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1. 05:31 AM - Re: Steve Whittman, accident (Michael Silvius)
2. 07:06 AM - Re: and . . . another question (Lagowski Morrow)
3. 08:06 AM - It Flies (Lagowski Morrow)
4. 02:34 PM - Re: Steve Whittman, accident (shad bell)
5. 02:37 PM - Re: Steve Whittman, accident (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
6. 02:52 PM - Re: Steve Whittman, accident (Bill Church)
7. 03:34 PM - Re: Steve Whittman, accident (Michael Silvius)
8. 03:45 PM - Re: Steve Whittman, accident (Gene Rambo)
9. 04:09 PM - Re: Steve Whittman, accident (Owen Davies)
10. 09:08 PM - Re: Steve Whittman, accident (Ryan Mueller)
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| Subject: | Re: Steve Whittman, accident |
Ok Shad:
Dont leave us hanaging here!!!! inquiring minds want to know - - - -
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
I know a close friend of Whittman's, and heard some other
evidence as to what caused the crash, and it WAS NOT the fabric comming
loose. If any one wants to hear the other story I'll let you know.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: and . . . another question |
Gene, I used the 6 foot one . Makes a good gap closer. My recent test
flights indicate good aileron control.--Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: and . . . another question
I am looking at piano hinges for the ailerons. I am assuming that
everyone is using the loop type rather than the extruded type. The
longest length I can find is 6 ft though, and it looks like the aileron
needs a 7 ft hinge. What is everyone doing??
Gene
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NX221PT has been repaired after my landing "incident" in late July and
is back in the air. I'm exploring the flying envelope when weather
permits because the season is short here in Northern Michigan.
Many thanks to you out there for your comments, advice and offers of a
loaner prop. I am using a prop built by Lonnie Prince some years ago for
a Piet. but never really used due to c/g issues.
Jim Lagowski
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| Subject: | Re: Steve Whittman, accident |
I am told Steve had a bladder "problem" and he had to go more often than us
ual.- The accident airplane was designed specifically for Steve to fly no
n stop from Floridia to Oshkosh, and fast.- I guess he used to carry a pe
e bottle with him, especcially on long flights.- Well the only way he cou
ld pee was to loosen his belt, scoot to the edge of the seat and pee.- We
ll,- I am told Steve's body was found over a mile from the crash site.-
He fell out of the airplane!- That is the theory I guess, and he took of
f the horiz stab on his way out (180mph+).- Sounds crazy and tragic I kno
w, but to me it makes more sense than to say Whittman covered his airplane
wrong.- I don't know him from Adam but he built how many airplanes?- Al
l fast and similar construction.- May not be the case, but him and his wi
fe are the only one's who will ever know for sure.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Steve Whittman, accident |
Sounds like just as likely a scenario...
Boyce
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| Subject: | Steve Whittman, accident |
I think you're right...that does sound crazy.
Imagine how difficult it would be to push open a door in a 180 mph wind, and
pass through it, unwillingly.
And then, I would think the plane would travel quite a bit more than a mile
further than a non-aerodynamic human, unless the plane was flying really
low.
I don't buy it.
My Piet won't be travelling at speeds anywhere near 180 mph, but I'm going
to rib stitch my tail all the same.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Whittman, accident
... (180mph+). Sounds crazy and tragic I know ...
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| Subject: | Re: Steve Whittman, accident |
I think if I am not mistaken his wife was a pilot as well?
michael
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Whittman, accident
I am told Steve had a bladder "problem" and he had to go more
often than usual. The accident airplane was designed specifically for
Steve to fly non stop from Floridia to Oshkosh, and fast. I guess he
used to carry a pee bottle with him, especcially on long flights. Well
the only way he could pee was to loosen his belt, scoot to the edge of
the seat and pee. Well, I am told Steve's body was found over a mile
from the crash site. He fell out of the airplane! That is the theory I
guess, and he took off the horiz stab on his way out (180mph+). Sounds
crazy and tragic I know, but to me it makes more sense than to say
Whittman covered his airplane wrong. I don't know him from Adam but he
built how many airplanes? All fast and similar construction. May not
be the case, but him and his wife are the only one's who will ever know
for sure.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Steve Whittman, accident |
I don't claim to be a "good friend", but I knew Steve fairly well. I
think the falling out thing is preposterous. As far as I know, the
fabric on the aileron was the cause of the accident.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church<mailto:eng@canadianrogers.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:51 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Steve Whittman, accident
I think you're right...that does sound crazy.
Imagine how difficult it would be to push open a door in a 180 mph
wind, and pass through it, unwillingly.
And then, I would think the plane would travel quite a bit more than a
mile further than a non-aerodynamic human, unless the plane was flying
really low.
I don't buy it.
My Piet won't be travelling at speeds anywhere near 180 mph, but I'm
going to rib stitch my tail all the same.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad
bell
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:29 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Whittman, accident
... (180mph+). Sounds crazy and tragic I know ...
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| Subject: | Re: Steve Whittman, accident |
shad bell wrote:
> I am told Steve had a bladder "problem" and he had to go more often
> than usual... (etc.)
When the Wittmans died, I had recently chatted with one of his neighbors
in Ocala, a Tailwind owner whose name I no longer recall. I phoned him
something less than a week after the accident--I think it was two or
three days--to ask what had happened. His version was that Mr. Wittman
had indeed treated his Ceconite as if he had been using Grade A cotton.
He had no doubt that it had peeled as the official report claimed.
However, the report was incomplete. Immediately after the accident, he
had talked to one of the tower personnel who was on duty when the
accident occurred. According to that conversation, the O-and-O Special
disappeared from radar immediately after its path intersected that of a
B-2 bomber about five miles away! The tower guy had no doubt that the
Wittmans had been brought down by wake turbulence. So if the fabric
peeled, it probably did so after the airplane was radically overstressed.
By the next day, the tower personnel had been ordered to keep their
traps shut. The bomber was never mentioned again, and the official story
claimed that there had been nothing in the air at the time.
Sounds like the world I live in! YMMV.
Owen
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| Subject: | Re: Steve Whittman, accident |
I had a third cousin, twice removed, that used to work with this guy...can't
remember his name, that knew a woman that worked for a guy at the FAA (who
wished to remain nameless). She saw a copy of a report co-authored by the
Alabama Department of Aviation and Department of Agriculture. They concluded
that the aircraft had overflown a large dairy farm prior to the crash. They
entered a large pocket of methane gas (bovine turbulence) over said farm,
causing the subsequent departure from controlled flight and eventual
destruction of the aircraft. A number of witnesses came forward claiming
they had noticed a suspicious man on a grassy knoll just prior to the time
of the accident. Those witnesses have since mysteriously disappeared.
I'm kinda sorry I even brought it up. Sheesh.. :P
Good night all!
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On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Owen Davies <owen5819@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> shad bell wrote:
>
>> I am told Steve had a bladder "problem" and he had to go more often than
>> usual... (etc.)
>>
> When the Wittmans died, I had recently chatted with one of his neighbors in
> Ocala, a Tailwind owner whose name I no longer recall. I phoned him
> something less than a week after the accident--I think it was two or three
> days--to ask what had happened. His version was that Mr. Wittman had indeed
> treated his Ceconite as if he had been using Grade A cotton. He had no doubt
> that it had peeled as the official report claimed.
>
> However, the report was incomplete. Immediately after the accident, he had
> talked to one of the tower personnel who was on duty when the accident
> occurred. According to that conversation, the O-and-O Special disappeared
> from radar immediately after its path intersected that of a B-2 bomber about
> five miles away! The tower guy had no doubt that the Wittmans had been
> brought down by wake turbulence. So if the fabric peeled, it probably did so
> after the airplane was radically overstressed.
>
> By the next day, the tower personnel had been ordered to keep their traps
> shut. The bomber was never mentioned again, and the official story claimed
> that there had been nothing in the air at the time.
>
> Sounds like the world I live in! YMMV.
>
> Owen
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