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1. 03:24 AM - Re: Prop Carving Report, run-up report (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 09:24 AM - Re: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work (John Egan)
3. 11:19 AM - Charles Halibet (?) (Jack T. Textor)
4. 11:37 AM - Re: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work (amsafetyc@aol.com)
5. 11:49 AM - Re: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work (Phillips, Jack)
6. 12:07 PM - Re: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
7. 12:08 PM - Entry steps (helspersew@aol.com)
8. 01:05 PM - Re: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work (Phillips, Jack)
9. 03:11 PM - Re: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work (John Hofmann)
10. 04:38 PM - Re: Prop Carving Report (Glenn Thomas)
11. 06:52 PM - Re: Prop Carving Report (amsafetyc@aol.com)
12. 06:58 PM - Re: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work (amsafetyc@aol.com)
13. 07:50 PM - Re: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work (John Hofmann)
14. 07:51 PM - Narco ELT-10 battery corrosion (Oscar Zuniga)
15. 08:01 PM - Re: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work (John Hofmann)
16. 08:22 PM - Re: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work (Roman Bukolt)
17. 08:54 PM - Re: Narco ELT-10 battery corrosion (Ryan Mueller)
18. 11:47 PM - Re: Prop Carving Report, run-up report (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Report, run-up report |
Steve,
I had my initial run-up yesterday on my Model A. Except for a few leaks everything
went fabulous and the engine runs true and strong and smooth. That prop made
a lot of wind that is for sure. The static RPM was about 1900 or 2000 rpm the
best we could figure with a hand held electronic tach. I did not have my panel
mounted tach in their yet. We had three guys trying to hold the airplane back
and we could not and that wasn't even full power. So far I am very pleased
with that prop. I have a video of this event that I am going to put on YouTube
tonight. You guys will be the first to know. As for the advantages to the scimitar
shape I don't really know. I saw one just like this at Brodhead a few years
ago and took some pictures of it because I liked it so much. As for the number
of hours it took to carve, I would estimate this one took me about 20 hours
in all. This is the first prop I have ever made. If I made another I am sure
it would go alot faster, especially with this powe
r tool method. I think I might try hickory next time. Very quick compared to chisels,
draw knives etc., and a lot of fun I may add.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
Sent: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:14 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report
Wow, that really, really looks great.
?
So, how do you like the performance?? What
kind of RPM do you get compared to a "typical" prop on a Model A?? Are
there any advantages or disadvantages to the scimitar shape?
?
Any estimate on the number of hours it
took?
?
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
----- Original Message -----
From:
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:42
PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving
Report
Hello Good
People!
I finished carving my prop last week. I made it from five
boards of 3/4" ash. This has been without a doubt the most rewarding part of
the whole project, because it is a work of art that I thought I was not really
capable of doing. I used the "Jerry Thornhill" method of prop carving. Last
year at OSH I watched him carve the prop for the EAA Bleriot replica. All
power tools. The first step is to figure out what pitch you want. Then after
some simple calculations, lines can be drawn along the leading and trailing
edge for guidance. First you use an electric chain saw to horse most of the
material off. Then comes the 7" diameter angle grinder with the rubber backing
pad with 60 grit paper, Then last comes the 5" diameter DeWalt
vibrating/rotating sander with 150 grit paper. The only hand tool I used was
a
metal file to take off the high spots, because there is such a difference in
hardness between the spring and summer wood of the ash tree that it leaves
"waves" depending on the grain direction. To get both blades identical I used
a 12" long profile gauge (plastic) so I could compare one blade with the
other. I did not use any templates. I just "eyeballed" it as far as the blade
airfoil goes. After I was done carving I tried balancing and it was so close
to perfect I just left it. Attached are some photos.
Dan
Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work |
Dan and all Piet builders,=0A=0AAt the risk of filling our in boxes with mo
re of the same, I agree with the group on-your talant and willingness to
share your prop carving work.- Very nice work.- Thank you!=0A=0Ajohn eg
an=0A(fabricated a rear cockpit step last night...)=0AGreenville, Wi.=0A=0A
Do-not archive-=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "helsper
sew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent
: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:42:15 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carvi
ng Report=0A=0AHello Good People!=0A=0AI finished carving my prop last week
. I made it from five boards of 3/4" ash. This has been without a doubt the
most rewarding part of the whole project, because it is a work of art that
I thought I was not really capable of doing. I used the "Jerry Thornhill"
method of prop carving. Last year at OSH I watched him carve the prop for t
he EAA Bleriot replica. All power tools. The first step is to figure out wh
at pitch you want. Then after some simple calculations, lines can be drawn
along the leading and trailing edge for guidance. First you use an electric
chain saw to horse most of the material off. Then comes the 7" diameter an
gle grinder with the rubber backing pad with 60 grit paper, Then last comes
the 5" diameter DeWalt vibrating/rotating sander with 150 grit paper. The
only hand tool I used was a metal file to take off the high spots, because
there is such a difference in hardness between the spring and summer wood o
f the ash tree that it leaves
"waves" depending on the grain direction. To get both blades identical I u
sed a 12" long profile gauge (plastic) so I could compare one blade with th
e other. I did not use any templates. I just "eyeballed" it as far as the b
lade airfoil goes. After I was done carving I tried balancing and it was so
close to perfect I just left it. Attached are some photos.=0A=0ADan Helspe
r=0APoplar Grove, IL =0A=0A________________________________=0AMcCain or Oba
ma? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race while you browse - Do
wnload Now! =0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Charles Halibet (?) |
Charles left me a message with no area code. Charles if you are out
there give me a call back.
Thanks,
Jack
www.textors.com
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| Subject: | Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work |
Put them near the bottom. Easier to step on there than if they are on
the top.
Sorry - couldn't resist. I put mine on the left side, because it just
felt more normal to climb in from the left side, like mounting a horse,
or a bicycle.
Here are a couple of pictures of mine:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
Has anyone figured out the best side to locate steps for easiest entry.
I am trying to decide that issue and would appreciate any and all in put
on that as far as ease of entry for front and rear pits
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
Dan and all Piet builders,
At the risk of filling our in boxes with more of the same, I agree with
the group on your talant and willingness to share your prop carving
work. Very nice work. Thank you!
john egan
(fabricated a rear cockpit step last night...)
Greenville, Wi.
Do not archive
----- Original Message ----
From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:42:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report
Hello Good People!
I finished carving my prop last week. I made it from five boards of 3/4"
ash. This has been without a doubt the most rewarding part of the whole
project, because it is a work of art that I thought I was not really
capable of doing. I used the "Jerry Thornhill" method of prop carving.
Last year at OSH I watched him carve the prop for the EAA Bleriot
replica. All power tools. The first step is to figure out what pitch you
want. Then after some simple calculations, lines can be drawn along the
leading and trailing edge for guidance. First you use an electric chain
saw to horse most of the material off. Then comes the 7" diameter angle
grinder with the rubber backing pad with 60 grit paper, Then last comes
the 5" diameter DeWalt vibrating/rotating sander with 150 grit paper.
The only hand tool I used was a metal file to take off the high spots,
because there is such a difference in hardness between the spring and
summer wood of the ash tree that it leaves "waves" depending on the
grain direction. To get both blades identical I used a 12" long profile
gauge (plastic) so I could compare one blade with the other. I did not
use any templates. I just "eyeballed" it as far as the blade airfoil
goes. After I was done carving I tried balancing and it was so close to
perfect I just left it. Attached are some photos.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work |
Same as what I was thinking, however I was considering the mount and
dismount may be easier fro the rt side so I figured would ask now rather t
hen live
with the mistake later.
Thanks for the illustration, just wanting to show off the chic magnet power
s
of the Piet, yup I know, I know...
thanks for the insight,
John
In a message dated 10/13/2008 2:50:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com writes:
Put them near the bottom. Easier to step on there than if they are on the
top.
Sorry =93 couldn=99t resist. I put mine on the left side, beca
use it just felt
more normal to climb in from the left side, like mounting a horse, or a
bicycle.
Here are a couple of pictures of mine:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of amsafetyc@a
ol.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
Has anyone figured out the best side to locate steps for easiest entry. I a
m
trying to decide that issue and would appreciate any and all in put on that
as far as ease of entry for front and rear pits
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
____________________________________
From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
Dan and all Piet builders,
At the risk of filling our in boxes with more of the same, I agree with the
group on your talant and willingness to share your prop carving work. Very
nice work. Thank you!
john egan
(fabricated a rear cockpit step last night...)
Greenville, Wi.
Do not archive
----- Original Message ----
From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:42:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report
Hello Good People!
I finished carving my prop last week. I made it from five boards of 3/4"
ash. This has been without a doubt the most rewarding part of the whole pro
ject,
because it is a work of art that I thought I was not really capable of
doing. I used the "Jerry Thornhill" method of prop carving. Last year at OS
H I
watched him carve the prop for the EAA Bleriot replica. All power tools. Th
e
first step is to figure out what pitch you want. Then after some simple
calculations, lines can be drawn along the leading and trailing edge for gu
idance.
First you use an electric chain saw to horse most of the material off. Then
comes the 7" diameter angle grinder with the rubber backing pad with 60 gri
t
paper, Then last comes the 5" diameter DeWalt vibrating/rotating sander wit
h 150
grit paper. The only hand tool I used was a metal file to take off the high
spots, because there is such a difference in hardness between the spring an
d
summer wood of the ash tree that it leaves "waves" depending on the grain
direction. To get both blades identical I used a 12" long profile gauge
(plastic) so I could compare one blade with the other. I did not use any te
mplates. I
just "eyeballed" it as far as the blade airfoil goes. After I was done
carving I tried balancing and it was so close to perfect I just left it. At
tached
are some photos.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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Hi John,
I put my pilot entry step on the left side. I think tradition going back to WW1
dictates here. Actually I think this probably goes back to the way most people
mounted their horse years ago. Anyway, after much consternation, I elected not
to make a passenger entry step, because I determined that the best way for
a passenger to get into my piet is to:
1) Place left foot on top of left tire
2) Grab struts and pull self off ground and forward
3) Place right foot inside cockpit (on the seat)
4) Duck head and form body into a type of pretzel, and making sure head and left
shoulder does not shear-off downward extending fuel gauge, all while extending???
head (and CG) way over to the right and beyond the right side of fuse
5) When CG is far to starboard, lift left leg off of left tire and crunch body
once again into pretzel, lifting left foot sufficiently to clear left side of
fuse and lowering left leg into cockpit.
6) Lower both legs and hind end down into passenger seat, hoping that cheeks stay
in contact onto miserably narrow passenger seat without overhanging too much
to impede pilot's ability to get his or her feet onto the rudder pedals.
This whole procedure must be done with chocks in place, or unsuspecting passenger
will end up on ground after step 1. Attached is a photo.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work |
Well, the Piet IS a Chick Magnet, but this particular chick is John
Hofmann's 12 year old daughter, Rachel. She did enjoy the ride, though,
as seen in this "After" shot:
Jack
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Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
Same as what I was thinking, however I was considering the mount and
dismount may be easier fro the rt side so I figured would ask now
rather then live with the mistake later.
Thanks for the illustration, just wanting to show off the chic magnet
powers of the Piet, yup I know, I know...
thanks for the insight,
John
In a message dated 10/13/2008 2:50:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com writes:
Put them near the bottom. Easier to step on there than if they
are on the top.
Sorry - couldn't resist. I put mine on the left side, because
it just felt more normal to climb in from the left side, like mounting a
horse, or a bicycle.
Here are a couple of pictures of mine:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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amsafetyc@aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:38 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant
Work
Has anyone figured out the best side to locate steps for easiest
entry. I am trying to decide that issue and would appreciate any and all
in put on that as far as ease of entry for front and rear pits
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:24:01 -0700 (PDT)
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant
Work
Dan and all Piet builders,
At the risk of filling our in boxes with more of the same, I
agree with the group on your talant and willingness to share your prop
carving work. Very nice work. Thank you!
john egan
(fabricated a rear cockpit step last night...)
Greenville, Wi.
Do not archive
----- Original Message ----
From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:42:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report
Hello Good People!
I finished carving my prop last week. I made it from five boards
of 3/4" ash. This has been without a doubt the most rewarding part of
the whole project, because it is a work of art that I thought I was not
really capable of doing. I used the "Jerry Thornhill" method of prop
carving. Last year at OSH I watched him carve the prop for the EAA
Bleriot replica. All power tools. The first step is to figure out what
pitch you want. Then after some simple calculations, lines can be drawn
along the leading and trailing edge for guidance. First you use an
electric chain saw to horse most of the material off. Then comes the 7"
diameter angle grinder with the rubber backing pad with 60 grit paper,
Then last comes the 5" diameter DeWalt vibrating/rotating sander with
150 grit paper. The only hand tool I used was a metal file to take off
the high spots, because there is such a difference in hardness between
the spring and summer wood of the ash tree that it leaves "waves"
depending on the grain direction. To get both blades identical I used a
12" long profile gauge (plastic) so I could compare one blade with the
other. I did not use any templates. I just "eyeballed" it as far as the
blade airfoil goes. After I was done carving I tried balancing and it
was so close to perfect I just left it. Attached are some photos.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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She never met a plane she didn't like. She is bugging me now for a
Pietenpol project (and a WACO or a Jenny or whatever she scams a ride
in). I actually am thinking of getting her started on it this winter.
She would do well. As we all know, all airplanes have a unique dance
to master when entering and exiting. The front pit of a Pietenpol, I
think, is one of the most daunting. Jack was explaining to her how to
get in and she proceeded to crawl up there like a monkey. It kind of
makes you sick. The Cub also has a dance to get in and out, especially
in the front. I think she just enters by swinging from the tubes
adjacent the skylight with her prehensile tail. I guess we were all
and flexible at one time.
-john-
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John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Oct 13, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Phillips, Jack wrote:
> Well, the Piet IS a Chick Magnet, but this particular chick is John
> Hofmann=92s 12 year old daughter, Rachel. She did enjoy the ride,
> though, as seen in this =93After=94 shot:
>
> Jack
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 3:07 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
>
> Same as what I was thinking, however I was considering the mount and
> dismount may be easier fro the rt side so I figured would ask now
> rather then live with the mistake later.
>
> Thanks for the illustration, just wanting to show off the chic
> magnet powers of the Piet, yup I know, I know...
>
> thanks for the insight,
> John
>
> In a message dated 10/13/2008 2:50:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com
> writes:
> Put them near the bottom. Easier to step on there than if they are
> on the top.
>
> Sorry ' couldn=92t resist. I put mine on the left side, because it
> just felt more normal to climb in from the left side, like mounting
> a horse, or a bicycle.
>
> Here are a couple of pictures of mine:
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of amsafetyc@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:38 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
>
> Has anyone figured out the best side to locate steps for easiest
> entry. I am trying to decide that issue and would appreciate any and
> all in put on that as far as ease of entry for front and rear pits
>
>
> John
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:24:01 -0700 (PDT)
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
> Dan and all Piet builders,
>
> At the risk of filling our in boxes with more of the same, I agree
> with the group on your talant and willingness to share your prop
> carving work. Very nice work. Thank you!
>
> john egan
> (fabricated a rear cockpit step last night...)
> Greenville, Wi.
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:42:15 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report
>
> Hello Good People!
>
> I finished carving my prop last week. I made it from five boards of
> 3/4" ash. This has been without a doubt the most rewarding part of
> the whole project, because it is a work of art that I thought I was
> not really capable of doing. I used the "Jerry Thornhill" method of
> prop carving. Last year at OSH I watched him carve the prop for the
> EAA Bleriot replica. All power tools. The first step is to figure
> out what pitch you want. Then after some simple calculations, lines
> can be drawn along the leading and trailing edge for guidance. First
> you use an electric chain saw to horse most of the material off.
> Then comes the 7" diameter angle grinder with the rubber backing pad
> with 60 grit paper, Then last comes the 5" diameter DeWalt vibrating/
> rotating sander with 150 grit paper. The only hand tool I used was a
> metal file to take off the high spots, because there is such a
> difference in hardness between the spring and summer wood of the ash
> tree that it leaves "waves" depending on the grain direction. To get
> both blades identical I used a 12" long profile gauge (plastic) so I
> could compare one blade with the other. I did not use any templates.
> I just "eyeballed" it as far as the blade airfoil goes. After I was
> done carving I tried balancing and it was so close to perfect I just
> left it. Attached are some photos.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
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Dan,
Your comments and pictures are inspiring. You should do a prop-carving
workshop at Brodhead next year. ...because you know at least 50 people are
going to track you down for the same discussion.
Can't wait to see this plane!
Thanks
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 6:42 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> Hello Good People!
>
> I finished carving my prop last week. I made it from five boards of 3/4"
> ash. This has been without a doubt the most rewarding part of the whole
> project, because it is a work of art that I thought I was not really capable
> of doing. I used the "Jerry Thornhill" method of prop carving. Last year at
> OSH I watched him carve the prop for the EAA Bleriot replica. All power
> tools. The first step is to figure out what pitch you want. Then after some
> simple calculations, lines can be drawn along the leading and trailing edge
> for guidance. First you use an electric chain saw to horse most of the
> material off. Then comes the 7" diameter angle grinder with the rubber
> backing pad with 60 grit paper, Then last comes the 5" diameter DeWalt
> vibrating/rotating sander with 150 grit paper. The only hand tool I used was
> a metal file to take off the high spots, because there is such a difference
> in hardness between the spring and summer wood of the ash tree that it
> leaves "waves" depending on the grain direction. To get both blades
> identical I used a 12" long profile gauge (plastic) so I could compare one
> blade with the other. I did not use any templates. I just "eyeballed" it as
> far as the blade airfoil goes. After I was done carving I tried balancing
> and it was so close to perfect I just left it. Attached are some photos.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work |
"Smile Son. Never disconcert the masses!"
She's a good kid and a natural stick and rudder. I gave her the camera
on Saturday when I took the Cub out to see the start of Fall. I'll see
if I can't post some photos.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Oct 13, 2008, at 8:58 PM, amsafetyc@aol.com wrote:
> That just can't be true. She's just too cute to be his daughter. She
> must take after her mom.
>
> I met John so I know better!
>
>
> John
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
> From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:04:49 -0400
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
>
> Well, the Piet IS a Chick Magnet, but this particular chick is John
> Hofmann=92s 12 year old daughter, Rachel. She did enjoy the ride,
> though, as seen in this =93After=94 shot:
>
> Jack
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 3:07 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
>
> Same as what I was thinking, however I was considering the mount and
> dismount may be easier fro the rt side so I figured would ask now
> rather then live with the mistake later.
>
> Thanks for the illustration, just wanting to show off the chic
> magnet powers of the Piet, yup I know, I know...
>
> thanks for the insight,
> John
>
> In a message dated 10/13/2008 2:50:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com
> writes:
> Put them near the bottom. Easier to step on there than if they are
> on the top.
>
> Sorry ' couldn=92t resist. I put mine on the left side, because it
> just felt more normal to climb in from the left side, like mounting
> a horse, or a bicycle.
>
> Here are a couple of pictures of mine:
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of amsafetyc@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:38 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
>
> Has anyone figured out the best side to locate steps for easiest
> entry. I am trying to decide that issue and would appreciate any and
> all in put on that as far as ease of entry for front and rear pits
>
>
> John
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:24:01 -0700 (PDT)
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
> Dan and all Piet builders,
>
> At the risk of filling our in boxes with more of the same, I agree
> with the group on your talant and willingness to share your prop
> carving work. Very nice work. Thank you!
>
> john egan
> (fabricated a rear cockpit step last night...)
> Greenville, Wi.
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:42:15 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report
>
> Hello Good People!
>
> I finished carving my prop last week. I made it from five boards of
> 3/4" ash. This has been without a doubt the most rewarding part of
> the whole project, because it is a work of art that I thought I was
> not really capable of doing. I used the "Jerry Thornhill" method of
> prop carving. Last year at OSH I watched him carve the prop for the
> EAA Bleriot replica. All power tools. The first step is to figure
> out what pitch you want. Then after some simple calculations, lines
> can be drawn along the leading and trailing edge for guidance. First
> you use an electric chain saw to horse most of the material off.
> Then comes the 7" diameter angle grinder with the rubber backing pad
> with 60 grit paper, Then last comes the 5" diameter DeWalt vibrating/
> rotating sander with 150 grit paper. The only hand tool I used was a
> metal file to take off the high spots, because there is such a
> difference in hardness between the spring and summer wood of the ash
> tree that it leaves "waves" depending on the grain direction. To get
> both blades identical I used a 12" long profile gauge (plastic) so I
> could compare one blade with the other. I did not use any templates.
> I just "eyeballed" it as far as the blade airfoil goes. After I was
> done carving I tried balancing and it was so close to perfect I just
> left it. Attached are some photos.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Narco ELT-10 battery corrosion |
Question for you electronics geeks. I have an older Narco ELT (yes, it's the honkin'
big orange thing that only xmits on 121.5). When my Piet went over on
its nose a few years ago, the ELT didn't go off but the incident was sufficient
to make me replace the battery since I'm an FAR-abiding pilot and aircraft owner
and that's what the FARs call for.
I replaced the battery with a brand new Airtex replacement from Chief Aircraft
and reinstalled the ELT in a better location (behind the pilot's seat), secured
it on the ground plane (a large flat piece of aluminum behind the pilot's seat),
and we're good to go again. Now the problem. About two years later, there
is a white powdery corrosion showing up under the ELT, mostly under the battery
where it sits on the aluminum ground plane. Mind you, I painted the aluminum
with an epoxy paint before the installation and the battery housing is thick
orange plastic, so there really isn't anything electrical touching anything
metallic. So what am I doing wrong? Should I replace the battery and reinstall
the unit with a rubber cushion between it and the ground plane that it's
installed on (along with the ELT antenna)?
I guess it really doesn't matter since nobody will hear the tree fall in the forest
after next February anyway, as long as I stay on 121.5 Mhz ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work |
John H and John R at Brodhead 2008. Photo by Mike Cuy. Proof that we
have met. It wasn't pretty!
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Oct 13, 2008, at 8:58 PM, amsafetyc@aol.com wrote:
> That just can't be true. She's just too cute to be his daughter. She
> must take after her mom.
>
> I met John so I know better!
>
>
> John
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
> From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:04:49 -0400
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
>
> Well, the Piet IS a Chick Magnet, but this particular chick is John
> Hofmann=92s 12 year old daughter, Rachel. She did enjoy the ride,
> though, as seen in this =93After=94 shot:
>
> Jack
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 3:07 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
>
> Same as what I was thinking, however I was considering the mount and
> dismount may be easier fro the rt side so I figured would ask now
> rather then live with the mistake later.
>
> Thanks for the illustration, just wanting to show off the chic
> magnet powers of the Piet, yup I know, I know...
>
> thanks for the insight,
> John
>
> In a message dated 10/13/2008 2:50:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com
> writes:
> Put them near the bottom. Easier to step on there than if they are
> on the top.
>
> Sorry ' couldn=92t resist. I put mine on the left side, because it
> just felt more normal to climb in from the left side, like mounting
> a horse, or a bicycle.
>
> Here are a couple of pictures of mine:
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of amsafetyc@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:38 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
>
> Has anyone figured out the best side to locate steps for easiest
> entry. I am trying to decide that issue and would appreciate any and
> all in put on that as far as ease of entry for front and rear pits
>
>
> John
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:24:01 -0700 (PDT)
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
> Dan and all Piet builders,
>
> At the risk of filling our in boxes with more of the same, I agree
> with the group on your talant and willingness to share your prop
> carving work. Very nice work. Thank you!
>
> john egan
> (fabricated a rear cockpit step last night...)
> Greenville, Wi.
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:42:15 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report
>
> Hello Good People!
>
> I finished carving my prop last week. I made it from five boards of
> 3/4" ash. This has been without a doubt the most rewarding part of
> the whole project, because it is a work of art that I thought I was
> not really capable of doing. I used the "Jerry Thornhill" method of
> prop carving. Last year at OSH I watched him carve the prop for the
> EAA Bleriot replica. All power tools. The first step is to figure
> out what pitch you want. Then after some simple calculations, lines
> can be drawn along the leading and trailing edge for guidance. First
> you use an electric chain saw to horse most of the material off.
> Then comes the 7" diameter angle grinder with the rubber backing pad
> with 60 grit paper, Then last comes the 5" diameter DeWalt vibrating/
> rotating sander with 150 grit paper. The only hand tool I used was a
> metal file to take off the high spots, because there is such a
> difference in hardness between the spring and summer wood of the ash
> tree that it leaves "waves" depending on the grain direction. To get
> both blades identical I used a 12" long profile gauge (plastic) so I
> could compare one blade with the other. I did not use any templates.
> I just "eyeballed" it as far as the blade airfoil goes. After I was
> done carving I tried balancing and it was so close to perfect I just
> left it. Attached are some photos.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
> McCain or Obama? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race
> while you browse - Download Now!
>
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> , proprietary
> or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error,
> please notify the sender
> immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by
> you is prohibited.
>
> Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese -
> Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese
>
>
> New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination.
> Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out!
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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> for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged,
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work |
John,
I know of three Cubs in Madison.
One at Waunakee, belonging to Frank Baker and two at Morey where I
have my Piet.
Where is the Cub of which you speak?
Roman NX20795
Do not archive
On Oct 13, 2008, at 9:50 PM, John Hofmann wrote:
> "Smile Son. Never disconcert the masses!"
>
> She's a good kid and a natural stick and rudder. I gave her the
> camera on Saturday when I took the Cub out to see the start of Fall.
> I'll see if I can't post some photos.
>
> -john-
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
> Madison, WI 53718
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
> On Oct 13, 2008, at 8:58 PM, amsafetyc@aol.com wrote:
>
>> That just can't be true. She's just too cute to be his daughter.
>> She must take after her mom.
>>
>> I met John so I know better!
>>
>>
>> John
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>>
>> From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
>> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:04:49 -0400
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
>>
>> Well, the Piet IS a Chick Magnet, but this particular chick is John
>> Hofmann=92s 12 year old daughter, Rachel. She did enjoy the ride,
>> though, as seen in this =93After=94 shot:
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> ] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 3:07 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
>>
>> Same as what I was thinking, however I was considering the mount
>> and dismount may be easier fro the rt side so I figured would ask
>> now rather then live with the mistake later.
>>
>> Thanks for the illustration, just wanting to show off the chic
>> magnet powers of the Piet, yup I know, I know...
>>
>> thanks for the insight,
>> John
>>
>> In a message dated 10/13/2008 2:50:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com
>> writes:
>> Put them near the bottom. Easier to step on there than if they are
>> on the top.
>>
>> Sorry ' couldn=92t resist. I put mine on the left side, because it
>> just felt more normal to climb in from the left side, like mounting
>> a horse, or a bicycle.
>>
>> Here are a couple of pictures of mine:
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> ] On Behalf Of amsafetyc@aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:38 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
>>
>> Has anyone figured out the best side to locate steps for easiest
>> entry. I am trying to decide that issue and would appreciate any
>> and all in put on that as far as ease of entry for front and rear
>> pits
>>
>>
>> John
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
>> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:24:01 -0700 (PDT)
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
>> Dan and all Piet builders,
>>
>> At the risk of filling our in boxes with more of the same, I agree
>> with the group on your talant and willingness to share your prop
>> carving work. Very nice work. Thank you!
>>
>> john egan
>> (fabricated a rear cockpit step last night...)
>> Greenville, Wi.
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:42:15 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report
>>
>> Hello Good People!
>>
>> I finished carving my prop last week. I made it from five boards of
>> 3/4" ash. This has been without a doubt the most rewarding part of
>> the whole project, because it is a work of art that I thought I was
>> not really capable of doing. I used the "Jerry Thornhill" method of
>> prop carving. Last year at OSH I watched him carve the prop for the
>> EAA Bleriot replica. All power tools. The first step is to figure
>> out what pitch you want. Then after some simple calculations, lines
>> can be drawn along the leading and trailing edge for guidance.
>> First you use an electric chain saw to horse most of the material
>> off. Then comes the 7" diameter angle grinder with the rubber
>> backing pad with 60 grit paper, Then last comes the 5" diameter
>> DeWalt vibrating/rotating sander with 150 grit paper. The only hand
>> tool I used was a metal file to take off the high spots, because
>> there is such a difference in hardness between the spring and
>> summer wood of the ash tree that it leaves "waves" depending on the
>> grain direction. To get both blades identical I used a 12" long
>> profile gauge (plastic) so I could compare one blade with the
>> other. I did not use any templates. I just "eyeballed" it as far as
>> the blade airfoil goes. After I was done carving I tried balancing
>> and it was so close to perfect I just left it. Attached are some
>> photos.
>>
>> Dan Helsper
>> Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Narco ELT-10 battery corrosion |
Possibly a defective/compromised battery housing? There was an AD back in
1977 regarding the batteries. Obviously you are using a newer battery than
that, but maybe something to check.
If you are going to separate the ELT from the aluminum it is mounted to,
maybe just use longer fasteners, aluminum spacers, and rubber/foam "washers"
to dampen vibration. Putting an entire sheet of foam/rubber might allow
moisture/leakage to accumulate between the battery and mounting plate. I
can't speak from personal experience or provide an example of cause for
concern; just some thoughts that came to mind.
Ryan
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Question for you electronics geeks. I have an older Narco ELT (yes, it's
> the honkin' big orange thing that only xmits on 121.5). When my Piet went
> over on its nose a few years ago, the ELT didn't go off but the incident was
> sufficient to make me replace the battery since I'm an FAR-abiding pilot and
> aircraft owner and that's what the FARs call for.
>
> I replaced the battery with a brand new Airtex replacement from Chief
> Aircraft and reinstalled the ELT in a better location (behind the pilot's
> seat), secured it on the ground plane (a large flat piece of aluminum behind
> the pilot's seat), and we're good to go again. Now the problem. About two
> years later, there is a white powdery corrosion showing up under the ELT,
> mostly under the battery where it sits on the aluminum ground plane. Mind
> you, I painted the aluminum with an epoxy paint before the installation and
> the battery housing is thick orange plastic, so there really isn't anything
> electrical touching anything metallic. So what am I doing wrong? Should I
> replace the battery and reinstall the unit with a rubber cushion between it
> and the ground plane that it's installed on (along with the ELT antenna)?
>
> I guess it really doesn't matter since nobody will hear the tree fall in
> the forest after next February anyway, as long as I stay on 121.5 Mhz ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Report, run-up report |
Apparently this blade type will behave somewhat like
a variable pitch prop. As the rpm and power increase
the tip bends foreward flattening the pitch thus becoming
a "climb" prop and when leveling out and reducing power
it settles back into the higher pitch it was carved to, thus
increasing the speed per rpm.
How much effect will, of course, depend on the stiffness
of the blade, in turn dependant on the thickness and the
material. Some woods are resist bending more than others.
Clif
Steve,
As for the advantages to the scimitar shape I don't really know.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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