---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/02/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:01 AM - Re: Aileron Hinge (Jack T. Textor) 2. 08:36 AM - Re: front seat repairs (Skip Gadd) 3. 08:48 AM - Re: Pietenpol on Barnstormers? (Gene & Tammy) 4. 09:01 AM - Re: Aileron Hinge (Bill Church) 5. 12:40 PM - Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 6. 12:58 PM - Re: front seat repairs (Rick Holland) 7. 01:02 PM - Re: Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in (Gary Boothe) 8. 03:31 PM - Re: Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in (Skip Gadd) 9. 04:06 PM - Yellow Piet (Gary Boothe) 10. 06:32 PM - Re: Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in (Don Emch) 11. 08:44 PM - Aileron hinge screws (Richard Schreiber) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:56 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinge From: "Jack T. Textor" Rich, I too used 8-32. I countersunk only about =BD the head, which left me plenty of clearance. Make sure you offset the holes so the head won't hit when the hinge is closed. I used three screws between each rib. Jack www.textors.com Jack Textor Vice President 3737 Woodland Avenue Suite #300 West Des Moines, IA 50266 515-225-7000 www.thepalmergroup.com This e-mail, including attachments, is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential, and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, and then please delete it. Thank you. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinge I ready to mount my aluminum piano hinges on my ailerons. I plan on using flat head machine screws with a 100 deg. bevel as a number of others have done. My question is what size? If I were using hex head bolts or round head screws, I'm sure that 6-32's would be OK. With the countersunk heads do I need to go to an 8-32 or even a 10-32 to make sure the heads hold in the aluminum? Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, In ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:40 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: front seat repairs I'm one step ahead of you Rick ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland Sent: 10/1/2008 10:43:50 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: front seat repairs Hey Skip That first picture looks kinda like one of those square toilet seats you see over in Europe. You mount a bed pan under there and you may have an excellent solution to those bladder and gasto-intestinal problems we talk about having all the time on those long flights. Rick ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:24 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol on Barnstormers? Roy, for info, e-mail me off list at zharvey@bellsouth.net. Gene Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Brooks To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol on Barnstormers? As many of you know, I'm too arthritic, stove-up, decrepit to finish my Piet project and I was looking on Barnstormers and came across the below listed ad. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:57 AM PST US From: "Bill Church" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinge The "secret" here is fastener spacing. If you use smaller fasteners, you need to use more of them, and space them closer together. A #6 screw will have about 70% of the load carrying capacity of a #8 screw (based on cross-sectional area). But these screws are not really under a lot of stress. The limiting factor here is really going to be the screw head making contact with the hinge. And since the hinge thickness is less than the depth of the countersunk screw head, it won't really make any difference whether you use a #6, #8, #10 or even 1/4" bolts for that matter. All you have to work with is the thickness of the hinge leaf, which is probably only .04" or .05". Using 100 degree flat head screws is definitely an improvement over standard 80 degree screws. Another option is to use a low profile screw head, such as a washer head or truss head screw (these are not countersunk). In #6 or #8 size, the height of the screw head will be approximately the same as the diameter of the hinge pin (and thus, also the same as the gap between the leaves of the hinge when closed). This type of screw is much better suited to this application, where the countersunk screw head cannot possibly be used to it's full potential (due to limited thickness of the material being countersunk). In this case it is important to stagger the holes on opposing leaves of the hinge, to avoid having the screw heads collide when the hinge is closed. Bill C. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Schreiber Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinge I ready to mount my aluminum piano hinges on my ailerons. I plan on using flat head machine screws with a 100 deg. bevel as a number of others have done. My question is what size? If I were using hex head bolts or round head screws, I'm sure that 6-32's would be OK. With the countersunk heads do I need to go to an 8-32 or even a 10-32 to make sure the heads hold in the aluminum? Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, In ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Skip, That is a phenomenal fly-in with many gorgeous antique and homebuilts showing up. Lots of classics too like Champs, Luscombes and Cubs. A DC-3 flew in (Ron Alexander's Poly Fiber DC-3) and a Lockheed Electra Junior. There was a gorgeous turbine Grumman Goose too. Very scenic airport. For anyone who would like to find out more about Lee Bottom Flying Field go here: http://www.leebottom.com/ R.T. (Robert) Searfoss and his intrepid and very kind wife accompanied him in his Pietenpol for the flight from Syracuse, Indiana. Don Emch was not present. Here is a photo of Robert's nice Pietenpol which he brought to the 2007 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:07 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: front seat repairs Dang Skip, is there no end to the ingenuity of Piet builders? You are a genius. On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Skip Gadd wrote: > I'm one step ahead of you Rick ;o) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick Holland > *To: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* 10/1/2008 10:43:50 PM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: front seat repairs > > Hey Skip > > That first picture looks kinda like one of those square toilet seats you > see over in Europe. You mount a bed pan under there and you may have an > excellent solution to those bladder and gasto-intestinal problems we talk > about having all the time on those long flights. > > Rick > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:35 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in Mike, I have looked at a LOT of pictures of your Piet, but, for many reasons, that's my favorite by far! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (11 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in Skip, That is a phenomenal fly-in with many gorgeous antique and homebuilts showing up. Lots of classics too like Champs, Luscombes and Cubs. A DC-3 flew in (Ron Alexander's Poly Fiber DC-3) and a Lockheed Electra Junior. There was a gorgeous turbine Grumman Goose too. Very scenic airport. For anyone who would like to find out more about Lee Bottom Flying Field go here: http://www.leebottom.com/ R.T. (Robert) Searfoss and his intrepid and very kind wife accompanied him in his Pietenpol for the flight from Syracuse, Indiana. Don Emch was not present. Here is a photo of Robert's nice Pietenpol which he brought to the 2007 Brodhead Pietenpol Fly-In. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:11 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in Thanks Mike, my mistake. Roberts Piet is a beauty. Did you meet the guy with the yellow Piet? Skip ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:56 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Yellow Piet Yellow Piet looks like it has an extra long center section with tipped out cabanes. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (11 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skip Gadd Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:30 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in Thanks Mike, my mistake. Roberts Piet is a beauty. Did you meet the guy with the yellow Piet? Skip ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Correction: Lee Bottom fly-in From: "Don Emch" I wanted sooo bad to go down there last weekend. I even planned out a two leg flight. Some year I really want to make it. It's great to see there was a cool representation of Piets there! Oh well.....someday.... Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7204#207204 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:12 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron hinge screws Thanks Bill and Jack for the response. I think I will go with 8-32 washer head screws. I did think of only partially counter sinking the flat head screws, but they would probably wind up being as high above the hinge as the washer head screw. 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