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1. 04:40 AM - Re: GN-1 Survives IKE (Gene & Tammy)
2. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Riblett Print! (Ryan Mueller)
3. 08:56 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08 (TBYH@aol.com)
4. 11:06 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08 (owen5819@comcast.net)
5. 12:09 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08 (Gene Rambo)
6. 12:36 PM - Aileron hinge question (Jack T. Textor)
7. 12:53 PM - Re: Aileron hinge question (Dick Navratil)
8. 01:03 PM - Re: Aileron hinge question (walt)
9. 01:28 PM - Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank (boilerup@ndwave.com)
10. 02:43 PM - Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank (carson)
11. 02:51 PM - Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank (walt)
12. 04:15 PM - Re: Aileron hinge question (Jack T. Textor)
13. 05:04 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08 (owen5819@comcast.net)
14. 05:34 PM - Wood Gear (Gary Boothe)
15. 06:40 PM - Re: Brodhead 2009 (jimd)
16. 06:44 PM - Interesting Piet cargo pod (Bill Church)
17. 06:50 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank (H RULE)
18. 08:08 PM - Re: Aileron hinge question (BScott116@aol.com)
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Subject: | Re: GN-1 Survives IKE |
BlankGreat to hear your plane survived the storm. Have a great & safe
flt back home.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike King
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 6:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Survives IKE
Just a quick report to let the group know that my GN-1 did survive
Hurricane IKE.
Labor Day weekend I flew via Southwest Airlines from Corpus to Dallas
to bring
my GN-1 to its new home. My luck, a few days later I had to take her
to Alice, Texas,
60 miles west to an old World War II hangar to hide her from Hurricane
IKE that was
predicted to hit Corpus.
It is always windy here along the Texas Gulf Coast and when I left
here to fly my plane
to Alice, I had a 70 degree crosswind at 25 mph. The plane tracked
down the runway
and lifted off with no problems. The east wind helped my groundspeed
reach 95 miles
per hour to Alice. Luckily the wind in Alice was pretty much down
runway 31 and the
GN-1 touched down without any problems. Great plane in crosswind.
The parasol
wing helps.
Tomorrow (Sunday) I go back to Alice to bring her back home. Looking
forward to
flight down the beachline.
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Corpus Christi, Texas
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Subject: | Re: Riblett Print! |
Good morning Joser,
We had our crank done at Quinlin's Automotive in Indianapolis. At the time,
a gentleman by the name of Larry Hudson (who lives near Indy) was putting
together a batch of 10 cranks to be Ion-nitrided at Advanced Nitriding
Solutions. They are a larger volume shop with a good reputation, and they
would take Corvair cranks in batches. Larry is building a couple motors and
had his cranks machined at Quinlin's with good results, so we sent ours down
there to be machined and then go in with the batch at ANS (two birds, one
stone). I honestly have no idea if he is putting together another batch of
cranks to be nitrided, but I can contact Larry and find out. It was $250 to
have the crank magnfluxed, shot-peened, ground + radiused, tapped for safety
shaft, and balanced. The nitriding was $125, but I think they raised their
prices somewhat, so they may now cost the same as sending it to Nitron. You
aren't terribly far from William Wynne, I believe, so you may give him a
call and see if he has a recommendation for a semi-local Florida machine
shop.
You can determine the status of your crank before you take it to the shop,
if you wish. Performing the ring test will tell you if it is obviously
cracked. You can check the dimensions with a set of calipers or a micrometer
to give you an idea of journal size, and if they are out-of-round. The
dimensions are in the back of the Corvair shop manual, which is something
you will want to invest in anyhow if you are going to be building your own
motor. Clarks Corvair has them for about $21 + s/h, or you can try Ebay.
Falcon is certainly not the cheapest way to have heads built, but having
seen their shop and the work they do, you will not be disappointed. Mark
does absolutely top-notch work.
All for now. We're having a family get-together today, and it's time to help
prep. Have a good one,
Ryan
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Joser <jsoto5@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Ryan, where did you get the crank worked on? I have a machine shop close to
> the house and I would like to see where it's at in relation to factory
> specs. I do not want to regrind it if it doesn't need it. Also did you send
> it in to Nitron, Inc. to get it nitrided? I'm on the same boat you are in
> when it comes to saving the $$$ to send it out. I am planning to purchase
> new cylinders, pistons and rods from Clark's. Also a new Otto OT-10 cam,
> lifters and the heads will also go to Falcon. I'm just anal about stuff
> (from my days as an electronics tech with the Coast Guard)! Talk to you
> soon. Joser
>
> --------
> Jose R. Soto
> Apopka, Florida
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08 |
Using white ash for my gear legs...already shaped and fitted. Spruce would be
lighter, of course...but they use white ash for hockey sticks and baseball
bats for a reason...Just my 2 cents worth...
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08 |
> Using white ash for my gear legs...already shaped and fitted. Spruce would be
> lighter, of course...but they use white ash for hockey sticks and baseball
> bats for a reason...Just my 2 cents worth...
Hmmm. What do fiberglass axe handles weigh? Someone once used them as main gear
legs on a Dragonfly, quite successfully, as I understood at the time. Not exactly
1928 technology, but they might work in this application as well.
Owen
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08 |
I only stated earlier that I did not know of anyone who used ash for the
side braces, not that it had not been done. It is my understanding that
ash is strong but brittle, and was not chosen for the side braces in the
plans for a reason.
Gene
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To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs -
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> Using white ash for my gear legs...already shaped and fitted. Spruce
would be
> lighter, of course...but they use white ash for hockey sticks and
baseball
> bats for a reason...Just my 2 cents worth...
Hmmm. What do fiberglass axe handles weigh? Someone once used them as
main gear legs on a Dragonfly, quite successfully, as I understood at
the time. Not exactly 1928 technology, but they might work in this
application as well.
Owen
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Subject: | Aileron hinge question |
Hi all,
Wanting to hang my aileron hinge today and would appreciate your
thoughts. I'm using a piano hinge. Do I align the top of the hinge
with the upper wing surface or should I raise it a bit so the actual pin
is aligned with the upper surface, which would result in the rolled
portion of the hinge to ride above the top surface.
Thanks!
Jack
Jack Textor
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Subject: | Re: Aileron hinge question |
Jack
My opinion is that lowering the hinge a bit makes for a better bearing
surface on the back side of the ailereon beam. The nuts willl be right
at the beveled edge. My hinge tops are right at the top of the covering,
but going 1/4" lower wouldnt hurt anything.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack T. Textor
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 2:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge question
Hi all,
Wanting to hang my aileron hinge today and would appreciate your
thoughts. I'm using a piano hinge. Do I align the top of the hinge
with the upper wing surface or should I raise it a bit so the actual pin
is aligned with the upper surface, which would result in the rolled
portion of the hinge to ride above the top surface.
Thanks!
Jack
Jack Textor
Vice President
3737 Woodland Avenue
Suite #300
West Des Moines, IA 50266
515-225-7000
www.thepalmergroup.com
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Subject: | Re: Aileron hinge question |
Jack,
I had the top of the hinge even with the top surface of the wing. None
of the hinge stuck above the air flow.
Never had a problem.
Few drops of oil during every annual inspection, every 6 inches or so,
and all is good.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack T. Textor
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge question
Hi all,
Wanting to hang my aileron hinge today and would appreciate your
thoughts. I'm using a piano hinge. Do I align the top of the hinge
with the upper wing surface or should I raise it a bit so the actual pin
is aligned with the upper surface, which would result in the rolled
portion of the hinge to ride above the top surface.
Thanks!
Jack
Jack Textor
Vice President
3737 Woodland Avenue
Suite #300
West Des Moines, IA 50266
515-225-7000
www.thepalmergroup.com
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Subject: | Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank |
Does anyone have or now where to get a drawing for a wing mounted aluminum
fuel tank?
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Subject: | Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank |
Hi
I brought the plans for a fibreglass tank from Kerri-Ann Price they are very good
and the tank should be quite a bit lighter just do a search on the name and
you will find it.
Carson
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Subject: | Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank |
Are you using a Model A engine?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: <boilerup@ndwave.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 4:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
>
> Does anyone have or now where to get a drawing for a wing mounted aluminum
> fuel tank?
>
>
>
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Subject: | Aileron hinge question |
Dick and Walt,
Thanks so much for your help! It was a good (cold-rainy) weekend. I
tensioned my drag-anti-drag wires, applied my leading edge ply and
mounted my aileron. Time to start on the right wing.
Thanks again guys...
Jack
www.textors.com
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08 |
> I only stated earlier that I did not know of anyone who used ash for the side
> braces, not that it had not been done. It is my understanding that ash is
> strong but brittle, and was not chosen for the side braces in the plans for a
> reason.
Gene,
>From the order of the quoted posts, it looks like the above may have been intended
as a reply to my suggestion about axe handles. If so, maybe I should say
that this was not intended as some sort of smart-a** comment about your prior
message. Fiberglass axe handles are strong, reasonably streamlined, and probably
cheaper than suitable wood, and there is precedent for their use in gear legs.
But they may be heavy. I seriously wondered whether anyone knew how much they
weigh compared with spruce. If not, I'll weigh one myself next time I get
the chance.
Owen
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Just for the sake of discussion (and since I am using laminated Hickory), I
don't see where there is a need to be concerned about the flexible strength
of spruce vs the brittle strength of ash. It appears to me that the gear is
well braced with wires, transferring virtually all the load to compression
only. Where is the need for flex?
Certainly there is weight penalty for ash or hickory. The same would apply
to the cabanes and wing struts.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(11 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
owen5819@comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08
> I only stated earlier that I did not know of anyone who used ash for the
side
> braces, not that it had not been done. It is my understanding that ash is
> strong but brittle, and was not chosen for the side braces in the plans
for a
> reason.
Gene,
>From the order of the quoted posts, it looks like the above may have been
intended as a reply to my suggestion about axe handles. If so, maybe I
should say that this was not intended as some sort of smart-a** comment
about your prior message. Fiberglass axe handles are strong, reasonably
streamlined, and probably cheaper than suitable wood, and there is precedent
for their use in gear legs. But they may be heavy. I seriously wondered
whether anyone knew how much they weigh compared with spruce. If not, I'll
weigh one myself next time I get the chance.
Owen
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2009 |
Barry,
Thanks for the info, I will be back in Atlanta monday the 14th-thursday, pretty
much each week for a while, will give you a call and see if I can see the planes.
Jim D.
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Subject: | Interesting Piet cargo pod |
Was just surfing the web for Pietenpol photos and came across an interesting idea.
This Pietenpol has what looks like a torpedo, but is actually a cargo pod
mounted below the fuselage. The description says it is made of carbon fiber. Looks
like a great way to carry a tent or any other odd shaped items, for those
trying to make the Air Camper live up to its name. Here's a link to the photo:
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/223082.html
Of course, one would have to accept the fact that such an attachment would add
a bit of drag to an otherwise sleek aircraft.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank |
Please be aware that a fiber glass tank will be eaten in todays gasoline ty
pes with ethonal in it.I was talking to a friend of mine and he said that i
f you line the inside with a resistant coating that it will last against it
but-I have as yet not been successful at this on my N3Pup tanks.=0A=0A
=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: carson <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au>
=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 5:43
:01 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
.au>=0A=0AHi =0AI brought the plans for a fibreglass tank from Kerri-Ann Pr
ice they are very good and the tank should be quite a bit lighter just do a
search on the name and you will find it.=0ACarson=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this
topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 428
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Subject: | Re: Aileron hinge question |
you are going to cover them with a gap seal aren't you?
In a message dated 9/14/2008 2:54:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
horzpool@goldengate.net writes:
Jack
My opinion is that lowering the hinge a bit makes for a better bearing
surface on the back side of the ailereon beam. The nuts willl be right at t
he
beveled edge. My hinge tops are right at the top of the covering, but going
1/4"
lower wouldnt hurt anything.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: _Jack T. Textor_ (mailto:jtextor@thepalmergroup.com)
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 2:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge question
Hi all,
Wanting to hang my aileron hinge today and would appreciate your thoughts.
I
=99m using a piano hinge. Do I align the top of the hinge with the u
pper wing
surface or should I raise it a bit so the actual pin is aligned with the
upper surface, which would result in the rolled portion of the hinge to rid
e
above the top surface.
Thanks!
Jack
Jack Textor
Vice President
3737 Woodland Avenue
Suite #300
West Des Moines, IA 50266
515-225-7000
_www.thepalmergroup.com_ (http://www.thepalmergroup.com/)
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e legally
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