---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/18/08: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:08 AM - Weight and balance question (HelsperSew@aol.com) 2. 06:25 AM - Re: From print to jig...how? (Joser) 3. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (Rob Stapleton, Jr.) 4. 06:56 AM - Re: Re: My Piet has wings! (Rob Stapleton, Jr.) 5. 08:52 AM - Re: From print to jig...how? (Joser) 6. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (Rick Holland) 7. 09:51 AM - Re: From print to jig...how? (Joser) 8. 10:16 AM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (Roman Bukolt) 9. 12:42 PM - Re: From print to jig...how? (Joser) 10. 01:17 PM - Re: Weight and balance question (walt) 11. 01:17 PM - Re: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet (H RULE) 12. 01:19 PM - Re: prop strikes (H RULE) 13. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (Roman Bukolt) 14. 03:38 PM - Re: prop strikes (Gary Boothe) 15. 04:10 PM - Re: From print to jig...how? (Joser) 16. 04:35 PM - Re: Re: My Piet has wings! (Ben Charvet) 17. 04:53 PM - Re: Weight and balance question (airlion@bellsouth.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:06 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weight and balance question Good people, I have not covered my plane yet, but it is almost fully assembled. I am trying to estimate the CG of the fabric and paint. I know the approximate weight of all this, but I need some guesses from you guys as far as what the "arm" is, when doing my W&B calculations. Please help. Thanks. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? From: "Joser" I am in the process of building my Corvair 110 and soon to start on the Piet, where can I learn more about the Riblett airfoil and where can I obtain the drawing? Thank you all for all of your help, Joser. -------- Jose R. Soto Apopka, Florida Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199236#199236 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:02 AM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? Jose, How is the Corvair engine project going? What exactly did you do to the engine? Did you follow William Wyne's manuals? I am curious here in Alaska aobut what I need to do the additional engine project---I am also building a Piet with Corvair. As for the Riblett airfoil I can't help...I am using the traditional Pietenpol airfoil. Regards, Rob Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist Anchorage, Alaska 907-230-9425 KL2AN Skype:rob.stapleton.jr IM Windows Live Messenger: foto@alaska.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joser Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? I am in the process of building my Corvair 110 and soon to start on the Piet, where can I learn more about the Riblett airfoil and where can I obtain the drawing? Thank you all for all of your help, Joser. -------- Jose R. Soto Apopka, Florida Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199236#199236 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:02 AM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet has wings! Yes, nice--but pretty hefty looking struts..actually a good idea for setting the wing in place. RS Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist Anchorage, Alaska 907-230-9425 KL2AN Skype:rob.stapleton.jr IM Windows Live Messenger: foto@alaska.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joser Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet has wings! Great Work Ben!!! -------- Jose R. Soto Apopka, Florida Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199218#199218 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:14 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? From: "Joser" Hi Rob, after speaking at length with scores of builders, I will build my corvair strictly to WW's manual and recommendations. I have read many articles involving the Corvair conversion and without a doubt no one is better qualified than WW. I have disassembled the engine and will clean, powdercoat, paint and assemble with a nitrided crank, the recommended cam and all of the gold products that WW offers. Will post pictures as I complete the work, hope to see your project soon, right now I am preparing for a major storm, later, Joser. -------- Jose R. Soto Apopka, Florida Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199295#199295 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:55 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? Thats what I am doing Jose. Needed more than 65 HP due to my high altitude. Rebuilding a run out O-200 would have run around $9500. Will end up costing me around $5500 with all of William's part but the exhaust manifold. Rick On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Joser wrote: > > Hi Rob, after speaking at length with scores of builders, I will build my > corvair strictly to WW's manual and recommendations. I have read many > articles involving the Corvair conversion and without a doubt no one is > better qualified than WW. I have disassembled the engine and will clean, > powdercoat, paint and assemble with a nitrided crank, the recommended cam > and all of the gold products that WW offers. Will post pictures as I > complete the work, hope to see your project soon, right now I am preparing > for a major storm, later, Joser. > > -------- > Jose R. Soto > Apopka, Florida > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199295#199295 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? From: "Joser" Rick, I need the 100hp because I am 6'2" 260# Hahahaha. I have used this opportunity to remove the weight from the body, I was over three hundred at the beginning of the year! So I am on the Pietenpol lifestyle plan! -------- Jose R. Soto Apopka, Florida Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199310#199310 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:42 AM PST US From: Roman Bukolt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? Check the archives for info on the Riblett airfoil, in particular emails from Pieti Lowell. The prints are available from me for $10.00. Roman Bukolt 6505 Urich Terrace Madison, Wi. 53719 On Aug 18, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Joser wrote: > > I am in the process of building my Corvair 110 and soon to start on > the Piet, where can I learn more about the Riblett airfoil and where > can I obtain the drawing? Thank you all for all of your help, Joser. > > -------- > Jose R. Soto > Apopka, Florida > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199236#199236 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? From: "Joser" Hi Roman, I need two copies, how do I pay you? jsoto5@cfl.rr.com Thanks, Joser. -------- Jose R. Soto Apopka, Florida Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199344#199344 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:00 PM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Weight and balance question Dan, In my layman's terms,,,The arm is the length, from the pivot point, a certain weight that is figured in. And what effect the weight has at that distance. So a 5 lb weight at the C/G has no "moment" effect, while that 5 lbs at the tail (which is a long "arm" has lots of effect.) see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque also I have a nifty program that I figured in my wt/bal for my Piet. Whould you like it? It's in Excel format Very simple to use, click a box, and change the value. The final C/G automatically changes walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weight and balance question Good people, I have not covered my plane yet, but it is almost fully assembled. I am trying to estimate the CG of the fabric and paint. I know the approximate weight of all this, but I need some guesses from you guys as far as what the "arm" is, when doing my W&B calculations. Please help. Thanks. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:01 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet I take for granted everybody is in my situation and can download anything,s orry bout that.I'm glad you were able to get the software anyway.=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Tim Willis =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, Aug ust 17, 2008 2:38:17 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wheels a =0A=0AHarvey,- Yes, good idea, and one I ha d already followed.- The software is free, but 55 mbytes, too much since I am on dial-up here at the end of the earth.- No chance that I can downl oad that big a file intact.- It cost me $10 to get Olympus to send me a d isc, no charge for two-day delivery.- And then, too, I have the uncorrupt ed disc.- =0A=0ABilly M., thanks for the card reader idea.- I will look into that as well, but the near-term solution is on the way.=0A=0ATim=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0A>From: H RULE =0A>Sent: Aug 16, 2008 3:34 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics .com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wheels and brakes for my P iet=0A>=0A>You can get software from the internet ,just google it and trace it out.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>----- Original Message ----=0A>From: Tim Willis =0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Sent: Sat urday, August 16, 2008 2:35:25 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Looking f or wheels and brakes for my Piet=0A>=0A>--> Pietenpol-List message posted b y: Tim Willis =0A>=0A>Rob,=0A>=0A>I've got pix of the set in my camera, but now I discover that the Olympus software will not load in my new PC (with Vista).- I am ordering Olympus Master 2, and should get it next week.- =0A>=0A>Tim=0A>=0A>-----Original Message----- =0A>>From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." =0A>>Sent: Aug 14, 2008 2: 15 PM=0A>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet=0A>>=0A>>--> Pietenpol-List mess age posted by: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." =0A>>=0A>>Tim,=0A>>I a m going for the steel cub type gear with bungees. Do you have photos of=0A> >the wheels and bearings and photos of your set up? There is nothing up her e=0A>>for sale, or to scrounge!I appreciate the reply...regards.RS=0A>>=0A> >Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist=0A>>Anchorage, Alaska=0A>>907-230-9425=0A>> KL2AN=0A>>Skype:rob.stapleton.jr=0A>>IM Windows Live Messenger: foto@alaska .net=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>-----Original Message-----=0A>>From: owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com=0A>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.co m] On Behalf Of Tim Willis=0A>>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:57 AM=0A>> or wheels and brakes for my Piet=0A>>=0A>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tim Willis=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Robert,=0A>>=0A> >Are you going for Jenny style or Cub-style gear?- If the latter, I can h elp.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>My bearings require a 1.5 inch shaft, the wheels are 6 i nch, and the brake=0A>>hardware is set up for discs.- I have no brakes, b ut if I used these as=0A>>planned two years ago, I would use mechanical go- cart brakes.- (I also have=0A>>go-cart brake pedals.)- OTOH, all this g ear looks exactly like the same=0A>>hardware components as on my project, w hich also has aircraft hydraulic=0A>>brakes.- =0A>>=0A>>Let me know if yo u are interested.=0A>>=0A>>Tim in central TX=0A>>do not archive=0A>>=0A>>-- ---Original Message-----=0A>>>From: Robert Gow =0A> >>Sent: Aug 13, 2008 7:56 AM=0A>>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>>>Sub ject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Looking for wheels and brakes for my Piet=0A>>> =0A>>>Try:=0A>>>=0A>>>http://www.airdromeairplanes.com/HeavyDutyWheels.html =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Looks like I'm going to get mine there.=0A>>>=0A>>>Bob=0A >>>- -----Original Message-----=0A>>>- From: owner-pietenpol-list-serve r@matronics.com=0A>>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On B ehalf Of Rob=0A>>>Stapleton, Jr.=0A>>>- Sent: August 13, 2008 3:29 AM=0A> >>- To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>>>- Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lo oking for wheels and brakes for my Piet=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>- It time to put the Piet on wheels.=0A>>>=0A>>>- OK guys-anybody out there have wheels o r brakes for a 1" axle, I can't=0A>>>find anything but new stuff here in An chorage- and it is really spendy.=0A>>>=0A>>>- Not to choosy in Alaska. ===================== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:09 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop strikes Come on up to my place mid February and I'll show you!Ottawa Canada.I'll ev en supply the booze!Your gonna need it!=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A----- O riginal Message ----=0AFrom: Gary Boothe =0ATo: piete npol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 12:43:52 PM=0ASubje ct: RE: Pietenpol-List: prop strikes=0A=0A=0AMike,=0A-=0AWhat is =93winte r?=94=0A-=0AGary Boothe=0ACool, Ca.=0APietenpol=0AWW Corvair Conversion =0ATail done, working on fuselage=0A(11 ribs down=85)=0A-=0ADo not archiv e=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-serv er@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Beha lf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]=0ASent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:46 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: prop stri kes =0A-=0A=85might be a good reason to take a winter=0Ato major-an eng ine=85=0A-=0AMike C. =0A-=0A-=0A -=0A -=0Ahttp://www.matronics.co =============== ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:24 PM PST US From: Roman Bukolt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? Just send a check $20 On Aug 18, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Joser wrote: > > Hi Roman, I need two copies, how do I pay you? jsoto5@cfl.rr.com > Thanks, Joser. > > -------- > Jose R. Soto > Apopka, Florida > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199344#199344 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:35 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: prop strikes How's the surfin'? Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H RULE Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop strikes Come on up to my place mid February and I'll show you!Ottawa Canada.I'll even supply the booze!Your gonna need it! do not archive ----- Original Message ---- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 12:43:52 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: prop strikes Mike, What is "winter?" Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (11 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop strikes . might be a good reason to take a winter to major an engine. Mike C. http://www.matronics.com/contribution Pietenpol-List" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navw.matronics.com/contribution" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.mat==================== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? From: "Joser" 10-4 -------- Jose R. Soto Apopka, Florida Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199396#199396 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:14 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet has wings! The struts in the picture were made from 2X4 stock ripped down the middle. I cut an angle on one end where they fit against the fuselage, and bolted the other end to the wing after getting a good estimate how long they needed to be. As I raised the outboard end of the wing I had my wife place the temp struts on top of the strut fittings. Then I could place shims between the strut and the fuselage side to get the wash in/out close to flat. After all that was done I made marks on the lower end where the hole needs to be, so I can use these temporary struts as a template for the actual struts. One other cool thing that happened. A friend gave me a set of struts from a Piper Tripacer. The shortest ones are exactly the right length for the forward struts. The other piper struts are longer and have an angled end where they fit the wing of the Tri-Pacer, so that end will need to be trimmed down. They came complete with adjustable forks. They are a little wider than they need to be. I'm wondering, the Tri-Pacer doesnt use strut braces with these same struts, do you think I'll need them for the Piet? Rob Stapleton, Jr. wrote: > > Yes, nice--but pretty hefty looking struts..actually a good idea for setting > the wing in place. > RS > > Rob Stapleton, Photojournalist > Anchorage, Alaska > 907-230-9425 > KL2AN > Skype:rob.stapleton.jr > IM Windows Live Messenger: foto@alaska.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joser > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:03 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet has wings! > > > Great Work Ben!!! > > -------- > Jose R. Soto > Apopka, Florida > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199218#199218 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:28 PM PST US From: airlion@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Weight and balance question ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.