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1. 03:53 AM - Re: Jack....Next year to Brodhead (HelsperSew@aol.com)
2. 09:46 AM - Re: Motorcycle master links (Dick Carden)
3. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: Motorcycle master links (Steve Eldredge)
4. 10:21 AM - Fw: Re: Re: Motorcycle links (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
5. 10:26 AM - Re: Re: Motorcycle master links (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
6. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: Motorcycle master links (Jack T. Textor)
7. 11:29 AM - Re: Access cover for rear stabilizer (womenfly2)
8. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: Access cover for rear stabilizer (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
9. 02:02 PM - Re: Re: Motorcycle master links (Bill Church)
10. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Motorcycle master links (Steve Eldredge)
11. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: Motorcycle master links (charles loomis)
12. 04:14 PM - Re: Re: Motorcycle master links (charles loomis)
13. 08:05 PM - Kurt Shipman's Piet (Ryan Mueller)
14. 08:20 PM - Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet (Ryan Mueller)
15. 08:57 PM - New Piet pics (Ryan Mueller)
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| Subject: | Re: Jack....Next year to Brodhead |
Jack,
I'm sure you will be able to think of something to convince her. A year is a
long time. If you can figure out how to get all that stuff in your center
section, you can do this. :)
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Motorcycle master links |
Some time ago (I don't know just when) a Piet builder (I don't know who) posted
two photographs showing how he used motorcycle master links in lieu of clevises.
I'd like to do the same, but my search of the internet has yielded only master
links with snap fasteners and not links drilled for use with cotter pins.
I'd appreciate it if whoever posted those photos would let me know where I can
buy cotter pin master links, and what size he used. Many thanks, Dick Carden
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| Subject: | Re: Motorcycle master links |
I used master links in my aileron idler connection. I simply assembled them normally,
including the spring clip, then wrapped safety wire around the center.
The center being the hour-glass 'waist' between the two pins...
Steve E.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Carden
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links
Some time ago (I don't know just when) a Piet builder (I don't know who) posted
two photographs showing how he used motorcycle master links in lieu of clevises.
I'd like to do the same, but my search of the internet has yielded only master
links with snap fasteners and not links drilled for use with cotter pins.
I'd appreciate it if whoever posted those photos would let me know where I can
buy cotter pin master links, and what size he used. Many thanks, Dick Carden
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| Subject: | Re: Motorcycle links |
I believe this is the link....
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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--- On Thu, 8/21/08, Richard Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Richard Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links
Jack and Dick:
Attached are a few photos of how I used drive chain links to replace
clevises. The chain size is a number 50. Get a length of #50 roller link
chain, 2 feet should be enough. Grind the pins off and then drive the pins
out with a punch. The inner link, with the rollers, are scrap, you just use
the outer links. Wherever you normally would use a clevis, replace with the
chain links. As you can see form the photos, you use a clevis pin and
cotter pin to hold the assembly together, with a washer under the cotter
pin. You may need to use additional washers to space things out. The clevis
pins for a #50 chain are AN393 at whatever length you need. I think most of
mine where 13's and 17's.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
> [Original Message]
> From: Dick Carden <flywrite@verizon.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/21/2008 11:25:27 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links
>
<flywrite@verizon.net>
>
> I'm a bit confused about what motorcycle links to use, and how to use
them. Does anyone have photos of how motorcycle links are used? If so, I'd
appreciate directions to a site. Thanks, Dick Carden
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Motorcycle master links |
photos..Steve..photos....
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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--- On Tue, 9/9/08, Steve Eldredge <steve@byu.edu> wrote:
From: Steve Eldredge <steve@byu.edu>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links
I used master links in my aileron idler connection. I simply assembled them
normally, including the spring clip, then wrapped safety wire around the ce
nter.
The center being the hour-glass 'waist' between the two pins...
Steve E.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Carden
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links
<flywrite@verizon.net>
Some time ago (I don't know just when) a Piet builder (I don't know
who) posted two photographs showing how he used motorcycle master links in
lieu
of clevises. I'd like to do the same, but my search of the internet has
yielded only master links with snap fasteners and not links drilled for use
with
cotter pins. I'd appreciate it if whoever posted those photos would let me
know where I can buy cotter pin master links, and what size he used. Many
thanks, Dick Carden
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| Subject: | Re: Motorcycle master links |
Dick,
I bought some used motorcycle 520 size chain for $10.00, a chain breaker
on eBay for $15.00. I thought was easier to use the breaker than
grinding down the links to pop the outside links off. I Will plan to
take some pictures tonight if that would help you.
Jack
www.textors.com
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| Subject: | Re: Access cover for rear stabilizer |
One could have used a simple lightweight nut plate. No need to cut an access hole
then with all the hardware. Little weight at the tail means a lot of weight
at the nose.
WF2
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3426#203426
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| Subject: | Re: Access cover for rear stabilizer |
I guess one could agree. So how much weight could I have saved from using a
nut plate verses what I did? Not seeing the logic?
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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--- On Tue, 9/9/08, womenfly2 <keriannprice@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: womenfly2 <keriannprice@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Access cover for rear stabilizer
<keriannprice@hotmail.com>
One could have used a simple lightweight nut plate. No need to cut an acces
s
hole then with all the hardware. Little weight at the tail means a lot of w
eight
at the nose.
WF2
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3426#203426
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| Subject: | Re: Motorcycle master links |
Dick,
I don't think there is such a thing as a cotter pin master link. But there
are drilled AN393 clevis pins. You will need to determine the length you
need, based on the application you have.
Get some #50 roller chain (this chain has pins that are on 5/8" centers) ,
and disassemble the chain into little bits. The only part you will want is
the flat outer links (these are about 0.08" thick). These links have holes
that are 0.20" diameter. The clevis pins are 0.19" diameter, which will
result in a nice loose (non-binding) fit. Then get some #10 flat washers and
some 1/16" cotter pins, and put them together as shown in the attached
image.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Motorcycle master links |
Yes, that would make it easier. I no longer have the plane. I'll do some
digging.....
Steve e
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:24 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links
photos..Steve..photos....
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
--- On Tue, 9/9/08, Steve Eldredge <steve@byu.edu> wrote:
From: Steve Eldredge <steve@byu.edu>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links
I used master links in my aileron idler connection. I simply assembled them
normally, including the spring clip, then wrapped safety wire around the ce
nter.
The center being the hour-glass 'waist' between the two pins...
Steve E.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Carden
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links
<flywrite@verizon.net>
Some time ago (I don't know just when) a Piet builder (I don't know
who) posted two photographs showing how he used motorcycle master links in
lieu
of clevises. I'd like to do the same, but my search of the internet has
yielded only master links with snap fasteners and not links drilled for use
with
cotter pins. I'd appreciate it if whoever posted those photos would let me
know where I can buy cotter pin master links, and what size he used. Many
thanks, Dick Carden
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| Subject: | Re: Motorcycle master links |
Actually there are, go to a farm machinery dealer, I can't tell you what type of
machinery, but I do know they exist. Also check out some Half links, I bet there
are some uses them as well.
--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
> From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 6:59 AM
> Dick,
>
> I don't think there is such a thing as a cotter pin
> master link. But there
> are drilled AN393 clevis pins. You will need to determine
> the length you
> need, based on the application you have.
> Get some #50 roller chain (this chain has pins that are on
> 5/8" centers) ,
> and disassemble the chain into little bits. The only part
> you will want is
> the flat outer links (these are about 0.08" thick).
> These links have holes
> that are 0.20" diameter. The clevis pins are
> 0.19" diameter, which will
> result in a nice loose (non-binding) fit. Then get some #10
> flat washers and
> some 1/16" cotter pins, and put them together as shown
> in the attached
> image.
>
> Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Motorcycle master links |
But I would rather use AN393 clevis pins for that "It's just a bit of turbulance,
no big deal" feeling, as compared to the "Oh crap, turbulance" feeling you
might get using the alternative.
CHarley
--- On Wed, 9/10/08, charles loomis <rameses32@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: charles loomis <rameses32@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 8:49 AM
> <rameses32@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Actually there are, go to a farm machinery dealer, I
> can't tell you what type of machinery, but I do know
> they exist. Also check out some Half links, I bet there are
> some uses them as well.
>
> --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Bill Church
> <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master
> links
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 6:59 AM
> > Dick,
> >
> > I don't think there is such a thing as a cotter
> pin
> > master link. But there
> > are drilled AN393 clevis pins. You will need to
> determine
> > the length you
> > need, based on the application you have.
> > Get some #50 roller chain (this chain has pins that
> are on
> > 5/8" centers) ,
> > and disassemble the chain into little bits. The only
> part
> > you will want is
> > the flat outer links (these are about 0.08"
> thick).
> > These links have holes
> > that are 0.20" diameter. The clevis pins are
> > 0.19" diameter, which will
> > result in a nice loose (non-binding) fit. Then get
> some #10
> > flat washers and
> > some 1/16" cotter pins, and put them together as
> shown
> > in the attached
> > image.
> >
> > Bill C.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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| Subject: | Kurt Shipman's Piet |
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| Subject: | Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet |
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Well, I guess Matronics doesn't care for my attachments. Ah well. I uploaded
four pics of Kurt Shipman's newly completed Pietenpol to Flickr. You can see
those at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/
I sent off many more pics to Chris Tracy, so they should be up on
Westcoastpiet sometime in the near future. Have a good night,
Ryan
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