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1. 06:53 AM - week-end breakfast fly-in (Lawrence Williams)
2. 07:04 AM - Re: week-end breakfast fly-in (Jim Markle)
3. 09:11 AM - Re: week-end breakfast fly-in (Roy Brooks)
4. 09:37 AM - Re: week-end breakfast fly-in (Rick Holland)
5. 03:43 PM - Prop Carving Report (helspersew@aol.com)
6. 04:34 PM - Re: Prop Carving Report (Tim Willis)
7. 04:45 PM - Re: Prop Carving Report (Ryan Mueller)
8. 07:33 PM - Re: Prop Carving Report (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
9. 08:15 PM - Re: Prop Carving Report (Steve Ruse)
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| Subject: | week-end breakfast fly-in |
Pieters!!- (wow, not too sure if THAT'S politically correct)
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I had a wonderful experience yesterday that's worth sharing.
-
I was at an EAA fly-in breakfast with my Piet here in central Arkansas and
as I was getting ready to leave a really ancient couple slowly made their w
ay through the gaggle of kibitzers straight toward me. Being respectful of
their advanced years (and expecting the same from you young whippersnappers
) I calmly waited for them with a big smile.
-
Shortening the story a bit; the wife introduced her husband as being 91 yea
rs old and having learned to fly in Dayton, Ohio at the age of 18. By my re
ckoning that would have been about 1935-36. Anyway his lessons were in a Pi
etenpol!! He was a little fuzzy about details but as he made his way around
my plane pointing, nodding and smiling, I could tell he was having a good
time remembering.
-
Their son is buying a lot at the airport community where I live so maybe I
can get more details and possibly a picture or two from him in the future.
-
Larry W.
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| Subject: | Re: week-end breakfast fly-in |
That's a nice story.....thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Williams
To: Pietlist
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: week-end breakfast fly-in
Pieters!! (wow, not too sure if THAT'S politically correct)
I had a wonderful experience yesterday that's worth sharing.
I was at an EAA fly-in breakfast with my Piet here in central
Arkansas and as I was getting ready to leave a really ancient couple
slowly made their way through the gaggle of kibitzers straight toward
me. Being respectful of their advanced years (and expecting the same
from you young whippersnappers) I calmly waited for them with a big
smile.
Shortening the story a bit; the wife introduced her husband as
being 91 years old and having learned to fly in Dayton, Ohio at the age
of 18. By my reckoning that would have been about 1935-36. Anyway his
lessons were in a Pietenpol!! He was a little fuzzy about details but as
he made his way around my plane pointing, nodding and smiling, I could
tell he was having a good time remembering.
Their son is buying a lot at the airport community where I live
so maybe I can get more details and possibly a picture or two from him
in the future.
Larry W.
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| Subject: | week-end breakfast fly-in |
Larry:
Very neat story and I'm happy I opened this one to read. Most of the times
=2C I simply delete stuff from "the list" but this was a great story. (I al
so liked the "whippersnappers" part.)
My dad learned to fly about the same time as the subject of your e-mail=2C
and I often wish we had time-machines to go back to that period in aviation
=2C to re-live a golden age... Then I think to myself=2C "Idiot=2C we do ha
ve time machines=2C they are called Pietenpols." and I have one (a project)
sitting in a hanger... too beat-up to finish it=2C but someday someone wil
l and they too can fly back to the 30s=2C in their own "time machine."
From: lnawms@yahoo.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: week-end breakfast fly-in
Pieters!! (wow=2C not too sure if THAT'S politically correct)
I had a wonderful experience yesterday that's worth sharing.
I was at an EAA fly-in breakfast with my Piet here in central Arkansas and
as I was getting ready to leave a really ancient couple slowly made their w
ay through the gaggle of kibitzers straight toward me. Being respectful of
their advanced years (and expecting the same from you young whippersnappers
) I calmly waited for them with a big smile.
Shortening the story a bit=3B the wife introduced her husband as being 91 y
ears old and having learned to fly in Dayton=2C Ohio at the age of 18. By m
y reckoning that would have been about 1935-36. Anyway his lessons were in
a Pietenpol!! He was a little fuzzy about details but as he made his way ar
ound my plane pointing=2C nodding and smiling=2C I could tell he was having
a good time remembering.
Their son is buying a lot at the airport community where I live so maybe I
can get more details and possibly a picture or two from him in the future.
Larry W.
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| Subject: | Re: week-end breakfast fly-in |
I have an old black and white picture of a Pietenpol parked in a field in
front of a fence with an old fashioned bicycle parted behind that my wife
purchased off of ebay (on that old cardboard type paper). I keep it stuck to
my bedroom mirror. It has the date 1936 written on the back, could be the
plane the 91 year old gentleman learned in.
An as far as going back in time to the golden age I think visiting Broadhead
is as close as we can get to that.
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Roy Brooks <n900ml@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Larry:
>
> Very neat story and I'm happy I opened this one to read. Most of the times,
> I simply delete stuff from "the list" but this was a great story. (I also
> liked the "whippersnappers" part.)
>
> My dad learned to fly about the same time as the subject of your e-mail,
> and I often wish we had time-machines to go back to that period in aviation,
> to re-live a golden age... Then I think to myself, "Idiot, we do have time
> machines, they are called Pietenpols." and I have one (a project) sitting in
> a hanger... too beat-up to finish it, but someday someone will and they too
> can fly back to the 30s, in their own "time machine."
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:53:23 -0700
> From: lnawms@yahoo.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: week-end breakfast fly-in
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> Pieters!! (wow, not too sure if THAT'S politically correct)
>
> I had a wonderful experience yesterday that's worth sharing.
>
> I was at an EAA fly-in breakfast with my Piet here in central Arkansas and
> as I was getting ready to leave a really ancient couple slowly made their
> way through the gaggle of kibitzers straight toward me. Being respectful of
> their advanced years (and expecting the same from you young whippersnappers)
> I calmly waited for them with a big smile.
>
> Shortening the story a bit; the wife introduced her husband as being 91
> years old and having learned to fly in Dayton, Ohio at the age of 18. By my
> reckoning that would have been about 1935-36. Anyway his lessons were in a
> Pietenpol!! He was a little fuzzy about details but as he made his way
> around my plane pointing, nodding and smiling, I could tell he was having a
> good time remembering.
>
> Their son is buying a lot at the airport community where I live so maybe I
> can get more details and possibly a picture or two from him in the future.
>
> Larry W.
>
>
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| Subject: | Prop Carving Report |
Hello Good People!
I finished carving my prop last week. I made it from five boards of
3/4" ash. This has been without a doubt the most rewarding part of the
whole project, because it is a work of art that I thought I was not
really capable of doing. I used the "Jerry Thornhill" method of prop
carving. Last year at OSH I watched him carve the prop for the EAA
Bleriot replica. All power tools. The first step is to figure out what
pitch you want. Then after some simple calculations, lines can be drawn
along the leading and trailing edge for guidance. First you use an
electric chain saw to horse most of the material off. Then comes the 7"
diameter angle grinder with the rubber backing pad with 60 grit paper,
Then last comes the 5" diameter DeWalt vibrating/rotating sander with
150 grit paper. The only hand tool I used was a metal file to take off
the high spots, because there is such a difference in hardness between
the spring and summer wood of the ash tree that it leaves "waves"
depending on the grain direction. To get both blades identical I used a
12" long profile gauge (plastic) so I could compare one blade with the
other. I did not use any templates. I just "eyeballed" it as far as the
blade airfoil goes. After I was done carving I tried balancing and it
was so close to perfect I just left it. Attached are some photos.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Report |
Dan,
WOW! That just blows me away. Gorgeous. All those curves. I cannot imagine
having that good an eye or that degree of craftsmanship. You should be very proud.
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: helspersew@aol.com
>Sent: Oct 12, 2008 5:42 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report
>
>Hello Good People!
>
>
>I finished carving my prop last week. I made it from five boards of
>3/4" ash. This has been without a doubt the most rewarding part of the
>whole project, because it is a work of art that I thought I was not
>really capable of doing. I used the "Jerry Thornhill" method of prop
>carving. Last year at OSH I watched him carve the prop for the EAA
>Bleriot replica. All power tools. The first step is to figure out what
>pitch you want. Then after some simple calculations, lines can be drawn
>along the leading and trailing edge for guidance. First you use an
>electric chain saw to horse most of the material off. Then comes the 7"
>diameter angle grinder with the rubber backing pad with 60 grit paper,
>Then last comes the 5" diameter DeWalt vibrating/rotating sander with
>150 grit paper. The only hand tool I used was a metal file to take off
>the high spots, because there is such a difference in hardness between
>the spring and summer wood of the ash tree that it leaves "waves"
>depending on the grain direction. To get both blades identical I used a
>12" long profile gauge (plastic) so I could compare one blade with the
>other. I did not use any templates. I just "eyeballed" it as far as the
>blade airfoil goes. After I was done carving I tried balancing and it
>was so close to perfect I just left it. Attached are some photos.
>
>
>Dan Helsper
>
>Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Report |
I'll second that; absolutely beautiful! Congratulations Dan,
Ryan
do no archive
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>wrote:
> timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
> Dan,
> WOW! That just blows me away. Gorgeous. All those curves. I cannot
> imagine having that good an eye or that degree of craftsmanship. You should
> be very proud.
> Tim in central TX
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: helspersew@aol.com
> >Sent: Oct 12, 2008 5:42 PM
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report
> >
> >Hello Good People!
> >
> >
> >
> >I finished carving my prop last week. I made it from five boards of
> >3/4" ash. This has been without a doubt the most rewarding part of the
> >whole project, because it is a work of art that I thought I was not
> >really capable of doing. I used the "Jerry Thornhill" method of prop
> >carving. Last year at OSH I watched him carve the prop for the EAA
> >Bleriot replica. All power tools. The first step is to figure out what
> >pitch you want. Then after some simple calculations, lines can be drawn
> >along the leading and trailing edge for guidance. First you use an
> >electric chain saw to horse most of the material off. Then comes the 7"
> >diameter angle grinder with the rubber backing pad with 60 grit paper,
> >Then last comes the 5" diameter DeWalt vibrating/rotating sander with
> >150 grit paper. The only hand tool I used was a metal file to take off
> >the high spots, because there is such a difference in hardness between
> >the spring and summer wood of the ash tree that it leaves "waves"
> >depending on the grain direction. To get both blades identical I used a
> >12" long profile gauge (plastic) so I could compare one blade with the
> >other. I did not use any templates. I just "eyeballed" it as far as the
> >blade airfoil goes. After I was done carving I tried balancing and it
> >was so close to perfect I just left it. Attached are some photos.
> >
> >
> >
> >Dan Helsper
> >
> >Poplar Grove, IL
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Report |
Dan
That's great, really a piece of art. I too am impressed
John
In a message dated 10/12/2008 6:45:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
helspersew@aol.com writes:
Hello Good People!
I finished carving my prop last week. I made it from five boards of 3/4"
ash. This has been without a doubt the most rewarding part of the whole project,
because it is a work of art that I thought I was not really capable of
doing. I used the "Jerry Thornhill" method of prop carving. Last year at OSH I
watched him carve the prop for the EAA Bleriot replica. All power tools. The
first step is to figure out what pitch you want. Then after some simple
calculations, lines can be drawn along the leading and trailing edge for guidance.
First you use an electric chain saw to horse most of the material off. Then
comes the 7" diameter angle grinder with the rubber backing pad with 60 grit
paper, Then last comes the 5" diameter DeWalt vibrating/rotating sander with 150
grit paper. The only hand tool I used was a metal file to take off the high
spots, because there is such a difference in hardness between the spring and
summer wood of the ash tree that it leaves "waves" depending on the grain
direction. To get both blades identical I used a 12" long profile gauge
(plastic) so I could compare one blade with the other. I did not use any templates.
I
just "eyeballed" it as far as the blade airfoil goes. After I was done
carving I tried balancing and it was so close to perfect I just left it. Attached
are some photos.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Report |
Wow, that really, really looks great.
So, how do you like the performance? What kind of RPM do you get
compared to a "typical" prop on a Model A? Are there any advantages or
disadvantages to the scimitar shape?
Any estimate on the number of hours it took?
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report
Hello Good People!
I finished carving my prop last week. I made it from five boards of
3/4" ash. This has been without a doubt the most rewarding part of the
whole project, because it is a work of art that I thought I was not
really capable of doing. I used the "Jerry Thornhill" method of prop
carving. Last year at OSH I watched him carve the prop for the EAA
Bleriot replica. All power tools. The first step is to figure out what
pitch you want. Then after some simple calculations, lines can be drawn
along the leading and trailing edge for guidance. First you use an
electric chain saw to horse most of the material off. Then comes the 7"
diameter angle grinder with the rubber backing pad with 60 grit paper,
Then last comes the 5" diameter DeWalt vibrating/rotating sander with
150 grit paper. The only hand tool I used was a metal file to take off
the high spots, because there is such a difference in hardness between
the spring and summer wood of the ash tree that it leaves "waves"
depending on the grain direction. To get both blades identical I used a
12" long profile gauge (plastic) so I could compare one blade with the
other. I did not use any templates. I just "eyeballed" it as far as the
blade airfoil goes. After I was done carving I tried balancing and it
was so close to perfect I just left it. Attached are some photos.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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