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1. 03:29 AM - Re: Pietenpol list (Tim White)
2. 09:34 AM - Mid-Air "Pit Stop" (TBYH@aol.com)
3. 10:21 AM - Re: Mid-Air "Pit Stop" (amsafetyc@aol.com)
4. 02:08 PM - Re: Radial engines/types/price (Pieti Lowell)
5. 03:19 PM - Re: Radial engines/types/price (Ryan Mueller)
6. 05:34 PM - 30 year old Weldwood Plastic Resin (ureaformaldehyde) glue still stronger than spruce (Steve Ruse)
7. 05:38 PM - Piet vs. T-28 (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 05:51 PM - Re: 30 year old Weldwood Plastic Resin (ureaformaldehyde) glue still stronger than spruce (Steve Ruse)
9. 06:12 PM - Re: Radial engines/types/price (Dick Navratil)
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol list |
Amen
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From: TGSTONE236@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol list
Can we verify that this is a Pietenpol list and not a BS section list?
Enough is enough
I just want useful information. That is what I thought this list was
about.
Ted Stone
do not archive
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| Subject: | Mid-Air "Pit Stop" |
One of our local WW2 P-51 pilots, Johnny Salsman, was telling me about how on
a long mission one of their pilots had to go -- not just #1 but #2. He didn't
know what to do so Johnny (357th FG, 364th FS) told him via the radio to
carefully pull his pants down, slide his map under his rear end and let' er go.
This worked okay...right up until the "relieved" pilot cracked the canopy to
throw the whole mess out...Johnny simultaneously, but an instant too late, called
over to tell him DO NOT OPEN THE CANOPY!!!
Well you can imagine what a 275 mph or more windspeed did with the map and
its "contents!"
Johnny said that when they got back to England the pilot was so embarassed
that he didn't even let his crew clean out the cockpit of his Mustang -- he did
it himself!
True story. But as my late Mom would say, "Enough to gag a maggot!"
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| Subject: | Re: Mid-Air "Pit Stop" |
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| Subject: | Re: Radial engines/types/price |
A number of years ago I installed a Werner 145 on my Piet, and the climb rate exceeded
2000 FPM, weight was up there but I never changed anything, the range
was restricted, and was at Brodhead a couple times. I later installed a Lambert
90 HP , and this was perfect, this engine will be at Brodhead next year on another
Piet.This Lambert was at Brodhead for the last two years. I put together
a couple more Lamberts that will show up on Piets.Most of these engines were
purchased for under $7.000.00 with fresh overhauls. There was a Kinner on a Piet
a number of years ago. As well as a La blond by the Brodhead boys, and it
won the Wright award in 1998. Any dependable round engine of 300 LBS or less will
work, and look good. The engines are around, visit the old collectors of parts
and put one together, you would be amazed at the performance.
Pieti Lowell
Thank you.
> [b]
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6483#206483
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| Subject: | Re: Radial engines/types/price |
Michael,
Do you have an idea of what you are willing to spend on an engine? For
points of reference, our William Wynne based Corvair conversion will run us
about $6k by the time we are done. Small Continentals can be had in that
ballpark. (two examples of more common Piet powerplant options)
Ryan
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Looking at all my engine options, what does the Piet. people know about
> radials for our planes? How about types available and prices?
>
> Thank you
>
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| Subject: | 30 year old Weldwood Plastic Resin (ureaformaldehyde) |
glue still stronger than spruce
I had an interesting failure on my airplane today. I was taking a 180
pound passenger up for a ride, and about halfway through our takeoff
roll, the rudder locked in place. I immediately throttled to idle and
rolled to a stop. Turned out his seat had broken going over a bump, and
fell directly on top of the rudder pedals, which then supported all of
his weight. Could've been dangerous during a landing, as I had no
rudder control.
The interesting thing was the mode of failure. The seat was improperly
made, the 1"x1" stringers under the seat that run from front to back on
the seat bottom did not sit ON the rear support. Instead, they butted
up against another 1"x1" that sat on the rear support. They should've
been extended beside the rear stringer, so they would've carried the
load all the way to the rear support. I hope that makes sense, if not
let me know and I'll clarify.
The interesting part is that the glue did not fail, the wood did in
almost all joints. It even split one of the 3/4" x 1" stringers nearly
in half. I've been wondering how well the glue joints maintain their
strength over time in an airplane like mine. Hopefully the pictures
will explain better.
Pictures are here:
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/brokenseat/
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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Corky's handiwork got an enthusiastic thumbs-up from a T-28 pilot today. The Trojan
taxied by as Tim Willis and I stood discussing wing ribs and metal fittings
with John, another Piet builder, at Boerne Stage airfield. With the canopy
slid back, the pilot of the gleaming polished aluminum T-28 slowed as he went
by and gave a big thumbs-up.
On the way back to my home field, I thought about the logistics of his fun flight
vs. mine: 4 gal./hr. for the A65 on my airplane and probably 80 gal./hr. for
the R-1820 on his ;o) "No delay" takes on a whole new meaning when it costs
so much to run those big radials.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: 30 year old Weldwood Plastic Resin (ureaformaldehyde) |
glue still stronger than spruce
As a side note, I now need a very small quantity of 1/4" spruce plywood
and a few feet of 1"x1" spruce stock. Where would be a good place to
find such a small quantity? Should I just try to find some from a local
builder?
Thanks,
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Ruse
To: Pietenpol List
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 7:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 30 year old Weldwood Plastic Resin
(ureaformaldehyde) glue still stronger than spruce
I had an interesting failure on my airplane today. I was taking a 180
pound passenger up for a ride, and about halfway through our takeoff
roll, the rudder locked in place. I immediately throttled to idle and
rolled to a stop. Turned out his seat had broken going over a bump, and
fell directly on top of the rudder pedals, which then supported all of
his weight. Could've been dangerous during a landing, as I had no
rudder control.
The interesting thing was the mode of failure. The seat was
improperly made, the 1"x1" stringers under the seat that run from front
to back on the seat bottom did not sit ON the rear support. Instead,
they butted up against another 1"x1" that sat on the rear support. They
should've been extended beside the rear stringer, so they would've
carried the load all the way to the rear support. I hope that makes
sense, if not let me know and I'll clarify.
The interesting part is that the glue did not fail, the wood did in
almost all joints. It even split one of the 3/4" x 1" stringers nearly
in half. I've been wondering how well the glue joints maintain their
strength over time in an airplane like mine. Hopefully the pictures
will explain better.
Pictures are here:
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/brokenseat/
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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| Subject: | Re: Radial engines/types/price |
Michael
I am flying a Piet with the Rotec R2800 radial. It performs very nicely
and burns about 5.5gph. It weighs over 250 lbs.
You will have to contact Rotec Radial Engines for price info, as the
dollar has changed since I bought it and they are in Australia.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 12:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Radial engines/types/price
Looking at all my engine options, what does the Piet. people
know about radials for our planes? How about types available and prices?
Thank you.
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