---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/10/08: 37 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:35 AM - Clevis pins vs. clevis bolts (HelsperSew@aol.com) 2. 04:27 AM - Re: Clevis pins vs. clevis bolts (gcardinal) 3. 04:34 AM - Re: Clevis pins vs. clevis bolts (Phillips, Jack) 4. 05:36 AM - Brodhead 2009 (Lawrence Williams) 5. 05:42 AM - Kurt Shipman's Piet (Oscar Zuniga) 6. 05:46 AM - Re: Brodhead 2009 (Phillips, Jack) 7. 06:40 AM - Re: New Piet pics (Jonathan Ragle) 8. 07:02 AM - Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet (Ryan Mueller) 9. 07:28 AM - Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet (TOM STINEMETZE) 10. 07:49 AM - Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet (Ryan Mueller) 11. 08:04 AM - Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet (TOM STINEMETZE) 12. 08:21 AM - Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet (HelsperSew@aol.com) 13. 08:33 AM - Corvair Cowls (Gary Boothe) 14. 08:55 AM - Re: Brodhead 2009 (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 15. 08:57 AM - Spar on 3 piece wing plan (Michael Perez) 16. 08:58 AM - newspaper article (RBush96589@aol.com) 17. 09:04 AM - Re: Corvair Cowls (TOM STINEMETZE) 18. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: Motorcycle master links (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 19. 09:36 AM - Re: Corvair Cowls (Gary Boothe) 20. 09:59 AM - Re: Brodhead 2009 (Barry Davis) 21. 10:13 AM - Re: Brodhead 2009 (Gene Rambo) 22. 10:32 AM - Re: Brodhead 2009 (Steve Eldredge) 23. 11:06 AM - Re: Brodhead 2009 (Jack T. Textor) 24. 11:16 AM - Re: Spar on 3 piece wing plan (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 25. 11:18 AM - Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 26. 11:23 AM - Re: Brodhead 2009 (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 27. 11:34 AM - Re: Spar on 3 piece wing plan (Jack T. Textor) 28. 11:55 AM - Re: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ? (Gene Rambo) 29. 12:48 PM - Re: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 30. 01:15 PM - Re: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ? (Gene Rambo) 31. 02:20 PM - Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet (Ryan Mueller) 32. 02:27 PM - Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet (Ryan Mueller) 33. 02:38 PM - Re: Kurt Shipman's Piet (TOM STINEMETZE) 34. 03:09 PM - Re: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ? (Steve Eldredge) 35. 03:32 PM - Re: Brodhead 2009 (jimd) 36. 06:20 PM - Re: Brodhead 2009 (gcardinal) 37. 06:41 PM - Re: Brodhead 2009 (airlion@bellsouth.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:17 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Clevis pins vs. clevis bolts Hi all, I am hooking up all my control cables and primarily using clevis pins with cotter pins for safety. Looking at those connections bothers me a little bit. All that is between me and disaster is one little teenie weeny cotter pin. It especially bothers me when the configuration is horizontal and not vertical, so I don't even have the piece of mind of having gravity help me hold that pin in there. Anybody done any different? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:22 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clevis pins vs. clevis bolts On NX18235 all hinge pins and cable assemblies at the tail and ailerons are secured with a clevis pin / washer / cotter pin. Cable terminations inside the cockpit are secured with a bolt / castle nut / cotter pin assembly. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: HelsperSew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Clevis pins vs. clevis bolts Hi all, I am hooking up all my control cables and primarily using clevis pins with cotter pins for safety. Looking at those connections bothers me a little bit. All that is between me and disaster is one little teenie weeny cotter pin. It especially bothers me when the configuration is horizontal and not vertical, so I don't even have the piece of mind of having gravity help me hold that pin in there. Anybody done any different? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:50 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Clevis pins vs. clevis bolts From: "Phillips, Jack" Put a thin washer (AN960-10L) on the clevis pin before inserting the cotter pin to keep rotation of the clevis from abrading the cotter pin. If you wish, you can always replace all cotter pins during your annual condition inspection. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Clevis pins vs. clevis bolts Hi all, I am hooking up all my control cables and primarily using clevis pins with cotter pins for safety. Looking at those connections bothers me a little bit. All that is between me and disaster is one little teenie weeny cotter pin. It especially bothers me when the configuration is horizontal and not vertical, so I don't even have the piece of mind of having gravity help me hold that pin in there. Anybody done any different? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. _____ Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com . _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:41 AM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009 Speaking of 2009..that's the 80th birthday of the Pietenpol Air Camper!!! H as there been any talk about a special celebration at B'head? How about ano ther mass fly-in to OSH?? - I know Bill Rewey was instrumental in getting the 70th bash a reality and n ow that we have Doc Mosher in our camp maybe he could lend his skills and n etworking abilities to further the cause. - Something special should happen for such a special airplane. - Larry Williams=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:12 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kurt Shipman's Piet Wow, Ryan- Kurt's airplane is a beauty! What a clean, simple cockpit. Is he in test-flight phase, or-? And where are he and the airplane located? Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:16 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009 From: "Phillips, Jack" Maybe Doc Mosher could pull a few strings at EAA headquarters and get permission for a mass fly-in of Pietenpols into OSH to land at Pioneer Airport and be on display there. If we can do that, I'll try to fly my Pietenpol to Brodhead again next year. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Williams Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:35 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009 Speaking of 2009..that's the 80th birthday of the Pietenpol Air Camper!!! Has there been any talk about a special celebration at B'head? How about another mass fly-in to OSH?? I know Bill Rewey was instrumental in getting the 70th bash a reality and now that we have Doc Mosher in our camp maybe he could lend his skills and networking abilities to further the cause. Something special should happen for such a special airplane. Larry Williams _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:08 AM PST US From: Jonathan Ragle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Piet pics Wow. You never expect one to look so finished. Definately not the norm. The wood is rediculous. Nice. ol-list@matronics.comSubject: Pietenpol-List: New Piet pics Well=2C I guess Matronics doesn't care for my attachments. Ah well. I uploa ded four pics of Kurt Shipman's newly completed Pietenpol to Flickr. You ca n see those at:http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/I sent off many more pics to Chris Tracy=2C so they should be up on Westcoastpiet sometime in t he near future. Have a good night=2CRyan _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Windows Live. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:45 AM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kurt Shipman's Piet I don't really have much more info on Kurt or his Piet, unfortunately. Kurt used to flight instruct at Poplar Grove Airport a number of years ago, and I believe he's flying for a regional airline now. William Wynne introduced him along with the other Corvair Piet flyers at Brodhead this year, and that was the first time I had seen him since then (or heard that he had built a Piet). I believe he lives in Rockton, IL, which is about 25 miles from Brodhead. I have no idea where he is keeping his Piet. I would assume he is still flying off his 40 hrs, since he had 30 on the tach. Unfortunately we never did run into him while we were at the airport, so I can't fill in the details. Ryan On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > Wow, Ryan- Kurt's airplane is a beauty! What a clean, simple cockpit. Is > he in test-flight phase, or-? And where are he and the airplane located? > > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:25 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kurt Shipman's Piet >Wow, Ryan- Kurt's airplane is a beauty! > I agree that Kurt's plane is a beauty. That's one of the cleanest Corvair cowls that I have seen yet. Does anyone know if the Corvair valve cover has to be exposed in order to be adequately cooled? It appears that properly installed fences inside the cowl would force air through the cylinders but leave the entire head outside of the internal airflow. Has anyone tried a second, internal passage to cool the head but leave it entirely inside the cowl? Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:43 AM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kurt Shipman's Piet ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:13 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kurt Shipman's Piet Sorry Ryan, your last message came in blank screen. Tom Stinemetze >>> "Ryan Mueller" 9/10/2008 9:49 AM >>> ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:19 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kurt Shipman's Piet I know Kurt was building it at Poplar Grove because I talked to him. I would assume it is still based there. He had it over at "Grassroots" fly-in (MAAC, Midwest Antique Airplane Club, over the weekend at Brodhead. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:37 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowls Tom, The Corvair can certainly be fully enclosed by cowling as in the 601's and KR's. On the other extreme is the Corvair powered Piet that William Wynn owned. You can see it at www.westcoastpiet.com . Many, including myself, try to keep the nose as slender as possible for an 'older' look. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (11 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:24 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kurt Shipman's Piet >Wow, Ryan- Kurt's airplane is a beauty! > I agree that Kurt's plane is a beauty. That's one of the cleanest Corvair cowls that I have seen yet. Does anyone know if the Corvair valve cover has to be exposed in order to be adequately cooled? It appears that properly installed fences inside the cowl would force air through the cylinders but leave the entire head outside of the internal airflow. Has anyone tried a second, internal passage to cool the head but leave it entirely inside the cowl? Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:48 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009 From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Both Doc Mosher and Bill Rewey have good connections at EAA headquarters but as others have said, Bill Rewey is not do e-mail or computers. I'm sure both of those guys would be in our camp on this issue for an 80th Anniversary Gathering of Pietenpols at Oshkosh. Personally I'm all about it. Count me in. Mike C. in Ohio ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:02 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar on 3 piece wing plan Hello list people, what is!? - The 3 piece wing print I have shows the spar with routed sections. Is this for both front and rear spars? Are they saying you can route both? I only s ee one spar shown so I guess both are the exact same. Trying to get my head around this...solid front, routed, routed rear...not sure. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:14 AM PST US From: RBush96589@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: newspaper article hey Gene and Jack, thanks for the congrats. on the jackson sun article. and yes Jack I know Wimpy, he did some work on our 150 and also does all the annuals on a friends 150 that flies off the same strip that I use.he is a good guy. keep working on your wife for next years Brodhead trip. Randy Bush do not archive **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:19 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowls >>> "Gary Boothe" 9/10/2008 10:31 AM >>> >>>Many, including myself, try to keep the nose as slender as possible for an older look.>>> Gary: True but others, like myself, want a newer look so that observers don't see how old the pilot is. Tom Stinemetze do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:58 AM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links Up here in god's fly over cold country....Fleet Farm has every kind of chai n and chain links if you have one of these stores close by. Orders anyone? Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - --- On Tue, 9/9/08, charles loomis wrote: From: charles loomis Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links Actually there are, go to a farm machinery dealer, I can't tell you what type of machinery, but I do know they exist. Also check out some Half links , I bet there are some uses them as well. --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Bill Church wrote: > From: Bill Church > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle master links > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 6:59 AM > Dick, > > I don't think there is such a thing as a cotter pin > master link. But there > are drilled AN393 clevis pins. You will need to determine > the length you > need, based on the application you have. > Get some #50 roller chain (this chain has pins that are on > 5/8" centers) , > and disassemble the chain into little bits. The only part > you will want is > the flat outer links (these are about 0.08" thick). > These links have holes > that are 0.20" diameter. The clevis pins are > 0.19" diameter, which will > result in a nice loose (non-binding) fit. Then get some #10 > flat washers and > some 1/16" cotter pins, and put them together as shown > in the attached > image. > > Bill C. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:58 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowls I recommend leather helmet, dark goggles, silk scarf.that will be my trick! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (11 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Cowls >>> "Gary Boothe" 9/10/2008 10:31 AM >>> >>>Many, including myself, try to keep the nose as slender as possible for an 'older' look.>>> Gary: True but others, like myself, want a newer look so that observers don't see how old the pilot is. Tom Stinemetze do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:13 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009 We are desperately trying to get the 6 - Big Piets ready to fly up to Brodhead 09. Our goal was to hit the anniversary. We are in the covering wings stage. Sounds like a party to me! Barry Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Williams To: Pietlist Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:35 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009 Speaking of 2009..that's the 80th birthday of the Pietenpol Air Camper!!! Has there been any talk about a special celebration at B'head? How about another mass fly-in to OSH?? I know Bill Rewey was instrumental in getting the 70th bash a reality and now that we have Doc Mosher in our camp maybe he could lend his skills and networking abilities to further the cause. Something special should happen for such a special airplane. 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Watch for the twin "E"'s Steve E From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009 I'm trying my best to make it!!! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009 We are desperately trying to get the 6 - Big Piets ready to fly up to Brodh ead 09. Our goal was to hit the anniversary. We are in the covering wings s tage. Sounds like a party to me! Barry Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Williams Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:35 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009 Speaking of 2009..that's the 80th birthday of the Pietenpol Air Camper!!! H as there been any talk about a special celebration at B'head? How about ano ther mass fly-in to OSH?? 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Textor" Boy, I sure wish mine was going to be ready, but I will be there in spirit. Maybe the 85th! Jack www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:07 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar on 3 piece wing plan From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Mike, I would simply use whatever configuration spars you have decided on for your wing panels as for what you use in your center section. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ? From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" So Steve does that mean that The Green Hornet has been (or is being) rebuilt to fly again ? Excellent ! Good to hear you're going to try to make it as well as Gene R. and the Gaggle from Georgia. No slacking until you get your planes signed off and time flown off:) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:00 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009 If I work really hard, fast, diligently and without delays for divorce, I think I could make the 85th with ya Jack! John In a message dated 9/10/2008 2:08:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jtextor@thepalmergroup.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack T. Textor" Boy, I sure wish mine was going to be ready, but I will be there in spirit. Maybe the 85th! Jack www.textors.com **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:20 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar on 3 piece wing plan From: "Jack T. Textor" Mike, The 3 piece is shown as =BE inch which should not be routed. Mine were built up 1" so I used 1" material for the center section. Jack www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:05 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ? Mike, are you volunteering to come and help one weekend? That would help make sure I get finished in time. Gene So Steve does that mean that The Green Hornet has been (or is being) rebuilt to fly again ? Excellent ! Good to hear you're going to try to make it as well as Gene R. and the Gaggle from Georgia. No slacking until you get your planes signed off and time flown off:) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:10 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ? From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Gene, You never showed up to help when I was building so you're on your own fella:) Mike C. (you can do it !) ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:02 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ? Nice! You never asked . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:47 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ? Gene, You never showed up to help when I was building so you're on your own fella:) Mike C. (you can do it !) http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:48 PM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kurt Shipman's Piet Sorry about that Tom. I tried to attach one pic, and it didn't even want to let that through. Strange....anywho, here is the text: I don't believe the exposed valve covers are related to cooling. The valve cover itself does not provide any cooling. According to William Wynne most of the heat is shed through the cylinder heads, and the rest via the cylinders. I think the exposed valve covers are just a function of having the cowling be the same width as the fuselage. The fuselage is 24" wide, and Corvair is somewhere around 28" wide, so you have a couple inches sticking out on either side. Even though the valve covers are exposed, there is still baffling on the engine to direct the airflow through the heads and cylinders. You could completely enclose the engine, it will just make the cowling more...bulbous, shall we say. Gary and Shad Bell's Piet has a similar cowling: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmueller23/2846066861/ Ryan On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:03 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > *Sorry Ryan, your last message came in blank screen.* > ** > *Tom Stinemetze* > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:41 PM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kurt Shipman's Piet Dan, Thanks for the info. Grassroots is where we saw his Piet, but we didn't run into him. Unfortunately we did not run into you either, but we did see you depart in your Sedan. Have a good one, Ryan do not archive On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:20 AM, wrote: > I know Kurt was building it at Poplar Grove because I talked to him. I > would assume it is still based there. He had it over at "Grassroots" fly-in > (MAAC, Midwest Antique Airplane Club, over the weekend at Brodhead. > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:41 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kurt Shipman's Piet >>> "Ryan Mueller" 9/10/2008 4:20 PM >>> >>>Sorry about that Tom. I tried to attach one pic, and it didn't even want to let that through. Strange....anywho, here is the text:<<< Ryan: Thanks for that link. If there's anything that really makes one Piet stand out from another it has to be the shape of the cowling. At the moment I haven't the faintest idea what mine is going to look like but I will bet you that I don't like the first one. Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS do not archive ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:37 PM PST US From: Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ? Yep. Work has started on the repairs! I had a sobering package show up on my doorstep a week ago... it was the fuselage and rudder skins of my piet . It was sorta painful, sorta great kinda feeling. Andrew is rebuilding t he fuselage and our goal is to meet up somewhere and fly back together and enjoy Brodhead with both planes. I've toyed with the idea of building anot her piet, just for the occasion, but I just have too many projects ahead of another piet. I've always wanted to see if I could build one is less tha n a year. One great thing to report: Latex is very durable and I'd paint with it again. In real world testing the fabric held up very well. Even after being rolled up tightly in the ma iling tube, the 12 year old fabric didn't crack when I unrolled it. This fabric and coatings had nearly 400 hours of flight time and 2 years in the elements before I got a hangar. It also suffered through one significant r epair. It still looks great and had lots of life left. Best regards, Stevee From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Comeback kid, Steve E 10 years later ? So Steve does that mean that The Green Hornet has been (or is being) rebuil t to fly again ? Excellent ! Good to hear you're going to try to make it as well as Gene R. and the Gagg le from Georgia. No slacking until you get your planes signed off and time flown off:) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 2009 From: "jimd" [quote="bed(at)mindspring.com"]We are desperately trying to get the 6 - Big Piets ready to fly up to Brodhead 09. Our goal was to hit the anniversary. We are in the covering wings stage. Sounds like a party to me! Barry Davis > --- Are you talking about the Piets being built around Atlanta? I am working in Atlanta area and ready to start covering the wings on my GN-1 Biplane, would love to get a look at the 6. My project is on the westcoastpiet site under Jim D Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3701#203701 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:04 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009 I sent an e-mail to Doc Mosher a week and a half ago enquiring about an OSH gathering. No word back yet. How many of us could commit to flying to OSH? NX18235 is a probable attendee. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Williams To: Pietlist Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:35 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2009 Speaking of 2009..that's the 80th birthday of the Pietenpol Air Camper!!! Has there been any talk about a special celebration at B'head? How about another mass fly-in to OSH?? I know Bill Rewey was instrumental in getting the 70th bash a reality and now that we have Doc Mosher in our camp maybe he could lend his skills and networking abilities to further the cause. Something special should happen for such a special airplane. 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