---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/21/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:22 AM - Re: No clamps on ribs? (carson) 2. 04:40 AM - Re: Re: takeoff performance, Walt Evans (Phillips, Jack) 3. 05:38 AM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (Michael Perez) 4. 09:01 AM - Re: No clamps on ribs? (chase143) 5. 09:21 AM - Re: Motorcycle links (Dick Carden) 6. 11:33 AM - Re: Re: Motorcycle links (Jack T. Textor) 7. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: No clamps on ribs? (Bill Church) 8. 02:11 PM - Re: Re: Motorcycle links (shad bell) 9. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: Motorcycle links (Richard Schreiber) 10. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: No clamps on ribs? (Glenn Thomas) 11. 04:12 PM - My method for softening cap strip (Michael Perez) 12. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Motorcycle links (CozyGirrrl@aol.com) 13. 05:49 PM - Re: Re: Motorcycle links (Richard Schreiber) 14. 06:08 PM - Re: Re: Motorcycle links (HelsperSew@aol.com) 15. 06:47 PM - Beautiful antique altimeter on Ebay (HelsperSew@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: No clamps on ribs? From: "carson" Hi Here is the method I used,I stole ideas off some others on this list and it worked a bloody treat.One side goes on in the jig and then the other using the same clamps as Jack used no nails needed. Hope it helps. Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199785#199785 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/peitenpol_014_179.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/peitenpol_018_120.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:25 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: takeoff performance, Walt Evans From: "Phillips, Jack" I wish they made them that way in North Carolina. Here our strips are carved out of pine forests. You usually can't see the runway until you are almost on top of it. I enjoyed giving rides at Brodhead with its wide open approaches. In NC I won't even think of giving a ride on anything less than a 4,000 foot runway. It's interesting, flying in different parts of the country and seeing what conditions you have to put up with. I learned to fly in west Tennessee, which is sort of like the midwest with hills. Fields are numerous, and airports tend to have good open approaches. Then I moved to Texas and learned to fly in wind. I had a J-3 Cub and used to fly it out of Luck Field (Duane Cole's home field), south of Fort Worth, which had a 2,000' paved runway that was only 12' wide. When you flared that Cub, if you could see ANY runway at all, you were off the centerline. When I moved to North Carolina, I found that the entire state is one big pine forest, and airports are hidden amongst the trees. Every time I fly to Brodhead, it is like a sigh of relief when I cross the Ohio River and enter into the midwest, where flying is easy and good forced landing spots are numerous. Only problem there is winter is long and not conducive to open cockpit flying. Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: takeoff performance, Walt Evans Greg, Wow what a beautiful strip. I wish they made them like that in Northeast Ohio. With some of my landings I could sure use nice wide flat runways like that!!!! Don Emch Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199755#199755 _________________________________________________ or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:58 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? Thanks, but I now have the jig made and my first prototype rib done. --- On Wed, 8/20/08, CozyGirrrl@aol.com wrote: From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? Go raid your wife's dressmaking supplies, you are looking for a "tick wheel " its a little handle with a thin wheel on it with notches, it is used for transferring a dress pattern to material, we use colored wax transfer paper s between the patterns and the cloth and trace with the tick wheel, it leav es colored dotted lines on the cloth. Use carbon paper instead. Any fabric store should sell tick wheels for less the $2. Regards, Chrissi (fabricating our Cozy engine cowls now) - CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ==== It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: No clamps on ribs? From: "chase143" I'm with Glenn, had a blast "engineering" and building a clamping jig. The ribs are built and epoxied very easily and have been impressively consistent. It's just one more sample...... Steve Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199809#199809 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_jig_142.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:08 AM PST US From: Dick Carden Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links I'm a bit confused about what motorcycle links to use, and how to use them. Does anyone have photos of how motorcycle links are used? If so, I'd appreciate directions to a site. Thanks, Dick Carden ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:33:16 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links From: "Jack T. Textor" Dick, I too would like to learn more. Attached is a picture from Brodhead. I'm not sure but I think some are using size T-50 chain. Jack www.textors.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links I'm a bit confused about what motorcycle links to use, and how to use them. Does anyone have photos of how motorcycle links are used? If so, I'd appreciate directions to a site. Thanks, Dick Carden ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:14 PM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: No clamps on ribs? It's all really a matter of preference whether you clamp, nail, or staple your gussets. The important thing is that youkeep the gusset in contact with the capstrips and prevent the gusset from moving while the glue sets. If you use clamps you can avoid the extra weight and handling of the tiny little nails, or avoid the tedious job of pulling the staples (replaced by the potentially tedious job of building a clamping system). In my case, I went with a clamping system, as can be seen here: http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildLogID=1038&Pl aneID=510&FName=Bill&LName=Church&PlaneName=Air%20Camper It worked well for me, and I didn't mind designing or building it. When gluing the gussets on the back side of my ribs, I just pulled the rib out of the jig, flipped it over and placed the gussets in place with glue. No clamps or nails or staples. The rib does have to lay flat for this step, until the glue sets. But then, I kept my rib jig laying flat when gluing the first side as well, since the epoxy does have a tendency to flow when you're not looking. Bill C. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:03 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links That photo is 92gb at the rudder bar. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:03 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links Jack and Dick: Attached are a few photos of how I used drive chain links to replace clevises. The chain size is a number 50. Get a length of #50 roller link chain, 2 feet should be enough. Grind the pins off and then drive the pins out with a punch. The inner link, with the rollers, are scrap, you just use the outer links. Wherever you normally would use a clevis, replace with the chain links. As you can see form the photos, you use a clevis pin and cotter pin to hold the assembly together, with a washer under the cotter pin. You may need to use additional washers to space things out. The clevis pins for a #50 chain are AN393 at whatever length you need. I think most of mine where 13's and 17's. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN > [Original Message] > From: Dick Carden > To: > Date: 8/21/2008 11:25:27 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links > > > I'm a bit confused about what motorcycle links to use, and how to use them. Does anyone have photos of how motorcycle links are used? If so, I'd appreciate directions to a site. Thanks, Dick Carden > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:48 PM PST US From: "Glenn Thomas" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: No clamps on ribs? ...and, yes, my jig is a hybrid of 70% Bill's idea, 30% original. ...or was is 72/28? I lost track. The exchange of ideas promoted by this forum is very enabling. No matter how you make a rib jig, it will do a good job if YOU do a good job. It's all about applying the right amount of care. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:48 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: My method for softening cap strip Attached is a pic of how I softened my cap strip. -It is a simple piece o f 4" drain PVC, bottomed capped, filled with water. I soaked mine for about 30 min. nd put directly on my bending jig. I can do 4 at a time on my jig. I cover the top of the tube when no cap strips are soaking to keep out saw dust. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:50 PM PST US From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links Would it not be possible to order a box of the master link covers? ...Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 8/21/2008 5:24:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, lmforge@earthlink.net writes: Jack and Dick: Attached are a few photos of how I used drive chain links to replace clevises. The chain size is a number 50. Get a length of #50 roller link chain, 2 feet should be enough. Grind the pins off and then drive the pins out with a punch. The inner link, with the rollers, are scrap, you just use the outer links. Wherever you normally would use a clevis, replace with the chain links. As you can see form the photos, you use a clevis pin and cotter pin to hold the assembly together, with a washer under the cotter pin. You may need to use additional washers to space things out. The clevis pins for a #50 chain are AN393 at whatever length you need. I think most of mine where 13's and 17's. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN > [Original Message] > From: Dick Carden > To: > Date: 8/21/2008 11:25:27 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links > > > I'm a bit confused about what motorcycle links to use, and how to use them. Does anyone have photos of how motorcycle links are used? If so, I'd appreciate directions to a site. Thanks, Dick Carden > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:16 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links Chrissi, You could use master links, but they are just a lot more expensive. If you do a little scrounging, you can usually find some short links of chain that you can get for free. Thats what I did. I asked the maintenance dept. at work and they gave me a few short left over ends for free. When grinding off the pins, just make sure you don't go too far. Just grind one end a little and then drive it out. You don't want to nick the link and weaken it. Rick Schreiber ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: 8/21/2008 6:33:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links Would it not be possible to order a box of the master link covers? ...Chrissi CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware www.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details ============================== If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us. Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 8/21/2008 5:24:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, lmforge@earthlink.net writes: Jack and Dick: Attached are a few photos of how I used drive chain links to replace clevises. The chain size is a number 50. Get a length of #50 roller link chain, 2 feet should be enough. Grind the pins off and then drive the pins out with a punch. The inner link, with the rollers, are scrap, you just use the outer links. Wherever you normally would use a clevis, replace with the chain links. As you can see form the photos, you use a clevis pin and cotter pin to hold the assembly together, with a washer under the cotter pin. You may need to use additional washers to space things out. The clevis pins for a #50 chain are AN393 at whatever length you need. I think most of mine where 13's and 17's. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN > [Original Message] > From: Dick Carden > To: > Date: 8/21/2008 11:25:27 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links > > > I'm a bit confused about what motorcycle links to use, and how to use them. Does anyone have photos of how motorcycle links are used? If so, I'd appreciate directions to a site. Thanks, Dick Carden > > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:34 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links Hello good people!! You can fabricate these links on your own fairly easily from 4130. That's what I did. Just takes a few minutes. Down side is you have to paint them. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:23 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Beautiful antique altimeter on Ebay Here is a beautiful antique Altimeter available on Ebay (3 days left) . Check it out. Ebay item number 170253019708. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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