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1. 01:16 AM - Any Australians on this list? (charles loomis)
2. 01:25 AM - Re: Any Australians on this list? (Peter W Johnson)
3. 08:18 AM - steering horn (skellytown flyer)
4. 08:52 AM - Re: Steering horn (TOM STINEMETZE)
5. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Steering horn (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
6. 09:46 AM - Re: steering horn (Skip Gadd)
7. 09:54 AM - Pietenpol joke (Michael Perez)
8. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: Steering horn (TOM STINEMETZE)
9. 02:19 PM - Re: steering horn (skellytown flyer)
10. 02:54 PM - Re: Pietenpol joke (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
11. 05:10 PM - Re: Re: steering horn (H RULE)
12. 05:18 PM - Re: steering horn (H RULE)
13. 05:41 PM - Re: Commercial Ticket (Jack Phillips) (donald lane)
14. 06:28 PM - Re: Re: Commercial Ticket (Jack Phillips) (Jack Phillips)
15. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: steering horn (Skip Gadd)
16. 07:09 PM - Re: steering horn (Wizzard187@aol.com)
17. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: Commercial Ticket (Jack Phillips) (Kirk Huizenga)
18. 08:15 PM - Re: Re: Steering horn (Gene Hubbard)
19. 08:29 PM - Re: steering horn (gcardinal)
20. 08:52 PM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (Allan Macklem)
21. 09:37 PM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (Allan Macklem)
22. 09:40 PM - Re: Weight and balance question (Allan Macklem)
23. 09:55 PM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (Ryan Mueller)
24. 10:42 PM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (johnwoods@westnet.com.au)
25. 10:45 PM - Rear seat install (Marc Davis)
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Subject: | Any Australians on this list? |
And if so do you know if any Pietenpols will be at the Coffs Harbour Air Show?
Or if there are any Piets in Northern NSW, or even NSW at all?
Charley
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Subject: | Any Australians on this list? |
Charley,
There were a couple of Piet's in Noosa I believe. There are a few being
built in QLD and WA. I finished mine in 2006. You are welcome to come and
look if you are down in Vic.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Vic
http://www.cpc-world.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of charles
loomis
Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2008 6:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Any Australians on this list?
And if so do you know if any Pietenpols will be at the Coffs Harbour Air
Show?
Or if there are any Piets in Northern NSW, or even NSW at all?
Charley
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I( don't know how many are flying the GN-1 design that are on this list.maybe I
can get some answers,the plans call for a separate steering horn for the tailwheel
the way I see it.Mine has a set if extra cables attached to the rudder cables
to pull the tailwheel horns but I also made a set of the horns the plans
called for to be bolted to the bottom of the rudder to go to the tailwheel. What
is the best way to go here-have the extra cables going through the fuselage
fabric all the way back or use the horns on the rudder and a short set of cables?
I expect that there are good and bad with either but I would appreciate
some advice from anybody that has tried it.Raymond
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Subject: | Re: Steering horn |
> What is the best way to go here-have the extra cables going through the
fuselage fabric all the way back or use the horns on the rudder and a
short set of cables? <
I am ready to ask that same question. It appears that an extra control
horn on the rudder would add extra weight just where you don't want it
but, overall, an extra set of cables running all the way to the rudder bar
would weigh more. Is there a way to attach the steering cables to the
rudder cables about half way back (i.e. just aft or forward of the
pulleys?)
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
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Subject: | Re: Steering horn |
I have seen this done poorly on a KR-2 with Nicopress sleeves, if I were to
do this though I would prefer to make a loop around an eye, add the Nicopress
sleeve, run one leg to the rudder and one to the tail wheel. Run a new cable
forward to the rudder pedals. The question I would have is what is the
greatest angle allowable for two cable ends exiting from a Nicopress fitting?
Seems to me there would be a lot of "working" of the fittings here caused by
the tail wheel that would be better absorbed by the "idler bar" inside the
fueselage?
...Chrissi
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In a message dated 8/27/2008 10:54:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
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> What is the best way to go here-have the extra cables going through the
fuselage fabric all the way back or use the horns on the rudder and a short set
of cables? <
I am ready to ask that same question. It appears that an extra control horn
on the rudder would add extra weight just where you don't want it but,
overall, an extra set of cables running all the way to the rudder bar would weigh
more. Is there a way to attach the steering cables to the rudder cables
about half way back (i.e. just aft or forward of the pulleys?)
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS
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Felix the GN-1 I bought has the extra horn per plans. It seems to work
fine. Tom is right there may be more weight aft. There is also more wood as
you have to fill in the corner gusset with spruce to help out with the
extra stress that horn puts on the rudder. This method is more simple
though, and that is good.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: skellytown flyer <rhano@att.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/27/2008 11:22:13 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: steering horn
>
>
> I( don't know how many are flying the GN-1 design that are on this
list.maybe I can get some answers,the plans call for a separate steering
horn for the tailwheel the way I see it.Mine has a set if extra cables
attached to the rudder cables to pull the tailwheel horns but I also made a
set of the horns the plans called for to be bolted to the bottom of the
rudder to go to the tailwheel. What is the best way to go here-have the
extra cables going through the fuselage fabric all the way back or use the
horns on the rudder and a short set of cables? I expect that there are good
and bad with either but I would appreciate some advice from anybody that
has tried it.Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0918#200918
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A good friend of mine just dropped this on me. I thought it was funny.- W
hat happens to a Pietenpol that sits too long?
-
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It gathers piet moss!- BADUM-PA! Thank you! I'll be here all night!
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Subject: | Re: Steering horn |
>Seems to me there would be a lot of "working" of the fittings here caused
by the tail wheel that would be better absorbed by the "idler bar" inside
the fueselage?
...Chrissi>
Hmmm. Obviously some room for cogitatin' here. I don't like the idea of
two cables running back from the rudder bar. Maybe a single, larger,
cable running back to a splitter fitting or a loop which in turn attaches
to two separate cables running back to the rudder and steering assembly
through some shimmy damper springs. That tail wheel is going to be
"working" something either way and I really don't like the idea of it
working the rudder directly, even with shimmy damper springs in between.
Any way you look at it though, any cable loops should have grommets or
shackles to keep the rubbing from being cable to cable.
Tom S.
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Subject: | Re: steering horn |
Skip-is your airplane flying now? I would sure like to hear from GN-1 flyers as
to how the plane is doing .Raymond
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol joke |
"You re going straight to hell for that one"! (_Adrian Cronauer_
(http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000245/) :Good Morning Vietnam) Robin Williams voice of Pvt
Gomer Pyle USMC, Jim Nabors
In a message dated 8/27/2008 12:54:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
speedbrake@sbcglobal.net writes:
A good friend of mine just dropped this on me. I thought it was funny. What
happens to a Pietenpol that sits too long?
It gathers piet moss! BADUM-PA! Thank you! I'll be here all night!
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Subject: | Re: steering horn |
My GN-1 is doing just fine since I found out the gap on the plugs was too w
ide.I've had really great flights with her except the other night after wor
k was a bit too cool.I should have worn a heavier coat.It will soon be time
to drain the run in oil and put regular oil into her.It should be interest
ing to see what changes occur if any.Having a wonderful time of it up here
in Ottawa Canada.=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: skellytown
flyer <rhano@att.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday
, August 27, 2008 5:18:54 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steering horn
et>=0A=0ASkip-is your airplane flying now? I would sure like to hear from G
N-1 flyers as to how the plane is doing .Raymond=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this to
pic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0999#
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Subject: | Re: steering horn |
I originally had mine going from- the horn on the wheel to a horn on the
rudder with springs but I figured there was too much pressure on the rudder
so I took it off.To steer I just use rudder and brakes and it works just f
ine.Better braking and turning counter clockwise than clockwise though.I th
ink it may have something to do with the gyro scopic progression from the p
rop.That's my two cents worth.-=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0A
From: skellytown flyer <rhano@att.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:17:36 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List:
<rhano@att.net>=0A=0AI( don't know how many are flying the GN-1 design tha
t are on this list.maybe I can get some answers,the plans call for a separa
te steering horn for the tailwheel the way I see it.Mine has a set if extra
cables attached to the rudder cables to pull the tailwheel horns but I als
o made a set of the horns the plans called for to be bolted to the bottom o
f the rudder to go to the tailwheel. What is the best way to go here-have t
he extra cables going through the fuselage fabric all the way back or use t
he horns on the rudder and a short set of cables? I expect that there are g
ood and bad with either but I would appreciate some advice from anybody tha
t has tried it.Raymond=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp
://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0918#200918=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List
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Subject: | Re: Commercial Ticket (Jack Phillips) |
Congratulations Jack,
When you get the CFI, I would like to be your student, for the
taildragger endorsement, especially if it would be in your Piet. Is
that legal?
Don Lane
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Subject: | Re: Commercial Ticket (Jack Phillips) |
Yep. Transition training is legal in Experimental aircraft. Primary
instruction is not (at least, that's my understanding). That's my primary
purpose in getting the CFI - tailwheel endorsements and transition training.
I might have to add brakes in the front seat of my Piet if I'm going to use
it for transition training.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of donald lane
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Commercial Ticket (Jack Phillips)
Congratulations Jack,
When you get the CFI, I would like to be your student, for the taildragger
endorsement, especially if it would be in your Piet. Is that legal?
Don Lane
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Subject: | Re: steering horn |
Raymond, Yes the Piet, I mean GN-1 is flying. This past weekend we flew
from WV to Merrys Pymatunning on the OH/PA border. It was 3 hours each way.
Went with a Colt, Chief and Cub. The Piet and Cub fly about the same in
cruise, the Chief a little faster and the Colt went ahead and checked out
the restaurant at the fuel stop. First actual camp out in the aircamper,
great trip.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: skellytown flyer <rhano@att.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/27/2008 5:23:09 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steering horn
>
>
> Skip-is your airplane flying now? I would sure like to hear from GN-1
flyers as to how the plane is doing .Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0999#200999
>
>
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Subject: | Re: steering horn |
Pieter's I have been making taxi test and last night ended in the
government set=aside acres. What weight do you guys on the tail wheel when in
the
cockpit. Also I have 19 in motorcycle wheels with modified cleveland brakes
and they are about like a stick in a soapbox car. When taxing down the run
way it seems to take a long time for my correction to kick in. My springs are
pretty tight but had them loose when i got into the tall (6 ft) grass.
Thanks. Ken Conrad in Iowa with great weather
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Subject: | Re: Commercial Ticket (Jack Phillips) |
Why not become a Sport-Pilot CFI (CFI-SP) - at least as a start? Don't
even need the commercial license or an instrument rating. The Piet
fits (or at least should fit) the LSA category also.
Only need 150 hours of flight time (with some sub category times) plus
the normal CFI tests and sign-offs. Check out FAR 61.4xx. The ability
to teach tailwheel needs nothing more than the endorsement you already
have and the CFI-SP.
I think this is all accurate, but could be wrong
Cheers
Kirk
On Aug 27, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> Yep. Transition training is legal in Experimental aircraft.
> Primary instruction is not (at least, that=92s my understanding).
> That=92s my primary purpose in getting the CFI ' tailwheel
> endorsements and transition training. I might have to add brakes in
> the front seat of my Piet if I=92m going to use it for transition
> training.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of donald lane
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:43 PM
> To: piet list matronics
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Commercial Ticket (Jack Phillips)
>
> Congratulations Jack,
> When you get the CFI, I would like to be your student, for the
> taildragger endorsement, especially if it would be in your Piet. Is
> that legal?
> Don Lane
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Steering horn |
Think about the torque on the rudder spar. On 421GN, I ran the
tailwheel cables all the way from the rudder bar, but joining them
somewhere aft with a nicopress should also work. One problem is that
with a "Y" connection, there will be more side-to-side cable motion than
with strictly fore-and-aft motion.
Gene Hubbard
NX421GN
San Diego
TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> > What is the best way to go here-have the extra cables going through
> the fuselage fabric all the way back or use the horns on the rudder
> and a short set of cables? <
>
> I am ready to ask that same question. It appears that an extra
> control horn on the rudder would add extra weight just where you don't
> want it but, overall, an extra set of cables running all the way to
> the rudder bar would weigh more. Is there a way to attach the
> steering cables to the rudder cables about half way back (i.e. just
> aft or forward of the pulleys?)
>
> Tom Stinemetze
> McPherson, KS
>
>
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Subject: | Re: steering horn |
Ken,
On NX18235 with me in the cockpit (190#) it brings the aircraft weight
to 811#. The weight on the tailwheel is 116#. The mains are 19" spoked
wheels and the axle is positioned 20" aft of the firewall. It is
equipped with a tailskid and no brakes.
Ground handling is generally docile. The most trouble I have is when I
try to taxi in a crosswind or downwind when the wind gets above 12mph.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Wizzard187@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: steering horn
Pieter's I have been making taxi test and last night ended in the
government set=aside acres. What weight do you guys on the tail
wheel when in the cockpit. Also I have 19 in motorcycle wheels with
modified cleveland brakes and they are about like a stick in a soapbox
car. When taxing down the run way it seems to take a long time for my
correction to kick in. My springs are pretty tight but had them loose
when i got into the tall (6 ft) grass. Thanks. Ken Conrad in Iowa
with great weather
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Subject: | Re: From print to jig...how? |
Lowell,
Two years ago at Brodhead I listened to your conversation regarding the
superiority of the GA30U-612 airfoil over BP's airfoil. In Tim Willis'
posting I read about the GA3OU 613.5 airfoil.
If I am understanding the thread of conversation correctly the 612 airfoil
seems to be preferred over the 613.5 for aircraft with 100+ hp. I'm
intending to use a WW Corvair conversion for my Piet.
Who should I contact to get a print, coordinates, and any notes relating to
the GA30U-612 airfoil?
Please confirm my understanding in selecting the 612 airfoil.
Regards,
Allan Macklem
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Subject: | Re: From print to jig...how? |
Roman,
Do you have the print for the GA3OU 612 airfoil?\
Allan
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Subject: | Re: Weight and balance question |
Walt,
Please send me your weight/balance Excel program.
Thanks,
Allan
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Subject: | Re: From print to jig...how? |
Allan,
Just a reminder, the Pietenpol list archive is searchable, at:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/search.html
Pick Pietenpol from the drop down list, and then type in your search terms.
There are instructions on that page as well. The archive is a good source
for answers to all the questions that have been asked previously, such as
your question about the Riblett print. A search for "Roman & Riblett" gets
you what you are looking for in the first result. Hope that helps,
Ryan
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:37 PM, Allan Macklem <awmacklem@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Roman,
>
> Do you have the print for the GA3OU 612 airfoil?\
>
> Allan
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Subject: | Re: From print to jig...how? |
Allan,
I posted this spreadsheet a while ago=2E
Hope it helps=2E
JohnW
>
>
>---- Original Message ----
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>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig=2E=2E=2Ehow=3F
>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:52:11 -0500
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><awmacklem@cox=2Enet>
>>
>>Lowell,
>>
>>Two years ago at Brodhead I listened to your conversation regarding
>the
>>superiority of the GA30U-612 airfoil over BP's airfoil=2E In Tim
>Willis'
>>posting I read about the GA3OU 613=2E5 airfoil=2E
>>
>>If I am understanding the thread of conversation correctly the 612
>airfoil
>>seems to be preferred over the 613=2E5 for aircraft with 100+ hp=2E I'
m
>
>>intending to use a WW Corvair conversion for my Piet=2E
>>
>>Who should I contact to get a print, coordinates, and any notes
>relating to
>>the GA30U-612 airfoil=3F
>>
>>Please confirm my understanding in selecting the 612 airfoil=2E
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Allan Macklem
>>
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Are you glueing in the rear seat botom and back=2C or making them removable
for access to the tail cone?
Thanks
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