---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/04/08: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:20 AM - Re: extra power ? (Clif Dawson) 2. 05:53 AM - wind generator (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 06:02 AM - Re: Pietenpol- extra power? () 4. 06:02 AM - Re: Pietenpol- extra power? () 5. 06:02 AM - Re: Pietenpol- extra power? () 6. 06:04 AM - Re: wind generator (Bill Church) 7. 06:21 AM - Re: Lights (outofthebox50@yahoo.com) 8. 06:32 AM - advantages of no electrics under Class B (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 9. 07:13 AM - Re: advantages of no electrics under Class B (Steve Ruse) 10. 07:49 AM - Re: advantages of no electrics under Class B (Jim Ash) 11. 08:10 AM - Re: Lights (Dick Navratil) 12. 08:43 AM - Re: advantages of no electrics under Class B (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 13. 11:06 AM - Re: Model A engine guru needed (Gene Rambo) 14. 12:56 PM - Walt E, group (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 15. 02:34 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol- extra power? (Jonathan Ragle) 16. 05:22 PM - Mid Eastern Regional Fly-in (shad bell) 17. 06:08 PM - Walt E, group (Oscar Zuniga) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:20:19 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: extra power ? I don't know about that Wasp but there was a Piet here flying about for years and years with a Shaky Jake on it. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: "charles loomis" Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:59 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: extra power ? > > So, my idea of beefing up the fuselage a little at the engine mounts and > mounting a Wasp Jr on the front is a bad Idea? Dang! I was looking at 3000 > ft a minute climb fully loaded, but on the down side, if I had an engine > failure, the glide path would be slightly worse than a Brick. Engine > torque could be an issue as well, but could prolly be cured with a rudder > trim tab(about 10 square feet should do.) Hmm, while I'm at it I better > beef up the landing gear and add a bit larger fuel tank, what if I fully > glass both wings, a set of wet wings should keep me in the air for a nice > cross county tour. > > Charley > > > --- On Wed, 9/3/08, walt wrote: > >> From: walt >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: extra power ? >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 8:10 AM >> Jonathan, >> If you build to the plans, an A-65 will take you anywhere >> you want to go. >> Did you see my "youtube" where I took me (210#) >> and a friend (190#) up with a 65hp? >> Not a problem. >> Build light, and you will be good to go. >> My runway is 2550ft. >> >> PS What's a GF? >> >> >> walt evans >> NX140DL >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jonathan Ragle >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 5:07 PM >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: extra power ? >> >> >> Mike, >> >> No problem whatsoever one up, but I would love to be able >> to take my GF up with me and not worry to much about shorter >> fields. No problem with 65HP for fun factor, just safety. >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: extra power ? >> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:46:22 -0500 >> From: Michael.D.Cuy@nasa.gov >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >> >> >> Jonathan, >> >> Are there any reasons why the 65hp Piet that you are >> potentially going in halves with your Dad on isn't >> sufficient power for you ? You mention >> that you want to 'fly' more than anything so why >> not just get current, get your tailwheel endorsement and >> 'fly' for a while as you're deciding >> on what you might want to build or modify ? I'm >> just asking because it seems there has been a renewed >> interest in the Piet by a number >> of guys who really can't enjoy the plane without >> modifying it a whole bunch and installing bigger engines. >> (nothing wrong with that, just >> making an observation) >> >> Mike C. >> >> >> >> >> st" >> target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Get thousands of games on your PC, your >> mobiT/go/108588800/direct/01/' >> target='_new'>Game with Windows > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 4:13 PM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:56 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: wind generator If y'all are dead-set on hanging stuff off your airplanes, I guess you could look at the wind gen that Great Plains markets. Here's the link: http://www.greatplainsas.com/gennipod1.pdf Four amps, two hundred fifty bucks. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:14 AM PST US From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol- extra power? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:00 AM PST US From: Jonathan Ragle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: extra power ? Walt=2C I'm just going off of what the fellow that is selling me the bird says=2C t hat it is not a very good airplane 2 up. Send me a link to the vid! I'm a bout 200lbs but I'm not normaly quite this "healthy". Just that I quit smo king several months ago and the munchies have been killing me. And a GF is something that grows to roughly 145lbs after you have lived wit h it for to long. Jonathan Jonathan, Perhpaps this Piet that you are looking at has a cruise prop on it instead of a climb prop? The wrong prop on any plane will make it sluggish, and with a passenger onboard on high density-altitude days it becomes even more of a problem. Check out what prop is on it before ruling out this plane... A simple prop change could make all the difference. Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL / Baker, LA ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:22 AM PST US From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol- extra power? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:00 AM PST US From: Jonathan Ragle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: extra power ? Walt=2C I'm just going off of what the fellow that is selling me the bird says=2C t hat it is not a very good airplane 2 up. Send me a link to the vid! I'm a bout 200lbs but I'm not normaly quite this "healthy". Just that I quit smo king several months ago and the munchies have been killing me. And a GF is something that grows to roughly 145lbs after you have lived wit h it for to long. Jonathan Jonathan, Perhpaps this Piet that you are looking at has a cruise prop on it instead of a climb prop? The wrong prop on any plane will make it sluggish, and with a passenger onboard on high density-altitude days it becomes even more of a problem. Check out what prop is on it before ruling out this plane... A simple prop change could make all the difference. Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL / Baker, LA ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:24 AM PST US From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol- extra power? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:00 AM PST US From: Jonathan Ragle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: extra power ? Walt=2C I'm just going off of what the fellow that is selling me the bird says=2C t hat it is not a very good airplane 2 up. Send me a link to the vid! I'm a bout 200lbs but I'm not normaly quite this "healthy". Just that I quit smo king several months ago and the munchies have been killing me. And a GF is something that grows to roughly 145lbs after you have lived wit h it for to long. Jonathan Jonathan, Perhpaps this Piet that you are looking at has a cruise prop on it instead of a climb prop? The wrong prop on any plane will make it sluggish, and with a passenger onboard on high density-altitude days it becomes even more of a problem. Check out what prop is on it before ruling out this plane... A simple prop change could make all the difference. Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL / Baker, LA ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:56 AM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wind generator Not to mention three pounds, and a real "antiquey" look. NOT. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wind generator --> Four amps, two hundred fifty bucks. Oscar Zuniga ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lights From: outofthebox50@yahoo.com Certified is the goal. I anticipate a lot of FAA hoops to jump through. The light requirement FARs are 23.1389 23.1391 23.1393 23.1395 23.1397 23.1401 I was able to find the requirements for wind generators, but nothing on years or charging system requirements for lights. All of our planes have engine driven charging systems, so were good. Thanks for the info on the article. I'll check it out. Jeremy in Dallas Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lights Cool - If you've gone this far are you going to run it throught some DO-160 stuff and get it certified, too? While we're here, it seems to me Jim Weir just wrote up an article in the last month or two of Kitplanes talking about a low-loss switching supply that might work for your purposes instead of just the basic current-limiting resistors. Didn't really read it yet. Chances are, that if you doodle with electronics it's a pretty simple design. Jim -----Original Message----- >From: outofthebox50@yahoo.com >Sent: Sep 3, 2008 9:44 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lights > > >Getting within the color spectrum coordinates is doable. The intensity and angles is also doable, but will take some work. My goal is to be able to make a set of legal lights and keep the whole thing under 1 amp at 12V. I got into this because our rotax powered Rans has really low source voltage while running two old school wing tip lights, two whelen strobes, radio, transponder, and GPS. Dad was going to buy a set of led lights from AS&S to the tune of $1000. I teach electronics at night and decided to convert his lights to the tune of $40. Now it has progressed to: I've drawn the circuit boards in cad, can have them printed for $6 ea, $5 for the LEDs in each light, retired military electronics engineer to do the soldering, and I meet with the plastic molders next Friday to iron out the price of the housings. Then a load of paperwork, jump through a bunch of FAA hoops, and baby they said I have to fly these lights for 150 hrs! When it comes to me making money she al ! > ways says ok! > > >Jeremy in Dallas > > >Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Ash > >Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:38:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00) >To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lights > > > >Watch this one closely; once upon a time, I was involved in a discussion of the FAA-acceptable frequencies of light acceptable for nav lights. IIRC the red-orange spectrum from the old-style GaAs led's didn't cut it. Lots more dopants and spectrums have hit the market since then, so make sure you've got this one nailed down before you get too deep into it. Power output and light-intensity per viewing angle might also be issues. > >Jim > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: outofthebox50@yahoo.com >>Sent: Sep 3, 2008 8:19 PM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lights >> >> >>Actually, I'm in the process of manufacturing a line of LED aircraft lights. I have a mass of most confusing FARs and FAA info on getting lights certified, at work. I'll try to post the numbers tomorow. The rules for experimentals are based on the year finished. The cut off for the latest year group starts in like 1976 or so. Everything after that requires wing tip lights, one red one green, a tail light, and a belly light. The tail can strobe. The tail and belly can strobe, or the wing tips can both strobe. And that's if I can remember it right. >> >>Jeremy in Dallas >> >>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: "Jack Phillips" >> >>Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:45:51 >>To: >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights >> >> >> >>I stand corrected. I just re-read the FARs and the only requirement I could >>find are the following: >> >>91.209 Aircraft Lights >> >>No person may: >> >>(a) During the period from sunset to sunrise... - >> >>(1) Operate an aircraft unless it has lighted position lights; or >>(b) Operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anti-collision light system >>unless it has lighted anti-collision lights. However the anti-collision >>lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that, >>because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to >>turn the lights off. >> >>And that is all that is said about it. Sounds to me like battery operated >>lights are OK. Still it might be good to check with your local DAR or FSDO. >> >>Jack Phillips >>NX899JP >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash >>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:31 PM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights >> >> >>Originally, Cubs optionally had basic running lights powered by a dry cell, >>although the systems were few and far between. I don't think there was >>anything more than that. Would that be grandfathered in, and if so, could >>this somehow be applied to a Piet to skip the alternator/generator >>requirement? >> >>Jim Ash >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Jack Phillips >>>Sent: Sep 3, 2008 6:47 PM >>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lights >>> >> >>> >>>The FAA requires that to fly after dark an airplane must have lights and a >>>method of generating electrical power in flight. Thus you've got to have a >>>battery and a generator or alternator. As someone else said, it's a lot of >>>weight to carry around for something you will use a couple of times a year. >>> >>>Jack Phillips >>>NX899JP >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >>>outofthebox50@yahoo.com >>>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:16 PM >>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lights >>> >>> >>>Is anyone running lights? I looked at several planes on west coast piet >>and >>>didn't see any. Granted many pc you live in places where night flying in >>an >>>open cockpit would be a little chilly. It would be quite an awesome >>feeling >>>to take a night flight in an open cockpit on warm Texas nights. Oscar >>>could guard against the folks sneaking across the border under cover of >>>darkness! >>> >>>We're not going to put lights on ours, but I would love to be able to fly >>it >>>at night. >>> >>>Jeremy in Dallas >>>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: advantages of no electrics under Class B From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" One thing to keep in mind is that you DON'T need a mode C transponder to fly under Class B (like I have here in Cleveland) airspace if you omit an electrical system. Champs, Cubs, Luscombes, and Piets w/out electrical can come and go under Class B without spending the $$$ on a Mode C transponder. I understand the guys like Jack Phillips who need the transponder due to the airports they frequent or are 'under' but otherwise but otherwise save the weight, save your money, and climb better, take more camping gear, less filling, tastes great. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:16 AM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: advantages of no electrics under Class B I agree. Further, the regs say that you can still fly UNDER B or C without a transponder if your plane wasn't certificated with an ENGINE DRIVEN electrical generator. So, having a wind-powered generator doesn't mean you have to have a transponder. I had my Piet based at Meacham field in Fort Worth for around a year, and flew it regularly. Meacham is class D, under DFW's class B, and only about 17 miles from DFW. On more than one occasion, I flew through someone's class D and they reported that they couldn't see me on radar. And our government pays billions for Stealth aircraft. :D Steve Ruse Norman, OK Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" : > (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" > > > One thing to keep in mind is that you DON'T need a mode C transponder to > fly > under Class B (like I have here in Cleveland) airspace if you omit an > electrical > system. Champs, Cubs, Luscombes, and Piets w/out electrical can come > and go under > Class B without spending the $$$ on a Mode C transponder. I understand > the guys > like Jack Phillips who need the transponder due to the airports they > frequent or > are 'under' but otherwise but otherwise save the weight, save your > money, and climb > better, take more camping gear, less filling, tastes great. > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:29 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: advantages of no electrics under Class B Orlando used to get cranky when you they saw you flying under their class B. Granted all was legal, but they didn't like it. It doesn't hurt to have their help for separation, if nothing else. As for the 'engine-driven' part, the regs also say 'doesn't have or never had'. So if someone (or you) had it, then took it out of your plane, you're still on the hook. Jim -----Original Message----- >From: Steve Ruse >Sent: Sep 4, 2008 10:12 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: advantages of no electrics under Class B > > >I agree. Further, the regs say that you can still fly UNDER B or C >without a transponder if your plane wasn't certificated with an ENGINE >DRIVEN electrical generator. So, having a wind-powered generator >doesn't mean you have to have a transponder. > >I had my Piet based at Meacham field in Fort Worth for around a year, >and flew it regularly. Meacham is class D, under DFW's class B, and >only about 17 miles from DFW. On more than one occasion, I flew >through someone's class D and they reported that they couldn't see me >on radar. And our government pays billions for Stealth aircraft. :D > >Steve Ruse >Norman, OK > >Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" : > >> (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" >> >> >> One thing to keep in mind is that you DON'T need a mode C transponder to >> fly >> under Class B (like I have here in Cleveland) airspace if you omit an >> electrical >> system. Champs, Cubs, Luscombes, and Piets w/out electrical can come >> and go under >> Class B without spending the $$$ on a Mode C transponder. I understand >> the guys >> like Jack Phillips who need the transponder due to the airports they >> frequent or >> are 'under' but otherwise but otherwise save the weight, save your >> money, and climb >> better, take more camping gear, less filling, tastes great. >> >> Mike C. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:31 AM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lights I have nav lights on my new Piet. I didn't certify for night. It's for safety on hazy days and allows me to fly for the 30 minutes after sunset. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lights > > Is anyone running lights? I looked at several planes on west coast piet > and didn't see any. Granted many pc you live in places where night flying > in an open cockpit would be a little chilly. It would be quite an awesome > feeling to take a night flight in an open cockpit on warm Texas nights. > Oscar could guard against the folks sneaking across the border under cover > of darkness! > > We're not going to put lights on ours, but I would love to be able to fly > it at night. > > Jeremy in Dallas > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:51 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: advantages of no electrics under Class B I wonder why they could not see you on their radar. Perhaps it is because you are so low. I used to skydive near Amarillo, Texas and the radar at Amarillo could pick up a skydiver in freefall and would track us if we opened high (10,000+ AGL) all the way to Buffalo Airport. Obvioulsy we did not have a transponder. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: advantages of no electrics under Class B > > Orlando used to get cranky when you they saw you flying under their class B. Granted all was legal, but they didn't like it. It doesn't > hurt to have their help for separation, if nothing else. > > As for the 'engine-driven' part, the regs also say 'doesn't have > or never had'. So if someone (or you) had it, then took it out of > your plane, you're still on the hook. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Steve Ruse < > >Sent: Sep 4, 2008 10:12 AM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: advantages of no electrics under Class B > > > > > >I agree. Further, the regs say that you can still fly UNDER B or C > >without a transponder if your plane wasn't certificated with an ENGINE > >DRIVEN electrical generator. So, having a wind-powered generator > >doesn't mean you have to have a transponder. > > > >I had my Piet based at Meacham field in Fort Worth for around a year, > >and flew it regularly. Meacham is class D, under DFW's class B, and > >only about 17 miles from DFW. On more than one occasion, I flew > >through someone's class D and they reported that they couldn't see me > >on radar. And our government pays billions for Stealth aircraft. :D > > > >Steve Ruse > >Norman, OK > > > >Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <: > > > >> (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" < > >> > >> > >> One thing to keep in mind is that you DON'T need a mode C transponder to > >> fly > >> under Class B (like I have here in Cleveland) airspace if you omit an > >> electrical > >> system. Champs, Cubs, Luscombes, and Piets w/out electrical can come > >> and go under > >> Class B without spending the $$$ on a Mode C transponder. I understand > >> the guys > >> like Jack Phillips who need the transponder due to the airports they > >> frequent or > >> are 'under' but otherwise but otherwise save the weight, save your > >> money, and climb > >> better, take more camping gear, less filling, tastes great. > >> > >> Mike C. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:33 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model A engine guru needed Would our resident Model A Ford engine experts please contact me offline with a phone number please. I have a number of questions to ask. Thanks, Gene ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Walt E, group From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Thank you very much for the good words Walt and you bet....it would be great to meet you and see your plane someday. I've experienced, along with many others on the list, how very cool it is to exchange ideas and posts on this list but then to meet others in person at Brodhead or elsewhere just connects all the dots really nicely. Doc and Dee Mosher have done us a great service by organizing some portions of the Brodhead fly-in and one is where you register and they provide you with nice name tag pins so as you circulate you can say 'hey Bill, I'm Mike from the list' We got to meet Chrissi and Randi this year which was very enjoyable along with many new faces. One F-16 pilot who is starting to build a Piet, another older gent who has been flying a Piet for years and had wise tips for others--just great to meet the rest of the group either one by one or a bunch all at once. We got to meet Santiago all the way from ARGENTINA !!!!!!!! Holy moly, that was amazing ! Dan Helsper giving rides in his Aeronca Sedan, Gary and Shad Bell making their first ever appearance and giving rides including one to Santiago--all fantastic to meet and see these folks first hand and doing what they are passionate about. I ramble.... Mike C. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:32 PM PST US From: Jonathan Ragle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol- extra power? Bill=2C This is possible. The plane isn't ruled out=2C in fact there is already a handshake on it. I sold some racecar parts and am waiting on a certified c heck=2C after which time I will be able to plunk down the funds and call it mine. :) I will get specs on the prop ASAP and post them up. Needless t o say I'm not to worried about cruise in a bird like this=2C but climb is v ery important. I have no idea why this hasn't entered my mind. Jonathan> Date: Thu=2C 4 Sep 2008 09:00:33 -0400> From: billmz@cox.net> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol- extr _______________________________ Message 2 _________________________________ ____> > > Time: 05:18:00 AM PST US> From: Jonathan Ragle > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: extra power ?> > > Walt=2C> I'm just go ing off of what the fellow that is selling me the bird says=2C t> hat it is not a very good airplane 2 up. Send me a link to the vid! I'm a> bout 20 0lbs but I'm not normaly quite this "healthy". Just that I quit smo> king s everal months ago and the munchies have been killing me. > > And a GF is so mething that grows to roughly 145lbs after you have lived wit> h it for to long.> > Jonathan> > > Jonathan=2C> > Perhpaps this Piet that you are looki ng at has a cruise prop on it instead of a climb prop? The wrong prop on an y plane will make it sluggish=2C and with a passenger onboard on high densi ty-altitude days it becomes even more of a problem. Check out what prop is on it before ruling out this plane... A simple prop change could make all t ====> > > _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together=97at home=2C work=2C or on the go. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:35 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mid Eastern Regional Fly-in Hello guys, is anyone going to go to the MERFI fly in at Urbana Ohio this w eekend?- We should be there on Sat if weather is good, and we get the pro p hub back on and oil changed tommorow.- Our parts came in today, so hope fully 3hrs of work and we'll be back in the air. - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:17 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Walt E, group Mike Cuy wrote- >I ramble.... Mike, we all have our problems and quirks. Some of us drink too much, some of us are a little too hasty to help young women into our cockpits, but I guess your problem is that you ramble? It could be worse... you could be a liar...er, fisherman ;o) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.