing. This would mean all the ribs are built the >> same. >> >> Chris Tracy >> Sacramento, Ca >> Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:30 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in Hawaii Just back form a 10 day business trip that included Brodhead and I am out again on Tuesday for Hawaii on business, I may be there for about a week. Any Piets on the big island or any of the islands for that matter? Ill be there soon enough and would love to visit a Piet Hawaiian style. John **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:13 PM PST US From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Inspection holes (wing) "Wait till you get to the part about the empty oatmeal cardboard containers ;o)" Oscar, oh great, that will be the one thing we obsess about till we know =) On the road from Osh down to Brodhead right now, I don't expect to post this till returning to Scholler. Regards, Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 5/27/2008 12:56:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: Wait till you get to the part about the empty oatmeal cardboard containers ;o) **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:03 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piets in Hawaii John, - With all the travel you do..... I want your job! What is it that you do aga in?.....airplane security agent inspecting flight attendant demeanors?..... .lol Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - --- On Sat, 8/2/08, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in Hawaii Just back form a 10 day business trip that included Brodhead and I am out a gain on Tuesday for Hawaii on business, I may be there for about a week. - Any Piets on the big island or any of the islands for that matter? - Ill be there soon enough and would love to visit a Piet Hawaiian style. - John Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? 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