---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/17/08: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:34 AM - Re: Officially a Piet owner! (Jonathan Ragle) 2. 10:11 AM - Re: will the real Pietenpol please stand up (Patrick Panzera) 3. 11:12 AM - Re: will the real Pietenpol please stand up (Roy Brooks) 4. 01:19 PM - Re: Officially a Piet owner! (H RULE) 5. 01:22 PM - Re: will the real Pietenpol please stand up (H RULE) 6. 01:32 PM - Re: Officially a Piet owner! (H RULE) 7. 01:41 PM - Re: will the real Pietenpol please stand up (Bill Church) 8. 03:31 PM - Re: will the real Pietenpol please stand up (H RULE) 9. 03:41 PM - Re: will the real Pietenpol please stand up (Roy Brooks) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:20 AM PST US From: Jonathan Ragle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Officially a Piet owner! Steve=2C I'm not too worried about it. I bought it because I like it and the price was right. I'm not worried about the pedigree and any history that goes al ong with it is just a bonus. Sorry Bernie. I have to say this kind of rem inds me of the automatic vs. manual transmission debate for drag cars. Jus t a big 'ol can of worms and no right answer aside from "preferance". Darryl is a very cool guy. Always willing to help and he knows his stuff. He is finishing up the annual on the RV6A and then he is going to sell it for us. Man=2C that 7 of his sure is a clean ride. I can't wait to see it painted. The interior and the panel are absolutely sick. If you stop in at his place in the next couple of months check out the 6A. I spent my for mative years in its tail cone. I'll get at you when I get my tailwheel endorsement and we will grab a hamb urger somewhere. I would like to see another GN-1 also. Up to OK is a ple asant little flight. I flew to Duncan in a Cessna 150 when I was a teenage r. And thanks for the DFWpilots link. I=92ll have to check that out. Jonathan From: steve@wotelectronics.comTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Officially a Piet owner!Date: Tue=2C 16 Sep 2008 22:32:47 - 0500 Jonathan=2C Congratulations from another GN-1 owner! I still call mine a Pietenpol bec ause the way I figure it is 95% Piet=2C 5% Grega. Majority wins. Heck=2C Bernard himself probably made more modifications to the original Piet desig n than anyone else=2C I guess that makes him the worlds greatest purist and greatest blasphemer at the same time. How many "original=2C true Pietenpo ls" built in the last three decades have cotton cloth and the same type pai nt Bernard used? Not many. Anyway=2C I'll shut up now=2C probably should' ve done that several sentences ago. I used to live in the DFW area=2C and kept my plane at Grayson County and M eacham for a while. I flew it under the class B a lot=2C and at Meacham's class D often. I stopped at MWL in it about 6 weeks ago to see Darryl at F irebird Aviation. I have a good friend in Graham=2C so I fly it down there fairly often. There is a good group of local pilots at http://www.dfwpilots.com/board/ =2C you should check out the website sometime. We get together fairly regu larly for fly-ins and such. I'd love to see another GN-1 sometime. They a re a lot of fun. I bought mine in Indiana and flew it to Texas about 3.5 y ears ago=2C and have put over 300 hours on it since. It is a great plane. Steve Ruse Norman=2C OK ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Ragle Sent: Tuesday=2C September 16=2C 2008 8:38 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Officially a Piet owner! Well I cut a check on Saturday and for the first time in my life I own an a irplane. I'm quite proud. My dad and I built an RV but it was the parents ' money. My dad and I went 1/2 and 1/2 on this little blue Piet. I've got a really big grin on my face that I just can't wipe off. Now I have to ge t checked out for a tailwheel. Luckily my old flight instructor owns a Cha mp. Should be a lot of fun. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/210649/7 Do not archive. Jonathan - Happy to be part of the club. :) Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together=97at home=2C work=2C or on the go. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:59 AM PST US From: "Patrick Panzera" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up > I guess my "AirCamper" is part Baptist, part Lutheran? ..... Maybe part Catholic, part Lutheran would be a better analogy. Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:50 AM PST US From: Roy Brooks Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up Hmmm? Part Episcopalian / part Catholic? or LDS / FLDS? .... I lived in Salt Lake City briefly. "Flys Low=2C Delightly Slow" or "Low=2C Delicio usly Slow" Sterling The Original TACO from El Paso > From: panzera@experimental-aviation.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up > Date: Wed=2C 17 Sep 2008 10:11:09 -0700 > ntal-aviation.com> > > > > > I guess my "AirCamper" is part Baptist=2C part Lutheran? ..... > > > Maybe part Catholic=2C part Lutheran would be a better analogy. > > Pat > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people=2C information=2C and fun that are part of your life. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:33 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Officially a Piet owner! AMEN to that from GN-1 Pietenpol/Grega pilot Harv Rule C-IOVC Ottawa.=0A- =0A-=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Stev e Ruse =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent : Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:32:47 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Of ficially a Piet owner!=0A=0A=0AJonathan,=0A-=0ACongratulations from anoth er GN-1 owner!- I still call mine a Pietenpol because the way I figure it is 95% Piet, 5% Grega.- Majority wins.- Heck, Bernard himself probably made more modifications to the original Piet design than anyone else, I gu ess that makes him the worlds greatest purist and greatest blasphemer at th e same time.- How many "original, true Pietenpols" built in the last thre e decades have cotton cloth and the same type paint Bernard used?- Not ma ny.- Anyway, I'll shut up now, probably should've done that several sente nces ago.=0A-=0AI used to live in the DFW area, and kept my plane at Gray son County and Meacham for a while.- I flew it under the class B a lot, a nd at Meacham's class D often.- I stopped at MWL in it about 6 weeks ago to see Darryl at Firebird Aviation.- I have a good friend in Graham, so I fly it down there fairly often.=0A-=0AThere is a good group of local pil ots at http://www.dfwpilots.com/board/ , you should check out the website s ometime.- We get together fairly regularly for fly-ins and such.- I'd l ove to see another GN-1 sometime.- They are a lot of fun.- I bought min e in Indiana and flew it to Texas about 3.5 years ago, and have put over 30 0 hours on it since.- It is a great plane.=0A-=0ASteve Ruse=0ANorman, O K=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Jonathan Ragle =0ATo: pietenpol-l ist@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:38 AM=0ASubject: P ietenpol-List: Officially a Piet owner!=0AWell I cut a check on Saturday an d for the first time in my life I own an airplane.- I'm quite proud.- -My dad and I built an RV but it was the parents' money.- My dad and I went 1/2 and 1/2 on this little blue Piet.- I've got a really big grin on my face that I just can't wipe off.- Now I have to-get checked out for a tailwheel.- Luckily my old flight instructor owns a Champ.- Should b e a lot of fun.=0A-=0Ahttp://www.cardomain.com/ride/210649/7=0A-=0ADo n ot archive.=0A-=0AJonathan - Happy to be part of the club.- :)=0A=0A___ _____________________________=0AGet more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden se crets of Windows Live. Learn Now =0A=0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref ="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c=0A=0A ======== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:12 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up I called it an Aircamper at a flyin up here in Brockville and the guy says" hell how ya gona camp in that?"I said ya don't, ya fly it to where ya wana camp nut ball!=0A-=0A-=0Ado not archive--=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Roy Brooks =0ATo: pietenpol-list@ matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:07:33 PM=0ASubject: RE : Pietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up=0A=0AHey... Coke, Pepsi --- Mr. Pibb or Dr. Pepper.- =0A=0AI'll sit on a tailgate and dr ink a different-brand soda with anybody and I don't criticize them for the flavor they prefer. (Oscar calls me a woosie cause I like Corona, but that' s just between two amigos...:) This Piet vs GN thing brings us apart. I jus t call 'em Aircampers and hope for the best.=0A=0ANow get this, the example I have (in progress and soon to go on Ebay) is a Piet fuselage and a GN wi ng) I didn't start this, an A&P/AI who has a Master's Degree in an aeronaut ical field did, and whom was in the Air Force as a B1 and a B2 maintenance officer. (Has more brains than me, so I suspect he knows someting I didn't ? )=0A=0AI guess my "AirCamper" is part Baptist, part Lutheran? ..... Eithe r way (Piet/GN or Baptist/Lutreran) I suspect we all touch-down on the same grass strip in the end and that's really all that matters.=0A=0ASterling =0Athe original TACO from El Paso=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0AFrom: jon95gt@hotmail.com=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up=0ADate: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:45:31 -0500=0A=0ASorry man!!- Definately not trying to start a-debate or war-of any type.- :)- I just looked it up again before getting on here and sure enough it's a Pietenpol GN-1.- So it's a hermie , not to worried about it.- I did a bit of research and found a few thing s about the GN-1.- I should have known it was a newbie question and done a search.- My mistake!=0A-=0AJonathan Ragle=0APietenpol GN-1 N83887 (Ba stard child and OK with it)=0AWatauga, Texas=0A-=0A=0A=0A> From: taildrag s@hotmail.com=0A> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A> Subject: Pietenpol-L ist: will the real Pietenpol please stand up=0A> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20: ildrags@hotmail.com>=0A> =0A> =0A> Sigh... here we go again... "what's the difference between a Pietenpol and a GN-1?" I won't get into it this time; I sent Doc Mosher a very nice and informative letter on the subject and he wrote an editorial about my letter on the BPA News website. Enough said fro m my corner. All I was trying to do was give due respect to both Mr. Pieten pol and Mr. Grega for their respective contributions to our most enjoyable sport in both Air Campers and Aircampers, but then again some people call a ny yellow airplane a "Cub" no matter what it really is.=0A> =0A> For now su ffice it to say that N83887 is registered as a "Pietenpol GN-1". Now you ta lk about a hermaphrodite-! That's just about the same as saying your party affiliation is "Democratic Republican" ;o)=0A> =0A> Low 'n' slow forever! A nd welcome to the Texas Air Camper Organization (TACO)!=0A> =0A> Oscar Zuni ga=0A> Air Camper NX41CC (all Piet and proud of it)=0A> San Antonio, TX=0A> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com=0A> website at http://www.flysq==== ===================0A>==0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AGet more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now =0A http://www.m://forums.mat ronics.com" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com http://www== ======================0A=0A=0A___ _____________________________=0AWant to do more with Windows Live? Learn ======================= ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:57 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Officially a Piet owner! A GN-1 has J3 landing gear and usually a J3 wing.Mine has Aeronca control g ear.My plans call for it.People that see my plane call it a 747 because tha t's the only plane they know.=0A-=0A-=0A-=0Ado not archive-=0A=0A =0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Jonathan Ragle =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:19:28 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Officially a Piet owner!=0A=0ATha t's all well and good, I'm just curious - what changes are there?- When I looked it up on the FAA site I'm pretty sure it said Piet, but you can pre tty much call a homebuilt whatever you want on paper.=0A=0AThanks,=0AJon=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Officially a P iet owner!=0ADate: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:31:46 -0500=0A=0A=0AOn Sep 16, 2008, at 5:07 PM, Jonathan Ragle wrote:=0A=0AWhat Mikee is saying is that it is not a Pietenpol, but is a Grega GN-1. Nothing wrong with that at but it ain 't a Bernard Pietenpol type Aircamper. Congrats on ownership. I jumped in t he fray a few months ago with a J-3.=0A=0ATakeCare,=0A-john-=0A=0A=0AMike C . in-Ohio=0A-=0A--------- Mike C, what is a GN-1?- Long fuselage?- And thanks!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ast" target="_blank">http://ww w.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0A ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=0A=0A_________________ _______________=0AWant to do more with Windows Live? Learn =9310 hidden sec =========================0A =========================0A =================== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:41:50 PM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up Harvey, "Aircamper" (one word) is actually the correct name for the Grega GN-1. Peitenpol designed the "Air Camper", which is written as two words. This is a very nit-picky detail that is known only to Pietenpol/GN-1 nut balls. But then I'm sure you already knew that, since that's the way you wrote it. Bill C. do not archive this either _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H RULE Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 4:22 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up I called it an Aircamper at a flyin up here in Brockville and the guy says"hell how ya gona camp in that?"I said ya don't, ya fly it to where ya wana camp nut ball! do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:05 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up Right!=0A-=0A-=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ---- =0AFrom: Bill Church =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronic s.com=0ASent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 4:41:29 PM=0ASubject: RE: Piete npol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up=0A=0A=0AHarvey,=0A-=0A "Aircamper" (one word)-is actually the correct name for the Grega GN-1. =0APeitenpol designed the "Air Camper", which is written as two words.=0ATh is is a very nit-picky detail that is known only to Pietenpol/GN-1 nut ball s.=0A-=0ABut then I'm sure you already knew that, since that's the way yo u wrote it.=0A-=0ABill C.=0A-do-not-archive-this-either=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@mat ronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of H RULE=0ASent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 4:22 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@m atronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up=0A=0A=0AI called it an Aircamper at a flyin up here in Brockville and the guy says"hell how ya gona camp in that?"I said ya don't, ya fly it to where ya wana camp nut ball!=0A-=0A-=0Ado not archive--=0A=0A- ======== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:01 PM PST US From: Roy Brooks Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up Toss a bedsheet across one wing=2C instant tent as the fabric drapes down b oth sides. Sounds like a neat AirCamper to me. From: harvey.rule@rogers.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up I called it an Aircamper at a flyin up here in Brockville and the guy says" hell how ya gona camp in that?"I said ya don't=2C ya fly it to where ya wan a camp nut ball! do not archive ----- Original Message ---- From: Roy Brooks Sent: Tuesday=2C September 16=2C 2008 11:07:33 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up Hey... Coke=2C Pepsi -- Mr. Pibb or Dr. Pepper. I'll sit on a tailgate and drink a different-brand soda with anybody and I don't criticize them for the flavor they prefer. (Oscar calls me a woosie c ause I like Corona=2C but that's just between two amigos...:) This Piet vs GN thing brings us apart. I just call 'em Aircampers and hope for the best. Now get this=2C the example I have (in progress and soon to go on Ebay) is a Piet fuselage and a GN wing) I didn't start this=2C an A&P/AI who has a M aster's Degree in an aeronautical field did=2C and whom was in the Air Forc e as a B1 and a B2 maintenance officer. (Has more brains than me=2C so I su spect he knows someting I didn't ? ) I guess my "AirCamper" is part Baptist=2C part Lutheran? ..... Either way ( Piet/GN or Baptist/Lutreran) I suspect we all touch-down on the same grass strip in the end and that's really all that matters. Sterling the original TACO from El Paso From: jon95gt@hotmail.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up Sorry man!! Definately not trying to start a debate or war of any type. : ) I just looked it up again before getting on here and sure enough it's a Pietenpol GN-1. So it's a hermie=2C not to worried about it. I did a bit of research and found a few things about the GN-1. I should have known it was a newbie question and done a search. My mistake! Jonathan Ragle Pietenpol GN-1 N83887 (Bastard child and OK with it) Watauga=2C Texas > From: taildrags@hotmail.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: will the real Pietenpol please stand up > Date: Tue=2C 16 Sep 2008 20:45:46 -0500 > > > > > Sigh... here we go again... "what's the difference between a Pietenpol an d a GN-1?" I won't get into it this time=3B I sent Doc Mosher a very nice and informative letter on the subject and he wrote an e ditorial about my letter on the BPA News website. Enough said from my corne r. All I was trying to do was give due respect to both Mr. Pietenpol and Mr . Grega for their respective contributions to our most enjoyable sport in b oth Air Campers and Aircampers=2C but then again some people call any yello w airplane a "Cub" no matter what it really is. > > For now suffice it to say that N83887 is registered as a "Pietenpol GN-1" . Now you talk about a hermaphrodite-! That's just about the same as saying your party affiliation is "Democratic Republican" =3Bo) > > Low 'n' slow forever! And welcome to the Texas Air Camper Organization (T ACO)! > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC (all Piet and proud of it) > San Antonio=2C TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysq=============== ====== > > > > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now http://www.m://forums.matronics.com" target="_blank">http://forums.matr onics.com http://www================== ==== Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn =9310 hidden secrets=94 from Jamie . Learn Now gator?Pietenpol-List" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www .matronics.ccs.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://forums.matronics .com ://www.matronics.com/contribution" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://w ====================== _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together=97at home=2C work=2C or on the go. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.