---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/09/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:53 AM - Re: Jack....Next year to Brodhead (HelsperSew@aol.com) 2. 09:46 AM - Re: Motorcycle master links (Dick Carden) 3. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: Motorcycle master links (Steve Eldredge) 4. 10:21 AM - Fw: Re: Re: Motorcycle links (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 5. 10:26 AM - Re: Re: Motorcycle master links (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 6. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: Motorcycle master links (Jack T. Textor) 7. 11:29 AM - Re: Access cover for rear stabilizer (womenfly2) 8. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: Access cover for rear stabilizer (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 9. 02:02 PM - Re: Re: Motorcycle master links (Bill Church) 10. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Motorcycle master links (Steve Eldredge) 11. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: Motorcycle master links (charles loomis) 12. 04:14 PM - Re: Re: Motorcycle master links (charles loomis) 13. 08:05 PM - Kurt Shipman's Piet (Ryan Mueller) 14. 08:20 PM - Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet (Ryan Mueller) 15. 08:57 PM - New Piet pics (Ryan Mueller) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:38 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jack....Next year to Brodhead Jack, I'm sure you will be able to think of something to convince her. A year is a long time. If you can figure out how to get all that stuff in your center section, you can do this. :) Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. do not archive **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:46 AM PST US From: Dick Carden Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links Some time ago (I don't know just when) a Piet builder (I don't know who) posted two photographs showing how he used motorcycle master links in lieu of clevises. I'd like to do the same, but my search of the internet has yielded only master links with snap fasteners and not links drilled for use with cotter pins. I'd appreciate it if whoever posted those photos would let me know where I can buy cotter pin master links, and what size he used. Many thanks, Dick Carden ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:32 AM PST US From: Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links I used master links in my aileron idler connection. I simply assembled them normally, including the spring clip, then wrapped safety wire around the center. The center being the hour-glass 'waist' between the two pins... Steve E. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Carden Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links Some time ago (I don't know just when) a Piet builder (I don't know who) posted two photographs showing how he used motorcycle master links in lieu of clevises. I'd like to do the same, but my search of the internet has yielded only master links with snap fasteners and not links drilled for use with cotter pins. I'd appreciate it if whoever posted those photos would let me know where I can buy cotter pin master links, and what size he used. Many thanks, Dick Carden ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:41 AM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Fw: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links I believe this is the link.... Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Richard Schreiber wrote: From: Richard Schreiber Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links Jack and Dick: Attached are a few photos of how I used drive chain links to replace clevises. The chain size is a number 50. Get a length of #50 roller link chain, 2 feet should be enough. Grind the pins off and then drive the pins out with a punch. The inner link, with the rollers, are scrap, you just use the outer links. Wherever you normally would use a clevis, replace with the chain links. As you can see form the photos, you use a clevis pin and cotter pin to hold the assembly together, with a washer under the cotter pin. You may need to use additional washers to space things out. The clevis pins for a #50 chain are AN393 at whatever length you need. I think most of mine where 13's and 17's. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN > [Original Message] > From: Dick Carden > To: > Date: 8/21/2008 11:25:27 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links > > > I'm a bit confused about what motorcycle links to use, and how to use them. Does anyone have photos of how motorcycle links are used? If so, I'd appreciate directions to a site. Thanks, Dick Carden > > =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:35 AM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links photos..Steve..photos.... Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Steve Eldredge wrote: From: Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links I used master links in my aileron idler connection. I simply assembled them normally, including the spring clip, then wrapped safety wire around the ce nter. The center being the hour-glass 'waist' between the two pins... Steve E. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Carden Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links Some time ago (I don't know just when) a Piet builder (I don't know who) posted two photographs showing how he used motorcycle master links in lieu of clevises. I'd like to do the same, but my search of the internet has yielded only master links with snap fasteners and not links drilled for use with cotter pins. I'd appreciate it if whoever posted those photos would let me know where I can buy cotter pin master links, and what size he used. Many thanks, Dick Carden =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:36 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links From: "Jack T. Textor" Dick, I bought some used motorcycle 520 size chain for $10.00, a chain breaker on eBay for $15.00. I thought was easier to use the breaker than grinding down the links to pop the outside links off. I Will plan to take some pictures tonight if that would help you. Jack www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:29:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Access cover for rear stabilizer From: "womenfly2" One could have used a simple lightweight nut plate. No need to cut an access hole then with all the hardware. Little weight at the tail means a lot of weight at the nose. WF2 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3426#203426 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:03 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Access cover for rear stabilizer I guess one could agree. So how much weight could I have saved from using a nut plate verses what I did? Not seeing the logic? Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - --- On Tue, 9/9/08, womenfly2 wrote: From: womenfly2 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Access cover for rear stabilizer One could have used a simple lightweight nut plate. No need to cut an acces s hole then with all the hardware. Little weight at the tail means a lot of w eight at the nose. WF2 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3426#203426 =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:59 PM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links Dick, I don't think there is such a thing as a cotter pin master link. But there are drilled AN393 clevis pins. You will need to determine the length you need, based on the application you have. Get some #50 roller chain (this chain has pins that are on 5/8" centers) , and disassemble the chain into little bits. The only part you will want is the flat outer links (these are about 0.08" thick). These links have holes that are 0.20" diameter. The clevis pins are 0.19" diameter, which will result in a nice loose (non-binding) fit. Then get some #10 flat washers and some 1/16" cotter pins, and put them together as shown in the attached image. Bill C. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:43 PM PST US From: Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links Yes, that would make it easier. I no longer have the plane. I'll do some digging..... Steve e From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:24 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links photos..Steve..photos.... Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Steve Eldredge wrote: From: Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links I used master links in my aileron idler connection. I simply assembled them normally, including the spring clip, then wrapped safety wire around the ce nter. The center being the hour-glass 'waist' between the two pins... Steve E. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Carden Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links Some time ago (I don't know just when) a Piet builder (I don't know who) posted two photographs showing how he used motorcycle master links in lieu of clevises. I'd like to do the same, but my search of the internet has yielded only master links with snap fasteners and not links drilled for use with cotter pins. I'd appreciate it if whoever posted those photos would let me know where I can buy cotter pin master links, and what size he used. 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Also check out some Half links, I bet there are some uses them as well. --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Bill Church wrote: > From: Bill Church > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 6:59 AM > Dick, > > I don't think there is such a thing as a cotter pin > master link. But there > are drilled AN393 clevis pins. You will need to determine > the length you > need, based on the application you have. > Get some #50 roller chain (this chain has pins that are on > 5/8" centers) , > and disassemble the chain into little bits. The only part > you will want is > the flat outer links (these are about 0.08" thick). > These links have holes > that are 0.20" diameter. The clevis pins are > 0.19" diameter, which will > result in a nice loose (non-binding) fit. Then get some #10 > flat washers and > some 1/16" cotter pins, and put them together as shown > in the attached > image. > > Bill C. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:03 PM PST US From: charles loomis Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links But I would rather use AN393 clevis pins for that "It's just a bit of turbulance, no big deal" feeling, as compared to the "Oh crap, turbulance" feeling you might get using the alternative. CHarley --- On Wed, 9/10/08, charles loomis wrote: > From: charles loomis > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 8:49 AM > > > > Actually there are, go to a farm machinery dealer, I > can't tell you what type of machinery, but I do know > they exist. Also check out some Half links, I bet there are > some uses them as well. > > --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Bill Church > wrote: > > > From: Bill Church > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master > links > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 6:59 AM > > Dick, > > > > I don't think there is such a thing as a cotter > pin > > master link. But there > > are drilled AN393 clevis pins. You will need to > determine > > the length you > > need, based on the application you have. > > Get some #50 roller chain (this chain has pins that > are on > > 5/8" centers) , > > and disassemble the chain into little bits. The only > part > > you will want is > > the flat outer links (these are about 0.08" > thick). > > These links have holes > > that are 0.20" diameter. The clevis pins are > > 0.19" diameter, which will > > result in a nice loose (non-binding) fit. Then get > some #10 > > flat washers and > > some 1/16" cotter pins, and put them together as > shown > > in the attached > > image. > > > > Bill C. > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:01 PM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kurt Shipman's Piet ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:29 PM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:39 PM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Piet pics Well, I guess Matronics doesn't care for my attachments. Ah well. I uploaded four pics of Kurt Shipman's newly completed Pietenpol to Flickr. You can see those at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/ I sent off many more pics to Chris Tracy, so they should be up on Westcoastpiet sometime in the near future. 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