Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Thu 08/14/08


Total Messages Posted: 36



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     1. 05:10 AM - Route 3/4" spar? (Michael Perez)
     2. 05:43 AM - TACO (Oscar Zuniga)
     3. 06:32 AM - Re: Route 3/4" spar? (hvandervoo@aol.com)
     4. 06:38 AM - Re: Route 3/4" spar? (Ed G.)
     5. 06:58 AM - Re: Route 3/4" spar? (HelsperSew@aol.com)
     6. 07:11 AM - Re: Route 3/4" spar? (Rick Holland)
     7. 07:35 AM - Aileron hinge (Jack T. Textor)
     8. 07:36 AM - print to rib- cont'd (Tim Willis)
     9. 08:32 AM - Re: Aileron hinge (Ed G.)
    10. 08:32 AM - Re: Route 3/4" spar? (Michael Perez)
    11. 09:48 AM - Re: Waldo Update (David Jones)
    12. 10:25 AM - Re: Aileron hinge (walt)
    13. 10:26 AM - Re: Waldo Update (Michael Silvius)
    14. 10:58 AM - Re: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet (Tim Willis)
    15. 11:11 AM - Re: Waldo Update (David Jones)
    16. 11:16 AM - Re: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet (Rob Stapleton, Jr.)
    17. 11:18 AM - Re: Aileron hinge (Jack T. Textor)
    18. 11:51 AM - Re: Aileron hinge (Lagowski Morrow)
    19. 12:07 PM - Re: Aileron hinge (Phillips, Jack)
    20. 12:12 PM - Re: Route 3/4" spar? (Rick Holland)
    21. 12:16 PM - Aileron hinges (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
    22. 12:23 PM - Re: Aileron hinges (HelsperSew@aol.com)
    23. 12:41 PM - in lieu of inter-rib lacing tape....wing bay explaination  (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
    24. 12:42 PM - Re: Aileron hinges (Jim Markle)
    25. 12:54 PM - Do have "the video" (HelsperSew@aol.com)
    26. 12:55 PM - Re: Aileron hinges (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
    27. 01:56 PM - Re: Route 3/4" spar? (Barry Davis)
    28. 03:39 PM - Re: Waldo Update (Gene Rambo)
    29. 04:16 PM - John Deere alternator (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
    30. 06:36 PM - Re: spark plugs (H RULE)
    31. 06:50 PM - Re: spark plugs (skellytown flyer)
    32. 07:40 PM - old engine for sale (Oscar Zuniga)
    33. 08:47 PM - Re: old engine for sale (Ryan Mueller)
    34. 08:50 PM - Re: spark plugs (walt)
    35. 08:52 PM - Re: spark plugs (walt)
    36. 11:47 PM - Re: Waldo Update (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:10:42 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Route 3/4" spar?
    I am have decided to use solid Sitka 3/4" spars with my Riblett ribs. My qu estions are now as follows:-should I route out the front 3/4" spar? Shoul d I do both? Rear only? Neither?


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    Time: 05:43:37 AM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: TACO
    I, too, am a card-carrying full Colonel in the TACO organization. I have to caution some of you about Mike Cuy... being a yankee, Sterling issued Mike a "green card" for undocumented aliens. I'll bet he even eats salsa that comes out of a jar and eats tamales with the shuck still on 'em. As to transferring the outline of a wing rib plan to a board or another piece of paper, I used my wife's pattern tracer from her sewing stuff. It looks like a miniature pizza cutter but with little teeth on the rim of the wheel. As you follow the outline of your template, the wheel makes a continuous string of tiny holes. You pull off your template and go over the row of holes with the edge of a pencil to define the line, then get a flexible stick or ship's curve (if you have one) along the edge and fair in a nice true dark line. that's what I did on my Flying Squirrel. I agonized over getting it exact whereas a quick glance at the prototype shows that the designer simply built and flew, with very little concern for exactitude. His flew long ago, mine ain't yet. Moral of the story: don't worry about precision. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 06:32:59 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Route 3/4" spar?
    From: hvandervoo@aol.com
    Neither Hans -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 7:09 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Route 3/4" spar? I am have decided to use solid Sitka 3/4" spars with my Riblett ribs. My questions are now as follows:should I route out the front 3/4" spar? Should I do both? Rear only? Neither? D======================= =========== D======================= =========== D3D====3 D======================= =========== D======================= ===========


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    Time: 06:38:24 AM PST US
    From: "Ed G." <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Route 3/4" spar?
    Niether.... >From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Route 3/4" spar? >Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:09:21 -0700 (PDT) > >I am have decided to use solid Sitka 3/4" spars with my Riblett ribs. My >questions are now as follows:should I route out the front 3/4" spar? >Should I do both? Rear only? Neither?


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    Time: 06:58:46 AM PST US
    From: HelsperSew@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Route 3/4" spar?
    Neither Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )


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    Time: 07:11:48 AM PST US
    From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Route 3/4" spar?
    None of the above. On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 6:09 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote: > I am have decided to use solid Sitka 3/4" spars with my Riblett ribs. My > questions are now as follows: should I route out the front 3/4" spar? Should > I do both? Rear only? Neither? > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado


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    Time: 07:35:45 AM PST US
    Subject: Aileron hinge
    From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
    Awhile back, on another subject, someone stated they installed their aileron hinge before cutting the aileron free. I'm trying to figure out how to do that. Was it a temporary attachment? Also, after temporarily mounting the hinge, have people had problems with a fit after covering? I'm planning on using a full length piano hinge. If it binds, I will cut into sections after it is attached. Thanks, Jack www.textors.com


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    Time: 07:36:52 AM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: print to rib- cont'd
    You all must be doing something wrong. My wife is going to make her dress from aircraft dacron, just as soon as she can transfer the pattern... with a Bic pen ;) Unless it has something to do with an RV, no one at my EAA group (Austin) is interested. Tony Bingelis is rolling over in his grave. Tim in central TX do not archive ======================== You guys are spending waaayyyy to much time and money > agonizing over this crap. It would be done already and > you'd even have two ribs done for show and tell at tomorrows > EAA meeting! > > Next time your wife comes home after spending six hours > and burning $30 in gas to save $10 on a new dress you > won't have anything to say about it. :-) :-)


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    Time: 08:32:44 AM PST US
    From: "Ed G." <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Aileron hinge
    Hi Jack......I installed my hinges before cutting the aileron free from the wing. It worked out great, BUT, I used the modified strap hinges as per the plans. They will simply poke through a slot in the fabric when covered. I don't see how you would be able to fit up a piano hinge before cutting the aileron free.... Ed Grentzer >From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge >Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:33:38 -0500 > >Awhile back, on another subject, someone stated they installed their >aileron hinge before cutting the aileron free. I'm trying to figure out >how to do that. Was it a temporary attachment? Also, after temporarily >mounting the hinge, have people had problems with a fit after covering? >I'm planning on using a full length piano hinge. If it binds, I will >cut into sections after it is attached. > >Thanks, > >Jack > >www.textors.com > >


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    Time: 08:32:44 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Route 3/4" spar?
    So, what you guys are trying to tell me is to route both spars down to 1/4" and use lots of lightning holes?-- - Thanks for the replys. Sounds like solid it is.


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    Time: 09:48:30 AM PST US
    From: "David Jones" <planecrazy2020@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Waldo Update
    Tim, I just called the phone number for Belle & Blade War Video (www.warshows.com) [1-800-365-2104] and spoke to Linda concerning "The Great Waldo Pepper" movie DVD. She said that it is in stock for $32.00 (imported from Germany) and to call her and ask for the movie and it is not listed on the web site or catalog currently, they need to update. I've been trying to find the old TV series "The Tales of the Golden Monkey" which Linda is working on. Does anyone remember this series about 25 years ago? Good Luck, David On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>wrote: > minoxphotographer@yahoo.com> > > Egad David! You must have hit it lucky. I went to warshows.com and looked > up the Great Waldo Pepper. Here's the listing: > "GREAT WALDO PEPPER > SKU: AC54,AC54DVD > (1975) Lots of flying and lots of fun in this great Redford flying festival > film. Robert Redford, Bo Svenson. 107 min. This title has been out of print > for awhile. Available on VHS (MAY BE USED), AND DVD > PRICE: $99.98 > $99.98 VHS > $99.98 DVD" > > I consider sending out freebie copies to be a service to the aviation > community and a somewhat slap in the face to the movie company and > collectors. This is the sort of movie that generally winds up in sale bins > at walmart for $5 that nobody buys because they've never heard of it. For > some reason it's been out of print for years. > > I've mailed out a mountain of these the past few days and if you're one of > those who e-mailed me for one you should have it shortly. Enjoy them. If > you didn't email me for one but posted to the list only, I *may* miss you. > > Tim in Bovey > > Gentleman, > > I bought a copy of the Waldo Pepper DVD while at Oshkosh for $32.00 > (New). > The vendor imports the DVD's from Germany. The DVD cover is in > German, but > the movie is in English. The movie is titled "Tollkuhne Flieger" with > Robert Redford. If anyone is interested go to www.warshows.com > or call at 1-973-328-8488. > > Take care, > David > >


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    Time: 10:25:08 AM PST US
    From: "walt" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Aileron hinge
    Jack, Can't remember the details, but I cut the aileron away before installing the hinge. Just took time to get the top edges even before securing the hinge. I used the nutplates from AS&S inside held with tiny brass screws, that I got from a hobby store. Just lay them out so they don't interfere with any rib, with the spacing. Used flat head screws, so's not to interfere I had no problem with fit after I covered, then put the hinge back on. My full length hinge never seemed to bind at all. Very happy with it thanks to Mike Cuy's recomendation. Don't waste money on the extruded hinge. The basic rolled hinge is fine. That's what they use on the highspeed planes, so it's OK for us walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Textor To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge Awhile back, on another subject, someone stated they installed their aileron hinge before cutting the aileron free. I'm trying to figure out how to do that. Was it a temporary attachment? Also, after temporarily mounting the hinge, have people had problems with a fit after covering? I'm planning on using a full length piano hinge. If it binds, I will cut into sections after it is attached. Thanks, Jack www.textors.com


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    Time: 10:26:40 AM PST US
    From: "Michael Silvius" <silvius@gwi.net>
    Subject: Re: Waldo Update
    David: Was'nt that one the one with the Grumman Mallard and the little black eye Jack Russel terrier. Michael in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: David Jones I've been trying to find the old TV series "The Tales of the Golden Monkey" which Linda is working on. Does anyone remember this series about 25 years ago? Good Luck, David


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    Time: 10:58:21 AM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet
    Robert, Are you going for Jenny style or Cub-style gear? If the latter, I can help. My bearings require a 1.5 inch shaft, the wheels are 6 inch, and the brake hardware is set up for discs. I have no brakes, but if I used these as planned two years ago, I would use mechanical go-cart brakes. (I also have go-cart brake pedals.) OTOH, all this gear looks exactly like the same hardware components as on my project, which also has aircraft hydraulic brakes. Let me know if you are interested. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Robert Gow <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca> >Sent: Aug 13, 2008 7:56 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet > >Try: > >http://www.airdromeairplanes.com/HeavyDutyWheels.html > > >Looks like I'm going to get mine there. > >Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rob >Stapleton, Jr. > Sent: August 13, 2008 3:29 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet > > > It time to put the Piet on wheels. > > OK guys-anybody out there have wheels or brakes for a 1" axle, I can't >find anything but new stuff here in Anchorage and it is really spendy. > > Not to choosy in Alaska. > > Rob > >


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    Time: 11:11:43 AM PST US
    From: "David Jones" <planecrazy2020@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Waldo Update
    Michael, Yes, that's the series. It was set at Key West or somewhere in the Caribbean and they would fly from one island to another with their adventures. I spoke to the people at Amazon about the subject, but never heard anything. Take care, David On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Michael Silvius <silvius@gwi.net> wrote: > David: > > Was'nt that one the one with the Grumman Mallard and the little black eye > Jack Russel terrier. > > Michael in Maine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* David Jones <planecrazy2020@gmail.com> > > I've been trying to find the old TV series "The Tales of the Golden Monkey" > which Linda is working on. Does anyone remember this series about 25 years > ago? > > Good Luck, > David > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 11:16:59 AM PST US
    From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." <foto@alaska.net>
    Subject: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet
    Tim, I am going for the steel cub type gear with bungees. Do you have photos of the wheels and bearings and photos of your set up? There is nothing up here for sale, or to scrounge!I appreciate the reply...regards.RS Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist Anchorage, Alaska 907-230-9425 KL2AN Skype:rob.stapleton.jr IM Windows Live Messenger: foto@alaska.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:57 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet <timothywillis@earthlink.net> Robert, Are you going for Jenny style or Cub-style gear? If the latter, I can help. My bearings require a 1.5 inch shaft, the wheels are 6 inch, and the brake hardware is set up for discs. I have no brakes, but if I used these as planned two years ago, I would use mechanical go-cart brakes. (I also have go-cart brake pedals.) OTOH, all this gear looks exactly like the same hardware components as on my project, which also has aircraft hydraulic brakes. Let me know if you are interested. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Robert Gow <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca> >Sent: Aug 13, 2008 7:56 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet > >Try: > >http://www.airdromeairplanes.com/HeavyDutyWheels.html > > >Looks like I'm going to get mine there. > >Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rob >Stapleton, Jr. > Sent: August 13, 2008 3:29 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet > > > It time to put the Piet on wheels. > > OK guys-anybody out there have wheels or brakes for a 1" axle, I can't >find anything but new stuff here in Anchorage and it is really spendy. > > Not to choosy in Alaska. > > Rob > >


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    Time: 11:18:42 AM PST US
    Subject: Aileron hinge
    From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
    Thanks Walt and Ed! Do not archive Jack www.textor.com


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    Time: 11:51:22 AM PST US
    From: "Lagowski Morrow" <jimdeb@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Aileron hinge
    I did the same thing. Works fine and flies to--Jim Lagowski ----- Original Message ----- From: walt To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge Jack, Can't remember the details, but I cut the aileron away before installing the hinge. Just took time to get the top edges even before securing the hinge. I used the nutplates from AS&S inside held with tiny brass screws, that I got from a hobby store. Just lay them out so they don't interfere with any rib, with the spacing. Used flat head screws, so's not to interfere I had no problem with fit after I covered, then put the hinge back on. My full length hinge never seemed to bind at all. Very happy with it thanks to Mike Cuy's recomendation. Don't waste money on the extruded hinge. The basic rolled hinge is fine. That's what they use on the highspeed planes, so it's OK for us walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Textor To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge Awhile back, on another subject, someone stated they installed their aileron hinge before cutting the aileron free. I'm trying to figure out how to do that. Was it a temporary attachment? Also, after temporarily mounting the hinge, have people had problems with a fit after covering? I'm planning on using a full length piano hinge. If it binds, I will cut into sections after it is attached. Thanks, Jack www.textors.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 8/13/2008 4:14 PM


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    Time: 12:07:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Aileron hinge
    From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
    That's pretty much what I did, although I didn't trust the little brass screws to always hold the nutplates in place, so I epoxied them in place as well as screwed them on. I followed Tony Bingelis' advice and made my piano hinges in multiple pieces and would NOT recommend doing it that way - it was a bear getting them to all line up properly and nay binding caused by wing deflection would be no worse than the binding caused by all those little hinges not being perfectly aligned with each other. I also used the expensive extruded hinges and would NOT recommend that either. Too expensive and no benefit over the rolled hinges. Over all, I really like the piano hinge installation since it also seals the gaps between the ailerons and the wing, but if I had it to do over again I would use rolled hinges and make them one-piece. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge Jack, Can't remember the details, but I cut the aileron away before installing the hinge. Just took time to get the top edges even before securing the hinge. I used the nutplates from AS&S inside held with tiny brass screws, that I got from a hobby store. Just lay them out so they don't interfere with any rib, with the spacing. Used flat head screws, so's not to interfere I had no problem with fit after I covered, then put the hinge back on. My full length hinge never seemed to bind at all. Very happy with it thanks to Mike Cuy's recomendation. Don't waste money on the extruded hinge. The basic rolled hinge is fine. That's what they use on the highspeed planes, so it's OK for us walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Textor <mailto:jtextor@thepalmergroup.com> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge Awhile back, on another subject, someone stated they installed their aileron hinge before cutting the aileron free. I'm trying to figure out how to do that. Was it a temporary attachment? Also, after temporarily mounting the hinge, have people had problems with a fit after covering? I'm planning on using a full length piano hinge. If it binds, I will cut into sections after it is attached. Thanks, Jack www.textors.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any o ther use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Fr ancais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Svenska: w ww.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email


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    Time: 12:12:07 PM PST US
    From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Route 3/4" spar?
    Took mine down to 1/8" (lighter that way). On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote: > So, what you guys are trying to tell me is to route both spars down to 1/4" > and use lots of lightning holes? > > Thanks for the replys. Sounds like solid it is. > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado


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    Time: 12:16:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Aileron hinges
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Jack, I cut both ailerons free, sanded the faces smooth then installed the piano hinge and nut plates ala Walt Evan's and others (seen in upper portion of photo along with coiled up aileron cables) using aluminum extruded piano hinge. I believe you could use formed hinges rather than extruded but Bingelis said the extruded ones are more reliable if aileron flutter is encountered. (then again aileron flutter to a Pietenpol is probably about as chancy as having excess rates of climb) I used full-length hinges as I believe it is more difficult to align sections of them so I steered clear of that method---plus if you use the full-span you essentially have a gap-filler there where you make the hinge top/line even with the top of the wing and the aileron eliminating the necessity of putting clear tape or matching fabric tape over that gap to keep the aileron effectiveness up. Mike C.


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    Time: 12:23:39 PM PST US
    From: HelsperSew@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Aileron hinges
    Mike, What are those two parallel pieces running down the center of your wing that look like wood cap strip material? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 )


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    Time: 12:41:08 PM PST US
    Subject: in lieu of inter-rib lacing tape....wing bay explaination
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Dan, Good eyes. That is capstrip material glued the length of the wing ribs to help stabilize the ribs and keep them in position under the forces they experience when you heat taughten your dacron fabric. The standard practice is/was to wrap and then criss-cross inter-rib-lacing tape (like basements have X's in between floor joists ?) to help hold the ribs in place but I'm told that mice like to eat that stuff and it tends to deteriorate over time. Frank Pavliga advised me to simply glue in strips of leftover capstrip material (actually I think I just ordered more to do this job) for this purpose and it worked out great. One additional comment--I was really surprised by all of the creaking and groaning that the wood did as I tightened the fabric with my iron at the three increasingly higher shrink temperatures. Fabric is powerful. Mike C.


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    Time: 12:42:12 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Aileron hinges
    oh oh....someone doesn't have the video.... ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:23 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinges Mike, What are those two parallel pieces running down the center of your wing that look like wood cap strip material? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos.


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    Time: 12:54:20 PM PST US
    From: HelsperSew@aol.com
    Subject: Do have "the video"
    Jim, I do have Mike C.'s video, but I have been working on this airplane so long (8 + years) that I can't remember back that far sometimes. But really, sometimes I dig out a part I made years ago, and scratch my head wondering why in the world I did it this way or that. Hopefully it won't be much longer, before I lose my mind altogether! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. do not archive **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 )


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    Time: 12:55:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Aileron hinges
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Nice catch Jim. You must have watched to the bitter end as I don't show that until the 2.5 hour point.....when most are fast asleep and rightfully so. There will be a pop quiz before week's end. do not archive


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    Time: 01:56:30 PM PST US
    From: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Route 3/4" spar?
    Just don't use spars at all. It will be really light. Seriously, Ok to route 1", I wouldn't route 3/4" Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Route 3/4" spar? Took mine down to 1/8" (lighter that way). On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote: So, what you guys are trying to tell me is to route both spars down to 1/4" and use lots of lightning holes? Thanks for the replys. Sounds like solid it is. -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado


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    Time: 03:39:31 PM PST US
    From: "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Waldo Update
    Yea, it was about some guys in the South Pacific flying around. I would think they would have it, though, it wasn't THAT unknown at the time. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: David Jones<mailto:planecrazy2020@gmail.com> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Update Michael, Yes, that's the series. It was set at Key West or somewhere in the Caribbean and they would fly from one island to another with their adventures. I spoke to the people at Amazon about the subject, but never heard anything. Take care, David On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Michael Silvius <silvius@gwi.net<mailto:silvius@gwi.net>> wrote: David: Was'nt that one the one with the Grumman Mallard and the little black eye Jack Russel terrier. Michael in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: David Jones<mailto:planecrazy2020@gmail.com> I've been trying to find the old TV series "The Tales of the Golden Monkey" which Linda is working on. Does anyone remember this series about 25 years ago? Good Luck, David http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List<http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on>


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    Time: 04:16:16 PM PST US
    From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: John Deere alternator
    Fellow Pieter's....... - I have a brand new (in-the-box) never opened John Deere Alternator for sale . It is the one recommended by William Wynne for the Corvair installation. It retails for $260.10......anyone interested?.....200.00 and it is yours! - 701-793-3030 or email me Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 06:36:03 PM PST US
    From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
    Subject: Re: tenpol-List:spark plugs
    Maybe some of you guys have run into this but it's my first time and I have to say if the right person had not come along at the right time it would have cost me a bundle.I changed the harness and then I was in the process of changinging the spark plugs when the AME(aircraft maintenance engineer)came up to me and asked what I was doing.I said I'm changing the plugs but I'm convinced that's not the problem and that it was the mags were going bad.He said"what's the gap your using?" I said .25 and he said use .15;that mag can't keep up with the .25 and it will fail.I do as he said because he said they use the same gap in the tow plane and it works fine.Now shes running like a sowing machine.I took her up for a flight and it was glorious. I owe that guy a lot and he never even hung around for a thankyou. Next time I see him I'll have to find out what his poison is!Now you know ;check the spark plug gap when things get rough or don't work at all.


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    Time: 06:50:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: tenpol-List:spark plugs
    From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano@att.net>
    yes a lot of the mags need a small gap-another tip-if you have the mag off-don't spin it unless the plug contacts are grounded or crank the engine with the wires off and the ignition on unless the wires are grounded.another way to cook it.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198661#198661


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    Time: 07:40:11 PM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: old engine for sale
    Hello, Pieters; I got an email from a gent who asked that I post this for anyone who might be interested. I know nothing else about this engine. -------------------------- This is an estate sale of old aircraft and parts that are up for bid. I saw this engine and thought that perhaps someone might find it to be of interest and perhaps even of use: http://www.dtroneaircraftcollection.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38&Itemid=40 12. Globe Aero engine - "1930", 50 h.p., air-cooled, upright, 4-cylinder; uses many Ford model A parts; no accessories. (A conversation piece) Included is the July 1930 "Aero Digest" article showing photos and drawings and giving performance data and full descriptions of the engine and its parts. A copy of the article in the March 1997 "Experimenter", titled "Light Plane Heritage: Liquid or Air Cooling?" with photos and description of the Globe is also included. Appraised value $1,500. There's a couple of pictures of the engine on the site. It's a four-cylinder, air-cooled engine. It appears to have one magneto and a single updraft carburetor. The rockers are exposed. There's a swing-out engine mount attached. No prop hub is visible. I have no connection to the sale and just happened across the listing. Regards to all,David PauleBoulder, CO ---------------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 08:47:09 PM PST US
    From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: old engine for sale
    This engine is part of Denny Trone's collection that is up for sale. Denny was a fixture at Brodhead, who passed on in the crash of a Dormoy Bathtub a couple months ago. I had the opportunity to be given a short tour of his collection a number of years back, and it was pretty amazing. I would recommend going to the site and browsing through the items for sale. There are numerous pictures of each item, be it aircraft or engine, and a short history of each as well. There are many one of a kind antique aircraft and engines in there. Pretty neat. Ryan On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:39 PM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello, Pieters; I got an email from a gent who asked that I post this for > anyone who might be interested. I know nothing else about this engine. > -------------------------- > This is an estate sale of old aircraft and parts that are up for bid. I saw > this engine and thought that perhaps someone might find it to be of interest > and perhaps even of use: > http://www.dtroneaircraftcollection.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38&Itemid=4012. > > Globe Aero engine - "1930", 50 h.p., air-cooled, upright, 4-cylinder; uses > many Ford model A parts; no accessories. (A conversation piece) Included is > the July 1930 "Aero Digest" article showing photos and drawings and giving > performance data and full descriptions of the engine and its parts. A copy > of the article in the March 1997 "Experimenter", titled "Light Plane > Heritage: Liquid or Air Cooling?" with photos and description of the Globe > is also included. Appraised value $1,500. There's a couple of pictures of > the engine on the site. It's a four-cylinder, air-cooled engine. It appears > to have one magneto and a single updraft carburetor. The rockers are > exposed. There's a swing-out engine mount attached. No prop hub is visible. > I have no connection to the sale and just happened across the listing. > Regards to all,David PauleBoulder, CO > ---------------- > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >


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    Time: 08:50:48 PM PST US
    From: "walt" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: tenpol-List:spark plugs
    Yeah, Eismann mag's use .018" walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: H RULE To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:35 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:spark plugs Maybe some of you guys have run into this but it's my first time and I have to say if the right person had not come along at the right time it would have cost me a bundle.I changed the harness and then I was in the process of changinging the spark plugs whenthe AME(aircraft maintenance engineer)came up to me and asked what I was doing.I said I'm changing the plugs but I'm convinced that'snot the problem and that it was the mags were going bad.He said"what's the gap your using?" I said .25 and he said use .15;that mag can't keep up with the .25 and it will fail.I do as he said because he said they use the same gap in the tow plane and it works fine.Now shes running like a sowing machine.I took her up for a flight and it was glorious.I owe that guy a lot and he never even hung around for a thankyou.Next time I see him I'll have to find out what his poison is!Now you know ;check the spark plug gap when things get rough or don't work at all.


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    Time: 08:52:25 PM PST US
    From: "walt" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: tenpol-List:spark plugs
    Sorry "Eisemann" walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: H RULE To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:35 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:spark plugs Maybe some of you guys have run into this but it's my first time and I have to say if the right person had not come along at the right time it would have cost me a bundle.I changed the harness and then I was in the process of changinging the spark plugs whenthe AME(aircraft maintenance engineer)came up to me and asked what I was doing.I said I'm changing the plugs but I'm convinced that'snot the problem and that it was the mags were going bad.He said"what's the gap your using?" I said .25 and he said use .15;that mag can't keep up with the .25 and it will fail.I do as he said because he said they use the same gap in the tow plane and it works fine.Now shes running like a sowing machine.I took her up for a flight and it was glorious.I owe that guy a lot and he never even hung around for a thankyou.Next time I see him I'll have to find out what his poison is!Now you know ;check the spark plug gap when things get rough or don't work at all.


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    Time: 11:47:15 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Waldo Update
    Anything with a Grumman Goose Bug Smasher in it has got to be good! I've kicked myself many times for not taping it. http://www.goldmonkey.com/ http://www.warlockvideos.com/talesofthegoldmonkey.html?gclid=CNqK_diQj5 UCFREUiQodAj4Ugw http://www.scifi2k.com/monkey/monkey.html http://dvd.search.ebay.com/Tales-Of-The-Gold-Monkey_DVDs-Movies_W0QQbsZSe archQQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypageZsearchQQcopagenumZ1QQfposZV3RQ204B8QQ fsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQfstypeZ1QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQsacatZ11232QQsadisZ200QQsargnZQ 2d1QQsaslcZ2QQsatitleZQ22TalesQ20OfQ20TheQ20GoldQ20MonkeyQ22QQsofocusZunk nown I've never used anything like this myself but here it is. http://www.downloadnova.com/member-files/Tales%2Bof%2Bthe%2BGold%2BMonkey %2B-%2BSeason%2B1.html http://members.aol.com/thegneech/goose.htm Have fun! Clif So why did bush operators like the goose? --- Original Message ----- From: David Jones To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Update Michael, Yes, that's the series. It was set at Key West or somewhere in the Caribbean and they would fly from one island to another with their adventures. I spoke to the people at Amazon about the subject, but never heard anything. Take care, David On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Michael Silvius <silvius@gwi.net> wrote: David: Was'nt that one the one with the Grumman Mallard and the little black eye Jack Russel terrier. Michael in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: David Jones I've been trying to find the old TV series "The Tales of the Golden Monkey" which Linda is working on. Does anyone remember this series about 25 years ago? Good Luck, David Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 8/14/2008 6:03 PM




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