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1. 01:12 AM - Re: Rear seat install (walt)
2. 02:39 AM - Re: Rear seat install (HelsperSew@aol.com)
3. 03:28 AM - Re: Rear seat install (amsafetyc@aol.com)
4. 03:45 AM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (Dave and Connie)
5. 03:45 AM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (Dave and Connie)
6. 04:17 AM - Re: Rear seat install (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
7. 04:49 AM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (Roman Bukolt)
8. 05:36 AM - Rear seat install (Oscar Zuniga)
9. 05:43 AM - steering horn (Oscar Zuniga)
10. 05:54 AM - Re: Rear seat install (HelsperSew@aol.com)
11. 06:06 AM - Re: Rear seat install (Bill Church)
12. 06:09 AM - Re: Rear seat install (Phillips, Jack)
13. 06:34 AM - Re: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200 (Jonathan Ragle)
14. 06:35 AM - Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (HelsperSew@aol.com)
15. 06:39 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Phillips, Jack)
16. 06:47 AM - rear seat install (Oscar Zuniga)
17. 07:30 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (HelsperSew@aol.com)
18. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: Steering horn (Ryan Mueller)
19. 08:21 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Gene Rambo)
20. 08:47 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Phillips, Jack)
21. 09:06 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Gene Rambo)
22. 09:10 AM - Re: rivets on gear (Gene Rambo)
23. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: rivets on gear (HelsperSew@aol.com)
24. 09:19 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (dwilson)
25. 09:34 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Phillips, Jack)
26. 09:37 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Lloyd Smith)
27. 09:51 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Phillips, Jack)
28. 10:47 AM - locking tee nuts (Oscar Zuniga)
29. 11:50 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Gene Rambo)
30. 11:52 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Gene Rambo)
31. 11:55 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
32. 11:58 AM - Re: Re: rivets on gear (Gene Rambo)
33. 04:33 PM - Access cover for rear stabilizer (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
34. 04:57 PM - Re: Rear seat install (skellytown flyer)
35. 06:47 PM - FW: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Gary Boothe)
36. 10:35 PM - Re: Rear seat install (Marc Davis)
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Subject: | Re: Rear seat install |
I glued
walt evans
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Campers
Are you glueing in the rear seat botom and back, or making them
removable for access to the tail cone?
Thanks
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Subject: | Re: Rear seat install |
Marc,
I glued in my rear seat back because I feel that it is an important
structural member. The seat bottom on mine just sits there by itself from gravity.
I
have a couple of pulleys under there that I need to get to. Photo attached.
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Subject: | Re: Rear seat install |
Glued the back and hinged the bottom
John
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Campers
Are youglueing in the rear seat botom and back, or making them removable for access
to the tail cone?
Thanks
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Subject: | Re: From print to jig...how? |
Roman,
Do you have the print for the GA3OU 612 airfoil?\
Allan
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8/28/2008 7:39 AM
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Subject: | Re: From print to jig...how? |
Lowell,
Two years ago at Brodhead I listened to your conversation regarding the
superiority of the GA30U-612 airfoil over BP's airfoil. In Tim Willis'
posting I read about the GA3OU 613.5 airfoil.
If I am understanding the thread of conversation correctly the 612 airfoil
seems to be preferred over the 613.5 for aircraft with 100+ hp. I'm
intending to use a WW Corvair conversion for my Piet.
Who should I contact to get a print, coordinates, and any notes relating to
the GA30U-612 airfoil?
Please confirm my understanding in selecting the 612 airfoil.
Regards,
Allan Macklem
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8/28/2008 7:39 AM
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Subject: | Rear seat install |
Dan H. is right about the seat back being a structural (bulkhead) member
but in my
case I simply beefed up the perimeter of the seat back and seat
framework to do that job yet
made the back and seat removable.
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Subject: | Re: From print to jig...how? |
Yes I do.
just send a check for $10.00 to:
Roman Bukolt
6505 Urich terrace
Madison, Wi. 53719
On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:37 PM, Allan Macklem wrote:
> >
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> Roman,
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> Do you have the print for the GA3OU 612 airfoil?\
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> Allan
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Subject: | Rear seat install |
The rear seat bottom on 41CC is removable (lifts out) and the seat back is hinged.
It's essential that you have access to the elevator bellcrank behind the
seat, if nothing else.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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Raymond; here is a pic of the tailwheel setup on Ernie Moreno's airplane: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/tailwh01.jpg
And another one: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/Pb030025.jpg
Doesn't seem that it would add any appreciable amount of weight but then again,
this airplane is very tail-heavy.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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Subject: | Re: Rear seat install |
On mine, in order to access the elevator bellcrank etc. I have installed a
removable aluminum panel on the underside of the airplane held on with machine
screws and T nuts. I can actually get my whole upper torso in there with
shoulders.
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Subject: | Rear seat install |
That's always the best way. I find it very painful and inconvenient to
remove my shoulders from my upper torso.
(just in case it's not obvious, that's a weak attempt at a humorous comment)
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I can actually get my whole upper torso in there with shoulders.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Rear seat install |
That's what I did as well. I glued my seatback in place and the rear
seat bottom is removable with screws. I've never removed it, but I go
into my access panel at every annual to lubricate the bellcrank, inspect
the connections and the cables and to change the batteries on the ELT.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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On mine, in order to access the elevator bellcrank etc. I have installed
a removable aluminum panel on the underside of the airplane held on with
machine screws and T nuts. I can actually get my whole upper torso in
there with shoulders.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200 |
Do these all use the same engine mount? Anyone know roughly the dimensiona
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Subject: | Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts |
Guys,
What have people done to fabricate an access panel to get at the horizontal
stab hold-down nuts? Pictures would be helpful. Thanks.
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Subject: | Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts |
Nothing. I installed nutplates on the underside of the top longerons
for the bolts. As I recall they were some LOOOONG bolts. AN3-27 as I
recall
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Guys,
What have people done to fabricate an access panel to get at the
horizontal stab hold-down nuts? Pictures would be helpful. Thanks.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | rear seat install |
Holy smokes, Dan-! You've either got a pretty generous sized access hole or you're
a small guy! 41CC has a removable access panel on the underside of the tail
but that's no good for preflight inspection. Swinging my seat back forward
during preflight gives me a quick view of everything in the tailcone with no
fuss.
I should qualify my remarks about the hinged seat back by saying that the hinged
part is actually cut out of the complete seat back bulkhead. The fixed part
does still provide some stiffness and diaphragm strength to the bulkhead and
I believe the framing is beefed up a bit as well. Regardless, the airplane seems
to be quite sound structurally with it set up this way.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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Subject: | Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts |
Thanks Jack,
Of course the nut plates make the most sense. Why didn't I think of that?
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Subject: | Re: Steering horn |
Bill Rewey used brass split-bolt connectors to attach his tailwheel steering
cables to the rudder cables. Pretty basic, and his Piet has been flying for
years (so it definitely works). If you look at the various pics of his Piet
at:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/new_page_3.htm
...you can get a rough idea of where the cables exit the bottom of the
fuselage. There are no good shots of the connection, although you can just
barely see one of the connectors in this shot:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Bill%20Rewey/DSCF0024.JPG
I believe if you look below where the headset cable meets the seat cushion
you can just make out one of the connectors, to give an idea of where the
cables attach in the cockpit. For an SASE and $2.00 you can get a page with
drawings and information about exactly how he did it. This info also comes
as part of his entire info packet for $20, which I think was definitely a
good investment. His mailing address is:
Bill Rewey
3339 Mound View Rd
Verona, WI 53593
Hope that helps,
Ryan
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Gene Hubbard <enhubbard@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Think about the torque on the rudder spar. On 421GN, I ran the tailwheel
> cables all the way from the rudder bar, but joining them somewhere aft with
> a nicopress should also work. One problem is that with a "Y" connection,
> there will be more side-to-side cable motion than with strictly fore-and-aft
> motion.
>
> Gene Hubbard
> NX421GN
> San Diego
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> TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
>
> > What is the best way to go here-have the extra cables going through the
> fuselage fabric all the way back or use the horns on the rudder and a short
> set of cables? <
>
> *I am ready to ask that same question. It appears that an extra control
> horn on the rudder would add extra weight just where you don't want it but,
> overall, an extra set of cables running all the way to the rudder bar would
> weigh more. Is there a way to attach the steering cables to the rudder
> cables about half way back (i.e. just aft or forward of the pulleys?)*
> **
> *Tom Stinemetze*
> *McPherson, KS*
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Subject: | Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts |
The problem is, what kind of nut plates and how? At least on my
airplane, the bolts come through the top longeron close to a diagonal
and between the plywood gussets that attach the diagonal. I wish I
could use those "wood nuts" for lack of a better term, but they have to
be drilled oversized for the depth of the nut and I cannot get to the
bottom to drill up, and if I drill from the top, the hole will be
oversized. So, I get back to, what kind of nutplates and how are they
attached?
Gene
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Thanks Jack,
Of course the nut plates make the most sense. Why didn't I think of
that?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts |
Gene, mine is a long fuselage and that might make a difference. I don't
have any good pictures of the initial assembly, but after my forced
landing I had to go in and repair the right lower longeron and I took
this picture of the repair. By chance, it shows the nutplates under the
top longerons. As I recall, I drilled the # 10 hole straight down
through the stabilizer and the longeron, then installed the nutplate
with epoxy and small brass screws to the bottom surface of the top
longerons. It works well and sure is easier than trying to find the # 7
wood screws called out in the plans.
One nice thing about using nutplates - it makes it easy to do rigging
changes if the incidence of the tail needs to be changed. You can just
remove the bolts and insert or remove washers as required to set the
incidence where it needs to be.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts
The problem is, what kind of nut plates and how? At least on my
airplane, the bolts come through the top longeron close to a diagonal
and between the plywood gussets that attach the diagonal. I wish I
could use those "wood nuts" for lack of a better term, but they have to
be drilled oversized for the depth of the nut and I cannot get to the
bottom to drill up, and if I drill from the top, the hole will be
oversized. So, I get back to, what kind of nutplates and how are they
attached?
Gene
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Thanks Jack,
Of course the nut plates make the most sense. Why didn't I think
of that?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts |
Thanks Jack!
Mine is a short fuselage, and it is different back there (although I did
not know it). Imagine your nutplate 3-4" further forward so that it is
behind the gussets. I guess there is room for me to glue/screw that
type of nutplate in. Like I said, if I had the access you do, I would
have used the wood nut type that pushes into the hole. I still may do
that and drill the hole oversized from the top, push the nut in the
bottom, and put a bushing in the rest of the way.
Gene
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Subject: | Re: rivets on gear |
Guys:
For what it is worth, I just installed rivets on my landing gear
(Jenny-style) as called for in the plans, rather than bolts. The 3/16"
steel rivets were cheap, very easy to install, and worked great! Now I
have no nuts/cotter pins to get in the way of the cable fitting,
spreader bar ends, or shock cords.
Just thought I would throw it out. If anyone else is interested, drop
me a note. I might go ahead and use rivets on the tail fittings as
well, I am really impressed with how it worked out.
Gene
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Subject: | Re: rivets on gear |
Gene,
What type of rivets are these, and where did you get them?
Dan Helsper
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Subject: | Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts |
The two sides are covered with poly-fiber or similar fabric system. This seems
like a logical place for an inspection ring and cover. Be sure to paint the
inspection hole covers when you paint the fabric so that it matches the fabric.
You can then access the nuts through the inspection holes for assembly of the
horizontal stabilizer, install the covers, and then tell everyone at Broadhead
what the inspection holes are for....
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1221#201221
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Subject: | Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts |
Gene, are you putting the bolt through the leading edge of the stab or
the spar? I put mine through the spar because there wasn't room to get
a nutplate in through the leading edge.
Is there room to backdrill for a T-Nut using a 90 degree angle drill?
If not, your idea of drilling the hole oversize for the T-Nut and then
bushing it is probably the best way to go. You could actually glue a
dowel in the oversized hole and then drill it out to accept the bolt and
lose no strength at all.
Jack Phillips, PE
Sr. Manager, Disposable Products Research & Development
Cardinal Health Clinical Technologies & Services
Creedmoor, NC
(919) 528-5212
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts
Thanks Jack!
Mine is a short fuselage, and it is different back there (although I did
not know it). Imagine your nutplate 3-4" further forward so that it is
behind the gussets. I guess there is room for me to glue/screw that
type of nutplate in. Like I said, if I had the access you do, I would
have used the wood nut type that pushes into the hole. I still may do
that and drill the hole oversized from the top, push the nut in the
bottom, and put a bushing in the rest of the way.
Gene
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Subject: | Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts |
Just something to think about with the wood nuts (teenuts) like you're
referring to. There is no locking feature built into them, so some
alternative method of bolt saftying should be considered.
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> Thanks Jack!
>
> Mine is a short fuselage, and it is different back there (although I did
> not know it). Imagine your nutplate 3-4" further forward so that it is
> behind the gussets. I guess there is room for me to glue/screw that type of
> nutplate in. Like I said, if I had the access you do, I would have used the
> wood nut type that pushes into the hole. I still may do that and drill the
> hole oversized from the top, push the nut in the bottom, and put a bushing
> in the rest of the way.
>
> Gene
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Subject: | Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts |
Good point, Lloyd. That was what drove me to use the nutplates.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts
Just something to think about with the wood nuts (teenuts) like you're
referring to. There is no locking feature built into them, so some
alternative method of bolt saftying should be considered.
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
Thanks Jack!
Mine is a short fuselage, and it is different back there (although I did
not know it). Imagine your nutplate 3-4" further forward so that it is
behind the gussets. I guess there is room for me to glue/screw that
type of nutplate in. Like I said, if I had the access you do, I would
have used the wood nut type that pushes into the hole. I still may do
that and drill the hole oversized from the top, push the nut in the
bottom, and put a bushing in the rest of the way.
Gene
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Subject: | locking tee nuts |
Shows you what a country goober I am. I just took the tee nuts and gave the ends
a slight crimp in the vise to make them semi-self-locking. A dab of Locktite
(not the permanent stuff) might also do.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts |
Jack:
No, I am drilling through the spar, it comes out where I say. I am,
however, putting in the screws through the leading edge, I can see the
need for it and the spacer block below the leading edge. I will
probably use a T-nut as described. I am not sure a wooden dowel will
add anything after drilling it back out as opposed to a bushing. Then
again, I might just use a nut! (with a normal sized inspection ring on
one side to get my hand in)
Gene
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Subject: | Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts |
if I use T-nuts, I will just safety the heads together
Gene
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Subject: | Re: rivets on gear |
Dan:
I just googled "steel rivets" and found several suppliers. I bought a 1
pound box for $5.35 + shipping from these guys:
www.rjleahy.com/Store/rivets/trvr.htm<http://www.rjleahy.com/Store/rivets
/trvr.htm>
I did have to buy a special rivet set for the old-fashioned round head
rivet, but from another supplier because it was cheaper (still cost far
more than the rivets) I would loan the set to anyone who needs it,
though.
Gene
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Subject: | Access cover for rear stabilizer |
Here is what I have carved out for my access to rear hinges. The cut-out ov
er laps and I think look pretty good.
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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Subject: | Re: Rear seat install |
Dan/anyone-I like that seat with the insert.is there any place that sells them
at an affordable price? I have been looking for something that would look right
in a Piet and that is it for sure.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1317#201317
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Subject: | Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts |
Mike,
I was glad to see that you did use drywall screws there..
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(11 ribs down.)
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Subject: | Rear seat install |
Thanks for all the input on how your doing your rear seats.
Has anyone made the turtle deck removable to allow access to the tail cone?
Seems easy enough.
Marc
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