---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/28/08: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:12 AM - Re: Rear seat install (walt) 2. 02:39 AM - Re: Rear seat install (HelsperSew@aol.com) 3. 03:28 AM - Re: Rear seat install (amsafetyc@aol.com) 4. 03:45 AM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (Dave and Connie) 5. 03:45 AM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (Dave and Connie) 6. 04:17 AM - Re: Rear seat install (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 7. 04:49 AM - Re: Re: From print to jig...how? (Roman Bukolt) 8. 05:36 AM - Rear seat install (Oscar Zuniga) 9. 05:43 AM - steering horn (Oscar Zuniga) 10. 05:54 AM - Re: Rear seat install (HelsperSew@aol.com) 11. 06:06 AM - Re: Rear seat install (Bill Church) 12. 06:09 AM - Re: Rear seat install (Phillips, Jack) 13. 06:34 AM - Re: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200 (Jonathan Ragle) 14. 06:35 AM - Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (HelsperSew@aol.com) 15. 06:39 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Phillips, Jack) 16. 06:47 AM - rear seat install (Oscar Zuniga) 17. 07:30 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (HelsperSew@aol.com) 18. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: Steering horn (Ryan Mueller) 19. 08:21 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Gene Rambo) 20. 08:47 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Phillips, Jack) 21. 09:06 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Gene Rambo) 22. 09:10 AM - Re: rivets on gear (Gene Rambo) 23. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: rivets on gear (HelsperSew@aol.com) 24. 09:19 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (dwilson) 25. 09:34 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Phillips, Jack) 26. 09:37 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Lloyd Smith) 27. 09:51 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Phillips, Jack) 28. 10:47 AM - locking tee nuts (Oscar Zuniga) 29. 11:50 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Gene Rambo) 30. 11:52 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Gene Rambo) 31. 11:55 AM - Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 32. 11:58 AM - Re: Re: rivets on gear (Gene Rambo) 33. 04:33 PM - Access cover for rear stabilizer (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 34. 04:57 PM - Re: Rear seat install (skellytown flyer) 35. 06:47 PM - FW: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts (Gary Boothe) 36. 10:35 PM - Re: Rear seat install (Marc Davis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:12:32 AM PST US From: "walt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rear seat install I glued walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Davis To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rear seat install Campers Are you glueing in the rear seat botom and back, or making them removable for access to the tail cone? Thanks Marc ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be=97learn how to burn a DVD with Windows=AE. Make your smash hit ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:09 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rear seat install Marc, I glued in my rear seat back because I feel that it is an important structural member. The seat bottom on mine just sits there by itself from gravity. I have a couple of pulleys under there that I need to get to. Photo attached. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rear seat install From: amsafetyc@aol.com Glued the back and hinged the bottom John ------Original Message------ From: Marc Davis Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Aug 28, 2008 1:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rear seat install Campers Are youglueing in the rear seat botom and back, or making them removable for access to the tail cone? Thanks Marc ---------------- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:14 AM PST US From: Dave and Connie Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? Roman, Do you have the print for the GA3OU 612 airfoil?\ Allan Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 8/28/2008 7:39 AM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:14 AM PST US From: Dave and Connie Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? Lowell, Two years ago at Brodhead I listened to your conversation regarding the superiority of the GA30U-612 airfoil over BP's airfoil. In Tim Willis' posting I read about the GA3OU 613.5 airfoil. If I am understanding the thread of conversation correctly the 612 airfoil seems to be preferred over the 613.5 for aircraft with 100+ hp. I'm intending to use a WW Corvair conversion for my Piet. Who should I contact to get a print, coordinates, and any notes relating to the GA30U-612 airfoil? Please confirm my understanding in selecting the 612 airfoil. Regards, Allan Macklem Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 8/28/2008 7:39 AM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:05 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rear seat install From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Dan H. is right about the seat back being a structural (bulkhead) member but in my case I simply beefed up the perimeter of the seat back and seat framework to do that job yet made the back and seat removable. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:04 AM PST US From: Roman Bukolt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how? Yes I do. just send a check for $10.00 to: Roman Bukolt 6505 Urich terrace Madison, Wi. 53719 On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:37 PM, Allan Macklem wrote: > > > > Roman, > > Do you have the print for the GA3OU 612 airfoil?\ > > Allan > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:03 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rear seat install The rear seat bottom on 41CC is removable (lifts out) and the seat back is hinged. It's essential that you have access to the elevator bellcrank behind the seat, if nothing else. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:18 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: steering horn Raymond; here is a pic of the tailwheel setup on Ernie Moreno's airplane: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/tailwh01.jpg And another one: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/Pb030025.jpg Doesn't seem that it would add any appreciable amount of weight but then again, this airplane is very tail-heavy. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:40 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rear seat install On mine, in order to access the elevator bellcrank etc. I have installed a removable aluminum panel on the underside of the airplane held on with machine screws and T nuts. I can actually get my whole upper torso in there with shoulders. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:58 AM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rear seat install That's always the best way. I find it very painful and inconvenient to remove my shoulders from my upper torso. (just in case it's not obvious, that's a weak attempt at a humorous comment) _____ Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rear seat install I can actually get my whole upper torso in there with shoulders. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:28 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rear seat install From: "Phillips, Jack" That's what I did as well. I glued my seatback in place and the rear seat bottom is removable with screws. I've never removed it, but I go into my access panel at every annual to lubricate the bellcrank, inspect the connections and the cables and to change the batteries on the ELT. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:54 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rear seat install On mine, in order to access the elevator bellcrank etc. I have installed a removable aluminum panel on the underside of the airplane held on with machine screws and T nuts. I can actually get my whole upper torso in there with shoulders. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. _____ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here =2E _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:12 AM PST US From: Jonathan Ragle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200 Do these all use the same engine mount? Anyone know roughly the dimensiona l difference? Jonathan _________________________________________________________________ Get thousands of games on your PC=2C your mobile phone=2C and the web with Windows=AE. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:02 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts Guys, What have people done to fabricate an access panel to get at the horizontal stab hold-down nuts? Pictures would be helpful. Thanks. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:38 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts From: "Phillips, Jack" Nothing. I installed nutplates on the underside of the top longerons for the bolts. As I recall they were some LOOOONG bolts. AN3-27 as I recall Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:35 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts Guys, What have people done to fabricate an access panel to get at the horizontal stab hold-down nuts? Pictures would be helpful. Thanks. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. _____ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here =2E _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:28 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: rear seat install Holy smokes, Dan-! You've either got a pretty generous sized access hole or you're a small guy! 41CC has a removable access panel on the underside of the tail but that's no good for preflight inspection. Swinging my seat back forward during preflight gives me a quick view of everything in the tailcone with no fuss. I should qualify my remarks about the hinged seat back by saying that the hinged part is actually cut out of the complete seat back bulkhead. The fixed part does still provide some stiffness and diaphragm strength to the bulkhead and I believe the framing is beefed up a bit as well. Regardless, the airplane seems to be quite sound structurally with it set up this way. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:41 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts Thanks Jack, Of course the nut plates make the most sense. Why didn't I think of that? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:44 AM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steering horn Bill Rewey used brass split-bolt connectors to attach his tailwheel steering cables to the rudder cables. Pretty basic, and his Piet has been flying for years (so it definitely works). If you look at the various pics of his Piet at: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/new_page_3.htm ...you can get a rough idea of where the cables exit the bottom of the fuselage. There are no good shots of the connection, although you can just barely see one of the connectors in this shot: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Bill%20Rewey/DSCF0024.JPG I believe if you look below where the headset cable meets the seat cushion you can just make out one of the connectors, to give an idea of where the cables attach in the cockpit. For an SASE and $2.00 you can get a page with drawings and information about exactly how he did it. This info also comes as part of his entire info packet for $20, which I think was definitely a good investment. His mailing address is: Bill Rewey 3339 Mound View Rd Verona, WI 53593 Hope that helps, Ryan On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Gene Hubbard wrote: > Think about the torque on the rudder spar. On 421GN, I ran the tailwheel > cables all the way from the rudder bar, but joining them somewhere aft with > a nicopress should also work. One problem is that with a "Y" connection, > there will be more side-to-side cable motion than with strictly fore-and-aft > motion. > > Gene Hubbard > NX421GN > San Diego > > TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > > > What is the best way to go here-have the extra cables going through the > fuselage fabric all the way back or use the horns on the rudder and a short > set of cables? < > > *I am ready to ask that same question. It appears that an extra control > horn on the rudder would add extra weight just where you don't want it but, > overall, an extra set of cables running all the way to the rudder bar would > weigh more. Is there a way to attach the steering cables to the rudder > cables about half way back (i.e. just aft or forward of the pulleys?)* > ** > *Tom Stinemetze* > *McPherson, KS* > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:08 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts The problem is, what kind of nut plates and how? At least on my airplane, the bolts come through the top longeron close to a diagonal and between the plywood gussets that attach the diagonal. I wish I could use those "wood nuts" for lack of a better term, but they have to be drilled oversized for the depth of the nut and I cannot get to the bottom to drill up, and if I drill from the top, the hole will be oversized. So, I get back to, what kind of nutplates and how are they attached? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts Thanks Jack, Of course the nut plates make the most sense. Why didn't I think of that? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:36 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts From: "Phillips, Jack" Gene, mine is a long fuselage and that might make a difference. I don't have any good pictures of the initial assembly, but after my forced landing I had to go in and repair the right lower longeron and I took this picture of the repair. By chance, it shows the nutplates under the top longerons. As I recall, I drilled the # 10 hole straight down through the stabilizer and the longeron, then installed the nutplate with epoxy and small brass screws to the bottom surface of the top longerons. It works well and sure is easier than trying to find the # 7 wood screws called out in the plans. One nice thing about using nutplates - it makes it easy to do rigging changes if the incidence of the tail needs to be changed. You can just remove the bolts and insert or remove washers as required to set the incidence where it needs to be. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts The problem is, what kind of nut plates and how? At least on my airplane, the bolts come through the top longeron close to a diagonal and between the plywood gussets that attach the diagonal. I wish I could use those "wood nuts" for lack of a better term, but they have to be drilled oversized for the depth of the nut and I cannot get to the bottom to drill up, and if I drill from the top, the hole will be oversized. So, I get back to, what kind of nutplates and how are they attached? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts Thanks Jack, Of course the nut plates make the most sense. Why didn't I think of that? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. _____ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here . title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:29 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts Thanks Jack! Mine is a short fuselage, and it is different back there (although I did not know it). Imagine your nutplate 3-4" further forward so that it is behind the gussets. I guess there is room for me to glue/screw that type of nutplate in. Like I said, if I had the access you do, I would have used the wood nut type that pushes into the hole. I still may do that and drill the hole oversized from the top, push the nut in the bottom, and put a bushing in the rest of the way. Gene ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:42 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rivets on gear Guys: For what it is worth, I just installed rivets on my landing gear (Jenny-style) as called for in the plans, rather than bolts. The 3/16" steel rivets were cheap, very easy to install, and worked great! Now I have no nuts/cotter pins to get in the way of the cable fitting, spreader bar ends, or shock cords. Just thought I would throw it out. If anyone else is interested, drop me a note. I might go ahead and use rivets on the tail fittings as well, I am really impressed with how it worked out. Gene ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:26 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rivets on gear Gene, What type of rivets are these, and where did you get them? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts From: "dwilson" The two sides are covered with poly-fiber or similar fabric system. This seems like a logical place for an inspection ring and cover. Be sure to paint the inspection hole covers when you paint the fabric so that it matches the fabric. You can then access the nuts through the inspection holes for assembly of the horizontal stabilizer, install the covers, and then tell everyone at Broadhead what the inspection holes are for.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1221#201221 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:05 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts From: "Phillips, Jack" Gene, are you putting the bolt through the leading edge of the stab or the spar? I put mine through the spar because there wasn't room to get a nutplate in through the leading edge. Is there room to backdrill for a T-Nut using a 90 degree angle drill? If not, your idea of drilling the hole oversize for the T-Nut and then bushing it is probably the best way to go. You could actually glue a dowel in the oversized hole and then drill it out to accept the bolt and lose no strength at all. Jack Phillips, PE Sr. Manager, Disposable Products Research & Development Cardinal Health Clinical Technologies & Services Creedmoor, NC (919) 528-5212 _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts Thanks Jack! Mine is a short fuselage, and it is different back there (although I did not know it). Imagine your nutplate 3-4" further forward so that it is behind the gussets. I guess there is room for me to glue/screw that type of nutplate in. Like I said, if I had the access you do, I would have used the wood nut type that pushes into the hole. I still may do that and drill the hole oversized from the top, push the nut in the bottom, and put a bushing in the rest of the way. Gene _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:12 AM PST US From: "Lloyd Smith" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts Just something to think about with the wood nuts (teenuts) like you're referring to. There is no locking feature built into them, so some alternative method of bolt saftying should be considered. On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > Thanks Jack! > > Mine is a short fuselage, and it is different back there (although I did > not know it). Imagine your nutplate 3-4" further forward so that it is > behind the gussets. I guess there is room for me to glue/screw that type of > nutplate in. Like I said, if I had the access you do, I would have used the > wood nut type that pushes into the hole. I still may do that and drill the > hole oversized from the top, push the nut in the bottom, and put a bushing > in the rest of the way. > > Gene > > * > > = > * > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:21 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts From: "Phillips, Jack" Good point, Lloyd. That was what drove me to use the nutplates. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd Smith Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts Just something to think about with the wood nuts (teenuts) like you're referring to. There is no locking feature built into them, so some alternative method of bolt saftying should be considered. On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: Thanks Jack! Mine is a short fuselage, and it is different back there (although I did not know it). Imagine your nutplate 3-4" further forward so that it is behind the gussets. I guess there is room for me to glue/screw that type of nutplate in. Like I said, if I had the access you do, I would have used the wood nut type that pushes into the hole. I still may do that and drill the hole oversized from the top, push the nut in the bottom, and put a bushing in the rest of the way. Gene _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:36 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: locking tee nuts Shows you what a country goober I am. I just took the tee nuts and gave the ends a slight crimp in the vise to make them semi-self-locking. A dab of Locktite (not the permanent stuff) might also do. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:43 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts Jack: No, I am drilling through the spar, it comes out where I say. I am, however, putting in the screws through the leading edge, I can see the need for it and the spacer block below the leading edge. I will probably use a T-nut as described. I am not sure a wooden dowel will add anything after drilling it back out as opposed to a bushing. Then again, I might just use a nut! (with a normal sized inspection ring on one side to get my hand in) Gene ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:29 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts if I use T-nuts, I will just safety the heads together Gene ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:05 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:39 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rivets on gear Dan: I just googled "steel rivets" and found several suppliers. I bought a 1 pound box for $5.35 + shipping from these guys: www.rjleahy.com/Store/rivets/trvr.htm I did have to buy a special rivet set for the old-fashioned round head rivet, but from another supplier because it was cheaper (still cost far more than the rivets) I would loan the set to anyone who needs it, though. Gene ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:54 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Access cover for rear stabilizer Here is what I have carved out for my access to rear hinges. The cut-out ov er laps and I think look pretty good. Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rear seat install From: "skellytown flyer" Dan/anyone-I like that seat with the insert.is there any place that sells them at an affordable price? I have been looking for something that would look right in a Piet and that is it for sure.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1317#201317 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:34 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: FW: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts Mike, I was glad to see that you did use drywall screws there.. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (11 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:55 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:43 PM PST US From: Marc Davis Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rear seat install Thanks for all the input on how your doing your rear seats. Has anyone made the turtle deck removable to allow access to the tail cone? Seems easy enough. Marc _________________________________________________________________ See what people are saying about Windows Live. 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