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1. 03:28 AM - Re: one-piece wing (Gene & Tammy)
2. 06:25 AM - Re: Front cockpit cover (Phillips, Jack)
3. 06:46 AM - one-piece wing (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 07:11 AM - Re: Elevator travel (Thomas Bernie)
5. 08:20 AM - Re: Gustav to visit Corky (Isablcorky@aol.com)
6. 09:48 AM - extra power ? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
7. 02:07 PM - Re: extra power ? (Jonathan Ragle)
8. 03:03 PM - Re: extra power ? (walt)
9. 03:03 PM - Re: extra power ? (walt)
10. 03:11 PM - Re: extra power ? (walt)
11. 03:29 PM - Re: extra power ? (Ryan Mueller)
12. 04:04 PM - Re: extra power ? (Lloyd Smith)
13. 05:33 PM - Re: Front cockpit cover (Gene & Tammy)
14. 05:39 PM - Re: extra power ? (Don Emch)
15. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: extra power ? (Lloyd Smith)
16. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: extra power ? (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
17. 07:18 PM - Re: Re: extra power ? (Kip and Beth Gardner)
18. 08:14 PM - Re: extra power ? (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
19. 08:34 PM - Re: Re: extra power ? (Jeff Boatright)
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| Subject: | Re: one-piece wing |
Air Camper N502R has a single piece wing. I found it fairly easy and simple
to remove and then replace the wing by myself.
It would probably take two to move the wing around if you were moving it
very far. I Just needed to lift the wing and did not transport it. Made
two padded slings and hung pulleys from the roof beams. Lifted the wing
off, moved the fuselage out from under it, then lowered the wing. Not sure
what I'd have had the other 3 helpers do while I was doing that.
Gene
>
>
> Air Camper NX41CC has the 3-piece wing setup with the Pietenpol plans 24"
> wide center section (not the 36" wide center section). I have had
> occasion to remove and reinstall the wings on 41CC and I can tell you two
> things about this:
>
>>
> 2. I cannot imagine handling a single-piece wing with fewer than four
> people or some very clever adjustable supports and jigs. It must be a
> very interesting operation for one person to handle, but we sent men to
> the moon using only slide-rules, pencil, paper, and protractors and the
> pulley is a marvellous invention that can be used by a clever builder to
> manage quite a bit on his or her own. If I were building a Piet from
> scratch I would not build the one-piece wing unless I were building in a
> hangar that I had all to myself, was retired from my job, and was not in a
> hurry.
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG.
> 7:07 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | Front cockpit cover |
Hi Gene,
I made my cockpit covers of "Sunbrella", a waterproof canvas sold at
most marine stores, as well as many fabric shops. I also bought a snap
grommet kit from West Marine and installed the snaps on the canvas and
the cockpit coaming. My wife sewed the covers of the Sunbrella and they
work very well. Here is a picture of the covers installed on my
Pietenpol at Brodhead a couple of years ago and at Dulles International
Airport this past June. My covers fit behind the windshields so there
is not much tendency to peel off in flight. They do a good job of
protecting the cockpits, although some rain still gets in, mostly around
the holes for the forward cabane struts. They have stood up to violent
thunderstorms at Oshkosh and at Dulles.
The covers work well and I can fly with the front cover installed (I did
just that leaving Brodhead this summer). I have a cabin heater in my
Piet (which does a good job of warming your right foot) and with the
front cockpit cover installed it helps at least keep your feet and legs
warm.
BTW, I was at MKL this past weekend, visitng Mom in the RV-4. Thought
about running over to Camden to see your Pietenpol, but wasn't sure
which airport you fly from.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Tammy
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 8:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front cockpit cover
Group. I'm starting to think about getting ready for winter flying and
I'm considering covering the front cockpit. Covering the front cockpit
will cut down on the cool air coming up my pant legs plus will make it
into a good cargo area. Wondering if anyone on the list has come up
with a good looking and secure covering. I don't wish to reinvent the
wheel and will steal a good idea in a heart beat. All ideas will be
greatly appreciated, even if ignored.
Gene
N502R
(Yes Oscar, some of us do need to wear more than a bathing suit while
flying)
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Gene;
What I found when installing the wings on my airplane was that it took at least
two people... one to wiggle and maneuver the wing to line up the attach fitting
bolt holes, and the other to insert the bolts and secure them. I guess you
could do it by yourself using pins or rods to line up the holes but the wiggling
is much easier if the wiggler is out at the wingtip where there is good leverage.
Corky advised me to attach and detach the wings sort of in unison or it could tip
over onto one wing, so after attaching both wings at the root attach fittings
in a "drooped" configuration, I then put a folding table under each wing just
past the strut attach points and then stacked boxes and pillows on the tables
to bring the wings more or less level but still allow them to move somewhat
(thus the pillows). From there it was a matter of installing the struts, then
the jury struts, then the control cables and pitot tubing, then tensioning the
x-bracing, and finally reinstalling the wing gap fittings after confirming
control travel free and correct and all fasteners in place and secured.
Removal and reinstallation is a heck of a lot easier after everything is rigged
and test-flown because then it's a matter of just replacing everything into its
original position and then a quick check of rig. It is still not a quick operation
though.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator travel |
http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/01-21-04.htm
Raymond,
I built the exactly to the plans. The geometry was such that full up
elevator travel was prevented by the walking beam pushrod (301-16)
contacting the aft end of the torque tube (301-06). I solved the
problem by lowering the elevator bell crank assembly about an inch.
Regards,
Tom Bernie
On Aug 26, 2008, at 10:00 AM, skellytown flyer wrote:
> >
>
> Well I have made a belcrank for my GN-1 according to plans dimension-
> but seems to be a little short in travel.I will need to get the
> length of the cables set better but right now I have what appears to
> be about 30 degrees of up and only about 10 down if that.I am
> wondering how much difference is needed to safely fly if the plane
> is in the G range.I expect more up than down but not sure how
> much.Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0654#200654
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gustav to visit Corky |
Oscar,
Thanks for at least thinking of Isabelle and me during these hazardous
times. All I can confess is, " the roar of the tiger was overshadowed by the meow
of the puddy cat.
Remember, as you touch down keep that stick HARD in your belly and don't
relax it until you turn your switch off.
Isabelle and Corky
Levi and Nathan also sends their regards
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Jonathan,
Are there any reasons why the 65hp Piet that you are potentially going
in halves with your Dad on isn't sufficient power for you ? You
mention
that you want to 'fly' more than anything so why not just get current,
get your tailwheel endorsement and 'fly' for a while as you're deciding
on what you might want to build or modify ? I'm just asking because
it seems there has been a renewed interest in the Piet by a number
of guys who really can't enjoy the plane without modifying it a whole
bunch and installing bigger engines. (nothing wrong with that, just
making an observation)
Mike C.
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Mike=2C
No problem whatsoever one up=2C but I would love to be able to take my GF u
p with me and not worry to much about shorter fields. No problem with 65HP
for fun factor=2C just safety.
Jonathan
Subject: Pietenpol-List: extra power ?Date: Tue=2C 2 Sep 2008 11:46:22 -050
0From: Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.govTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Jonathan=2C
Are there any reasons why the 65hp Piet that you are potentially going in h
alves with your Dad on isn't sufficient power for you ? You mention
that you want to 'fly' more than anything so why not just get current=2C ge
t your tailwheel endorsement and 'fly' for a while as you're deciding
on what you might want to build or modify ? I'm just asking because it
seems there has been a renewed interest in the Piet by a number
of guys who really can't enjoy the plane without modifying it a whole bunch
and installing bigger engines. (nothing wrong with that=2C just
making an observation)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: extra power ? |
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Ragle
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: extra power ?
Mike,
No problem whatsoever one up, but I would love to be able to take my
GF up with me and not worry to much about shorter fields. No problem
with 65HP for fun factor, just safety.
Jonathan
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: extra power ?
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:46:22 -0500
From: Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Jonathan,
Are there any reasons why the 65hp Piet that you are potentially going
in halves with your Dad on isn't sufficient power for you ? You
mention
that you want to 'fly' more than anything so why not just get current,
get your tailwheel endorsement and 'fly' for a while as you're deciding
on what you might want to build or modify ? I'm just asking
because it seems there has been a renewed interest in the Piet by a
number
of guys who really can't enjoy the plane without modifying it a whole
bunch and installing bigger engines. (nothing wrong with that, just
making an observation)
Mike C.
st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: extra power ? |
Mike,Mike,Mike,,,
You are so right on with your thinking.
Some day I have to shake your hand, and buy you a brewski.
"Probly" won't happen,,,but I can dream.
Ain't Life Grand
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: extra power ?
Jonathan,
Are there any reasons why the 65hp Piet that you are potentially going
in halves with your Dad on isn't sufficient power for you ? You
mention
that you want to 'fly' more than anything so why not just get current,
get your tailwheel endorsement and 'fly' for a while as you're deciding
on what you might want to build or modify ? I'm just asking
because it seems there has been a renewed interest in the Piet by a
number
of guys who really can't enjoy the plane without modifying it a whole
bunch and installing bigger engines. (nothing wrong with that, just
making an observation)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: extra power ? |
Jonathan,
If you build to the plans, an A-65 will take you anywhere you want to
go.
Did you see my "youtube" where I took me (210#) and a friend (190#) up
with a 65hp?
Not a problem.
Build light, and you will be good to go.
My runway is 2550ft.
PS What's a GF?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Ragle
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: extra power ?
Mike,
No problem whatsoever one up, but I would love to be able to take my
GF up with me and not worry to much about shorter fields. No problem
with 65HP for fun factor, just safety.
Jonathan
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: extra power ?
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:46:22 -0500
From: Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Jonathan,
Are there any reasons why the 65hp Piet that you are potentially going
in halves with your Dad on isn't sufficient power for you ? You
mention
that you want to 'fly' more than anything so why not just get current,
get your tailwheel endorsement and 'fly' for a while as you're deciding
on what you might want to build or modify ? I'm just asking
because it seems there has been a renewed interest in the Piet by a
number
of guys who really can't enjoy the plane without modifying it a whole
bunch and installing bigger engines. (nothing wrong with that, just
making an observation)
Mike C.
st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: extra power ? |
Jonathan,
When you say "shorter fields", what do you mean? Do you have airports/strips
you plan on flying out of that you know would be challenging for a Piet with
two people, or are you worrying about the nebulous short fields that you may
or may not encounter at some point in the future after you have built your
airplane? If the latter is the case, what do you consider a shorter field?
Also, what do you weigh and what does your girlfriend weigh?
Ryan
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> No problem whatsoever one up, but I would love to be able to take my GF up
> with me and not worry to much about shorter fields. No problem with 65HP
> for fun factor, just safety.
>
> Jonathan
>
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| Subject: | Re: extra power ? |
WHOA, Ryan! You never, ever ask that last question! :-)
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jonathan,
>
> When you say "shorter fields", what do you mean? Do you have
> airports/strips you plan on flying out of that you know would be challenging
> for a Piet with two people, or are you worrying about the nebulous short
> fields that you may or may not encounter at some point in the future after
> you have built your airplane? If the latter is the case, what do you
> consider a shorter field?
>
> Also, what do you weigh and what does your girlfriend weigh?
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> No problem whatsoever one up, but I would love to be able to take my GF up
>> with me and not worry to much about shorter fields. No problem with 65HP
>> for fun factor, just safety.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Front cockpit cover |
Jack those are great looking covers. That's what I'll probably do.
Wish you had stopped in. I do hanger and fly out of OM4 (Benton
County). This weekend I drove over and visited with Randy(Just East of
Jackson) and talked Piets. Flew a bit this morning but it was too
snotty to enjoy. Sure be glad when the cooler, clear weather returns.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:24 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Front cockpit cover
.
BTW, I was at MKL this past weekend, visitng Mom in the RV-4. Thought
about running over to Camden to see your Pietenpol, but wasn't sure
which airport you fly from.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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| Subject: | Re: extra power ? |
It's been said many times before, but "Simplicate and add Lightness". I've yet
to come across a Piet builder/pilot that said "well I didn't add this thing or
that thing, but i wish I would have"... come across quite a few that said "
I wish I wouldn't have added this or that, could've saved some weight". Lightness
is directly proportional to good handling and good climb. If one builds
lightly with an A-65 and dare I say, uses the Pietenpol airfoil, they will build
and airplane that performs really well. I hate to keep saying it but I weigh
about 180lbs and regularly fly my dad around at 225lbs. with full fuel and
have never felt nervous at all. My strip is about 2500' long. It has power lines
at one end and trees about 400' off the other end. Part of not feeling nervous
though is to always try to make good judgement calls. The Piet like any
small airplane is sensitive to temperature. If it's in the mid 90's I just
won't fly with someone like my dad. If it's a nice comfortable day though, look
out! I got the chance to fly an Aeronca K yesterday. I flew it solo and with
a passenger. It is a 1938 model. I really enjoyed it, lots of fun. But
I just gotta say... Mr. Pietenpol designed his plane several years before the
'K' and he sure did have his ducks in a row. Aeronca should have went to him
for advice! Uh-oh, any Aeronca K guys on here?!
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2213#202213
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| Subject: | Re: extra power ? |
You make several good points. The key is as Clint Eastwood used to say, ya
just have to know your limitations. I'm not sure where I'll be flying my
bird out of when I finish it, so that's still open to discussion. I'm 245#
of aviatin' fun that would like to take the missus for a ride sometime as
well. The way I figure it, with C-150's not being LSA eligible, O-200
engines will continue to be relatively inexpensive for some time. An O-200
without electrics will be just a bit more than a A or C model Continental
weight wise, and if I build the longer fuse as I think I will, that will be
welcome weight on the nose.
Back when I was building race cars, weight was a paramount issue. Our motto
was, less weight is equivalent to having more horsepower, not to mention
they handled a lot better as well. So saving weight is an important issue
with me. I figure if I can get by with no added weight to achieve a
reasonable CG and have the cabanes pretty much vertical with a nice 90-100
hp engine, well, I'll have a margin getting in and out of the grass strips
and fields the Piet was designed for. Just because the throtle has room to
move doesn't mean it has to go there, but if needed, it'll be there.
As for the weight, I told the wife, I've got to build something like 30
ribs. I just need to loose a pound for each rib and I'll be well on my way
to having a better flying airplane.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote:
>
> It's been said many times before, but "Simplicate and add Lightness". I've
> yet to come across a Piet builder/pilot that said "well I didn't add this
> thing or that thing, but i wish I would have"... come across quite a few
> that said " I wish I wouldn't have added this or that, could've saved some
> weight". Lightness is directly proportional to good handling and good
> climb. If one builds lightly with an A-65 and dare I say, uses the
> Pietenpol airfoil, they will build and airplane that performs really well.
> I hate to keep saying it but I weigh about 180lbs and regularly fly my dad
> around at 225lbs. with full fuel and have never felt nervous at all. My
> strip is about 2500' long. It has power lines at one end and trees about
> 400' off the other end. Part of not feeling nervous though is to always try
> to make good judgement calls. The Piet like any small airplane is sensitive
> to temperature. If it's in the mid 90's I just won't fly with someone like
> my dad. If it's a nice !
> comfortable day though, look out! I got the chance to fly an Aeronca K
> yesterday. I flew it solo and with a passenger. It is a 1938 model. I
> really enjoyed it, lots of fun. But I just gotta say... Mr. Pietenpol
> designed his plane several years before the 'K' and he sure did have his
> ducks in a row. Aeronca should have went to him for advice! Uh-oh, any
> Aeronca K guys on here?!
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2213#202213
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: extra power ? |
Speaking of less weight...I know this is contrary to our ideas of
aircraft/flying, but I was entertaining the idea (over a few beers) of closing
a
compartment of wing, and filling it with gas to make a "lighter" airframe. Not
lighter than air mind you, but make the plane believe it were a 100 pounds
lighter...OK maybe I'm still a bit intoxicated!
Boyce
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| Subject: | Re: extra power ? |
Boyce, you been talkin' to Corky?
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On Sep 2, 2008, at 9:36 PM, RAMPEYBOY@aol.com wrote:
> Speaking of less weight...I know this is contrary to our ideas
> of aircraft/flying, but I was entertaining the idea (over a few
> beers) of closing a compartment of wing, and filling it with gas to
> make a "lighter" airframe. Not lighter than air mind you, but make
> the plane believe it were a 100 pounds lighter...OK maybe I'm still
> a bit intoxicated!
> Boyce
>
>
> It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel
> deal here.
>
>
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Jonathan...
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Just in case you are out of options, let me tell you of my wonderful GF gif
t to me. When she told me to choose between her and my beloved Pietenpol...
...I kissed her and said honey....FIND THE EXIT SIGN AND HIT THE ROAD!
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I still send her birthday cards and Christmas cards with me sitting in my p
ietenpol goggles and all........
village idiot...
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Jonathan Ragle <jon95gt@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: extra power ?
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Mike,
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No problem whatsoever one up, but I would love to be able to take my GF up
with me and not worry to much about shorter fields.--No problem with 65
HP for fun factor, just safety.
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Jonathan
Subject: Pietenpol-List: extra power ?
From: Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov
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Jonathan,
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Are there any reasons why the 65hp Piet that you are potentially going in h
alves with your Dad on isn't sufficient power for you ?--- You mentio
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that you want to 'fly' more than anything so why not just get current, get
your tailwheel endorsement and 'fly' for a while as you're deciding
on what you might want to build or modify ?---- I'm just asking bec
ause it seems there has been a renewed interest in the Piet by a number
of guys who really can't enjoy the plane without modifying it a whole bunch
and installing bigger engines.-- (nothing wrong with that, just
making an observation)
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Hey! What was that POP? And now what's that hissing sound?
Ruh-Roh!
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> Speaking of less weight...I know this is contrary to our ideas
>of aircraft/flying, but I was entertaining the idea (over a few
>beers) of closing a compartment of wing, and filling it with gas to
>make a "lighter" airframe. Not lighter than air mind you, but make
>the plane believe it were a 100 pounds lighter...OK maybe I'm still
>a bit intoxicated!
>Boyce
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