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1. 06:52 AM - light weight = better climb (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 07:11 AM - Re: fuselage weight (Dave Abramson)
3. 07:31 AM - GN-1 WING ON A SHORT FUSE PIET? (TOPGUN)
4. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: How hard is it to get into the front seat (Rick Holland)
5. 11:15 AM - Please connect with me :) (Bill Spagnotti)
6. 03:06 PM - Re: GN-1 WING ON A SHORT FUSE PIET? (Skip Gadd)
7. 03:32 PM - Re: Auto Gas in an A-65 (with ethanol) (walt)
8. 04:41 PM - Web material for spar (Michael Perez)
9. 04:48 PM - Re: Web material for spar (Peter W Johnson)
10. 04:55 PM - Re: Web material for spar (gcardinal)
11. 06:28 PM - Re: Auto Gas in an A-65 (with ethanol) (Jack Phillips)
12. 06:31 PM - Re: GN-1 WING ON A SHORT FUSE PIET? (TOPGUN)
13. 06:50 PM - Re: Re: How hard is it to get into the front seat (Glenn Thomas)
14. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: How hard is it to get into the front seat (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
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| Subject: | light weight = better climb |
Simple formula; Walt is right. What you gain with a lighter airframe is not only
more useful load but better climb. Forget top speed; the Piet isn't about
that and a lighter plane won't get you more speed. Lighter weight equals more
available excess thrust, and that equals better climb.
Corky built 41CC about as light as Walt's airplane but it does have a vacuum venturi
and two vacuum gyro instruments (needle/ball and VSI), so it could be a
tad lighter. Empty weight of 41CC is currently 627 lbs., which is about 12 lbs.
more than Walt's plane. I could easily find those 12 lbs. but like Steve Dortch
said, the airplane performs pretty well as it is now with Cont. A65 and
a Hegy 72x42 prop.
I fly it out of San Geronimo Airpark, paved runway length is 3000' and the field
elevation is 1,040 MSL but I have never used more than half the runway to either
takeoff or land, and more often than not I use the grass area on the north
end rather than the paved runway since it allows me to put the nose more nearly
into the wind most days. The day I took Steve up, I estimate the density
altitude to have been about 3200' MSL based on dry bulb temp., wet bulb temp.,
and altimeter setting for that time.
A recent aerial photo of our field is at http://www.flysquirrel.net/8T8.jpg and the shot is taken as if on an extremely high final to the area that I operate off of. From this angle, I could probably still slip it in and land on the grass if I chopped the power completely off and threw the airplane into a full cross-controlled slip. The nice thing is that if I run out of grass, I can keep rolling right on to the paved runway... they keep the grass and asphalt transition very smooth just for that reason.
I love this airplane!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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I thought you were building out of Balsa wood!!!!!!
Dave
Do Not Archive
OK, how come nobody raised the BS flag on me when I posted that my
bare fuselage weighed 33 lbs??? The more I thought about it, I realized
that it could not possibly be right, but I KNEW I weighed it correctly.
Well, my wife just asked me why our bathroom scale was set on kg instead of
lbs . . DOH!!!!
I don't know how to reset the scale, but somehow I must have. A
quick google converts 33.6 kg into 74.0 lbs, which sounds much more
reasonable.
And there I thought I was losing a lot of weight on my beer and
pizza diet.
Damn.
Gene
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| Subject: | GN-1 WING ON A SHORT FUSE PIET? |
I have taken over my late fathers pietenpol project, the fuselage is complete and
is the short wood version from the original 1932 plans. I came across a good
deal on a set of GN-1 Ribs, spars and plans. After researching this i discovered
the spar center to center is 31" instead of 28-3/4, my question is the pick
up points on the fuse are all for the 28-3/4 c to c, can the cabane struts
run inward slightly and the outboard struts would do the same? Anyone ever do
this? i would build the std piet wing if the spar material wasn't so perfect.
Also, i have a complete Model A already converted for a Pietenpol for sale missing
only the carburetor.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197118#197118
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| Subject: | Re: How hard is it to get into the front seat |
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| Subject: | Please connect with me :) |
Hi,
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so we can keep in touch.
-Bill
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| Subject: | GN-1 WING ON A SHORT FUSE PIET? |
Hi Top,
I have a GN-1 and am building a Piet. I would not put the Grega wing on the
Piet, the Grega center section spar fittings that the cabanes attach to are
going the wrong way to pivot the cabanes. They go side to side on the Grega
and for and aft on the Piet.
You could cut down the front spar to 4.75" and you just have to add .50" to
the aft spar and you have Piet spars. It will probably be more work trying
to adapt the two plans to each other than making new ribs.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: TOPGUN <rmdinfo@lakefield.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/7/2008 10:34:35 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 WING ON A SHORT FUSE PIET?
>
>
> I have taken over my late fathers pietenpol project, the fuselage is
complete and is the short wood version from the original 1932 plans. I came
across a good deal on a set of GN-1 Ribs, spars and plans. After
researching this i discovered the spar center to center is 31" instead of
28-3/4, my question is the pick up points on the fuse are all for the
28-3/4 c to c, can the cabane struts run inward slightly and the outboard
struts would do the same? Anyone ever do this? i would build the std piet
wing if the spar material wasn't so perfect.
>
> Also, i have a complete Model A already converted for a Pietenpol for
sale missing only the carburetor.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197118#197118
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| Subject: | Re: Auto Gas in an A-65 (with ethanol) |
No, I saw what auto gas did to my gascolater back when i was building.
It was an approved gascolator.
When the auto gas sat in it over the winter, the gasket was all fat and
squishy.
That's when I swore off auto gas.
Also my needle valve is neoprere.
What the heck will it do to that???
I don't fly enough every year to warrent going to auto gas to save money.
I'm a 100LL guy now
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Charvet" <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Auto Gas in an A-65 (with ethanol)
>
> Well, my last source of ethanol free auto gas seems to have switched over.
> Right now I'm switching over to 100 LL in my Baby Ace. Anybody out there
> been brave enough to try the gas/ethanol mix in a small continental in a
> low and slow airplane?
> Ben Charvet
> Mims, Fl
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Web material for spar |
Thinking of making my own spars and am curious as to what would make a better web:
plywood or spruce, or something else. I was thinking 1/2" web with 1/4" "rails"
if you will, to make up the 1" total width.
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| Subject: | Web material for spar |
Michael,
Check out the "Wing Spars" section of my web site. http://www.cpc-world.com
<http://www.cpc-world.com/>
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com <http://www.cpc-world.com/>
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Friday, 8 August 2008 7:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Web material for spar
Thinking of making my own spars and am curious as to what would make a
better web: plywood or spruce, or something else. I was thinking 1/2" web
with 1/4" "rails" if you will, to make up the 1" total width.
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| Subject: | Re: Web material for spar |
Michael,
Take a look at http://westcoastpiet.com/construction.htm
Chris Tracy put together a nice website with lots of info including a
couple of articles on built-up spars.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Web material for spar
Thinking of making my own spars and am curious as to what would
make a better web: plywood or spruce, or something else. I was thinking
1/2" web with 1/4" "rails" if you will, to make up the 1" total width.
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| Subject: | Auto Gas in an A-65 (with ethanol) |
Having destroyed the neoprene needle valve in my old J-3 with car gas back
before they put ethanol in, I can assure you that you don't want to try it.
Most needle valves now are stainless steel (and they leak).
Besides, mogas just stinks. I much prefer the smell of 100 LL. Don't like
the price, though.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Auto Gas in an A-65 (with ethanol)
No, I saw what auto gas did to my gascolater back when i was building.
It was an approved gascolator.
When the auto gas sat in it over the winter, the gasket was all fat and
squishy.
That's when I swore off auto gas.
Also my needle valve is neoprere.
What the heck will it do to that???
I don't fly enough every year to warrent going to auto gas to save money.
I'm a 100LL guy now
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Charvet" <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Auto Gas in an A-65 (with ethanol)
>
> Well, my last source of ethanol free auto gas seems to have switched over.
> Right now I'm switching over to 100 LL in my Baby Ace. Anybody out there
> been brave enough to try the gas/ethanol mix in a small continental in a
> low and slow airplane?
> Ben Charvet
> Mims, Fl
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 WING ON A SHORT FUSE PIET? |
Skip, thanks for your reply......damn, i just had all of the grega wing fittings
lazer cut from 4130, turned out beautiful.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197246#197246
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| Subject: | Re: How hard is it to get into the front seat |
Hopefully this isn't a redundant response. Found this video of somebody
climbing into the front cockpit. Not easy but where there's a will there's
a way and this guy finally finds his way. I am about 5' 10" and 210 lbs and
after doing a little Mexican hat dance, was able to get into Walt
Evans' front cockpit a couple years ago. Most of the time is spent thinking
about how to get in without damaging your gracious host's pride and joy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exLPpG73BWA&feature=related
Glenn Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
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| Subject: | Re: How hard is it to get into the front seat |
If all else fails a little bit of naked and a bunch of goose grease helps
get it done!
John
In a message dated 8/7/2008 9:50:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
glennthomas@flyingwood.com writes:
Hopefully this isn't a redundant response. Found this video of somebody
climbing into the front cockpit. Not easy but where there's a will there's a
way and this guy finally finds his way. I am about 5' 10" and 210 lbs and
after doing a little Mexican hat dance, was able to get into Walt Evans' front
cockpit a couple years ago. Most of the time is spent thinking about how to
get in without damaging your gracious host's pride and joy.
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exLPpG73BWA&feature=related_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exLPpG73BWA&feature=related)
Glenn Thomas
Storrs, CT
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