---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/15/08: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank (Michael Silvius) 2. 07:27 AM - aileron hinge question (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 07:46 AM - Re: Aileron hinge question (Dick Navratil) 4. 10:32 AM - Re: Interesting Piet cargo pod (Patrick Panzera) 5. 10:56 AM - Re: Interesting Piet cargo pod (Gene & Tammy) 6. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank (airlion@bellsouth.net) 7. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank (H RULE) 8. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank (boilerup@ndwave.com) 9. 04:54 PM - Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank (boilerup@ndwave.com) 10. 06:23 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 11. 06:31 PM - Re: Interesting Piet cargo pod (Bob Hassel) 12. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: Vinyl Ester Resin (johnwoods@westnet.com.au) 13. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank (Isablcorky@aol.com) 14. 09:17 PM - Re: Interesting Piet cargo pod (Gary Boothe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:05 AM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank Harvey: A great majority of epoxies and polyesters suffer degradation when in contact with modern ethanol blends. But the key to building a composite fuel tank that is compatible with todays etahnol blend fuels is to use vinylester resin as this is impervious to alcohols. It is also a litle more tolerant of deviations in mix proportions and thus a bit easier to use. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/vinylester.php Michael in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: H RULE Please be aware that a fiber glass tank will be eaten in todays gasoline types with ethonal in it.I was talking to a friend of mine and he said that if you line the inside with a resistant coating that it will last against it but I have as yet not been successful at this on my N3Pup tanks. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:59 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: aileron hinge question >you are going to cover them with a gap seal aren't you? The continuous piano hinge the full length of the aileron IS the gap seal. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:17 AM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge question A piano hinge becomes a gap seal. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: BScott116@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 10:08 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge question you are going to cover them with a gap seal aren't you? In a message dated 9/14/2008 2:54:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, horzpool@goldengate.net writes: Jack My opinion is that lowering the hinge a bit makes for a better bearing surface on the back side of the ailereon beam. The nuts willl be right at the beveled edge. My hinge tops are right at the top of the covering, but going 1/4" lower wouldnt hurt anything. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Textor To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge question Hi all, Wanting to hang my aileron hinge today and would appreciate your thoughts. I=99m using a piano hinge. Do I align the top of the hinge with the upper wing surface or should I raise it a bit so the actual pin is aligned with the upper surface, which would result in the rolled portion of the hinge to ride above the top surface. Thanks! Jack Jack Textor Vice President 3737 Woodland Avenue Suite #300 West Des Moines, IA 50266 515-225-7000 www.thepalmergroup.com This e-mail, including attachments, is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential, and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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This Pietenpol has what looks like a torpedo, but is > actually a cargo pod mounted below the fuselage. The description says it > is made of carbon fiber. Looks like a great way to carry a tent or any > other odd shaped items, for those trying to make the Air Camper live up to > its name. Here's a link to the photo: > > http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/223082.html > > Of course, one would have to accept the fact that such an attachment would > add a bit of drag to an otherwise sleek aircraft. > > Bill C. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:37 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting Piet cargo pod That's more like it!! I sure wouldn't want a non streamlined cargo pod slowing my Piet down! Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Panzera" Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting Piet cargo pod > > > The canard guys have had good luck with it. > > http://farm1.static.flickr.com/74/201693948_fd0ad08858.jpg?v=0 > > Pat > >> Was just surfing the web for Pietenpol photos and came across an >> interesting idea. This Pietenpol has what looks like a torpedo, but is >> actually a cargo pod mounted below the fuselage. The description says it >> is made of carbon fiber. Looks like a great way to carry a tent or any >> other odd shaped items, for those trying to make the Air Camper live up >> to >> its name. Here's a link to the photo: >> >> http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/223082.html >> >> Of course, one would have to accept the fact that such an attachment >> would >> add a bit of drag to an otherwise sleek aircraft. >> >> Bill C. > > > -- > Checked by AVG. > 1:24 PM > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:16 PM PST US From: airlion@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:54 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank Thanks for that information=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Mess age ----=0AFrom: Michael Silvius =0ATo: pietenpol-list@mat ronics.com=0ASent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:55:57 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pi etenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank=0A=0A=0AHarvey:=0A -=0AA great majority of epoxies and-polyesters suffer degradation when in contact with modern ethanol blends. But the key to building a composite fuel tank that is compatible with todays etahnol blend fuels is to use viny lester resin as this is impervious to alcohols. It is also a litle more tol erant of deviations in mix proportions and thus a bit easier to use. =0A- =0Ahttp://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/vinylester.php=0A-=0AMic hael- in Maine=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: H RULE =0A=0APlease be aware that a fiber glass tank will be eaten in today s gasoline types with ethonal in it.I was talking to a friend of mine and h e said that if you line the inside with a resistant coating that it will la st against it but-I have as yet not been successful at this on my N3Pup t ============== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank From: boilerup@ndwave.com I bought the plans also and my attempt at making the fiberglass tank was not very successful. I have someone that will build me an aluminum tank for the cost of materials. That is why I am inquiring about aluminum tank plans. Thanks, Bart > > Hi > I brought the plans for a fibreglass tank from Kerri-Ann Price they are > very good and the tank should be quite a bit lighter just do a search on > the name and you will find it. > Carson > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4285#204285 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank From: boilerup@ndwave.com Corvair. > > Are you using a Model A engine? > walt evans > NX140DL > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 4:56 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank > > >> >> Does anyone have or now where to get a drawing for a wing mounted >> aluminum >> fuel tank? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:15 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank Being a large 270 lb 6'0" mass of water, tendons, muscle, fat, brains, look s, gas and other humanoid characteristics, I went with a well built aluminu m tank for ballast as a header tank. No stinking fiberglass in this plane! Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP - --- On Mon, 9/15/08, boilerup@ndwave.com wrote: From: boilerup@ndwave.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank I bought the plans also and my attempt at making the fiberglass tank was not very successful. I have someone that will build me an aluminum tank for the cost of materials. That is why I am inquiring about aluminum tank plans. Thanks, Bart > > Hi > I brought the plans for a fibreglass tank from Kerri-Ann Price they are > very good and the tank should be quite a bit lighter just do a search on > the name and you will find it. > Carson > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4285#204285 > > =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:47 PM PST US From: "Bob Hassel" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting Piet cargo pod I'd want to make sure the laminar air-flow of the fuse wasn't messed up in any way... Bob Santa Fe, NM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interesting Piet cargo pod That's more like it!! I sure wouldn't want a non streamlined cargo pod slowing my Piet down! Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Panzera" Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting Piet cargo pod > > > The canard guys have had good luck with it. > > http://farm1.static.flickr.com/74/201693948_fd0ad08858.jpg?v=0 > > Pat > >> Was just surfing the web for Pietenpol photos and came across an >> interesting idea. This Pietenpol has what looks like a torpedo, but is >> actually a cargo pod mounted below the fuselage. The description says it >> is made of carbon fiber. Looks like a great way to carry a tent or any >> other odd shaped items, for those trying to make the Air Camper live up >> to >> its name. Here's a link to the photo: >> >> http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/223082.html >> >> Of course, one would have to accept the fact that such an attachment >> would >> add a bit of drag to an otherwise sleek aircraft. >> >> Bill C. > > > -- > Checked by AVG. > 1:24 PM > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:54 PM PST US From: johnwoods@westnet.com.au Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vinyl Ester Resin Michael, I was considering a "wet centre section" fuel tank using fibreglass but was concerned about alcohol reacting with the resin. I read that epoxy vinyl ester resin does not react with alcohol, and many other compounds, so my plans are back on track (as long as the tank temperature stays below 150 degF). Here is a link showing what chemical resistance epoxy vinyl ester resin has. http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/chemical-resistance-vinyl-ester-d_78 5.html Regards, JohnW >But the key to building a composite fuel tank that is compatible with todays etahnol blend fuels is to use vinylester resin as this is impervious to alcohols. Michael in Maine > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:45 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Fuel Wing Mounted Fuel Tank Sure am glad you exhibited those humanoid characteristics when we loaded "Blue Boy" at 25 below in sunny, beautiful west Minnesota. Thanks again David and Corky **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:01 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Interesting Piet cargo pod I think that you are all wrong about that picture. It is not a cargo pod. In fact, I am quite sure it's a jettison fuel cell. How else is he going to get to Texas to dogfight Oscar? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (11 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- >> its name. Here's a link to the photo: >> >> http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/223082.html >> >> Of course, one would have to accept the fact that such an attachment >> would >> add a bit of drag to an otherwise sleek aircraft. >> >> Bill C. > > > -- > Checked by AVG. > 1:24 PM > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.