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2. 05:34 AM - Re: Control cable size (Dick Carden)
3. 12:51 PM - Re: Grega rib dwg (Tim Willis)
4. 01:11 PM - Re: Re: Control cable size (Tim Willis)
5. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: Control cable size (gcardinal)
6. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: Control cable size (walt)
7. 02:02 PM - Re: Re: Grega rib dwg (H RULE)
8. 02:27 PM - Control cable size (Oscar Zuniga)
9. 02:46 PM - Re: Control cable size (walt)
10. 03:19 PM - Subbie for a Piet?? (Michael Silvius)
11. 05:38 PM - Grega rib dwg (Oscar Zuniga)
12. 09:06 PM - Re: Control cable size (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
13. 09:52 PM - Re: wind generator (Marc Davis)
14. 11:49 PM - project (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Control cable size |
I've read of Pieters using 3/32 wire for control cables, and others using 1/8.
Is there a conventional wisdom for control cable size? Dick Carden
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| Subject: | Re: Grega rib dwg |
John, did you get what you need?
(Harvey, thanks.)
Tim in central TX-- do not archive
>Time: 10:47:43 AM PST US
>From: "John and Lori" <jonlor@btc-bci.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Old GN-1 old drawings
>Hello everyone,
> I am new to the list as well as building. Recently I purchased GN-1
>drawings that were thought to be complete. After their arrival, I found
>that pages 15 and 16 were missing. These contain one half of the full size wing
rib pattern. A fellow subscriber to the list has helped with page 15,but he
could not come up with page 16. I would like to complete thesedrawings with
a copy of an original page that includes the trailing edge; however, a full size
wing rib print for a GN-1 of any type for building would be appreciated.
My plans are dated July 20, 1987. The page 15 I received was not an exact match,
but was close enough to work.
>John Thompson
>Allegan, Michigan
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>Time: 01:40:58 PM PST US
>From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Old GN-1 old drawings
John,
I have a copy of page 16. It may not be to the same scale or fit with your page
15, since it is likely "a copy of a copy of a...." However, give me your physical
address and I will send you a copy, no charge. This is because the Gregas
no longer sell the stuff.
You can tape them together and smoothe the curves to fit. More importantly, you
can see whatever Grega was doing differently about spar distances and such.
Tim in central TX
do not archive
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>Time: 01:41:49 PM PST US
>From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Old GN-1 old drawings
>________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
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>Time: 01:48:04 PM PST US
>From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Old GN-1 old drawings
>Geeeze this pic has got to go through.It's the smallest I can make it.
>I've tried five times now to get this to you.
>Payment is one beer when I see you on the circuit in your GN-1 Aircamper.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control cable size |
You will get more informed answers, but for me a consideration is the vectore of
the loading. The rudder and elevator cables have either straight pulls or virtually
so. Thus 3/32" is fine, and so is S.S., in my mind.
However, the aileron cables wrap around several pulleys and turn 85, 90, and 180
degrees. While the loads are not heavy, you might want more strands for safety
reasons, and also make these cable galvanized.
I'd really like to hear exactly which cables (dia., strands, matls.) builders of
currently flying planes used for the aileron cables.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dick Carden <flywrite@verizon.net>
>Sent: Sep 6, 2008 7:33 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control cable size
>
>
>I've read of Pieters using 3/32 wire for control cables, and others using 1/8.
Is there a conventional wisdom for control cable size? Dick Carden
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control cable size |
On NX18235 all control cables are 3/32" 7X19 galvanized.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Willis" <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control cable size
> <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
> You will get more informed answers, but for me a consideration is the
> vectore of the loading. The rudder and elevator cables have either
> straight pulls or virtually so. Thus 3/32" is fine, and so is S.S., in my
> mind.
>
> However, the aileron cables wrap around several pulleys and turn 85, 90,
> and 180 degrees. While the loads are not heavy, you might want more
> strands for safety reasons, and also make these cable galvanized.
>
> I'd really like to hear exactly which cables (dia., strands, matls.)
> builders of currently flying planes used for the aileron cables.
> Tim in central TX
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Dick Carden <flywrite@verizon.net>
>>Sent: Sep 6, 2008 7:33 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control cable size
>>
>>
>>I've read of Pieters using 3/32 wire for control cables, and others using
>>1/8. Is there a conventional wisdom for control cable size? Dick Carden
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control cable size |
Dick,
My unofficial take on cable size is this...
Seems the new standards from the FAA is to use 1/8".
But folks have still used 3/32" with the argument that that is what is on
the plans, and that's what they used. I'm sure it's fine, but some get into
a disaggrement with the FAA inspector or DAR at inspection time.
To me it wasn't worth the chance, so I used 1/8" throughout for controls.
I've also heard strange stories about Stainless cable. Stainless is more
brittle than galvanized steel, and they say, tends to break strands more
often.
I'm not sure, so I used Galvanized.
As far as stranding.
For control cables, all must be 7x19, for flexibility to make the bends
around pullies.
The less flexible 7x7, and 1x19 can be used for drag wires in the wing, and
tail bracing, but for the small savings in price, it's nasty to bend
around the thimbles.
also, this hasn't been brought up in awhile,,,but you can get a free
Aircraft Spruce catalog here,,,
http://aircraftspruce.com/psorder.php
I've gotten many free catalogs over the years. And you'll spend hours of
great reading/ browsing/ dreaming.
A must read!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Carden" <flywrite@verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Control cable size
>
> I've read of Pieters using 3/32 wire for control cables, and others using
> 1/8. Is there a conventional wisdom for control cable size? Dick Carden
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Grega rib dwg |
I wish I could have gotten the scans to you but the matronics system wouldn
't let me send them;too large.You would have seen much clearer.=0A=0A=0A=0A
----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net
>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 3:
50:23 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Grega rib dwg=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-Li
st message posted by: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>=0A=0AJohn, d
id you get what you need?- =0A(Harvey, thanks.)=0ATim in central TX-- do
not archive=0A=0A>Time: 10:47:43 AM PST US=0A>From: "John and Lori" <jonlor
@btc-bci.com>=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Old GN-1 old drawings=0A>Hello ev
eryone,=0A>- - I am new to the list as well as building.- Recently I
purchased GN-1=0A>drawings that were thought to be complete.- After their
arrival, I found=0A>that pages 15 and 16 were missing.- These contain on
e half of the full size wing rib pattern.- A fellow subscriber to the lis
t has helped with page 15,but he could not come up with page 16.- I would
like to complete thesedrawings with a copy of an original page that includ
es the trailing edge; however, a full size wing rib print for a GN-1 of any
type for building would be appreciated.- My plans are dated July 20, 198
7.- The page 15 I received was not an exact match, but was close enough t
o work.- =0A>John Thompson=0A>Allegan, Michigan=0A_______________________
_________- Message 2- _____________________________________=0A>=0A>=0A>
Time: 01:40:58 PM PST US=0A>From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Old GN-1 old drawings=0AJohn,=0AI have a c
opy of page 16.- It may not be to the same scale or fit with your page 15
, since it is likely "a copy of a copy of a...."- However, give me your p
hysical address and I will send you a copy, no charge.- This is because t
he Gregas no longer sell the stuff.- =0AYou can tape them together and sm
oothe the curves to fit.- More importantly, you can see whatever Grega wa
s doing differently about spar distances and such.=0ATim in central TX=0Ado
not archive=0A________________________________- Message 3- ___________
__________________________=0A>Time: 01:41:49 PM PST US=0A>From: H RULE <har
vey.rule@rogers.com>=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Old GN-1 old drawings
=0A>________________________________- Message 4- ______________________
_______________=0A>=0A>Time: 01:48:04 PM PST US=0A>From: H RULE <harvey.rul
e@rogers.com>=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Old GN-1 old drawings=0A>Geee
ze this pic has got to go through.It's the smallest I can make it.=0A>I've
tried five times now to get this to you.=0A>Payment is one beer when I see
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| Subject: | Control cable size |
As posted here last week, all control cables on NX41CC are 3/32", 7x19 galvanized
cable. All recommendations that I've seen are to use stainless steel cable
for "standing rigging" only... nothing that flexes or runs through pulleys.
PS, I'm not sure who it was on the list who described "shadow chasing", but I did
some of that today. Flew the airplane in such a way that my shadow would come
right up behind and over moving vehicles on the ground. Pretty cool, and
it does take a bit of flying skill. Imagine the sensation of the people being
overtaken, and "Fear This!"
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Control cable size |
Oscar,
I've never tried that.
But once in awhile a plane shadows me, But you can't see it.
You look up but are blasted by the sun.
But still a cool experience.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control cable size
>
>
> As posted here last week, all control cables on NX41CC are 3/32", 7x19
> galvanized cable. All recommendations that I've seen are to use stainless
> steel cable for "standing rigging" only... nothing that flexes or runs
> through pulleys.
>
> PS, I'm not sure who it was on the list who described "shadow chasing",
> but I did some of that today. Flew the airplane in such a way that my
> shadow would come right up behind and over moving vehicles on the ground.
> Pretty cool, and it does take a bit of flying skill. Imagine the
> sensation of the people being overtaken, and "Fear This!"
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Subbie for a Piet?? |
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/EA-81-Subaru-Engine-with-matched-prop_W0QQitemZ220278332756QQihZ012QQcategoryZ26437QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Yes, I've offered to send John (aka, "JT") the plans page that he's missing. Pages
13-14-15-16 make up the full-size wing rib drawing including notes, alignment
index at the bottom, and a few key details and dimensions to make the rib
jig check dimensionally and geometrically even if the paper isn't quite exact.
My four pages are taped together to form the complete full-size wing rib outline
and I'm going to copy it on our engineering copier so it's one seamless "scroll"
and send it to JT on Monday.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Control cable size |
Come on Oscar! try not to lie to people who know you Or better yet people who know
how fast a Piet goes. You must have been flying over them in their neighborhoods
where they only go 30MPH
Everyone knows you could not have caught them on the highway : ]
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control cable size
>
>
> As posted here last week, all control cables on NX41CC are 3/32", 7x19 galvanized
cable. All recommendations that I've seen are to use
> stainless steel cable for "standing rigging" only... nothing that
> flexes or runs through pulleys.
>
> PS, I'm not sure who it was on the list who described "shadow
> chasing", but I did some of that today. Flew the airplane in such
> a way that my shadow would come right up behind and over moving
> vehicles on the ground. Pretty cool, and it does take a bit of
> flying skill. Imagine the sensation of the people being
> overtaken, and "Fear This!"
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
>
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The blades on that wind gen look a lot like the blades on a computer (muffi
n) fan.
Marc
> From: taildrags@hotmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: wind generator
> Date: Thu=2C 4 Sep 2008 07:53:25 -0500
>
>
>
>
> If y'all are dead-set on hanging stuff off your airplanes=2C I guess you
could look at the wind gen that Great Plains markets. Here's the link:
>
> http://www.greatplainsas.com/gennipod1.pdf
>
> Four amps=2C two hundred fifty bucks.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio=2C TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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I ran across this in a club newsletter I was checking out.
Possibly worth looking into for someone near this
location?
Clif
1932 Pietenpol Project for sale. $500 firm. Fuselage and plans. This
fuselage is 1'3" longer and 3" wider than a normal Pietenpol. This one
is the Extended version, set up for a Corvair motor. I have logs on
since it was first started to be built. Excellent work and
craftsmanship. Located Pawnee Rock, KS USA. Contact G. L. Zortman
Telephone: 785-342-3496 or gzortman@gmail.com
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