---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/05/08: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:36 AM - Latex paint status report (Rick Holland) 2. 12:50 PM - Latex paint status report (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 12:59 PM - Re: Latex paint status report (Gary Boothe) 4. 03:33 PM - 3-Piece Wing Rib Question () 5. 03:52 PM - Re: 3-Piece Wing Rib Question (Richard Schreiber) 6. 04:16 PM - Re: 3-Piece Wing Rib Question (Rick Holland) 7. 04:22 PM - Fw: Latex paint status report (Rick Holland) 8. 04:36 PM - Latex status report (again) (Rick Holland) 9. 04:39 PM - Latex status report pictures - 1 (Rick Holland) 10. 04:40 PM - Latex status report pictures - 2 (Rick Holland) 11. 04:42 PM - Latex status report pictures - 3 (Rick Holland) 12. 07:05 PM - elevator cables: in good company (Oscar Zuniga) 13. 08:20 PM - Re: 3-Piece Wing Rib Question () 14. 08:37 PM - Re: Latex status report pictures - 3 (charles loomis) 15. 09:04 PM - Re: 3-Piece Wing Rib Question (Ryan Mueller) 16. 11:05 PM - Re: Latex status report pictures - 3 () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:23 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Latex paint status report ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:46 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Latex paint status report Rick; there was nothing in your email. Inquiring minds want to hear your update on latex paint; thanks. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:46 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Latex paint status report The server 'washed' it out...;<) Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (endless metal parts!) (12 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 12:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Latex paint status report Rick; there was nothing in your email. Inquiring minds want to hear your update on latex paint; thanks. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:57 PM PST US From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3-Piece Wing Rib Question If I am building the 3-piece wing, do I need to build 6 ribs with the additional bracing, instead of two as called for on the plans? Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:51 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3-Piece Wing Rib Question Thats what I did, with 1/16" ply sheeting on the outside of the butt ribs of the two wing halves and the outside two ribs on the center section. Rick Schreiber > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 10/5/2008 5:37:02 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3-Piece Wing Rib Question > > > If I am building the 3-piece wing, do I need to build 6 ribs with the > additional bracing, instead of two as called for on the plans? > > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, Ca > Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:29 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3-Piece Wing Rib Question Ditto. Some say the 1/16 ply on one side of the six "outside" ribs is not needed but others say it makes covering the ends easier (and with very little extra weight). Rick On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Richard Schreiber wrote: > lmforge@earthlink.net> > > Thats what I did, with 1/16" ply sheeting on the outside of the butt ribs > of the two wing halves and the outside two ribs on the center section. > > Rick Schreiber > > > > [Original Message] > > From: > > To: > > Date: 10/5/2008 5:37:02 PM > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3-Piece Wing Rib Question > > > > > > If I am building the 3-piece wing, do I need to build 6 ribs with the > > additional bracing, instead of two as called for on the plans? > > > > Chris Tracy > > Sacramento, Ca > > Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:51 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Latex paint status report ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:16 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Latex status report (again) For anyone thinking of using Latex paint on their Piet - I screwed a test panel to a fence post three years ago facing true South. The panel was covered with medium weight fabric attached with polytak. One side was finished with one coat of Poly Brush and three coats of Sherwin Williams yellow gloss exterior house paint (the second from the highest quality grade) the other side with four coats of latex only(all brushed on). I live in Colorado which has over 300 sunny days a year at 6700 ft. That results in about 25% more UV radiation than sea level. Anyhow, a punch test was done a couple of weeks ago on both sides of the panel, and the results: Side with one coat poly brush and three latex - three punches went through at around 80 Side with four coats of latex only - three punches would not punch through at the max range of the punch tester. In addition the finish on the panel looks just as good today as it did when I put it out there three years ago. Since this message doesn't come through when I attach the pictures I will try sending them separately. Rick -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:53 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Latex status report pictures - 1 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:35 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Latex status report pictures - 2 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:12 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Latex status report pictures - 3 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:59 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: elevator cables: in good company Just getting around to reading some of my magazines and gazing at the gorgeous Tiger Moth on the cover of the May issue of Sport Aviation, it dawned on me that the elevator cables on that beautiful airplane are rubbing on the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer, just like the Pietenpol. Who says Mr. Pietenpol made a mistake in the cable geometry?!!! ;o) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC, with elevator cables proudly rubbing the LE of the HS San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:14 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3-Piece Wing Rib Question Thanks Guys, it sounds like I need to make 4 more. One clarification. I think I only need the plywood on the two center section and the two inner wing panel ribs. Basically the 4 new ones needed because if the 3-piece design. Is this correct? Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3-Piece Wing Rib Question Ditto. Some say the 1/16 ply on one side of the six "outside" ribs is not needed but others say it makes covering the ends easier (and with very little extra weight). Rick On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Richard Schreiber wrote: Thats what I did, with 1/16" ply sheeting on the outside of the butt ribs of the two wing halves and the outside two ribs on the center section. Rick Schreiber > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 10/5/2008 5:37:02 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3-Piece Wing Rib Question > > > If I am building the 3-piece wing, do I need to build 6 ribs with the > additional bracing, instead of two as called for on the plans? > > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, Ca > Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com > > > > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:17 PM PST US From: charles loomis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Latex status report pictures - 3 I'm very interested in this test, but the server kicked the pics again, what about posting them in the Yahoo, Pietenpol group? Charley --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Rick Holland wrote: > From: Rick Holland > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Latex status report pictures - 3 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 10:40 AM > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:48 PM PST US From: "Ryan Mueller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3-Piece Wing Rib Question Chris, As I read it, 6 total ribs with the reinforcements for the 3-piece wing. One at the end of each wing panel (total of 2), one at the root of each wing panel (total of 2), one each at the outboard ends of the center section (total of 2). If you choose to skin the wing root and center section ribs, then you would be adding the plywood to 4 out of those 6 ribs. As viewed from the pilot's seat, 2 ribs would have the plywood on the right side (for the left wing panel root and the right side of the center section), and 2 ribs would have plywood on the left side (for the right wing panel root and the left side of the center section). If that makes sense... :P This may be a stupid question, but for clarification: if you decide to skin the ribs you would omit the gussets from that side, and instead apply 3 large "skins". One from leading edge of the rib to the forward side of the front spar, one from the rear side of the front spar to the front side of the rear spar, and finally one from the rear side of the rear spar to the trailing edge of the rib. If holes need to be cut for cables, etc, you would do so. Would that be the correct basic procedure? Ryan On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:15 PM, wrote: > Thanks Guys, it sounds like I need to make 4 more. One clarification. I > think I only need the plywood on the two center section and the two inner > wing panel ribs. Basically the 4 new ones needed because if the 3-piece > design. Is this correct? > > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, Ca > Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:59 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Latex status report pictures - 3 Rick, send them to me and I will put them on my web page. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Holland" Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 4:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Latex status report pictures - 3 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.