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1. 12:42 AM - Re: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol (walt)
2. 12:42 AM - Re: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol (walt)
3. 02:51 AM - Re: Commercial Ticket (Jack Phillips)
4. 03:42 AM - Re: True Blue Pietenpol (HelsperSew@aol.com)
5. 04:08 AM - Contact with builder (HelsperSew@aol.com)
6. 04:54 AM - Re: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol (Jonathan Ragle)
7. 05:03 AM - Re: Contact with builder (Bill Church)
8. 05:12 AM - Re: True Blue Pietenpol (Jonathan Ragle)
9. 07:02 AM - Elevator travel (skellytown flyer)
10. 09:53 AM - Re: True Blue Pietenpol (Pieti Lowell)
11. 12:50 PM - Re: Elevator travel (dwilson)
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| Subject: | Re: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol |
Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine PietenpolIf it was that one, the
end of the Piet had nothing to do with the building material.
Build on.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: amsafetyc@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine
Pietenpol
Not a very settling thought for someone building with poplar
Like me
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: "walt" <waltdak@verizon.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:10:54 -0400
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine
Pietenpol
Michael ,
Sounds like "Poplar Piet"
Fellow who had a picture of himself next to a poplar tree then next to
the plane he made out of it.
But alas, think he crashed it.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Silvius
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine
Pietenpol
Mike:
I know a farmer a real old timer who goes by the name of Lucky and
back about 1985 he built himself a Piet. He cut down a poplar tree on
the back 40, milled it and started building. About six months from tree
to finished flying plane. Not much for cosmetics on his rendition. I
hear tell it is still out there flying.
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine
Pietenpol
A number of years ago when I first started going to Brodhead I
noticed a nice Continental powered Piet
built by so-and-so. It was a bit streamlined and had wheel pants
and attended on a regular basis.
One year after I left the fly-in I got a phone call from a friend
who said that ole so-and-so stall-spun his Piet
into the trees nearby the airport at Brodhead. The tall pines
cushioned the impact and the owner/pilot
survived with no hospital visit required. The recovery crew said
that the entire airplane was built with
white Elmer's glue and regular white grade pine that you'd get at
Lowe's or Home Depot. He'd been flying
like that for years, given many rides, and gone cross country
quite often. That was his choice and he
flew many enjoyable hours but.....again it is the builder's choice
and if you know how to pick out wood
you can have a pretty safe airplane...otherwise use the accepted
standards of wood, steel, welding practices,
and other fabrication methods that are known, tried, and true.
I didn't want to research every single decision
ad-nauseum so I stuck to what was pretty much FAA accepted
practices and materials. I didn't want to hurt
my brain by re-inventing the wheel. Cosmetically though I took
artistic license with things like raising the
turtledeck and cockpit bulkheads by 1" for a more rounded
look.....made my landing gear wider for more
stability, made my deck angle that of what I was used to..an
Aeronca Champ....put my luggage where Pietenpol
put gasoline and installed a nose tank instead...and chromed up a
few items just to annoy the purists.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol |
Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine PietenpolThe good thing about
T-88, is that it works just as well on wet wood.
Check the spec
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine
Pietenpol
Since the last rain. They're growing in his back yard. :-)
I'm using the equivalent to T-88 but when you think
about it how much moisture is going to get past the
varnish encasing everything? Eventually yes but it
could be many years. Possibly never for a hangered AC.
Good for you Jack. That's a lot of work crammed into
a half a year.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine
Pietenpol
Mike has morals? Since when?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Finally an honest to goodness certified Commercial Pilot today.
Passed the checkride this afternoon, only 38 - =BD years after I got my
Private license.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:36 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine
Pietenpol
Thanks Mike,
You always put things into chrystal clear perspective.
Nice to have someone around to use as a "standard".
I know that many things on my Piet reflect your building practices,
and Morals.
thanks
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine
Pietenpol
A number of years ago when I first started going to Brodhead I
noticed a nice Continental powered Piet
built by so-and-so. It was a bit streamlined and had wheel pants
and attended on a regular basis.
One year after I left the fly-in I got a phone call from a friend
who said that ole so-and-so stall-spun his Piet
into the trees nearby the airport at Brodhead. The tall pines
cushioned the impact and the owner/pilot
survived with no hospital visit required. The recovery crew said
that the entire airplane was built with
white Elmer's glue and regular white grade pine that you'd get at
Lowe's or Home Depot. He'd been flying
like that for years, given many rides, and gone cross country
quite often. That was his choice and he
flew many enjoyable hours but.....again it is the builder's choice
and if you know how to pick out wood
you can have a pretty safe airplane...otherwise use the accepted
standards of wood, steel, welding practices,
and other fabrication methods that are known, tried, and true.
I didn't want to research every single decision
ad-nauseum so I stuck to what was pretty much FAA accepted
practices and materials. I didn't want to hurt
my brain by re-inventing the wheel. Cosmetically though I took
artistic license with things like raising the
turtledeck and cockpit bulkheads by 1" for a more rounded
look.....made my landing gear wider for more
stability, made my deck angle that of what I was used to..an
Aeronca Champ....put my luggage where Pietenpol
put gasoline and installed a nose tank instead...and chromed up a
few items just to annoy the purists.
Mike C.
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8/25/2008 8:48 PM
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| Subject: | Commercial Ticket |
I got the instrument rating a few years ago (not that I've used it much
since I don't have a plane with any instruments). You can get a limited
commercial without an instrument rating (useful for aerial photography or
crop dusting) but you have to have the instrument ticket to get a CFI.
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:31 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Commercial Ticket
Is the instrument still optional for the commercial? Did you get the
instrument, too?
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Aug 25, 2008 7:33 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Commercial Ticket
>
>Main reason I wanted the commercial is to get my CFI ticket, and do
>tailwheel endorsements.
>
>
>
>Jack
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>HelsperSew@aol.com
>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:36 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Commercial Ticket
>
>
>
>Jack,
>
>
>
>Congratulations on your commercial ticket!!! Now tell us what you are
>planning to do with it. I got mine when I was 18 years old, and it took me
>till age 51 to actually exercise my privileges. I have a photo of myself
>holding the first check for $56.00 that I earned legally, taking a guy out
>to do aerial photography. That is the first (and only) money I ever "made"
>flying.
>
>
>
>Dan Helsper
>Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
> _____
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: True Blue Pietenpol |
Jonathon,
As everyone knows, the only way any airplane can genuinely attain the
prestigious title "Pietenpol Air Camper" is to fastidiously follow the 1932 Flying
and Glider Manual. No variations or modifications are allowed. All others are
fakes, alterations and copies. I myself, have chosen to unswervingly follow
these plans. Except for a few minor areas (for safety sake) and a few other
minor areas (just a small tweek of design to put my own flair on it) and a few
other minor areas (just to modernize it a bit).
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel
deal here.
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
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| Subject: | Contact with builder |
Hi Guys,
Does anybody know the email address of Mark Berger, builder of "The Spirit
of Cupertino" Piet?
Thanks,
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel
deal here.
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| Subject: | Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol |
I doubt it was the wood that did it. Could be wrong? How often does wood
fail?
glue and Home Depot pine PietenpolFrom: amsafetyc@aol.comDate: Tue=2C 26 Au
g 2008 02:37:44 +0000
Not a very settling thought for someone building with poplarLike meJohn
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: "walt" <waltdak@verizon.net>Date: Mon=2C 25 Aug 2008 18:10:54 -0400To
: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white
glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol
Michael =2C
Sounds like "Poplar Piet"
Fellow who had a picture of himself next to a poplar tree then next to the
plane he made out of it.
But alas=2C think he crashed it.
walt evansNX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Silvius
Sent: Monday=2C August 25=2C 2008 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenp
ol
Mike:
I know a farmer a real old timer who goes by the name of Lucky and back abo
ut 1985 he built himself a Piet. He cut down a poplar tree on the back 40
=2C milled it and started building. About six months from tree to finished
flying plane. Not much for cosmetics on his rendition. I hear tell it is st
ill out there flying.
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy=2C Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
Sent: Monday=2C August 25=2C 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol
A number of years ago when I first started going to Brodhead I noticed a ni
ce Continental powered Piet built by so-and-so. It was a bit streamlined
and had wheel pants and attended on a regular basis.
One year after I left the fly-in I got a phone call from a friend who said
that ole so-and-so stall-spun his Piet into the trees nearby the airport at
Brodhead. The tall pines cushioned the impact and the owner/pilot survive
d with no hospital visit required. The recovery crew said that the entire
airplane was built with white Elmer's glue and regular white grade pine th
at you'd get at Lowe's or Home Depot. He'd been flying like that for year
s=2C given many rides=2C and gone cross country quite often. That was hi
s choice and he flew many enjoyable hours but.....again it is the builder's
choice and if you know how to pick out wood you can have a pretty safe air
plane...otherwise use the accepted standards of wood=2C steel=2C welding pr
actices=2C and other fabrication methods that are known=2C tried=2C and tru
e. I didn't want to research every single decision ad-nauseum so I stuck
to what was pretty much FAA accepted practices and materials. I didn't w
ant to hurt my brain by re-inventing the wheel. Cosmetically though I too
k artistic license with things like raising the turtledeck and cockpit bulk
heads by 1" for a more rounded look.....made my landing gear wider for more
stability=2C made my deck angle that of what I was used to..an Aeronca Cha
mp....put my luggage where Pietenpol put gasoline and installed a nose tank
instead...and chromed up a few items just to annoy the purists.
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| Subject: | Contact with builder |
Dan,
There's contact info at this website:
http://myweb.cableone.net/anna22/pietenpol/index.html
(assuming it's current)
Bill C.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
HelsperSew@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Contact with builder
Hi Guys,
Does anybody know the email address of Mark Berger, builder of "The Spirit
of Cupertino" Piet?
Thanks,
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | True Blue Pietenpol |
Dan=2C
Gutsy. The one that I'm trying to buy right now has a C65 so it is updated
a bit. The Continental definately takes away from the Model A's drop dead
georgously ugly nose shape. The slant nosed A planes look a lot older and
more genuine. But the wing is an even bigger deal I think=2C even if not
as noticable to some people. Undesirable traits make up a personality as m
uch as desirable traits. That said=2C if I build one I might put a Cub win
g on it and call it something else. I would love to give spruce a try afte
r working with aluminum. Might be cool to see what it is like to come in f
rom the shop with blood remaining inside of me where it belongs rather than
on the outside doing me little to no good.
Now I just have to figure out wether you were taking a jab at me. =3B)
Jonathan
From: HelsperSew@aol.comDate: Tue=2C 26 Aug 2008 06:42:10 -0400Subject: Re:
Pietenpol-List: True Blue PietenpolTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Jonathon=2C
As everyone knows=2C the only way any airplane can genuinely attain the pre
stigious title "Pietenpol Air Camper" is to fastidiously follow the 1932 Fl
ying and Glider Manual. No variations or modifications are allowed. All oth
ers are fakes=2C alterations and copies. I myself=2C have chosen to unswerv
ingly follow these plans. Except for a few minor areas (for safety sake) an
d a few other minor areas (just a small tweek of design to put my own flair
on it) and a few other minor areas (just to modernize it a bit).
Dan HelsperPoplar Grove=2C IL.
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Well I have made a belcrank for my GN-1 according to plans dimension-but seems
to be a little short in travel.I will need to get the length of the cables set
better but right now I have what appears to be about 30 degrees of up and only
about 10 down if that.I am wondering how much difference is needed to safely
fly if the plane is in the G range.I expect more up than down but not sure how
much.Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: True Blue Pietenpol |
[To my knowledge there never has been a perfect Bernie Piet. ever built, I've seen
many, Some are close, but not a perfect Pietenpol, Bernie always changed something,
how many builders use cardboard for the leading edge ? Allen Rudolf's
Piet was the closest I've seen, and flown. I have a bushel basket full of Piet
hats, Sure must be fooling someone, As you all have noticed no two of my Piets
were ever a true Piet, But I got credit for the changes, most of the time,
at least to my face. I wonder what was said when I wasn't looking ? Most new
Ideas keep the Piet basics
going, keep up the good work guys.
Pieti Lowell
As everyone knows, the only way any airplane can genuinely attain the prestigious
title "Pietenpol Air Camper" is to fastidiously follow the 1932 Flying and
Glider Manual. No variations or modifications are allowed. All others are
fakes, alterations and copies. I myself, have chosen to unswervingly follow these
plans. Except for a few minor areas (for safety sake) and a few other minor
areas (just a small tweek of design to put my own flair on it) and a few
other minor areas (just to modernize it a bit).
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047).
> [b]
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator travel |
I believe that the elevator travel should be 20 degrees up and 20 degrees down.
I intend to incorporate stops into my controls to limit the up and down elevator
deflection. As I recall from a presentation at Broadhead elevator deflection
shall NEVER exceed 30 degrees in either direction.
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