---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/13/08: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:10 AM - wood gear legs (carson) 2. 03:02 AM - Re: wood gear legs (Jack T. Textor) 3. 03:15 AM - Re: wood gear legs (Jack Phillips) 4. 06:35 AM - Re: Riblett Print! (Ryan Mueller) 5. 07:22 AM - Tailwheel question(s) (Dick Carden) 6. 08:17 AM - Re: Tailwheel question(s) (shad bell) 7. 08:57 AM - Re: wood gear legs (Gene Rambo) 8. 10:14 AM - Re: Tailwheel question(s) (Don Emch) 9. 10:15 AM - Re: Tailwheel question(s) (H RULE) 10. 10:19 AM - Re: Tailwheel question(s) (H RULE) 11. 04:20 PM - Re: Tailwheel question(s) (Pieti Lowell) 12. 04:58 PM - GN-1 Survives IKE (Mike King) 13. 05:40 PM - Re: wood gear legs (Lagowski Morrow) 14. 06:29 PM - Re: Riblett Print! (Joser) 15. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: Riblett Print! (Ryan Mueller) 16. 08:57 PM - Re: Riblett Print! (Joser) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood gear legs From: "carson" Hi all I am about to order the spruce for my gear legs. The plans call for solid spruce My question is should I make laminated legs or go solid what have others done? Is laminating better? Thanks in advance Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4058#204058 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:42 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wood gear legs From: "Jack T. Textor" Carson, Most use ash for the legs. Jack www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:08 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wood gear legs Hi Carson, I made my gear legs of spruce as did Mike Cuy. Mike used solid spruce, I laminated mine, primarily so I could make a hollow channel for the brake line to run through and be hidden. Either way works fine. One unexpected advantage of laminating is that the lamination lines make it very easy to tell when you are shaping them correctly to an airfoil shape. If the lines are parallel, your cross section is consistent. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood gear legs Hi all I am about to order the spruce for my gear legs. The plans call for solid spruce My question is should I make laminated legs or go solid what have others done? Is laminating better? Thanks in advance Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4058#204058 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:12 AM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett Print! Jose, The case looks nice and clean. Did you end up cleaning it by hand? Also, did you make sure to remove the oil galley plugs in order to clean the oil galleys out? Just out of curiosity, is there any particular reason you removed all of the head studs from your case? If I recall correctly you had stated before that your core was in very good condition, and came apart nicely. The lower head studs are almost always in good shape, since they are protected from the elements by the valve covers, and don't require removal. And living in the land of no winter would seem to reduce the likelihood that corrosion would have eaten away the ends of the upper studs (although I guess there still is the whole salt water thing). Anywho, just wondering.... A question about your print; what is the text of the notation in the top left corner? I can make out the first line about 1/4 x 1/2 unless otherwise noted, but can't decipher the rest of the note. I don't think the print I have from Bill Rewey has that notation, so I just wanted to see if it was information that is contained elsewhere in my print, or not at all. Thanks, Ryan On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Joser wrote: > > Just received my Riblett prints from Roman! Very nice, I ordered two so > that I could laminate them and use one on my wall and the other for my > fixture. Also got my case pretty clean this past month. Roman, thank you for > your prompt response! Jose. > > -------- > Jose R. Soto > Apopka, Florida > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:36 AM PST US From: Dick Carden Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel question(s) I'm getting ready to run the control cables aft of the cockpit; I'm also going to have a tailwheel. The question is what problem would arise if I used a tailwheel that simply swivels on demand, without being connected to the rudder cables in any way? Turns using the rudder and/or brakes would swivel the tailwheel as the tail turned. Or so it would seem to me. I'd appreciate some "been there done that" experience. Dick Carden ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:53 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel question(s) I would worry about ground looping in a crosswind.- The tail would probab ly swing around pretty quick and around you will go.- It would be practic al if it would lock streight for takeoff and landing.- I've heard a coulp le old timers talking about flying old locking tailwheels, and landing with them unlocked by accident, they said it was "dicey".- I would say go ahe ad and put a steerable wheel on, you'll be glad you did.- We origianally had a fixed tailwheel ( pretty much a rolling tailskid) and it is so much n icer with the steerable one.- It was also a big pain in the butt to run n ew rudder/ tailwheel cables after the fuselage is covered.- So in my opin ion, save the time and put the steerable wheel on during construction,- I t won't look bad either, I can send photos if you like, Don Emch's is a fin e example, ours is simmilar to his, and many others. - Shad Carden I'm getting ready to run the control cables aft of the cockpit; I'm also going to have a tailwheel. The question is what problem would arise if I used a tailwheel that simply swivels on demand, without being connected to the rudder cables in any way? Turns using the rudder and/or brakes would swivel the tailwheel as the tail turned. Or so it would seem to me. I'd appreciate som e "been there done that" experience. Dick Carden =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:12 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood gear legs Never seen any side legs make of ash, the bottom piece is, but I think spruce is better for the sides. I can recommend, as I am sure everyone else will, that you make your legs out of pine first, because you WILL mess up a couple of times. I ran some 2x4's through the table saw to the dimensions and kept at it until I made a good set THEN made them out of spruce (and screwed up the first try on those as well). If you want one person's method of making the legs, please feel free to call me at 202-674-1445. I tried several different ways before THE one made itself obvious, and was extremely simple. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: carson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:08 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood gear legs > Hi all I am about to order the spruce for my gear legs. The plans call for solid spruce My question is should I make laminated legs or go solid what have others done? Is laminating better? Thanks in advance Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4058#204058 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tailwheel question(s) From: "Don Emch" I agree with Shad, I'd make it steerable. I've added a couple of links to pictures of mine. It's pretty simple. Just a 1/2" bolt with the threads cut off and pressed up through the tailwheel yoke then slid up through bushings in the 'A' frame body. Then a 'T' is pinned on the top for steering. I'm using a 3 1/2" wheel. It gets abused on a regular basis! http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/dscn0380_596.jpg http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/dscn0381_111.jpg Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4108#204108 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:32 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel question(s) I have a faily large tail wheel;never lock it.I don't even have a lock on i t.Never had any problem.I land on the mains and then when things slow down enough I let the tail drop and coast to a stop.-Piece of cake!-=0A=0A =0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: shad bell =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11 :16:12 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel question(s)=0A=0A=0AI wo uld worry about ground looping in a crosswind.- The tail would probably s wing around pretty quick and around you will go.- It would be practical i f it would lock streight for takeoff and landing.- I've heard a coulple o ld timers talking about flying old locking tailwheels, and landing with the m unlocked by accident, they said it was "dicey".- I would say go ahead a nd put a steerable wheel on, you'll be glad you did.- We origianally had a fixed tailwheel ( pretty much a rolling tailskid) and it is so much nicer with the steerable one.- It was also a big pain in the butt to run new r udder/ tailwheel cables after the fuselage is covered.- So in my opinion, save the time and put the steerable wheel on during construction,- It wo n't look bad either, I can send photos if you like, Don Emch's is a fine ex ample, ours is simmilar to his, and many others.=0A-=0AShad=0A=0A=0ACarde n=0A=0A=0AI'm getting ready to run the control cables aft of the cockpit; I'm=0Aalso going to have a tailwheel. The question is what problem would arise if I=0Aused a tailwheel that simply swivels on dem and, without being connected to the=0Arudder cables in any way? Turns using the rudder and/or brakes would swivel the=0Atailwheel as the tail turned. Or so it would seem to me. I'd appreciate some=0A"been there done that" exp D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:27 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel question(s) My tail wheel is none steerable as well.Go to the web site where all the pi ctures and info on the Piets are kept and you see a pic of me in flight-( C-IOVC) and you'll see what I mean.I can't load in a picture becuase the we b page won't let me.=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: shad be ll =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Satur day, September 13, 2008 11:16:12 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwhee l question(s)=0A=0A=0AI would worry about ground looping in a crosswind.- The tail would probably swing around pretty quick and around you will go. - It would be practical if it would lock streight for takeoff and landing .- I've heard a coulple old timers talking about flying old locking tailw heels, and landing with them unlocked by accident, they said it was "dicey" .- I would say go ahead and put a steerable wheel on, you'll be glad you did.- We origianally had a fixed tailwheel ( pretty much a rolling tailsk id) and it is so much nicer with the steerable one.- It was also a big pa in in the butt to run new rudder/ tailwheel cables after the fuselage is co vered.- So in my opinion, save the time and put the steerable wheel on du ring construction,- It won't look bad either, I can send photos if you li ke, Don Emch's is a fine example, ours is simmilar to his, and many others. =0A-=0AShad=0A=0A=0ACarden=0A=0A=0AI'm getting read y to run the control cables aft of the cockpit; I'm=0Aalso going to have a tailwheel. The question is what problem would arise if I=0Aused a tailwheel that simply swivels on demand, without being connected to the=0Arudder cab les in any way? Turns using the rudder and/or brakes would swivel the=0Atai lwheel as the tail turned. Or so it would seem to me. I'd appreciate some =0A"been there done that" experience. Dick Carden =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tailwheel question(s) From: "Pieti Lowell" Hi Dick' Ever try to taxi a skid, in a 30 knot crosswind, I think the same result is going to happen without locking the tailwheel, Dick Alkir, Ohio, had to walk his skid Piet a half mile at Oshkosh, not an easy task with higher crosswinds and not worth the risk. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4161#204161 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:15 PM PST US From: "Mike King" Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Survives IKE BlankJust a quick report to let the group know that my GN-1 did survive Hurricane IKE. Labor Day weekend I flew via Southwest Airlines from Corpus to Dallas to bring my GN-1 to its new home. My luck, a few days later I had to take her to Alice, Texas, 60 miles west to an old World War II hangar to hide her from Hurricane IKE that was predicted to hit Corpus. It is always windy here along the Texas Gulf Coast and when I left here to fly my plane to Alice, I had a 70 degree crosswind at 25 mph. The plane tracked down the runway and lifted off with no problems. The east wind helped my groundspeed reach 95 miles per hour to Alice. Luckily the wind in Alice was pretty much down runway 31 and the GN-1 touched down without any problems. Great plane in crosswind. The parasol wing helps. Tomorrow (Sunday) I go back to Alice to bring her back home. Looking forward to flight down the beachline. Mike King GN-1 77MK Corpus Christi, Texas ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:44 PM PST US From: "Lagowski Morrow" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood gear legs Gene, for general info my cabanes and landing gear legs are made of laminated ash. Four 1/4' pieces for a finished thickness of ~1". The glue was T-88. The landing gear pieces are overlapped at the bottom, following a Fly Baby drawing.--Jim Lagowski, ready for a 2nd flight this coming week ( repairs are complete ) Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Rambo To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood gear legs Never seen any side legs make of ash, the bottom piece is, but I think spruce is better for the sides. I can recommend, as I am sure everyone else will, that you make your legs out of pine first, because you WILL mess up a couple of times. I ran some 2x4's through the table saw to the dimensions and kept at it until I made a good set THEN made them out of spruce (and screwed up the first try on those as well). If you want one person's method of making the legs, please feel free to call me at 202-674-1445. I tried several different ways before THE one made itself obvious, and was extremely simple. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: carson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:08 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood gear legs Hi all I am about to order the spruce for my gear legs. The plans call for solid spruce My question is should I make laminated legs or go solid what have others done? Is laminating better? Thanks in advance Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4058#204058 http://www.matp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com nbsp; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ================ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 9/12/2008 2:18 PM ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett Print! From: "Joser" Hi Ryan, I did send the core to a machine shop for a dip in the hot tank, this did no good and I wasn't even charged for the dip! My partner in building, Dean, and I bought some laundry detergent and went to work with a couple of brushes and a pressure washer, that did the trick. The studs were corroded in the centers to the point where I did not want to fly behind them, I carefully removed them and obtained a very nice set from one of the guys at the corvair club in central Florida. I will install these with Loctite 620. I did remove the oil plugs and used my rifle cleaning kit and brushes along with carburetor cleaner to do the oil galleys. Attached is the notation in the left hand corner of the print. How's your project coming along? Joser. -------- Jose R. Soto Apopka, Florida Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4184#204184 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/s7301410_673.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:24 PM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett Print! Joser, Excellent to hear that you are being very thorough! The detergent (and the copious amount of elbow grease involved) did a very nice job of cleaning the case. I spent the day working on a case that should be the one we build with. Finally! We removed all the bad upper studs (10 of 12), and they all came out with no problem, removing no metal and leaving good threads in the case. I have a full set of good used upper studs that I saved from other junk cases, which will go back in with 620. I attacked the halves with brushes and Super Clean. I probably removed about 95% of the grime, with the rest still in various small spaces my brushs couldn't get to. Maybe when we're back out next weekend I'll give the detergent a shot. Our crank has been machined and nitrided. We have heads up at Falcon being redone, and are just accumulating money so we can purchase the parts we need from Clark's Corvair and William Wynne in two big lumps. Other than that, we are just about to start turning out Riblett ribs. We wish you good luck with your project. Hopefully progress goes well on your engine, and also with getting some ribs built up. Have a good night, Ryan On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Joser wrote: > > Hi Ryan, I did send the core to a machine shop for a dip in the hot tank, > this did no good and I wasn't even charged for the dip! My partner in > building, Dean, and I bought some laundry detergent and went to work with a > couple of brushes and a pressure washer, that did the trick. The studs were > corroded in the centers to the point where I did not want to fly behind > them, I carefully removed them and obtained a very nice set from one of the > guys at the corvair club in central Florida. I will install these with > Loctite 620. I did remove the oil plugs and used my rifle cleaning kit and > brushes along with carburetor cleaner to do the oil galleys. Attached is the > notation in the left hand corner of the print. How's your project coming > along? Joser. > > -------- > Jose R. Soto > Apopka, Florida > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett Print! From: "Joser" Ryan, where did you get the crank worked on? I have a machine shop close to the house and I would like to see where it's at in relation to factory specs. I do not want to regrind it if it doesn't need it. Also did you send it in to Nitron, Inc. to get it nitrided? I'm on the same boat you are in when it comes to saving the $$$ to send it out. I am planning to purchase new cylinders, pistons and rods from Clark's. Also a new Otto OT-10 cam, lifters and the heads will also go to Falcon. I'm just anal about stuff (from my days as an electronics tech with the Coast Guard)! Talk to you soon. Joser -------- Jose R. 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