---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/08/08: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:34 AM - Buz Baer's Piet (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 2. 07:16 AM - Drag-Anti Drag Wires (Jack T. Textor) 3. 07:44 AM - drag/anti drag tension (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 4. 07:47 AM - Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires (Phillips, Jack) 5. 08:06 AM - Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires (Isablcorky@aol.com) 6. 08:11 AM - Re: drag/anti drag tension (Jack T. Textor) 7. 08:22 AM - Re: drag/anti drag tension (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 8. 08:49 AM - Corvair serial number (skellytown flyer) 9. 09:04 AM - Re: Corvair serial number (Patrick Panzera) 10. 11:17 AM - Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires (Gene & Tammy) 11. 11:46 AM - Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires (Isablcorky@aol.com) 12. 11:49 AM - Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires (Isablcorky@aol.com) 13. 01:59 PM - Drag-Anti Drag Wires (Oscar Zuniga) 14. 02:05 PM - tuning to B flat (Oscar Zuniga) 15. 03:32 PM - Re: tuning to B flat (bike.mike@comcast.net) 16. 03:53 PM - Re: Buz Baer's Pietenpol, has anyone seen it? (Dennis Engelkenjohn) 17. 05:48 PM - Randy Bush's Piet makes front page (Gene & Tammy) 18. 06:08 PM - Re: Corvair serial number (skellytown flyer) 19. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: Corvair serial number (Patrick Panzera) 20. 06:37 PM - Re: Drag-Anti Drag Wires (Jonathan Ragle) 21. 07:10 PM - Re: Randy Bush's Piet makes front page (Jack Phillips) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:48 AM PST US From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buz Baer's Piet The Piet was bought by Dick Schaflee up in north central Ks. Dick was at Brodhead this year. Said he has it covered now. He occasionally watches the list, perhaps h will respond. Leon Stefan Nickerson Ks. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag Wires From: "Jack T. Textor" Morning all, This weekend I got all my wing hardware and cabling done. I've combed the archives for an accurate tension for the wires, but the closest I could find was a low twang. Any help on this would be great. Thanks, Jack www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: drag/anti drag tension From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Jack, I tensioned mine using the same method of twanging as prescribed by my local A&P and IA guys who work on old airplanes all the time. They merely advised me to tension them approximately the same key of G minor, just below middle C. Actually they said make them tight and make them sound about the same when you twang them. No real rocket science needed here. Mike C. PS-- this goes for the tail brace cables as well when rigging. I rigged my horizontal tail slowly so I would have no twist and to keep them even, flat as I went and simply safety wired the turnbuckles when they all twanged about the same tension. You can waste alot of time using a tensioner (if you can find one or borrow one....$$) but it isn't necessary. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:58 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag Wires From: "Phillips, Jack" Hi Jack, A nice "Thummmm..." is what you want. The main thing is to have each of the wires produce pretty close to the same note, with the wing trammelled and true. You can measure the tension in the wires by using some kind of a force gage to indicate the amount of force required top deflect the center of each wire a certain distance, but that is probably overkill, and not likely to be much better than just plunking them and listening for the note. Then you get to experience the joy of safety wiring the turnbuckles. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack T. Textor Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag Wires Morning all, This weekend I got all my wing hardware and cabling done. I've combed the archives for an accurate tension for the wires, but the closest I could find was a low twang. Any help on this would be great. Thanks, Jack www.textors.com _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:57 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag Wires I remember Nathan telling me he tensioned each wire to a B flat on 41CC. Levi **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:30 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: drag/anti drag tension From: "Jack T. Textor" Thanks Mike and Jack, sounds like safety wiring the turnbuckles if fun. Guess I should do it before covering:-). Another question...Would you say the drag-anti drag wires and strut cross bracing is tighter than the tail group? Thanks, Jack ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:30 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: drag/anti drag tension From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Jack, I would say that my drag/anti-drag cables were tighter than my tail group cables, yes. Funny thing that if you twang the various X cables at Brodhead between the wing struts you'll find not only are there a variety of cable sizes being used but everyone uses different cable tension. I made both the wing bay drag/anti-drag cables and the cables between the wing struts fairly snug and tight and used 1/8" diameter in both cases. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair serial number From: "skellytown flyer" I am in the middle of Kansas on a job-just got my registration packet in and wanted to get the application sent off this week.but my engine is back home in Texas.does a Corvair engine have an individual serial number and if so where is it located? I may be able to get my neighbor to go by the shop and get it for me.thanks for any help.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3201#203201 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:40 AM PST US From: "Patrick Panzera" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair serial number This might help: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/CorvAIRCRAFT/EngineID.htm Pat > I am in the middle of Kansas on a job-just got my registration packet in > and wanted to get the application sent off this week.but my engine is back > home in Texas.does a Corvair engine have an individual serial number and > if so where is it located? I may be able to get my neighbor to go by the > shop and get it for me.thanks for any help.Raymond ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:24 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag Wires As I recall, Corky told me he tuned his by blowing into a moonshine jug and matching the sound with each wire. Would that be a B flat jug?? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag Wires I remember Nathan telling me he tensioned each wire to a B flat on 41CC. Levi ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 9/5/2008 1:24 PM ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:45 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag Wires Levi says B flat but Nathan swears it's A sharp and I wouldn't dare get between those two. Do not archive **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:23 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag Wires Caution: When tensioning by sound (tuning) be sure you check the cable lengths and tune each like length to the same pitch. Nathan **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:22 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag Wires Confession time. When it came time to re-rig the wings and tail surfaces on 41CC after the rebuild, I used the "TLAR" method (that looks about right). Or, in this case, the "TSAR" (that sounds about right) method. Less filling, tastes great, and after three annual inspections by an A&P, nothing has been changed. And since we're on the subject of the Tsar (Czar), I guess you know what they call the children of the Czar? Yep... "czardines" ;o) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:59 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: tuning to B flat It turns out that there is something other-worldly about B flat. See here, for example: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7442915 So if black holes in space hum in B flat, I guess the Pietenpol somehow resonates with the universe in a unique way, as long as the X-braces are properly tuned? That would explain its longevity as a popular airplane. It might also explain why the black monolith in "2001: A Space Odyssey" resembles a Piet wing panel, or why a Piet flies so much like a stone monolith ;o) And when Dave asks HAL to "open the pod bay door please, Hal", he should have realized that the pod bay door (front cockpit) WAS open all it was ever going to be, and there ain't no way you're climbing in while wearing a space suit! Enough of that nonsense for now, I guess. Do not archive Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:51 PM PST US From: bike.mike@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tuning to B flat B-flat, A-sharp; it's all the same to me. I used to preflight my Aeronca Champ by strumming the tailplane wires to the "TSAR" method. My musically inclined wife said we were tuning to A below middle C (220 Hz). It may have actually been B-flat (musically inclined, but not particularly good...ex wife). I discovered a cracked wire, BEFORE it broke in flight, by hearing a "donk" instead of a "dong." The length of the wire and its composition are going to affect the musical note you hear when tensioning and tuning but when it's right, you'll know. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Oscar Zuniga > > > It turns out that there is something other-worldly about B flat. See here, for > example: > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7442915 > > So if black holes in space hum in B flat, I guess the Pietenpol somehow > resonates with the universe in a unique way, as long as the X-braces are > properly tuned? That would explain its longevity as a popular airplane. It > might also explain why the black monolith in "2001: A Space Odyssey" resembles a > Piet wing panel, or why a Piet flies so much like a stone monolith ;o) And when > Dave asks HAL to "open the pod bay door please, Hal", he should have realized > that the pod bay door (front cockpit) WAS open all it was ever going to be, and > there ain't no way you're climbing in while wearing a space suit! > > Enough of that nonsense for now, I guess. > > Do not archive > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:26 PM PST US From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Buz Baer's Pietenpol, has anyone seen it? Chuck Gantzer would be the one to ask about him, as Salina is not too far from Wichita. dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "charles loomis" Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:38 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buz Baer's Pietenpol, has anyone seen it? > Does anyone know what happened to this aircraft? This is the only Pietenpol I have ever seen in person, and it would have been about the same time this picture was taken. Unfortunately Buz passed away before he could finish this aircraft and I always wondered what happened to it. > > Charley > > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Clif Dawson wrote: > > > From: Clif Dawson > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: project > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 2:16 PM > > Dawson" > > > > Oh well, maybe the buyer will be lucky enough to find us > > here, just waiting for another poor innocent dude to > > subvert. :-) > > > > Clif > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "skellytown flyer" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:02 AM > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: project > > > > > > "skellytown flyer" > > > > > > I just e-mailed him on this as I am going right to > > that area to work this > > > week and thought I'd check it out.he replied that > > he has sold it if I > > > understood him right.Raymond > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3044#203044 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > 3:30 PM > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:29 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Randy Bush's Piet makes front page Just picked up a copy of the Jackson sun newspaper out of Jackson, Tennessee. There on the FRONT PAGE is a story and photos of Randy and his Piet.. Go to jacksonsun.com to read the story and view the photos. Outstanding job Randy. I'm really pleased you have received the recognition you deserve. You make us all proud. Gene N502R ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair serial number From: "skellytown flyer" thank you pat as I understand your reply and Oscar's e-mail, the engines do not have a serial number as such but simply a case code.and I am just as well to assign it a serial number of my choosing and stamp it on the case and move on with the registration. i do appreciate you're taking the time to reply.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3297#203297 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:59 PM PST US From: "Patrick Panzera" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair serial number > thank you pat as I understand your reply and Oscar's e-mail, the engines > do not have a serial number as such but simply a case code. Raymond, The website I pointed out is devoted to the case code as well as the head codes and NOT the serial number or VIN. Go back and check it out; it not only shows where specifically to find the relevant numbers but also what the numbers signify. The case code however is really only relevant in order to find out if the engine is a long or short stroke. Everything else that one needs to know is cast into the heads. As an example, you can have a case code that says it's a 95 or 110, but someone could have put 140 or even 180 heads on it well after it left the factory so the case code doesn't tell the whole story. Pat ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:41 PM PST US From: Jonathan Ragle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag Wires I know that if emptied an entire jug of shine I would B Flat on my kiester. From: zharvey@bellsouth.netTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Pie tenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag WiresDate: Mon=2C 8 Sep 2008 13:16:19 -0500 As I recall=2C Corky told me he tuned his by blowing into a moonshine jug a nd matching the sound with each wire. Would that be a B flat jug?? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com Sent: Monday=2C September 08=2C 2008 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Drag-Anti Drag Wires I remember Nathan telling me he tensioned each wire to a B flat on 41CC. Levi Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog=2C plus the la test fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c 9/5/2008 1:24 PM _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn =9310 hidden secrets=94 from Jamie .. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:12 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Randy Bush's Piet makes front page Way to go, Randy! When I was in Jackson last weekend, I talked with my old flight instructor, Wimpy, who taught me to fly back in 1969. Turns out he knows you. Small world! I'm already starting to work on Karen about flying the Piet to Brodhead again next year,so maybe we can finally fly together. We'll see - when I first mentioned it she expressed considerable displeasure, since I had said I needed to fly there this year because I wouldn't be able to in 2008. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC But born and raised in Jackson, Tennessee _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Randy Bush's Piet makes front page Just picked up a copy of the Jackson sun newspaper out of Jackson, Tennessee. There on the FRONT PAGE is a story and photos of Randy and his Piet.. Go to jacksonsun.com to read the story and view the photos. Outstanding job Randy. I'm really pleased you have received the recognition you deserve. You make us all proud. 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