---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/13/08: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:12 AM - Re: From print to jig...how? (Clif Dawson) 2. 12:31 AM - Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet (Rob Stapleton, Jr.) 3. 03:01 AM - What set of plans do I use?? (charles loomis) 4. 03:48 AM - Re: What set of plans do I use?? (HelsperSew@aol.com) 5. 04:19 AM - Re: With great dismay (John Recine) 6. 04:27 AM - Re: What set of plans do I use?? (gcardinal) 7. 04:54 AM - Re: tail wheel (Phillips, Jack) 8. 05:17 AM - Re: What set of plans do I use?? (charles loomis) 9. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (shad bell) 10. 06:00 AM - Re: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet (Robert Gow) 11. 07:08 AM - (Roy Brooks) 12. 07:19 AM - Re: From print to jig...how? (Pieti Lowell) 13. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (Owen Davies) 14. 07:49 AM - Re: No Title (TOPGUN) 15. 08:01 AM - Re: (Michael Perez) 16. 08:01 AM - Re: With great dismay (outofthebox50@yahoo.com) 17. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (Michael Perez) 18. 09:59 AM - Re: With great dismay (Rick Holland) 19. 10:20 AM - Re: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet (Tim Willis) 20. 10:51 AM - Piet for sale (Roy Brooks) 21. 11:01 AM - Re: Piet for sale (Phillips, Jack) 22. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (Jim) 23. 11:31 AM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (Ken Chambers) 24. 12:08 PM - TACO (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 25. 12:18 PM - Re: From print to jig...how? (Ben Charvet) 26. 02:39 PM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (BScott116@aol.com) 27. 03:42 PM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (ALAN LYSCARS) 28. 04:25 PM - Waldo Update (Tim Verthein) 29. 04:31 PM - Re: From print to jig...how? (Michael Perez) 30. 04:46 PM - Re: From print to jig...how? (Jim Lathrop) 31. 09:38 PM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (johnwoods@westnet.com.au) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:19 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: From print to jig...how? You know, it seems to me it would be just as fast and also absolutely accurate if you just lay out the ordinates on your base with a good ole' bic pen. You guys are spending waaayyyy to much time and money agonizing over this crap. It would be done already and you'd even have two ribs done for show and tell at tomorrows EAA meeting! Next time your wife comes home after spending six hours and burning $30 in gas to save $10 on a new dress you won't have anything to say about it. :-) :-) Clif "Neither can the wave that has passed by be recalled, nor the hour which has passed return again." ~ Ovid Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: From print to jig...how? The simplest way to end up with an undamaged full size Riblett plan, I would think, would be to just buy two prints. Another $10 and you can have one print on the jig, and one in perfect condition for reference or what have you. Ryan On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Michael Perez wrote: My mistake, what I am asking is: is there a way to easily transfer the plan onto the jig, and keep the original plan intact. I have heard how to simply make a copy is not always good, wondering if there is any other way. The making holes and connecting the dots is a way I haven't thought of. I guess once the jig is made and proven, we don't need the plan, but I would like to try and salvage mine. It seems the easiest is to tape it down, cover with plastic, build. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 8/12/2008 4:59 PM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:58 AM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet It time to put the Piet on wheels. OK guys-anybody out there have wheels or brakes for a 1" axle, I can't find anything but new stuff here in Anchorage and it is really spendy. Not to choosy in Alaska. Rob ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:08 AM PST US From: charles loomis Subject: Pietenpol-List: What set of plans do I use?? I have the original artical on building the Pietenpol. I want to build a Piet with a Model A engine and I was wondering if there was a better set of plans to build from, perhaps with a lighter empty weight? I was wondering if the steel fuselage with built-up spars and even 1/4" x 1/4" cap strips would bring the ship in a little lighter? Also my plans lack the details for the steel fuselage, they give the structure details but nothing about the mounting tabs. Anyway, any help, Ideas or opinions are greately apprecated. Charley ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:55 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What set of plans do I use?? Charley, If you are using a Model A, make sure and research the archives on the subject of moving your engine forward. I missed this, and was surprised to find this out. It turns out that I am OK with me as the pilot, but I am only 150 lbs. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: With great dismay From: "John Recine" VGhlcmUgYXJlIG5vIFBpZXRzIGluIEhhd2FpaS4gSnVzdCBsYW5kZWQgT2hhcmUgb24gdGhlIHdh eSBiYWNrIGhvbWUgd2l0aCBubyBwcm9qZWN0cyB0byBsb29rIGF0IHRoaXMgcGFzdCB3ZWVrDQoN CkEgd2VlayB3aXRob3V0IGEgUGlldCBqdXN0IHBsYW5lIHN1eA0KDQpKb2huDQpTZW50IGZyb20g bXkgVmVyaXpvbiBXaXJlbGVzcyBCbGFja0JlcnJ5DQoNCi0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0t LS0tDQpGcm9tOiBIZWxzcGVyU2V3QGFvbC5jb20NCg0KRGF0ZTogV2VkLCAxMyBBdWcgMjAwOCAw Njo0ODoxNiANClRvOiA8cGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbT4NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJl OiBQaWV0ZW5wb2wtTGlzdDogV2hhdCBzZXQgb2YgcGxhbnMgZG8gSSB1c2U/Pw0KDQoNCkNoYXJs ZXksDQogDQpJZiB5b3UgYXJlIHVzaW5nIGEgTW9kZWwgQSwgbWFrZSBzdXJlIGFuZCByZXNlYXJj aCB0aGUgYXJjaGl2ZXMgb24gdGhlICANCnN1YmplY3Qgb2YgbW92aW5nIHlvdXIgZW5naW5lIGZv cndhcmQuIEkgbWlzc2VkIHRoaXMsIGFuZCB3YXMgc3VycHJpc2VkIHRvIGZpbmQgIA0KdGhpcyBv dXQuIEl0IHR1cm5zIG91dCB0aGF0IEkgYW0gT0sgd2l0aCBtZSBhcyB0aGUgcGlsb3QsIGJ1dCBJ IGFtIG9ubHkgMTUwIGxicy4gDQogIA0KDQpEYW4gIEhlbHNwZXINClBvcGxhciBHcm92ZSwgSUwu DQoNCg0KDQoNCioqKioqKioqKioqKioqTG9va2luZyBmb3IgYSBjYXIgdGhhdCdzIHNwb3J0eSwg ZnVuIGFuZCBmaXRzIGluIHlvdXIgYnVkZ2V0PyANClJlYWQgcmV2aWV3cyBvbiBBT0wgQXV0b3Mu ICAgICAgDQooaHR0cDovL2F1dG9zLmFvbC5jb20vY2Fycy1CTVctMTI4LTIwMDgvZXhwZXJ0LXJl dmlldz9uY2lkPWFvbGF1dDAwMDUwMDAwMDAwMDE3ICkNCg0K ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:55 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What set of plans do I use?? Plans can be ordered from the Pietenpol family at: http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/ Articles on built up spars can be found in the construction section of: www.westcoastpiet.com Don't downsize the rib capstrips. You won't save enough weight to make a difference. Roman Bukolt can comment on the steel tube fuselage. Where are you located Charley? You might have a Pietenpol close by that you can look at. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: "charles loomis" Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:59 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: What set of plans do I use?? > > > I have the original artical on building the Pietenpol. I want to build a > Piet with a Model A engine and I was wondering if there was a better set > of plans to build from, perhaps with a lighter empty weight? I was > wondering if the steel fuselage with built-up spars and even 1/4" x 1/4" > cap strips would bring the ship in a little lighter? Also my plans lack > the details for the steel fuselage, they give the structure details but > nothing about the mounting tabs. > > Anyway, any help, Ideas or opinions are greately apprecated. > Charley > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:26 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tail wheel From: "Phillips, Jack" I originally had a leaf spring. I changed it for the BHP design A-Arm setup Jack _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc Davis Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:19 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tail wheel Thanks Jack On West Coast Piet I see both setups on your plane. Which way did you switch? Thanks Marc _____ Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tail wheel From: Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com Marc, like most things the answer is: "It depends". It depends on how many leaves you have in your leaf spring, how long you make the A-Arm, what diameter tubing and what wall thickness. In my case it saved about 1.5 lbs. I also saved weight by going to the Aircraft Spruce "Homebuilders Special" 4" tailwheel instead of the 6" Scott that I started with. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc Davis Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: tail wheel Has anyone figured the weight of a standard leaf spring type tail wheel as compared to a Piet style tail skid converted to a tail wheel. I know there are many variations but I'm trying to decide if I should keep my current leaf spring or build a the original style. I need to improve my CG picture. Marc _____ Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. 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Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:32 AM PST US From: charles loomis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What set of plans do I use?? I live just outside Port Macquarie, Australia, but I'm originally from Kansas. The last Pietenpol I saw up close was about 15 years ago at K-State Salina, when I was attending for my Avionics courses. It was in a small room upstairs in a hanger, ready for covering. Unfortunately the builder passed away before he finished the ship, his craftsman ship was flawless. I'm sure someone on this list knows the aircraft I am speaking of. Charley --- On Wed, 8/13/08, gcardinal wrote: > From: gcardinal > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What set of plans do I use?? > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 9:28 PM > "gcardinal" > > Plans can be ordered from the Pietenpol family at: > http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/ > > Articles on built up spars can be found in the construction > section of: > www.westcoastpiet.com > > Don't downsize the rib capstrips. You won't save > enough weight to make a > difference. > Roman Bukolt can comment on the steel tube fuselage. > > Where are you located Charley? You might have a Pietenpol > close by that you > can look at. > > Greg Cardinal > Minneapolis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "charles loomis" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:59 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: What set of plans do I use?? > > > loomis > > > > > > I have the original artical on building the Pietenpol. > I want to build a > > Piet with a Model A engine and I was wondering if > there was a better set > > of plans to build from, perhaps with a lighter empty > weight? I was > > wondering if the steel fuselage with built-up spars > and even 1/4" x 1/4" > > cap strips would bring the ship in a little lighter? > Also my plans lack > > the details for the steel fuselage, they give the > structure details but > > nothing about the mounting tabs. > > > > Anyway, any help, Ideas or opinions are greately > apprecated. > > Charley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:18 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? Group, one thing I remember from A+P school, drafting classes and blueprint reading, is don't ever use measurements you physically take from the plans ( with a ruler on the paper).- Go by the published dimension.- I do not know if your full size rib has written dimensions at rib stations.- The reason for this is paper WILL change sizes with expansion, and contraction due to temp, and humididy.- Copy machines will usually not give a perfect 1 to 1 copy (much more noticable on a bigger drawing).- For a Piet or an y other low performance airplane I dont think 1/8 or even 1/4 inch would ma ke too much difference, the airplane would never know the difference.- Th e only thing that is critical would be the spar spacing, so that they all e nd up the same from the center section to the outboard wing pannels.- As a kid I remember building a couple of my early R/C models, and they were no t all top notch streight as an arrow ships, but they all flew, and flew well after trimming them out.- Just keep all the "Identical" pieces as " identical" as you can and don't swet the small stuff. - Just my 2 cents worth, Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:21 AM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet Try: http://www.airdromeairplanes.com/HeavyDutyWheels.html Looks like I'm going to get mine there. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rob Stapleton, Jr. Sent: August 13, 2008 3:29 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet It time to put the Piet on wheels. OK guys-anybody out there have wheels or brakes for a 1" axle, I can't find anything but new stuff here in Anchorage and it is really spendy. Not to choosy in Alaska. Rob ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:25 AM PST US From: Roy Brooks Subject: Pietenpol-List: As much as I hate to... I'll be selling my Piet project in a couple of week s=2C probably putting it on Ebay starting the auction as some very low pric e. Several years ago=2C I bought a project from a guy who was an Air Force mai ntenance officer on both the B-1 and B-2 aircraft. He also is an A&P/IA=2C moved a few times=2C took a job with Cessna after getting out of the milita ry... I bought this about 5 years ago and had plans to finish it with my father =2C but soon after I brought it home=2C my dad passed away=2C thus the proj ect has been gathering dust in my hanger here in Central Texas. It was originally set up for a Corvair=2C but I had planned on putting my C ontinental A-80 on it. The fabric was pulled back off the front of the fuse lage and probably needs to be completely replaced. It is a Piet fuselage wi th Grega wings. The original builder wanted the Grega wings because of the different stall characteristics=2C but he wanted the "looks" of a Pietenpol and built the fuselage from the Piet plans. The wings are covered and painted and it has an "number" already on the win gs=2C but they can be easily painted over. It has Honda CB 350 wheels (they look pretty cool) and I had them powder co ated red (I had planned on painting a Texas flag design or total red for th is project.) The center section was already built=2C but I removed the fabric and lower plywood with the intention of installing a small supplemental fuel tank... I have new plywood and fabric to recover. My dad said there needs to be som e washers welded onto the metal tabs that attach to the wings. I don't know why these were omitted by the original builder. The lift struts are ready to go and I have all the cables. The instrument panel IS NOT INCLUDED. I have a small fortune in the panel a nd I am keeping it (pilot and passenger both) I paid a lot of money for "pr emium carpathian burl elm" veneer that I laminated in a vacuum bag=2C and i t looks like it belongs in a 1930-ish Rolls Royce. Again=2C the panel and g auges are not for sale=2C please don't ask. If anybody is interested=2C please e-mail me off this list at "N900ML@HOTMA IL.COM" and I can provide more info and pictures. I won't be able to send a ny recent pictures anytime soon=2C but can do so sometime in mid September. I'll also be selling the rebuilt A-80 engine FOR PARTS ONLY. I don't want t he liability if someone goes flying and they nose in someday. My dad rebuil t the engine (he had an A&P license) and I simply want the engine to go as a "parts project" with the buyer signing a bill of sale stating this. The engine case was sent to Divco for a rebuild. The accessory case went of f for repair too. The cylinders were sent off and are Cermnil (the nickel b ore process=2C vastly superior to channel chrome=2C satin chrome) The crank was rebuilt I think M03 under. New bearings new=2C rod bolts=2C new Slick mags with dual impulse couplers... Long story made short=2C this engine loo ks like it just came out of the Twilight Zone as if being in a time warp si nce 1941. I also have a rebuilt yellow tagged carb on this engine and the i ntake tubes are powder coated candy apple blue. The valve covers are powde r coated in Continental yellow... I've never seen an A-65 or A-80 that is a s pretty as this engine. This engine even has a new data plate that looks i ncredible. All the info from the old data plate was PROFESSIONALLY engraved onto the new data plate. BUT AGAIN=2C I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE ENGINE WILL BE SOLD ONLY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS A "PARTS ENGINE=2C" not some thing that is ready to stab onto an airplane and go flying. The engine will be sold separate from the airplane project. If anybody wants a sneak preview=2C this project can be seen at the airport in Ballinger=2C Texas (between San Angelo and Abilene.) I won't be able to show it until sometime in mid or late September (please don't ask to see i t earlier). RSB _________________________________________________________________ Got Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergames?ocid=TXT_TAGHM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? From: "Pieti Lowell" In 1991 I received my print from H. Riblett, I first checked all the numbers to be sure that the print matched the airfoil, then I taped the print to the base board,and took a pin and went along all the lines punching small holes every half inch, before connecting the dots I rechecked the airfoil. Then I proceeded to finish the shape of the airfoil with a ball point pen. Construction is the same as Pietenpol Between each rib assembly I laid a sheet of Vis-quine,(spelling) and it worked well enough to finish my wing, and it did fly as well as Mr. Riblett predicted. The interesting thing, I recently remeasured the original drawing and it is much different than when I got it. If there is enough interest, I can pass along the Page 4 of Riblett's letter to me that gives these coordinates, and notes, In order to get them to size one must print out the page. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198374#198374 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:11 AM PST US From: Owen Davies Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? Among other comments, Pieti Lowell wrote: > If there is enough interest, I can pass along the Page 4 of Riblett's letter to me that gives these coordinates, and notes, In order to get them to size one must print out the page. > Pieti Lowell I would love to have a copy! Wouldn't surprise me if others felt the same way. Owen ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: No Title From: "TOPGUN" got any pictures? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198379#198379 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:24 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Roy, I am sorry for the loss of your father and the drive to finish this pr oject. It is understandable...life will jack you pretty hard at times and t he unforseen futer is always changing. I wish you and yours the best and ho pe that maybe someday, the "building bug" will visit you again. - I am new to this project and am just now getting my wing jigs made. I am al ways looking to purchase what I will need in the future...engine included. If the engine does not sell with the plane, I would be interested in talkin g to you about purchasing it. Please let me know, when you know. Thanks. --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Roy Brooks wrote: From: Roy Brooks Subject: Pietenpol-List: #yiv1594811430 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1594811430 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} As much as I hate to... I'll be selling my Piet project in a couple of week s, probably putting it on Ebay starting the auction as some very low price. Several years ago, I bought a project from a guy who was an Air Force maint enance officer on both the B-1 and B-2 aircraft. He also is an A&P/IA, move d a few times, took a job with Cessna after getting out of the military... I bought this about 5 years ago and had plans to finish it with my father, but soon after I brought it home, my dad passed away, thus the project has been gathering dust in my hanger here in Central Texas. It was originally set up for a Corvair, but I had planned on putting my Con tinental A-80 on it. The fabric was pulled back off the front of the fusela ge and probably needs to be completely replaced. It is a Piet fuselage with Grega wings. The original builder wanted the Grega wings because of the di fferent stall characteristics, but he wanted the "looks" of a Pietenpol and built the fuselage from the Piet plans. The wings are covered and painted and it has an "number" already on the win gs, but they can be easily painted over. It has Honda CB 350 wheels (they look pretty cool) and I had them powder co ated red (I had planned on painting a Texas flag design or total red for th is project.) The center section was already built, but I removed the fabric and lower pl ywood with the intention of installing a small supplemental fuel tank... I have new plywood and fabric to recover. My dad said there needs to be some washers welded onto the metal tabs that attach to the wings. I don't know w hy these were omitted by the original builder. The lift struts are ready to go and I have all the cables. The instrument panel IS NOT INCLUDED. I have a small fortune in the panel a nd I am keeping it (pilot and passenger both) I paid a lot of money for "pr emium carpathian burl elm" veneer that I laminated in a vacuum bag, and it looks like it belongs in a 1930-ish Rolls Royce. Again, the panel and gauge s are not for sale, please don't ask. If anybody is interested, please e-mail me off this list at "N900ML@HOTMAIL .COM" and I can provide more info and pictures. I won't be able to send any recent pictures anytime soon, but can do so sometime in mid September. I'll also be selling the rebuilt A-80 engine FOR PARTS ONLY. I don't want t he liability if someone goes flying and they nose in someday. My dad rebuil t the engine (he had an A&P license) and I simply want the engine to go as a "parts project" with the buyer signing a bill of sale stating this. The engine case was sent to Divco for a rebuild. The accessory case went of f for repair too. The cylinders were sent off and are Cermnil (the nickel b ore process, vastly superior to channel chrome, satin chrome) The crank was rebuilt I think M03 under. New bearings new, rod bolts, new Slick mags wit h dual impulse couplers... Long story made short, this engine looks like it just came out of the Twilight Zone as if being in a time warp since 1941. I also have a rebuilt yellow tagged carb on this engine and the intake tube s are powder- coated candy apple blue. The valve covers are powder coated in Continental yellow... I've never seen an A-65 or A-80 that is as pretty as this engine. This engine even has a new data plate that looks incredibl e. All the info from the old data plate was PROFESSIONALLY engraved onto th e new data plate. BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE ENGINE WILL BE SOLD ON LY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS A "PARTS ENGINE," not something that is ready to stab onto an airplane and go flying. The engine will be s old separate from the airplane project. If anybody wants a sneak preview, this project can be seen at the airport i n Ballinger, Texas (between San Angelo and Abilene.) I won't be able to sho w it until sometime in mid or late September (please don't ask to see it ea rlier). RSB Got Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest Find out how. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: With great dismay From: outofthebox50@yahoo.com QSB3ZWVrIGluIEhhd2FpaSBzdXg/ICANCg0KSW50ZXJuZXQgc2lyLCBmb3IgdGhlIFBpZXQgZml4 Lg0KDQogSSBoYXZlbid0IGFjdHVhbGx5IHNlZW4gYSBmbHlpbmcgUGlldCB5ZXQuICBEYWQgd2Fu dHMgdG8gZmx5IHRvIGNob3JwdXMgY2hyaXN0eSBpbiB0aGUgcmFucyB3aGVuIGl0IGNvb2xzIG9m Zi4gIEknbSBob3Bpbmcgd2UgY2FuIHN0b3AgYW5kIGJ1bSBhIHJpZGUgZnJvbSBvbmUgb2YgdGhl IGZseWluZyBQaWV0cywgc291dGggb2YgdXMsICBvbiB0aGUgd2F5LiANCg0KSmVyZW15IGluIERh bGxhcw0KDQpEbyBub3QgYXJjaGl2ZQ0KIA0KU2VudCB2aWEgQmxhY2tCZXJyeSBmcm9tIFQtTW9i aWxlDQoNCi0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tDQpGcm9tOiAiSm9obiBSZWNpbmUiIDxB bXNhZmV0eUNAYW9sLmNvbT4NCg0KRGF0ZTogV2VkLCAxMyBBdWcgMjAwOCAxMToxOTozNSANClRv OiA8cGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbT4NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBQaWV0ZW5wb2wt TGlzdDogV2l0aCBncmVhdCBkaXNtYXkNCg0KDQoNCg= ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:48 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? Copy that Shad. My plan has no specific numbers other then the spar locatio ns. To measure and duplicate would be at best, an eyeball copy. What I ened ed up doing was laid tracing paper over the print, copied it and-used a r uler to duplicate the cross members and other straight lines. This traced c opy will be laid on the jig and covered with thin plastic. Took about 30 mi n. to do, saved me an additional $10.00 and I still have my new original. - For those of you who question my eagerness to do things different and ask q uestions: if all we did was follow the crowd, we would still be getting aro und in horse and buggy. --- On Wed, 8/13/08, shad bell wrote: From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? Group, one thing I remember from A+P school, drafting classes and blueprint reading, is don't ever use measurements you physically take from the plans ( with a ruler on the paper).- Go by the published dimension.- I do not know if your full size rib has written dimensions at rib stations.- The reason for this is paper WILL change sizes with expansion, and contraction due to temp, and humididy.- Copy machines will usually not give a perfect 1 to 1 copy (much more noticable on a bigger drawing).- For a Piet or an y other low performance airplane I dont think 1/8 or even 1/4 inch would ma ke too much difference, the airplane would never know the difference.- Th e only thing that is critical would be the spar spacing, so that they all e nd up the same from the center section to the outboard wing pannels.- As a kid I remember building a couple of my early R/C models, and they were no t all top notch streight as an arrow ships, but they all flew, and flew well after trimming them out.- Just keep all the "Identical" pieces as " identical" as you can and don't swet the small stuff. - Just my 2 cents worth, Shad 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:19 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: With great dismay Thats what you get for living in paradise. But think how good it will feel to be able to say that you are the first to build (and fly) a Piet in paradise. You can post some pics of you in your Piet flying over one of those volcanoes. Rick On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 5:19 AM, John Recine wrote: > There are no Piets in Hawaii. Just landed Ohare on the way back home with > no projects to look at this past week > > A week without a Piet just plane sux > > John > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > ------------------------------ > *From*: HelsperSew@aol.com > *Date*: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:48:16 EDT > *To*: > *Subject*: Re: Pietenpol-List: What set of plans do I use?? > Charley, > > If you are using a Model A, make sure and research the archives on the > subject of moving your engine forward. I missed this, and was surprised to > find this out. It turns out that I am OK with me as the pilot, but I am only > 150 lbs. > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > ------------------------------ > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews > on AOL Autos > . > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:43 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet Rob, Don't rush into anything. I think I likely have what you want, from my first Piet project. I will measure later today and get back to you. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." >Sent: Aug 13, 2008 2:28 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet > >It time to put the Piet on wheels. > >OK guys-anybody out there have wheels or brakes for a 1" axle, I can't find >anything but new stuff here in Anchorage and it is really spendy. > >Not to choosy in Alaska. > >Rob > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:02 AM PST US From: Roy Brooks Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet for sale Sorry. I didn't put the correct topic on this message=2C but it is in regar d to the Piet project I plan on selling in mid to late September. I used to be on this list a couple of years ago (started the TACO movement) and just wanted to give you guys a heads-up if anyone is looking to "jump-start" an Air Camper and be miles ahead of the game. When this project sells=2C I won't be much help in being able to load the s tuff onto or in a trailer. So=2C be prepared to bring a friend or two... I' ve turned into a decrepit old guy. Stayed tuned... Pictures and info will be available in mid to late Septembe r. (Sorry for the double-post) From: n900ml@hotmail.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: As much as I hate to... I'll be selling my Piet project in a couple of week s=2C probably putting it on Ebay starting the auction as some very low pric e. Several years ago=2C I bought a project from a guy who was an Air Force mai ntenance officer on both the B-1 and B-2 aircraft. He also is an A&P/IA=2C moved a few times=2C took a job with Cessna after getting out of the milita ry... I bought this about 5 years ago and had plans to finish it with my father =2C but soon after I brought it home=2C my dad passed away=2C thus the proj ect has been gathering dust in my hanger here in Central Texas. It was originally set up for a Corvair=2C but I had planned on putting my C ontinental A-80 on it. The fabric was pulled back off the front of the fuse lage and probably needs to be completely replaced. It is a Piet fuselage wi th Grega wings. The original builder wanted the Grega wings because of the different stall characteristics=2C but he wanted the "looks" of a Pietenpol and built the fuselage from the Piet plans. The wings are covered and painted and it has an "number" already on the win gs=2C but they can be easily painted over. It has Honda CB 350 wheels (they look pretty cool) and I had them powder co ated red (I had planned on painting a Texas flag design or total red for th is project.) The center section was already built=2C but I removed the fabric and lower plywood with the intention of installing a small supplemental fuel tank... I have new plywood and fabric to recover. My dad said there needs to be som e washers welded onto the metal tabs that attach to the wings. I don't know why these were omitted by the original builder. The lift struts are ready to go and I have all the cables. The instrument panel IS NOT INCLUDED. I have a small fortune in the panel a nd I am keeping it (pilot and passenger both) I paid a lot of money for "pr emium carpathian burl elm" veneer that I laminated in a vacuum bag=2C and i t looks like it belongs in a 1930-ish Rolls Royce. Again=2C the panel and g auges are not for sale=2C please don't ask. If anybody is interested=2C please e-mail me off this list at "N900ML@HOTMA IL.COM" and I can provide more info and pictures. I won't be able to send a ny recent pictures anytime soon=2C but can do so sometime in mid September. I'll also be selling the rebuilt A-80 engine FOR PARTS ONLY. I don't want t he liability if someone goes flying and they nose in someday. My dad rebuil t the engine (he had an A&P license) and I simply want the engine to go as a "parts project" with the buyer signing a bill of sale stating this. The engine case was sent to Divco for a rebuild. The accessory case went of f for repair too. The cylinders were sent off and are Cermnil (the nickel b ore process=2C vastly superior to channel chrome=2C satin chrome) The crank was rebuilt I think M03 under. New bearings new=2C rod bolts=2C new Slick mags with dual impulse couplers... Long story made short=2C this engine loo ks like it just came out of the Twilight Zone as if being in a time warp si nce 1941. I also have a rebuilt yellow tagged carb on this engine and the i ntake tubes are powder coated candy apple blue. The valve covers are powde r coated in Continental yellow... I've never seen an A-65 or A-80 that is a s pretty as this engine. This engine even has a new data plate that looks i ncredible. All the info from the old data plate was PROFESSIONALLY engraved onto the new data plate. BUT AGAIN=2C I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE ENGINE WILL BE SOLD ONLY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS A "PARTS ENGINE=2C" not some thing that is ready to stab onto an airplane and go flying. The engine will be sold separate from the airplane project. If anybody wants a sneak preview=2C this project can be seen at the airport in Ballinger=2C Texas (between San Angelo and Abilene.) I won't be able to show it until sometime in mid or late September (please don't ask to see i t earlier). RSB Got Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest Find out how. _________________________________________________________________ Your PC=2C mobile phone=2C and online services work together like never bef ore. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:39 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet for sale From: "Phillips, Jack" You mean to say Roy Brooks is the same as Sterling Brooks, the Head Honcho of TACO? Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roy Brooks Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet for sale Sorry. I didn't put the correct topic on this message, but it is in regard to the Piet project I plan on selling in mid to late September. I used to be on this list a couple of years ago (started the TACO movement) and just wanted to give you guys a heads-up if anyone is looking to "jump-start" an Air Camper and be miles ahead of the game. When this project sells, I won't be much help in being able to load the stuff onto or in a trailer. So, be prepared to bring a friend or two... I've turned into a decrepit old guy. Stayed tuned... Pictures and info will be available in mid to late September. (Sorry for the double-post) _____ From: n900ml@hotmail.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: As much as I hate to... I'll be selling my Piet project in a couple of weeks, probably putting it on Ebay starting the auction as some very low price. Several years ago, I bought a project from a guy who was an Air Force maintenance officer on both the B-1 and B-2 aircraft. He also is an A&P/IA, moved a few times, took a job with Cessna after getting out of the military... I bought this about 5 years ago and had plans to finish it with my father, but soon after I brought it home, my dad passed away, thus the project has been gathering dust in my hanger here in Central Texas. It was originally set up for a Corvair, but I had planned on putting my Continental A-80 on it. The fabric was pulled back off the front of the fuselage and probably needs to be completely replaced. It is a Piet fuselage with Grega wings. The original builder wanted the Grega wings because of the different stall characteristics, but he wanted the "looks" of a Pietenpol and built the fuselage from the Piet plans. The wings are covered and painted and it has an "number" already on the wings, but they can be easily painted over. It has Honda CB 350 wheels (they look pretty cool) and I had them powder coated red (I had planned on painting a Texas flag design or total red for this project.) The center section was already built, but I removed the fabric and lower plywood with the intention of installing a small supplemental fuel tank... I have new plywood and fabric to recover. My dad said there needs to be some washers welded onto the metal tabs that attach to the wings. I don't know why these were omitted by the original builder. The lift struts are ready to go and I have all the cables. The instrument panel IS NOT INCLUDED. I have a small fortune in the panel and I am keeping it (pilot and passenger both) I paid a lot of money for "premium carpathian burl elm" veneer that I laminated in a vacuum bag, and it looks like it belongs in a 1930-ish Rolls Royce. Again, the panel and gauges are not for sale, please don't ask. If anybody is interested, please e-mail me off this list at "N900ML@HOTMAIL.COM" and I can provide more info and pictures. I won't be able to send any recent pictures anytime soon, but can do so sometime in mid September. I'll also be selling the rebuilt A-80 engine FOR PARTS ONLY. I don't want the liability if someone goes flying and they nose in someday. My dad rebuilt the engine (he had an A&P license) and I simply want the engine to go as a "parts project" with the buyer signing a bill of sale stating this. The engine case was sent to Divco for a rebuild. The accessory case went off for repair too. The cylinders were sent off and are Cermnil (the nickel bore process, vastly superior to channel chrome, satin chrome) The crank was rebuilt I think M03 under. New bearings new, rod bolts, new Slick mags with dual impulse couplers... Long story made short, this engine looks like it just came out of the Twilight Zone as if being in a time warp since 1941. I also have a rebuilt yellow tagged carb on this engine and the intake tubes are powder coated candy apple blue. The valve covers are powder coated in Continental yellow... I've never seen an A-65 or A-80 that is as pretty as this engine. This engine even has a new data plate that looks incredible. All the info from the old data plate was PROFESSIONALLY engraved onto the new data plate. BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE ENGINE WILL BE SOLD ONLY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS A "PARTS ENGINE," not something that is ready to stab onto an airplane and go flying. The engine will be sold separate from the airplane project. If anybody wants a sneak preview, this project can be seen at the airport in Ballinger, Texas (between San Angelo and Abilene.) I won't be able to show it until sometime in mid or late September (please don't ask to see it earlier). RSB _____ Got Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest Find out how. st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution _____ Your PC, mobile phone, and online services8587394/direct/01/' target='_new'>See how Windows(r) fits your life This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any o ther use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Fr ancais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Svenska: w ww.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:12 AM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? Jim Boyer Hi Lowell, I would appreciate a copy of the cordinates for the Riblett. I got a drawing of it from Bill Rewey at Brodhead last week but it doesn't have any coordinates. Thanks, Jim On Aug 13, 2008, Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com wrote: In 1991 I received my print from H. Riblett, I first checked all the numbers to be sure that the print matched the airfoil, then I taped the print to the base board,and took a pin and went along all the lines punching small holes every half inch, before connecting the dots I rechecked the airfoil. Then I proceeded to finish the shape of the airfoil with a ball point pen. Construction is the same as Pietenpol Between each rib assembly I laid a sheet of Vis-quine,(spelling) and it worked well enough to finish my wing, and it did fly as well as Mr. Riblett predicted. The interesting thing, I recently remeasured the original drawing and it is much different than when I got it. If there is enough interest, I can pass along the Page 4 of Riblett's letter to me that gives these coordinates, and notes, In order to get them to size one must print out the page. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198374#198374 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:12 AM PST US From: "Ken Chambers" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? I'd love to see page 4, just to check my out my print before I poke it full of holes. Ken On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Pieti Lowell wrote: > Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com> > > In 1991 I received my print from H. Riblett, I first checked all the > numbers to be sure that the print matched the airfoil, then I taped the > print to the base board,and took a pin and went along all the lines punching > small holes every half inch, before connecting the dots I rechecked the > airfoil. Then I proceeded to finish the shape of the airfoil with a ball > point pen. Construction is the same as Pietenpol > Between each rib assembly I laid a sheet of Vis-quine,(spelling) and it > worked well enough to finish my wing, and it did fly as well as Mr. Riblett > predicted. The interesting thing, I recently remeasured the original drawing > and it is much different than when I got it. > If there is enough interest, I can pass along the Page 4 of Riblett's > letter to me that gives these coordinates, and notes, In order to get them > to size one must print out the page. > Pieti Lowell > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198374#198374 > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: TACO From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" I still carry my Sterling Brooks-issued honorary TACO (Texas Air Camper Organization) photo ID card in my backpack to Oshkosh in case anyone questions my credibility. Once I show them they are then certain of my lack thereof. It wasn't easy for a Yankee like me to become a recipient of an authentic TACO card....and I'm forever grateful ! Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:22 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: From print to jig...how? I have to agree with Clif on this one. I ended up lofting the dimensions for the Piet airfoil off the plans, even though I got the full size rib print with my plan set. As I recall there was a slight difference in size between the spars, However in retrospect, 1/4 inch difference in that distance won't make a bit of difference since all the ribs come off the same jig. If you already have a full size riblet plan, what in the world are you going to do with it after you make your jig?? Don't get too bogged down on the small stuff like this or you'll never get through the things that aren't covered in the plans. Just my 2 cents Ben Charvet Clif Dawson wrote: > You know, it seems to me it would be just as fast and also > absolutely accurate if you just lay out the ordinates on your > base with a good ole' bic pen. > > You guys are spending waaayyyy to much time and money > agonizing over this crap. It would be done already and > you'd even have two ribs done for show and tell at tomorrows > EAA meeting! > > Next time your wife comes home after spending six hours > and burning $30 in gas to save $10 on a new dress you > won't have anything to say about it. :-) :-) > > Clif > > > "Neither can the wave that has passed by be recalled, > nor the hour which has passed return again." > ~ Ovid > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: >From print to jig...how? > > The simplest way to end up with an undamaged full size Riblett > plan, I would think, would be to just buy two prints. Another $10 > and you can have one print on the jig, and one in perfect > condition for reference or what have you. > > Ryan > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Michael Perez > > wrote: > > > My mistake, what I am asking is: is there a way to easily > transfer the plan onto the jig, and keep the original plan > intact. I have heard how to simply make a copy is not always > good, wondering if there is any other way. The making holes > and connecting the dots is a way I haven't thought of. I guess > once the jig is made and proven, we don't need the plan, but I > would like to try and salvage mine. > > It seems the easiest is to tape it down, cover with plastic, > build. > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > 8/12/2008 4:59 PM > * > > ** > > > ** ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:53 PM PST US From: BScott116@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? Paper will shrink under various atmospheric conditions. In a message dated 8/13/2008 9:19:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Pieti Lowell" In 1991 I received my print from H. Riblett, I first checked all the numbers to be sure that the print matched the airfoil, then I taped the print to the base board,and took a pin and went along all the lines punching small holes every half inch, before connecting the dots I rechecked the airfoil. Then I proceeded to finish the shape of the airfoil with a ball point pen. Construction is the same as Pietenpol Between each rib assembly I laid a sheet of Vis-quine,(spelling) and it worked well enough to finish my wing, and it did fly as well as Mr. Riblett predicted. The interesting thing, I recently remeasured the original drawing and it is much different than when I got it. If there is enough interest, I can pass along the Page 4 of Riblett's letter to me that gives these coordinates, and notes, In order to get them to size one must print out the page. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198374#198374 **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:36 PM PST US From: "ALAN LYSCARS" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? Dear Pieti, I, too, have the full-size Riblett template. I intend to use the airfoil on my GN-1. If it's not too much trouble I'd like for you to send me what you've got. I think your information would give me a more broad understanding of this airfoil- of which knowledge, of course, I could pass on to younger airplane nuts. Yours, Al Lyscars Manchester, NH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pieti Lowell" Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? > > > In 1991 I received my print from H. Riblett, I first checked all the > numbers to be sure that the print matched the airfoil, then I taped the > print to the base board,and took a pin and went along all the lines > punching small holes every half inch, before connecting the dots I > rechecked the airfoil. Then I proceeded to finish the shape of the airfoil > with a ball point pen. Construction is the same as Pietenpol > Between each rib assembly I laid a sheet of Vis-quine,(spelling) and it > worked well enough to finish my wing, and it did fly as well as Mr. > Riblett predicted. The interesting thing, I recently remeasured the > original drawing and it is much different than when I got it. > If there is enough interest, I can pass along the Page 4 of Riblett's > letter to me that gives these coordinates, and notes, In order to get them > to size one must print out the page. > Pieti Lowell > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198374#198374 > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:38 PM PST US From: Tim Verthein Subject: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Update Egad David! You must have hit it lucky. I went to warshows.com and looked up the Great Waldo Pepper. Here's the listing: "GREAT WALDO PEPPER SKU: AC54,AC54DVD (1975) Lots of flying and lots of fun in this great Redford flying festival film. Robert Redford, Bo Svenson. 107 min. This title has been out of print for awhile. Available on VHS (MAY BE USED), AND DVD PRICE: $99.98 $99.98 VHS $99.98 DVD" I consider sending out freebie copies to be a service to the aviation community and a somewhat slap in the face to the movie company and collectors. This is the sort of movie that generally winds up in sale bins at walmart for $5 that nobody buys because they've never heard of it. For some reason it's been out of print for years. I've mailed out a mountain of these the past few days and if you're one of those who e-mailed me for one you should have it shortly. Enjoy them. If you didn't email me for one but posted to the list only, I *may* miss you. Tim in Bovey Gentleman, I bought a copy of the Waldo Pepper DVD while at Oshkosh for $32.00 (New). The vendor imports the DVD's from Germany. The DVD cover is in German, but the movie is in English. The movie is titled "Tollkuhne Flieger" with Robert Redford. If anyone is interested go to www.warshows.com or call at 1-973-328-8488. Take care, David ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:26 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: From print to jig...how? Why does it matter so much that I want to keep the print in nice condition? - I'm not asking about sizes, shapes, measurements, etc. I just wanted to know how to transfer the lines from one to another. Is that so wrong? Simp le question, I thought. --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Ben Charvet wrote: From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: From print to jig...how? I have to agree with Clif on this one. I ended up lofting the dimensions for the Piet airfoil off the plans, even though I got the full size rib print with my plan set. As I recall there was a slight difference in size between the spars, However in retrospect, 1/4 inch difference in that distance won't make a bit of difference since all the ribs come off the same jig. If you already have a full size riblet plan, what in the world are you going to do with it after you make your jig?? Don't get too bogged down on the small stuff like this or you'll never get through the things that aren't covered in the plans. Just my 2 cents Ben Charvet Clif Dawson wrote: > You know, it seems to me it would be just as fast and also > absolutely accurate if you just lay out the ordinates on your > base with a good ole' bic pen. > > You guys are spending waaayyyy to much time and money > agonizing over this crap. It would be done already and > you'd even have two ribs done for show and tell at tomorrows > EAA meeting! > > Next time your wife comes home after spending six hours > and burning $30 in gas to save $10 on a new dress you > won't have anything to say about it. :-) :-) > > Clif > > > "Neither can the wave that has passed by be recalled, > nor the hour which has passed return again." > ~ Ovid > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: >From print to jig...how? > > The simplest way to end up with an undamaged full size Riblett > plan, I would think, would be to just buy two prints. Another $10 > and you can have one print on the jig, and one in perfect > condition for reference or what have you. > > Ryan > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Michael Perez > > wrote: > > > My mistake, what I am asking is: is there a way to easily > transfer the plan onto the jig, and keep the original plan > intact. I have heard how to simply make a copy is not always > good, wondering if there is any other way. The making holes > and connecting the dots is a way I haven't thought of. I guess > once the jig is made and proven, we don't need the plan, but I > would like to try and salvage mine. > > It seems the easiest is to tape it down, cover with plastic, > build. > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > 8/12/2008 4:59 PM > * > > ** > > > ** ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:26 PM PST US From: "Jim Lathrop" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: From print to jig...how? I just covered my jig material with carbon paper, laid the full size print on top and traced it with a blunt nail. No damage to source and a nice copy on the jig. Jim On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > Why does it matter so much that I want to keep the print in nice > condition? I'm not asking about sizes, shapes, measurements, etc. I just > wanted to know how to transfer the lines from one to another. Is that so > wrong? Simple question, I thought. > > > --- On *Wed, 8/13/08, Ben Charvet * wrote: > > From: Ben Charvet > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: From print to jig...how? > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:18 PM > > > > > I have to agree with Clif on this one. I ended up lofting the > dimensions for the Piet airfoil off the plans, even though I got the > full size rib print with my plan set. As I recall there was a slight > difference in size between the spars, However in retrospect, 1/4 inch > difference in that distance won't make a bit of difference since all the > ribs come off the same jig. If you already have a full size riblet > plan, what in the world are you going to do with it after you make your > jig?? Don't get too bogged down on the small stuff like this or you'll > > never get through the things that aren't covered in the plans. > > Just my 2 cents > > Ben Charvet > > > Clif Dawson wrote: > > You know, it seems to me it would be just as fast and also > > absolutely accurate if you just lay out the ordinates on your > > base with a good ole' bic pen. > > > > You guys are spending waaayyyy to much time and money > > agonizing over this crap. It would be done already and > > you'd even have two ribs done for show and tell at tomorrows > > EAA meeting! > > > > Next time your wife comes home after spending six hours > > and burning $30 in gas to save $10 on a new dress you > > won't have anything to say about it. :-) :-) > > > > Clif > > > > > > "Neither can the wave that has passed by be recalled, > > nor the hour which has passed return again." > > ~ Ovid > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: >From print to jig...how? > > > > The simplest way to end up with an undamaged full size Riblett > > plan, I would think, would be to just buy two prints. Another $10 > > and you can have one print on the jig, and one in perfect > > condition for reference or what have you. > > > > Ryan > > > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Michael Perez > > > wrote: > > > > > > My mistake, what I am asking is: is there a way to easily > > transfer the plan onto the jig, and keep the original plan > > intact. I have heard how to simply make a copy is not always > > good, wondering if there is any other way. The making holes > > and connecting the dots is a way I haven't thought of. I guess > > once the jig is made and proven, we don't need the plan, but I > > would like to try and salvage mine. > > > > It seems the easiest is to tape it down, cover with plastic, > > build. > > > > * > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > 8/12/2008 4:59 PM > > * > > > > ** > > > > > > ** > > > * > > 3D > * > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:43 PM PST US From: johnwoods@westnet.com.au Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? For those who may not be aware, a spreadsheet of the 612 section with co-orgdinates was posted here a while ago. JohnW ---- Original Message ---- From: owen5819@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? > > >Among other comments, Pieti Lowell wrote: >> If there is enough interest, I can pass along the Page 4 of >Riblett's letter to me that gives these coordinates, and notes, In >order to get them to size one must print out the page. >> Pieti Lowell >I would love to have a copy! Wouldn't surprise me if others felt the >same way. > >Owen > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.