---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/26/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:42 AM - Re: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol (walt) 2. 12:42 AM - Re: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol (walt) 3. 02:51 AM - Re: Commercial Ticket (Jack Phillips) 4. 03:42 AM - Re: True Blue Pietenpol (HelsperSew@aol.com) 5. 04:08 AM - Contact with builder (HelsperSew@aol.com) 6. 04:54 AM - Re: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol (Jonathan Ragle) 7. 05:03 AM - Re: Contact with builder (Bill Church) 8. 05:12 AM - Re: True Blue Pietenpol (Jonathan Ragle) 9. 07:02 AM - Elevator travel (skellytown flyer) 10. 09:53 AM - Re: True Blue Pietenpol (Pieti Lowell) 11. 12:50 PM - Re: Elevator travel (dwilson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:04 AM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine PietenpolIf it was that one, the end of the Piet had nothing to do with the building material. Build on. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: amsafetyc@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol Not a very settling thought for someone building with poplar Like me John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: "walt" Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:10:54 -0400 To: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol Michael , Sounds like "Poplar Piet" Fellow who had a picture of himself next to a poplar tree then next to the plane he made out of it. But alas, think he crashed it. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Silvius To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:12 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol Mike: I know a farmer a real old timer who goes by the name of Lucky and back about 1985 he built himself a Piet. He cut down a poplar tree on the back 40, milled it and started building. About six months from tree to finished flying plane. Not much for cosmetics on his rendition. I hear tell it is still out there flying. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol A number of years ago when I first started going to Brodhead I noticed a nice Continental powered Piet built by so-and-so. It was a bit streamlined and had wheel pants and attended on a regular basis. One year after I left the fly-in I got a phone call from a friend who said that ole so-and-so stall-spun his Piet into the trees nearby the airport at Brodhead. The tall pines cushioned the impact and the owner/pilot survived with no hospital visit required. The recovery crew said that the entire airplane was built with white Elmer's glue and regular white grade pine that you'd get at Lowe's or Home Depot. He'd been flying like that for years, given many rides, and gone cross country quite often. That was his choice and he flew many enjoyable hours but.....again it is the builder's choice and if you know how to pick out wood you can have a pretty safe airplane...otherwise use the accepted standards of wood, steel, welding practices, and other fabrication methods that are known, tried, and true. I didn't want to research every single decision ad-nauseum so I stuck to what was pretty much FAA accepted practices and materials. I didn't want to hurt my brain by re-inventing the wheel. Cosmetically though I took artistic license with things like raising the turtledeck and cockpit bulkheads by 1" for a more rounded look.....made my landing gear wider for more stability, made my deck angle that of what I was used to..an Aeronca Champ....put my luggage where Pietenpol put gasoline and installed a nose tank instead...and chromed up a few items just to annoy the purists. Mike C. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution =========== =EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD,=EF=BD=03g(=EF =BD=EF=BD=EF=BDM=EF=BDGq=EF=BDz=EF=BD=EF=BD ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:40 AM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine PietenpolThe good thing about T-88, is that it works just as well on wet wood. Check the spec walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:15 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol Since the last rain. They're growing in his back yard. :-) I'm using the equivalent to T-88 but when you think about it how much moisture is going to get past the varnish encasing everything? Eventually yes but it could be many years. Possibly never for a hangered AC. Good for you Jack. That's a lot of work crammed into a half a year. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 2:57 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol Mike has morals? Since when? Jack Phillips NX899JP Finally an honest to goodness certified Commercial Pilot today. Passed the checkride this afternoon, only 38 - =BD years after I got my Private license. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:36 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol Thanks Mike, You always put things into chrystal clear perspective. Nice to have someone around to use as a "standard". I know that many things on my Piet reflect your building practices, and Morals. thanks walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol A number of years ago when I first started going to Brodhead I noticed a nice Continental powered Piet built by so-and-so. It was a bit streamlined and had wheel pants and attended on a regular basis. One year after I left the fly-in I got a phone call from a friend who said that ole so-and-so stall-spun his Piet into the trees nearby the airport at Brodhead. The tall pines cushioned the impact and the owner/pilot survived with no hospital visit required. The recovery crew said that the entire airplane was built with white Elmer's glue and regular white grade pine that you'd get at Lowe's or Home Depot. He'd been flying like that for years, given many rides, and gone cross country quite often. That was his choice and he flew many enjoyable hours but.....again it is the builder's choice and if you know how to pick out wood you can have a pretty safe airplane...otherwise use the accepted standards of wood, steel, welding practices, and other fabrication methods that are known, tried, and true. I didn't want to research every single decision ad-nauseum so I stuck to what was pretty much FAA accepted practices and materials. I didn't want to hurt my brain by re-inventing the wheel. Cosmetically though I took artistic license with things like raising the turtledeck and cockpit bulkheads by 1" for a more rounded look.....made my landing gear wider for more stability, made my deck angle that of what I was used to..an Aeronca Champ....put my luggage where Pietenpol put gasoline and installed a nose tank instead...and chromed up a few items just to annoy the purists. Mike C. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 8/25/2008 8:48 PM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:28 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Commercial Ticket I got the instrument rating a few years ago (not that I've used it much since I don't have a plane with any instruments). You can get a limited commercial without an instrument rating (useful for aerial photography or crop dusting) but you have to have the instrument ticket to get a CFI. Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:31 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Commercial Ticket Is the instrument still optional for the commercial? Did you get the instrument, too? Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: Jack Phillips >Sent: Aug 25, 2008 7:33 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Commercial Ticket > >Main reason I wanted the commercial is to get my CFI ticket, and do >tailwheel endorsements. > > > >Jack > > > > _____ > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >HelsperSew@aol.com >Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:36 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Commercial Ticket > > > >Jack, > > > >Congratulations on your commercial ticket!!! Now tell us what you are >planning to do with it. I got mine when I was 18 years old, and it took me >till age 51 to actually exercise my privileges. I have a photo of myself >holding the first check for $56.00 that I earned legally, taking a guy out >to do aerial photography. That is the first (and only) money I ever "made" >flying. > > > >Dan Helsper >Poplar Grove, IL. > > > _____ > >It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal > here. > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:41 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: True Blue Pietenpol Jonathon, As everyone knows, the only way any airplane can genuinely attain the prestigious title "Pietenpol Air Camper" is to fastidiously follow the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. No variations or modifications are allowed. All others are fakes, alterations and copies. I myself, have chosen to unswervingly follow these plans. Except for a few minor areas (for safety sake) and a few other minor areas (just a small tweek of design to put my own flair on it) and a few other minor areas (just to modernize it a bit). Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:14 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Contact with builder Hi Guys, Does anybody know the email address of Mark Berger, builder of "The Spirit of Cupertino" Piet? Thanks, Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:09 AM PST US From: Jonathan Ragle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol I doubt it was the wood that did it. Could be wrong? How often does wood fail? glue and Home Depot pine PietenpolFrom: amsafetyc@aol.comDate: Tue=2C 26 Au g 2008 02:37:44 +0000 Not a very settling thought for someone building with poplarLike meJohn Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: "walt" Date: Mon=2C 25 Aug 2008 18:10:54 -0400To : Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol Michael =2C Sounds like "Poplar Piet" Fellow who had a picture of himself next to a poplar tree then next to the plane he made out of it. But alas=2C think he crashed it. walt evansNX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Silvius Sent: Monday=2C August 25=2C 2008 6:12 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenp ol Mike: I know a farmer a real old timer who goes by the name of Lucky and back abo ut 1985 he built himself a Piet. He cut down a poplar tree on the back 40 =2C milled it and started building. About six months from tree to finished flying plane. Not much for cosmetics on his rendition. I hear tell it is st ill out there flying. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy=2C Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] Sent: Monday=2C August 25=2C 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elmer's white glue and Home Depot pine Pietenpol A number of years ago when I first started going to Brodhead I noticed a ni ce Continental powered Piet built by so-and-so. It was a bit streamlined and had wheel pants and attended on a regular basis. One year after I left the fly-in I got a phone call from a friend who said that ole so-and-so stall-spun his Piet into the trees nearby the airport at Brodhead. The tall pines cushioned the impact and the owner/pilot survive d with no hospital visit required. The recovery crew said that the entire airplane was built with white Elmer's glue and regular white grade pine th at you'd get at Lowe's or Home Depot. He'd been flying like that for year s=2C given many rides=2C and gone cross country quite often. That was hi s choice and he flew many enjoyable hours but.....again it is the builder's choice and if you know how to pick out wood you can have a pretty safe air plane...otherwise use the accepted standards of wood=2C steel=2C welding pr actices=2C and other fabrication methods that are known=2C tried=2C and tru e. I didn't want to research every single decision ad-nauseum so I stuck to what was pretty much FAA accepted practices and materials. I didn't w ant to hurt my brain by re-inventing the wheel. Cosmetically though I too k artistic license with things like raising the turtledeck and cockpit bulk heads by 1" for a more rounded look.....made my landing gear wider for more stability=2C made my deck angle that of what I was used to..an Aeronca Cha mp....put my luggage where Pietenpol put gasoline and installed a nose tank instead...and chromed up a few items just to annoy the purists. 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Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_P hoto_Gallery_082008 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:28 AM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Contact with builder Dan, There's contact info at this website: http://myweb.cableone.net/anna22/pietenpol/index.html (assuming it's current) Bill C. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Contact with builder Hi Guys, Does anybody know the email address of Mark Berger, builder of "The Spirit of Cupertino" Piet? Thanks, Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:32 AM PST US From: Jonathan Ragle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: True Blue Pietenpol Dan=2C Gutsy. The one that I'm trying to buy right now has a C65 so it is updated a bit. The Continental definately takes away from the Model A's drop dead georgously ugly nose shape. The slant nosed A planes look a lot older and more genuine. But the wing is an even bigger deal I think=2C even if not as noticable to some people. Undesirable traits make up a personality as m uch as desirable traits. That said=2C if I build one I might put a Cub win g on it and call it something else. I would love to give spruce a try afte r working with aluminum. Might be cool to see what it is like to come in f rom the shop with blood remaining inside of me where it belongs rather than on the outside doing me little to no good. Now I just have to figure out wether you were taking a jab at me. =3B) Jonathan From: HelsperSew@aol.comDate: Tue=2C 26 Aug 2008 06:42:10 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: True Blue PietenpolTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Jonathon=2C As everyone knows=2C the only way any airplane can genuinely attain the pre stigious title "Pietenpol Air Camper" is to fastidiously follow the 1932 Fl ying and Glider Manual. No variations or modifications are allowed. All oth ers are fakes=2C alterations and copies. I myself=2C have chosen to unswerv ingly follow these plans. Except for a few minor areas (for safety sake) an d a few other minor areas (just a small tweek of design to put my own flair on it) and a few other minor areas (just to modernize it a bit). Dan HelsperPoplar Grove=2C IL. It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_P hoto_Gallery_082008 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator travel From: "skellytown flyer" Well I have made a belcrank for my GN-1 according to plans dimension-but seems to be a little short in travel.I will need to get the length of the cables set better but right now I have what appears to be about 30 degrees of up and only about 10 down if that.I am wondering how much difference is needed to safely fly if the plane is in the G range.I expect more up than down but not sure how much.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0654#200654 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: True Blue Pietenpol From: "Pieti Lowell" [To my knowledge there never has been a perfect Bernie Piet. ever built, I've seen many, Some are close, but not a perfect Pietenpol, Bernie always changed something, how many builders use cardboard for the leading edge ? Allen Rudolf's Piet was the closest I've seen, and flown. I have a bushel basket full of Piet hats, Sure must be fooling someone, As you all have noticed no two of my Piets were ever a true Piet, But I got credit for the changes, most of the time, at least to my face. I wonder what was said when I wasn't looking ? Most new Ideas keep the Piet basics going, keep up the good work guys. Pieti Lowell As everyone knows, the only way any airplane can genuinely attain the prestigious title "Pietenpol Air Camper" is to fastidiously follow the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. No variations or modifications are allowed. All others are fakes, alterations and copies. I myself, have chosen to unswervingly follow these plans. Except for a few minor areas (for safety sake) and a few other minor areas (just a small tweek of design to put my own flair on it) and a few other minor areas (just to modernize it a bit). Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047). > [b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0686#200686 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator travel From: "dwilson" I believe that the elevator travel should be 20 degrees up and 20 degrees down. I intend to incorporate stops into my controls to limit the up and down elevator deflection. As I recall from a presentation at Broadhead elevator deflection shall NEVER exceed 30 degrees in either direction. 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