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1. 04:01 AM - Re: Aileron Hinge (Jack T. Textor)
2. 08:36 AM - Re: front seat repairs (Skip Gadd)
3. 08:48 AM - Re: Pietenpol on Barnstormers? (Gene & Tammy)
4. 09:01 AM - Re: Aileron Hinge (Bill Church)
5. 12:40 PM - Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
6. 12:58 PM - Re: front seat repairs (Rick Holland)
7. 01:02 PM - Re: Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in (Gary Boothe)
8. 03:31 PM - Re: Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in (Skip Gadd)
9. 04:06 PM - Yellow Piet (Gary Boothe)
10. 06:32 PM - Re: Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in (Don Emch)
11. 08:44 PM - Aileron hinge screws (Richard Schreiber)
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Rich,
I too used 8-32. I countersunk only about =BD the head, which left me
plenty of clearance. Make sure you offset the holes so the head won't
hit when the hinge is closed. I used three screws between each rib.
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinge
I ready to mount my aluminum piano hinges on my ailerons. I plan on
using flat head machine screws with a 100 deg. bevel as a number of
others have done. My question is what size? If I were using hex head
bolts or round head screws, I'm sure that 6-32's would be OK. With the
countersunk heads do I need to go to an 8-32 or even a 10-32 to make
sure the heads hold in the aluminum?
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, In
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| Subject: | Re: front seat repairs |
I'm one step ahead of you Rick ;o)
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
Sent: 10/1/2008 10:43:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: front seat repairs
Hey Skip
That first picture looks kinda like one of those square toilet seats you see over
in Europe. You mount a bed pan under there and you may have an excellent solution
to those bladder and gasto-intestinal problems we talk about having all
the time on those long flights.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol on Barnstormers? |
Roy, for info, e-mail me off list at zharvey@bellsouth.net.
Gene
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Roy Brooks
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol on Barnstormers?
As many of you know, I'm too arthritic, stove-up, decrepit to finish
my Piet project and I was looking on Barnstormers and came across the
below listed ad.
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The "secret" here is fastener spacing. If you use smaller fasteners, you
need to use more of them, and space them closer together. A #6 screw will
have about 70% of the load carrying capacity of a #8 screw (based on
cross-sectional area). But these screws are not really under a lot of
stress. The limiting factor here is really going to be the screw head making
contact with the hinge. And since the hinge thickness is less than the depth
of the countersunk screw head, it won't really make any difference whether
you use a #6, #8, #10 or even 1/4" bolts for that matter. All you have to
work with is the thickness of the hinge leaf, which is probably only .04" or
.05". Using 100 degree flat head screws is definitely an improvement over
standard 80 degree screws. Another option is to use a low profile screw
head, such as a washer head or truss head screw (these are not countersunk).
In #6 or #8 size, the height of the screw head will be approximately the
same as the diameter of the hinge pin (and thus, also the same as the gap
between the leaves of the hinge when closed). This type of screw is much
better suited to this application, where the countersunk screw head cannot
possibly be used to it's full potential (due to limited thickness of the
material being countersunk). In this case it is important to stagger the
holes on opposing leaves of the hinge, to avoid having the screw heads
collide when the hinge is closed.
Bill C.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Schreiber
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinge
I ready to mount my aluminum piano hinges on my ailerons. I plan on using
flat head machine screws with a 100 deg. bevel as a number of others have
done. My question is what size? If I were using hex head bolts or round head
screws, I'm sure that 6-32's would be OK. With the countersunk heads do I
need to go to an 8-32 or even a 10-32 to make sure the heads hold in the
aluminum?
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, In
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| Subject: | Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in |
Skip,
That is a phenomenal fly-in with many gorgeous antique and homebuilts
showing up. Lots of classics too like Champs, Luscombes
and Cubs. A DC-3 flew in (Ron Alexander's Poly Fiber DC-3) and a
Lockheed Electra Junior. There was a gorgeous turbine
Grumman Goose too. Very scenic airport. For anyone who would like to
find out more about Lee Bottom Flying Field go here:
http://www.leebottom.com/
R.T. (Robert) Searfoss and his intrepid and very kind wife accompanied
him in his Pietenpol for the flight from Syracuse, Indiana. Don Emch
was not present. Here is a photo of Robert's nice Pietenpol which he
brought to the 2007 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: front seat repairs |
Dang Skip, is there no end to the ingenuity of Piet builders?
You are a genius.
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Skip Gadd <skipgadd@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I'm one step ahead of you Rick ;o)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> *To: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* 10/1/2008 10:43:50 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: front seat repairs
>
> Hey Skip
>
> That first picture looks kinda like one of those square toilet seats you
> see over in Europe. You mount a bed pan under there and you may have an
> excellent solution to those bladder and gasto-intestinal problems we talk
> about having all the time on those long flights.
>
> Rick
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in |
Mike,
I have looked at a LOT of pictures of your Piet, but, for many reasons,
that's my favorite by far!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(11 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in
Skip,
That is a phenomenal fly-in with many gorgeous antique and homebuilts
showing up. Lots of classics too like Champs, Luscombes
and Cubs. A DC-3 flew in (Ron Alexander's Poly Fiber DC-3) and a Lockheed
Electra Junior. There was a gorgeous turbine
Grumman Goose too. Very scenic airport. For anyone who would like to find
out more about Lee Bottom Flying Field go here: http://www.leebottom.com/
R.T. (Robert) Searfoss and his intrepid and very kind wife accompanied him
in his Pietenpol for the flight from Syracuse, Indiana. Don Emch
was not present. Here is a photo of Robert's nice Pietenpol which he
brought to the 2007 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in |
Thanks Mike, my mistake. Roberts Piet is a beauty.
Did you meet the guy with the yellow Piet?
Skip
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Yellow Piet looks like it has an extra long center section with tipped out
cabanes.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, working on fuselage
(11 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skip Gadd
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:30 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in
Thanks Mike, my mistake. Roberts Piet is a beauty.
Did you meet the guy with the yellow Piet?
Skip
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| Subject: | Re: Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in |
I wanted sooo bad to go down there last weekend. I even planned out a two leg
flight. Some year I really want to make it. It's great to see there was a cool
representation of Piets there! Oh well.....someday....
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7204#207204
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| Subject: | Aileron hinge screws |
Thanks Bill and Jack for the response. I think I will go with 8-32 washer head
screws. I did think of only partially counter sinking the flat head screws, but
they would probably wind up being as high above the hinge as the washer head
screw.
Rick Schreiber
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