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1. 06:34 AM - Buz Baer's Piet (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
2. 07:16 AM - Drag-Anti Drag Wires (Jack T. Textor)
3. 07:44 AM - drag/anti drag tension (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
4. 07:47 AM - Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires (Phillips, Jack)
5. 08:06 AM - Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires (Isablcorky@aol.com)
6. 08:11 AM - Re: drag/anti drag tension (Jack T. Textor)
7. 08:22 AM - Re: drag/anti drag tension (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
8. 08:49 AM - Corvair serial number (skellytown flyer)
9. 09:04 AM - Re: Corvair serial number (Patrick Panzera)
10. 11:17 AM - Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires (Gene & Tammy)
11. 11:46 AM - Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires (Isablcorky@aol.com)
12. 11:49 AM - Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires (Isablcorky@aol.com)
13. 01:59 PM - Drag-Anti Drag Wires (Oscar Zuniga)
14. 02:05 PM - tuning to B flat (Oscar Zuniga)
15. 03:32 PM - Re: tuning to B flat (bike.mike@comcast.net)
16. 03:53 PM - Re: Buz Baer's Pietenpol, has anyone seen it? (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
17. 05:48 PM - Randy Bush's Piet makes front page (Gene & Tammy)
18. 06:08 PM - Re: Corvair serial number (skellytown flyer)
19. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: Corvair serial number (Patrick Panzera)
20. 06:37 PM - Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires (Jonathan Ragle)
21. 07:10 PM - Re: Randy Bush's Piet makes front page (Jack Phillips)
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The Piet was bought by Dick Schaflee up in north central Ks. Dick was at
Brodhead this year. Said he has it covered now. He occasionally watches
the list, perhaps h will respond. Leon Stefan Nickerson Ks.
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| Subject: | Drag-Anti Drag Wires |
Morning all,
This weekend I got all my wing hardware and cabling done. I've combed
the archives for an accurate tension for the wires, but the closest I
could find was a low twang. Any help on this would be great.
Thanks,
Jack
www.textors.com
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| Subject: | drag/anti drag tension |
Jack,
I tensioned mine using the same method of twanging as prescribed by my
local A&P and IA guys who work on old
airplanes all the time. They merely advised me to tension them
approximately the same key of G minor, just below
middle C. Actually they said make them tight and make them sound about
the same when you twang them.
No real rocket science needed here.
Mike C.
PS-- this goes for the tail brace cables as well when rigging. I
rigged my horizontal tail slowly so I would have no
twist and to keep them even, flat as I went and simply safety wired the
turnbuckles when they all twanged about
the same tension. You can waste alot of time using a tensioner (if you
can find one or borrow one....$$) but it
isn't necessary.
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| Subject: | Drag-Anti Drag Wires |
Hi Jack,
A nice "Thummmm..." is what you want. The main thing is to have each of
the wires produce pretty close to the same note, with the wing
trammelled and true.
You can measure the tension in the wires by using some kind of a force
gage to indicate the amount of force required top deflect the center of
each wire a certain distance, but that is probably overkill, and not
likely to be much better than just plunking them and listening for the
note.
Then you get to experience the joy of safety wiring the turnbuckles.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag Wires
Morning all,
This weekend I got all my wing hardware and cabling done. I've combed
the archives for an accurate tension for the wires, but the closest I
could find was a low twang. Any help on this would be great.
Thanks,
Jack
www.textors.com
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| Subject: | Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires |
I remember Nathan telling me he tensioned each wire to a B flat on 41CC.
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| Subject: | drag/anti drag tension |
Thanks Mike and Jack, sounds like safety wiring the turnbuckles if fun.
Guess I should do it before covering:-). Another question...Would you
say the drag-anti drag wires and strut cross bracing is tighter than the
tail group?
Thanks,
Jack
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| Subject: | drag/anti drag tension |
Jack,
I would say that my drag/anti-drag cables were tighter than my tail
group cables, yes.
Funny thing that if you twang the various X cables at Brodhead between
the wing struts you'll find not only are there a variety of
cable sizes being used but everyone uses different cable tension. I
made both the wing bay drag/anti-drag cables and the
cables between the wing struts fairly snug and tight and used 1/8"
diameter in both cases.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Corvair serial number |
I am in the middle of Kansas on a job-just got my registration packet in and wanted
to get the application sent off this week.but my engine is back home in Texas.does
a Corvair engine have an individual serial number and if so where is
it located? I may be able to get my neighbor to go by the shop and get it for
me.thanks for any help.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3201#203201
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| Subject: | Corvair serial number |
This might help:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/CorvAIRCRAFT/EngineID.htm
Pat
> I am in the middle of Kansas on a job-just got my registration packet in
> and wanted to get the application sent off this week.but my engine is back
> home in Texas.does a Corvair engine have an individual serial number and
> if so where is it located? I may be able to get my neighbor to go by the
> shop and get it for me.thanks for any help.Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires |
As I recall, Corky told me he tuned his by blowing into a moonshine jug
and matching the sound with each wire. Would that be a B flat jug??
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag Wires
I remember Nathan telling me he tensioned each wire to a B flat on
41CC.
Levi
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| Subject: | Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires |
Levi says B flat but Nathan swears it's A sharp and I wouldn't dare get
between those two.
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| Subject: | Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires |
Caution: When tensioning by sound (tuning) be sure you check the cable
lengths and tune each like length to the same pitch.
Nathan
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| Subject: | Drag-Anti Drag Wires |
Confession time. When it came time to re-rig the wings and tail surfaces on 41CC
after the rebuild, I used the "TLAR" method (that looks about right). Or,
in this case, the "TSAR" (that sounds about right) method. Less filling, tastes
great, and after three annual inspections by an A&P, nothing has been changed.
And since we're on the subject of the Tsar (Czar), I guess you know what they call
the children of the Czar? Yep... "czardines" ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | tuning to B flat |
It turns out that there is something other-worldly about B flat. See here, for
example:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7442915
So if black holes in space hum in B flat, I guess the Pietenpol somehow resonates
with the universe in a unique way, as long as the X-braces are properly tuned?
That would explain its longevity as a popular airplane. It might also explain
why the black monolith in "2001: A Space Odyssey" resembles a Piet wing
panel, or why a Piet flies so much like a stone monolith ;o) And when Dave asks
HAL to "open the pod bay door please, Hal", he should have realized that the
pod bay door (front cockpit) WAS open all it was ever going to be, and there
ain't no way you're climbing in while wearing a space suit!
Enough of that nonsense for now, I guess.
Do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: tuning to B flat |
B-flat, A-sharp; it's all the same to me.
I used to preflight my Aeronca Champ by strumming the tailplane wires to the "TSAR"
method. My musically inclined wife said we were tuning to A below middle
C (220 Hz). It may have actually been B-flat (musically inclined, but not particularly
good...ex wife). I discovered a cracked wire, BEFORE it broke in flight,
by hearing a "donk" instead of a "dong."
The length of the wire and its composition are going to affect the musical note
you hear when tensioning and tuning but when it's right, you'll know.
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>
> It turns out that there is something other-worldly about B flat. See here, for
> example:
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7442915
>
> So if black holes in space hum in B flat, I guess the Pietenpol somehow
> resonates with the universe in a unique way, as long as the X-braces are
> properly tuned? That would explain its longevity as a popular airplane. It
> might also explain why the black monolith in "2001: A Space Odyssey" resembles
a
> Piet wing panel, or why a Piet flies so much like a stone monolith ;o) And when
> Dave asks HAL to "open the pod bay door please, Hal", he should have realized
> that the pod bay door (front cockpit) WAS open all it was ever going to be, and
> there ain't no way you're climbing in while wearing a space suit!
>
> Enough of that nonsense for now, I guess.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Buz Baer's Pietenpol, has anyone seen it? |
Chuck Gantzer would be the one to ask about him, as Salina is not too far
from Wichita.
dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "charles loomis" <rameses32@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buz Baer's Pietenpol, has anyone seen it?
> Does anyone know what happened to this aircraft? This is the only
Pietenpol I have ever seen in person, and it would have been about the same
time this picture was taken. Unfortunately Buz passed away before he could
finish this aircraft and I always wondered what happened to it.
>
> Charley
>
>
> --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: project
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 2:16 PM
> > Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
> >
> > Oh well, maybe the buyer will be lucky enough to find us
> > here, just waiting for another poor innocent dude to
> > subvert. :-)
> >
> > Clif
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "skellytown flyer" <rhano@att.net>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:02 AM
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: project
> >
> >
> > "skellytown flyer" <rhano@att.net>
> > >
> > > I just e-mailed him on this as I am going right to
> > that area to work this
> > > week and thought I'd check it out.he replied that
> > he has sold it if I
> > > understood him right.Raymond
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3044#203044
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > 3:30 PM
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> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
>
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| Subject: | Randy Bush's Piet makes front page |
Just picked up a copy of the Jackson sun newspaper out of Jackson,
Tennessee. There on the FRONT PAGE is a story and photos of Randy and
his Piet.. Go to jacksonsun.com to read the story and view the
photos.
Outstanding job Randy. I'm really pleased you have received the
recognition you deserve. You make us all proud.
Gene
N502R
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair serial number |
thank you pat as I understand your reply and Oscar's e-mail, the engines do not
have a serial number as such but simply a case code.and I am just as well to
assign it a serial number of my choosing and stamp it on the case and move on
with the registration. i do appreciate you're taking the time to reply.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair serial number |
> thank you pat as I understand your reply and Oscar's e-mail, the engines
> do not have a serial number as such but simply a case code.
Raymond,
The website I pointed out is devoted to the case code as well as the head
codes and NOT the serial number or VIN.
Go back and check it out; it not only shows where specifically to find the
relevant numbers but also what the numbers signify.
The case code however is really only relevant in order to find out if the
engine is a long or short stroke. Everything else that one needs to know is
cast into the heads.
As an example, you can have a case code that says it's a 95 or 110, but
someone could have put 140 or even 180 heads on it well after it left the
factory so the case code doesn't tell the whole story.
Pat
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| Subject: | Drag-Anti Drag Wires |
I know that if emptied an entire jug of shine I would B Flat on my kiester.
From: zharvey@bellsouth.netTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Pie
tenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag WiresDate: Mon=2C 8 Sep 2008 13:16:19 -0500
As I recall=2C Corky told me he tuned his by blowing into a moonshine jug a
nd matching the sound with each wire. Would that be a B flat jug??
Gene
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Sent: Monday=2C September 08=2C 2008 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag Wires
I remember Nathan telling me he tensioned each wire to a B flat on 41CC.
Levi
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| Subject: | Randy Bush's Piet makes front page |
Way to go, Randy! When I was in Jackson last weekend, I talked with my old
flight instructor, Wimpy, who taught me to fly back in 1969. Turns out he
knows you. Small world!
I'm already starting to work on Karen about flying the Piet to Brodhead
again next year,so maybe we can finally fly together. We'll see - when I
first mentioned it she expressed considerable displeasure, since I had said
I needed to fly there this year because I wouldn't be able to in 2008.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
But born and raised in Jackson, Tennessee
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Randy Bush's Piet makes front page
Just picked up a copy of the Jackson sun newspaper out of Jackson,
Tennessee. There on the FRONT PAGE is a story and photos of Randy and his
Piet.. Go to jacksonsun.com to read the story and view the photos.
Outstanding job Randy. I'm really pleased you have received the recognition
you deserve. You make us all proud.
Gene
N502R
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