Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sun 09/14/08


Total Messages Posted: 18



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:40 AM - Re: GN-1 Survives IKE (Gene & Tammy)
     2. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Riblett Print! (Ryan Mueller)
     3. 08:56 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08 (TBYH@aol.com)
     4. 11:06 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08 (owen5819@comcast.net)
     5. 12:09 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08 (Gene Rambo)
     6. 12:36 PM - Aileron hinge question (Jack T. Textor)
     7. 12:53 PM - Re: Aileron hinge question (Dick Navratil)
     8. 01:03 PM - Re: Aileron hinge question (walt)
     9. 01:28 PM - Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank (boilerup@ndwave.com)
    10. 02:43 PM - Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank (carson)
    11. 02:51 PM - Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank (walt)
    12. 04:15 PM - Re: Aileron hinge question (Jack T. Textor)
    13. 05:04 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08 (owen5819@comcast.net)
    14. 05:34 PM - Wood Gear (Gary Boothe)
    15. 06:40 PM - Re: Brodhead 2009 (jimd)
    16. 06:44 PM - Interesting Piet cargo pod (Bill Church)
    17. 06:50 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank (H RULE)
    18. 08:08 PM - Re: Aileron hinge question (BScott116@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:40:29 AM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: GN-1 Survives IKE
    BlankGreat to hear your plane survived the storm. Have a great & safe flt back home. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Survives IKE Just a quick report to let the group know that my GN-1 did survive Hurricane IKE. Labor Day weekend I flew via Southwest Airlines from Corpus to Dallas to bring my GN-1 to its new home. My luck, a few days later I had to take her to Alice, Texas, 60 miles west to an old World War II hangar to hide her from Hurricane IKE that was predicted to hit Corpus. It is always windy here along the Texas Gulf Coast and when I left here to fly my plane to Alice, I had a 70 degree crosswind at 25 mph. The plane tracked down the runway and lifted off with no problems. The east wind helped my groundspeed reach 95 miles per hour to Alice. Luckily the wind in Alice was pretty much down runway 31 and the GN-1 touched down without any problems. Great plane in crosswind. The parasol wing helps. Tomorrow (Sunday) I go back to Alice to bring her back home. Looking forward to flight down the beachline. Mike King GN-1 77MK Corpus Christi, Texas ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 9/5/2008 1:24 PM


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    Time: 06:58:37 AM PST US
    From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Riblett Print!
    Good morning Joser, We had our crank done at Quinlin's Automotive in Indianapolis. At the time, a gentleman by the name of Larry Hudson (who lives near Indy) was putting together a batch of 10 cranks to be Ion-nitrided at Advanced Nitriding Solutions. They are a larger volume shop with a good reputation, and they would take Corvair cranks in batches. Larry is building a couple motors and had his cranks machined at Quinlin's with good results, so we sent ours down there to be machined and then go in with the batch at ANS (two birds, one stone). I honestly have no idea if he is putting together another batch of cranks to be nitrided, but I can contact Larry and find out. It was $250 to have the crank magnfluxed, shot-peened, ground + radiused, tapped for safety shaft, and balanced. The nitriding was $125, but I think they raised their prices somewhat, so they may now cost the same as sending it to Nitron. You aren't terribly far from William Wynne, I believe, so you may give him a call and see if he has a recommendation for a semi-local Florida machine shop. You can determine the status of your crank before you take it to the shop, if you wish. Performing the ring test will tell you if it is obviously cracked. You can check the dimensions with a set of calipers or a micrometer to give you an idea of journal size, and if they are out-of-round. The dimensions are in the back of the Corvair shop manual, which is something you will want to invest in anyhow if you are going to be building your own motor. Clarks Corvair has them for about $21 + s/h, or you can try Ebay. Falcon is certainly not the cheapest way to have heads built, but having seen their shop and the work they do, you will not be disappointed. Mark does absolutely top-notch work. All for now. We're having a family get-together today, and it's time to help prep. Have a good one, Ryan On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Joser <jsoto5@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > > Ryan, where did you get the crank worked on? I have a machine shop close to > the house and I would like to see where it's at in relation to factory > specs. I do not want to regrind it if it doesn't need it. Also did you send > it in to Nitron, Inc. to get it nitrided? I'm on the same boat you are in > when it comes to saving the $$$ to send it out. I am planning to purchase > new cylinders, pistons and rods from Clark's. Also a new Otto OT-10 cam, > lifters and the heads will also go to Falcon. I'm just anal about stuff > (from my days as an electronics tech with the Coast Guard)! Talk to you > soon. Joser > > -------- > Jose R. Soto > Apopka, Florida


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    Time: 08:56:54 AM PST US
    From: TBYH@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08
    Using white ash for my gear legs...already shaped and fitted. Spruce would be lighter, of course...but they use white ash for hockey sticks and baseball bats for a reason...Just my 2 cents worth... Fred B. La Crosse, WI **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)


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    Time: 11:06:30 AM PST US
    From: owen5819@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08
    > Using white ash for my gear legs...already shaped and fitted. Spruce would be > lighter, of course...but they use white ash for hockey sticks and baseball > bats for a reason...Just my 2 cents worth... Hmmm. What do fiberglass axe handles weigh? Someone once used them as main gear legs on a Dragonfly, quite successfully, as I understood at the time. Not exactly 1928 technology, but they might work in this application as well. Owen


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    Time: 12:09:29 PM PST US
    From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08
    I only stated earlier that I did not know of anyone who used ash for the side braces, not that it had not been done. It is my understanding that ash is strong but brittle, and was not chosen for the side braces in the plans for a reason. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: owen5819@comcast.net<mailto:owen5819@comcast.net> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 2:05 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08 owen5819@comcast.net<mailto:owen5819@comcast.net> > Using white ash for my gear legs...already shaped and fitted. Spruce would be > lighter, of course...but they use white ash for hockey sticks and baseball > bats for a reason...Just my 2 cents worth... Hmmm. What do fiberglass axe handles weigh? Someone once used them as main gear legs on a Dragonfly, quite successfully, as I understood at the time. Not exactly 1928 technology, but they might work in this application as well. Owen http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List<http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on>


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    Time: 12:36:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Aileron hinge question
    From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
    Hi all, Wanting to hang my aileron hinge today and would appreciate your thoughts. I'm using a piano hinge. Do I align the top of the hinge with the upper wing surface or should I raise it a bit so the actual pin is aligned with the upper surface, which would result in the rolled portion of the hinge to ride above the top surface. Thanks! Jack Jack Textor Vice President 3737 Woodland Avenue Suite #300 West Des Moines, IA 50266 515-225-7000 www.thepalmergroup.com <http://www.thepalmergroup.com/> This e-mail, including attachments, is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential, and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, and then please delete it. Thank you.


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    Time: 12:53:14 PM PST US
    From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: Aileron hinge question
    Jack My opinion is that lowering the hinge a bit makes for a better bearing surface on the back side of the ailereon beam. The nuts willl be right at the beveled edge. My hinge tops are right at the top of the covering, but going 1/4" lower wouldnt hurt anything. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Textor To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge question Hi all, Wanting to hang my aileron hinge today and would appreciate your thoughts. I'm using a piano hinge. Do I align the top of the hinge with the upper wing surface or should I raise it a bit so the actual pin is aligned with the upper surface, which would result in the rolled portion of the hinge to ride above the top surface. Thanks! Jack Jack Textor Vice President 3737 Woodland Avenue Suite #300 West Des Moines, IA 50266 515-225-7000 www.thepalmergroup.com This e-mail, including attachments, is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential, and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, and then please delete it. Thank you.


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    Time: 01:03:24 PM PST US
    From: "walt" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Aileron hinge question
    Jack, I had the top of the hinge even with the top surface of the wing. None of the hinge stuck above the air flow. Never had a problem. Few drops of oil during every annual inspection, every 6 inches or so, and all is good. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Textor To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge question Hi all, Wanting to hang my aileron hinge today and would appreciate your thoughts. I'm using a piano hinge. Do I align the top of the hinge with the upper wing surface or should I raise it a bit so the actual pin is aligned with the upper surface, which would result in the rolled portion of the hinge to ride above the top surface. Thanks! Jack Jack Textor Vice President 3737 Woodland Avenue Suite #300 West Des Moines, IA 50266 515-225-7000 www.thepalmergroup.com This e-mail, including attachments, is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential, and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, and then please delete it. Thank you.


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    Time: 01:28:18 PM PST US
    Subject: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
    From: boilerup@ndwave.com
    Does anyone have or now where to get a drawing for a wing mounted aluminum fuel tank?


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    Time: 02:43:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
    From: "carson" <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au>
    Hi I brought the plans for a fibreglass tank from Kerri-Ann Price they are very good and the tank should be quite a bit lighter just do a search on the name and you will find it. Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4285#204285


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    Time: 02:51:36 PM PST US
    From: "walt" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
    Are you using a Model A engine? walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: <boilerup@ndwave.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 4:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank > > Does anyone have or now where to get a drawing for a wing mounted aluminum > fuel tank? > > >


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    Time: 04:15:38 PM PST US
    Subject: Aileron hinge question
    From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
    Dick and Walt, Thanks so much for your help! It was a good (cold-rainy) weekend. I tensioned my drag-anti-drag wires, applied my leading edge ply and mounted my aileron. Time to start on the right wing. Thanks again guys... Jack www.textors.com do not archive


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    Time: 05:04:01 PM PST US
    From: owen5819@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08
    > I only stated earlier that I did not know of anyone who used ash for the side > braces, not that it had not been done. It is my understanding that ash is > strong but brittle, and was not chosen for the side braces in the plans for a > reason. Gene, >From the order of the quoted posts, it looks like the above may have been intended as a reply to my suggestion about axe handles. If so, maybe I should say that this was not intended as some sort of smart-a** comment about your prior message. Fiberglass axe handles are strong, reasonably streamlined, and probably cheaper than suitable wood, and there is precedent for their use in gear legs. But they may be heavy. I seriously wondered whether anyone knew how much they weigh compared with spruce. If not, I'll weigh one myself next time I get the chance. Owen


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    Time: 05:34:28 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Wood Gear
    Just for the sake of discussion (and since I am using laminated Hickory), I don't see where there is a need to be concerned about the flexible strength of spruce vs the brittle strength of ash. It appears to me that the gear is well braced with wires, transferring virtually all the load to compression only. Where is the need for flex? Certainly there is weight penalty for ash or hickory. The same would apply to the cabanes and wing struts. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (11 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of owen5819@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 09/13/08 > I only stated earlier that I did not know of anyone who used ash for the side > braces, not that it had not been done. It is my understanding that ash is > strong but brittle, and was not chosen for the side braces in the plans for a > reason. Gene, >From the order of the quoted posts, it looks like the above may have been intended as a reply to my suggestion about axe handles. If so, maybe I should say that this was not intended as some sort of smart-a** comment about your prior message. Fiberglass axe handles are strong, reasonably streamlined, and probably cheaper than suitable wood, and there is precedent for their use in gear legs. But they may be heavy. I seriously wondered whether anyone knew how much they weigh compared with spruce. If not, I'll weigh one myself next time I get the chance. Owen


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    Time: 06:40:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Brodhead 2009
    From: "jimd" <jlducey@hotmail.com>
    Barry, Thanks for the info, I will be back in Atlanta monday the 14th-thursday, pretty much each week for a while, will give you a call and see if I can see the planes. Jim D. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4322#204322


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    Time: 06:44:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Interesting Piet cargo pod
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Was just surfing the web for Pietenpol photos and came across an interesting idea. This Pietenpol has what looks like a torpedo, but is actually a cargo pod mounted below the fuselage. The description says it is made of carbon fiber. Looks like a great way to carry a tent or any other odd shaped items, for those trying to make the Air Camper live up to its name. Here's a link to the photo: http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/223082.html Of course, one would have to accept the fact that such an attachment would add a bit of drag to an otherwise sleek aircraft. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4323#204323


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    Time: 06:50:55 PM PST US
    From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
    Subject: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank
    Please be aware that a fiber glass tank will be eaten in todays gasoline ty pes with ethonal in it.I was talking to a friend of mine and he said that i f you line the inside with a resistant coating that it will last against it but-I have as yet not been successful at this on my N3Pup tanks.=0A=0A =0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: carson <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au> =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 5:43 :01 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank .au>=0A=0AHi =0AI brought the plans for a fibreglass tank from Kerri-Ann Pr ice they are very good and the tank should be quite a bit lighter just do a search on the name and you will find it.=0ACarson=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 428 ===============


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    Time: 08:08:52 PM PST US
    From: BScott116@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Aileron hinge question
    you are going to cover them with a gap seal aren't you? In a message dated 9/14/2008 2:54:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, horzpool@goldengate.net writes: Jack My opinion is that lowering the hinge a bit makes for a better bearing surface on the back side of the ailereon beam. The nuts willl be right at t he beveled edge. My hinge tops are right at the top of the covering, but going 1/4" lower wouldnt hurt anything. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: _Jack T. Textor_ (mailto:jtextor@thepalmergroup.com) Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge question Hi all, Wanting to hang my aileron hinge today and would appreciate your thoughts. I =99m using a piano hinge. Do I align the top of the hinge with the u pper wing surface or should I raise it a bit so the actual pin is aligned with the upper surface, which would result in the rolled portion of the hinge to rid e above the top surface. Thanks! Jack Jack Textor Vice President 3737 Woodland Avenue Suite #300 West Des Moines, IA 50266 515-225-7000 _www.thepalmergroup.com_ (http://www.thepalmergroup.com/) This e-mail, including attachments, is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential, and may b e legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, and then please delete it. Thank you. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)




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