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1. 03:11 AM - Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US (HelsperSew@aol.com)
2. 04:50 AM - Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US (H RULE)
3. 05:00 AM - Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US (Ryan Mueller)
4. 05:05 AM - Greensboro, NC Pietenpols (Gene Rambo)
5. 05:50 AM - Re: Greensboro, NC Pietenpols (Lloyd Smith)
6. 05:58 AM - Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US (amsafetyc@aol.com)
7. 06:13 AM - Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
8. 06:39 AM - Paper cutter source (Ryan Mueller)
9. 06:50 AM - Re: Paper cutter source (Michael Silvius)
10. 07:10 AM - Re: Paper cutter source (Kip and Beth Gardner)
11. 07:32 AM - Re: Paper cutter source (Jose Soto)
12. 08:34 AM - Re: Paper cutter source (Michael Perez)
13. 10:48 AM - Re: Paper cutter source (Ryan Mueller)
14. 11:01 AM - Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US (Jonathan Ragle)
15. 04:13 PM - Re: Paper cutter source (Pieti Lowell)
16. 04:31 PM - Paper cutter source/rib question (Ryan Mueller)
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Subject: | Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US |
Hi Guys,
Just today I was trying to carve my prop. The first step is to horse most of
the material off with an electric chain saw. So I bought a Chinese model
from Harbor Freight. After only about 30 minutes of use, the thing came to a
screeching halt. Investigation revealed that the bearings got so hot that the
plastic housing melted. What a bunch of crap! I should have listened to my old
A&P instructor, L.B. Applegate, when he said "there is nothing more expensive
than cheap tools".
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US |
I had something like that happen to me but it was because I forgot to put o
il in the gas. =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "HelsperSew@
aol.com" <HelsperSew@aol.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sa
turday, September 20, 2008 6:10:54 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: China
SkyCatcher OT Buy US=0A=0AHi Guys,=0A=0AJust today I was trying to carve my
prop. The first step is to horse most of the material off with an electric
-chain saw. So I bought a Chinese model from Harbor Freight. After only a
bout 30 minutes of use, the thing came to a screeching halt. Investigation
revealed that the bearings got so hot that the plastic housing melted. What
a bunch of crap! I should have listened to my old A&P instructor, L.B. App
legate, when he said "there is nothing more expensive than cheap tools".
=0A=0ADan Helsper=0APoplar Grove, IL.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________
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Subject: | Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US |
Dan,
We had a similarly frustrating experience with one of their crappy tools. We
picked up the 40 lb pressurized blaster they sell. We needed to do (still
need to do) some blasting of various engine parts; it was on sale, so I
thought we'd give it a shot. I knew everything they sold was pretty well
throw away stuff, but how bad could a blaster be? No moving parts, no
motors, etc. Just a valve to turn it off and on.
It came disassembled. No big deal. I put it together using plenty of teflon
tape, and applying more than enough torque to the numerous valve bodies,
manifolds, fittings, hoses, etc. I put the air to it and it leaked like a
seize from damn near everywhere. It even leaked air profusely from around
the bell jar shaped housing that attached to the main body of the air
separator (because of being so poorly manufactured). I could try to chase
all the leaks out of it, but the air separator was still completely junk and
was not going to seal up. I boxed the whole mess back up and we returned it.
Very frustrating day.
Good luck on your search for a decent saw. Have a good morning,
Ryan
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:10 AM, <HelsperSew@aol.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Just today I was trying to carve my prop. The first step is to horse most
> of the material off with an electric chain saw. So I bought a Chinese model
> from Harbor Freight. After only about 30 minutes of use, the thing came to a
> screeching halt. Investigation revealed that the bearings got so hot that
> the plastic housing melted. What a bunch of crap! I should have listened to
> my old A&P instructor, L.B. Applegate, when he said "there is nothing more
> expensive than cheap tools".
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
>
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Subject: | Greensboro, NC Pietenpols |
I keep forgetting, is anyone close to Greensboro NC? I have to sit
there all day tomorrow and would like to find someone to visit.
Gene
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Subject: | Re: Greensboro, NC Pietenpols |
jack Phillips isin Raleigh, but he may be in VA during the weekend working
on his new home.
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> I keep forgetting, is anyone close to Greensboro NC? I have to sit there
> all day tomorrow and would like to find someone to visit.
>
> Gene
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US |
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Subject: | Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US |
Tools burning up are common for Harbour Freight tools. That is why you can just
take them back for a replacement so easy. Of course the next one may burn up
also. Yeah they are cheep.
Blue skies.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: amsafetyc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US
> Truth is you go harbor freight for throw away tools. Cheap and
> never take up space in your shop fortunately the also sell trash
> cans to transport the tools to the curb
>
> John
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Ryan Mueller" <
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 06:59:25
> To: <
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US
>
>
> Dan,
>
> We had a similarly frustrating experience with one of their crappy tools. We
> picked up the 40 lb pressurized blaster they sell. We needed to do (still
> need to do) some blasting of various engine parts; it was on sale, so I
> thought we'd give it a shot. I knew everything they sold was pretty well
> throw away stuff, but how bad could a blaster be? No moving parts, no
> motors, etc. Just a valve to turn it off and on.
>
> It came disassembled. No big deal. I put it together using plenty of teflon
> tape, and applying more than enough torque to the numerous valve bodies,
> manifolds, fittings, hoses, etc. I put the air to it and it leaked like a
> seize from damn near everywhere. It even leaked air profusely from around
> the bell jar shaped housing that attached to the main body of the air
> separator (because of being so poorly manufactured). I could try to chase
> all the leaks out of it, but the air separator was still completely junk and
> was not going to seal up. I boxed the whole mess back up and we returned it.
> Very frustrating day.
>
> Good luck on your search for a decent saw. Have a good morning,
>
> Ryan
>
> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:10 AM, < wrote:
>
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Just today I was trying to carve my prop. The first step is to horse most
> > of the material off with an electric chain saw. So I bought a Chinese model
> > from Harbor Freight. After only about 30 minutes of use, the thing came to
a
> > screeching halt. Investigation revealed that the bearings got so hot that
> > the plastic housing melted. What a bunch of crap! I should have listened to
> > my old A&P instructor, L.B. Applegate, when he said "there is nothing more
> > expensive than cheap tools".
> > Dan Helsper
> > Poplar Grove, IL
> >
>
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Subject: | Paper cutter source |
I'm trying to locate a paper cutter, to use for cutting up gussets. I'm
hoping to find a plain old used paper cutter along the lines of the simple,
hefty units they used to have in schools, offices, etc. I would think there
would be plenty of surplus used ones out there, but I'm coming up empty on
where to find them. The office supply mega-stores have paper cutters, but
usually only a handful of models. They're either ridiculously expensive, or
not worth the cheap Chinese plastic they're made out of ($32 for a junk unit
that is almost lighter than the box and styrofoam it is packed in). The used
office supply places I've called around to seem to only deal with furniture
(desks, filing cabinets, etc). Any suggestions?
Ryan
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Subject: | Re: Paper cutter source |
Ryan:
Try ebay for used ones??
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
I'm trying to locate a paper cutter, to use for cutting up gussets.
I'm hoping to find a plain old used paper cutter along the lines of the
simple, hefty units they used to have in schools, offices, etc.
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Subject: | Re: Paper cutter source |
Hi Ryan,
I had the same problem - got one of the plastic ones & it only worked
so-so to crappy. I think the only place to find one of the old,
good ones is if you had an '"in" at a public school that had one
squirreled away in storage. What I wound up doing was getting an old
scroll saw (jigsaw?? - the benchtop thing, not the hand-held type) at
a garage sale for $5 & clamping a straight piece of wood to it as a
fence. Works really fast & you can stack 3-4 pieces of wood to make
it go even faster. It's real easy to make short straight cuts on any
odd-shaped pieces as well. Of course, if you already have a bandsaw,
it can do the same job as the jigsaw.
Kip Gardner
On Sep 20, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> I'm trying to locate a paper cutter, to use for cutting up gussets.
> I'm hoping to find a plain old used paper cutter along the lines of
> the simple, hefty units they used to have in schools, offices, etc.
> I would think there would be plenty of surplus used ones out there,
> but I'm coming up empty on where to find them. The office supply
> mega-stores have paper cutters, but usually only a handful of
> models. They're either ridiculously expensive, or not worth the
> cheap Chinese plastic they're made out of ($32 for a junk unit that
> is almost lighter than the box and styrofoam it is packed in). The
> used office supply places I've called around to seem to only deal
> with furniture (desks, filing cabinets, etc). Any suggestions?
>
> Ryan
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Paper cutter source |
Hi Ryan, from my R/C modeling, I have some friends that have laser cutting
equipment and I am going to try to set up all of the gussets on a CAD file
to see how they turn out. I'll let you know, Jose
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 9:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Paper cutter source
I'm trying to locate a paper cutter, to use for cutting up gussets. I'm h
oping to find a plain old used paper cutter along the lines of the simple,
hefty units they used to have in schools, offices, etc. I would think there
would be plenty of surplus used ones out there, but I'm coming up empty on
where to find them. The office supply mega-stores have paper cutters, but
usually only a handful of models. They're either ridiculously expensive, or
not worth the cheap Chinese plastic they're made out of ($32 for a junk un
it that is almost lighter than the box and styrofoam it is packed in). The
used office supply places I've called around to seem to only deal with furn
iture (desks, filing cabinets, etc). Any suggestions?
Ryan
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Subject: | Re: Paper cutter source |
Ryan, here is what I found real quick on the internet:
-
http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/330379/GBC-GT-II-Series-Trimmer-12/
I found out that thesetype cutters are called "Arm Cutters."- I don't kno
w how much you want to spend, but this one looks to be a lot like the one I
used in my HINT video with the wood base and steel arm.
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Subject: | Re: Paper cutter source |
Michael,
Thanks for the link. As luck would have it, this is an online only item. I
was hoping to find something locally. The two Office Depot's I've been to
thus far only stock two cutters. They are made by the same company, GBC, and
are absolutely worthless (one is at the same price point). I'm a bit
hesitant to order one of their products sight unseen, especially with it
being at the same price point as one of their other worthless products, and
then have to send it back because it is also junk.
In searching around since my initial email I actually did find one, in the
style I am looking for. The Michigan State University Surplus Store has a
website, where they dispose of their...well, surplus stuff. They had two
used 16" cutters, the older heavy duty style, for $29.99 each. East Lansing
is not too far away from Chicago, so after $11 for shipping I have what I
wanted for about $40.
Thanks for your help. Enjoy your weekend,
Ryan
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Ryan, here is what I found real quick on the internet:
>
> http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/330379/GBC-GT-II-Series-Trimmer-12/
> I found out that thesetype cutters are called "Arm Cutters." I don't know
> how much you want to spend, but this one looks to be a lot like the one I
> used in my HINT video with the wood base and steel arm.
>
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Subject: | China SkyCatcher OT Buy US |
Oddly after building 2 aluminum airplanes the belt sander=2C 2 wheel grinde
r=2C and drill press that my dad bought 10 years ago from HF are still goin
g strong. Total investment: $150.
Jon> From: steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com> D
ate: Sat=2C 20 Sep 2008 08:13:18 -0500> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: China
even D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>> > Tools burning up are
common for Harbour Freight tools. That is why you can just take them back
for a replacement so easy. Of course the next one may burn up also. Yeah th
ey are cheep.> > Blue skies.> Steve> > ----- Original Message -----> From:
amsafetyc@aol.com> Date: Saturday=2C September 20=2C 2008 8:07> Subject: Re
: Pietenpol-List: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.
com> > > > Truth is you go harbor freight for throw away tools. Cheap and >
> never take up space in your shop fortunately the also sell trash > > can
s to transport the tools to the curb> > > > John> > Sent from my Verizon Wi
reless BlackBerry> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: "Ryan Mueller"
<> > > > Date: Sat=2C 20 Sep 2008 06:59:25 > > To: <> > Subject: Re: Piete
npol-List: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US> > > > > > Dan=2C> > > > We had a sim
ilarly frustrating experience with one of their crappy tools. We> > picked
up the 40 lb pressurized blaster they sell. We needed to do (still> > need
to do) some blasting of various engine parts=3B it was on sale=2C so I> > t
hought we'd give it a shot. I knew everything they sold was pretty well> >
throw away stuff=2C but how bad could a blaster be? No moving parts=2C no>
> motors=2C etc. Just a valve to turn it off and on.> > > > It came disasse
mbled. No big deal. I put it together using plenty of teflon> > tape=2C and
applying more than enough torque to the numerous valve bodies=2C> > manifo
lds=2C fittings=2C hoses=2C etc. I put the air to it and it leaked like a>
> seize from damn near everywhere. It even leaked air profusely from around
> > the bell jar shaped housing that attached to the main body of the air>
> separator (because of being so poorly manufactured). I could try to chase
> > all the leaks out of it=2C but the air separator was still completely j
unk and> > was not going to seal up. I boxed the whole mess back up and we
returned it.> > Very frustrating day.> > > > Good luck on your search for a
decent saw. Have a good morning=2C> > > > Ryan> > > > On Sat=2C Sep 20=2C
2008 at 5:10 AM=2C < wrote:> > > > > Hi Guys=2C> > >> > > Just today I was
trying to carve my prop. The first step is to horse most> > > of the materi
al off with an electric chain saw. So I bought a Chinese model> > > from Ha
rbor Freight. After only about 30 minutes of use=2C the thing came to a> >
> screeching halt. Investigation revealed that the bearings got so hot that
> > > the plastic housing melted. What a bunch of crap! I should have liste
ned to> > > my old A&P instructor=2C L.B. Applegate=2C when he said "there
is nothing more> > > expensive than cheap tools".> > > Dan Helsper> > > Pop
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Subject: | Re: Paper cutter source |
I found 2 cutters ( Old Style ) at St Vinnies, and put them on the shelf to sell
for $3.00 each, they were sold in a day. will keep my eyes open for future donations,
By the way I cut gussets with a heavy duty scissors Bent No 9 by Fiskars
Pieti Lowell
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Subject: | Paper cutter source/rib question |
Lowell,
My wife's grandmother has an old pair of scissors she uses to cut pizzas
with. They are enormous, and sharp. Those (or in this case something along
those lines) would have worked as well. I think the cutter I found will work
well too, for a minimal investment.
A question for you about the Riblett. I have Bill Rewey's print. I was
double checking my gusset count last night, and came up with a question.
There is a diagonal at the rear of the rib. It's between the "aileron beam"
and the trailing edge. I would assume this only goes on aileron ribs. It
looks like it was originally a top and bottom gusset on this diagonal
member. These lines have been scratched out and Bill has drawn in one larger
rectangular gusset to cover the whole shape. Am I reading that correctly?
Then I wondered....if building the wing (and thusly the ailerons) to the
plans when using the Riblett, what purpose does that aileron diagonal serve?
The Piet plans show a 1/2" spruce brace that bolts to the aileron horn, that
would be roughly in the same position as that aileron diagonal. What am I
missing here?
Ryan
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Pieti Lowell <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>wrote:
> Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
>
> I found 2 cutters ( Old Style ) at St Vinnies, and put them on the shelf to
> sell for $3.00 each, they were sold in a day. will keep my eyes open for
> future donations, By the way I cut gussets with a heavy duty scissors Bent
> No 9 by Fiskars
> Pieti Lowell
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5321#205321
>
>
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