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1. 03:30 AM - YouTube video of first engine start (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 04:42 AM - Re: Saturday over Ohio and Lake Erie (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
3. 05:19 AM - Re: Narco ELT-10 battery corrosion (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
4. 06:15 AM - A little help, please (Lawrence Williams)
5. 06:21 AM - Re: A little help, please (glennthomas@flyingwood.com)
6. 06:32 AM - Re: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work (John Hofmann)
7. 06:48 AM - Re: A little help, please (Bill Church)
8. 07:02 AM - Re: A little help, please (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
9. 07:56 AM - Re: Prop Carving Report (Jonathan Ragle)
10. 07:56 AM - What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? (Tom Anderson)
11. 08:26 AM - Re: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? (Dave Abramson)
12. 09:21 AM - Jack Phillips - contact info? (Tom Anderson)
13. 09:29 AM - Re: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? (Steve Eldredge)
14. 09:51 AM - Re: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
15. 10:16 AM - Re: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
16. 10:20 AM - Re: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? (Phillips, Jack)
17. 10:21 AM - Re: YouTube video of first engine start (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
18. 10:24 AM - Re: Jack Phillips - contact info? (Phillips, Jack)
19. 10:28 AM - Hangar $ (HelsperSew@aol.com)
20. 11:18 AM - Re: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? (Ben Charvet)
21. 12:12 PM - Re: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
22. 12:26 PM - Re: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
23. 12:26 PM - Re: Jack Phillips - contact info? (Tom Anderson)
24. 12:35 PM - Re: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
25. 12:38 PM - Re: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
26. 12:41 PM - Re: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
27. 12:46 PM - Re: YouTube video of first engine start (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
28. 01:38 PM - Re: Hangar $ (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
29. 01:52 PM - buying second hand plans.. (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
30. 01:55 PM - Re: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? (shad bell)
31. 02:30 PM - Big-engined Piet (Bill Church)
32. 02:47 PM - Re: buying second hand plans.. (bike.mike@comcast.net)
33. 03:22 PM - Re: buying second hand plans.. (shad bell)
34. 03:51 PM - Re: buying second hand plans.. (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
35. 03:51 PM - Re: buying second hand plans.. (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
36. 04:09 PM - Re: buying second hand plans.. (Ryan Mueller)
37. 06:32 PM - Re: Big-engined Piet (Clif Dawson)
38. 06:41 PM - Re: buying second hand plans.. (Clif Dawson)
39. 06:46 PM - Re: buying second hand plans.. (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
40. 10:37 PM - Re: Narco ELT-10 battery corrosion (Ernie Moreno)
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| Subject: | YouTube video of first engine start |
Hi all,
Here is the link to my just-posted YouTube video. This is actually the third engine
start of that morning. I am going to put the real first one up there tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZeCST8Fs7Q
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Saturday over Ohio and Lake Erie |
Was great to meet up with Shad and he's a true-cross country aviator,
Pietenpol style. The
only guy I think that could give him a run for his iron-butt money would
be Jack "nonstop, unrefueld"
Phillips.
I rec'd some photos from Shad and have a few of my own and will post
them after I get some work
done here up to my lunch hour.
Shad was called Chad by one of the guys at the airport we were at and he
said "I'm used to it, I've
gotten that all of my life." I tried to empathize with Shad saying
that people have called me
Mike Guy a million times too so I understood.
Had fun flying with you Chad !
Guy
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| Subject: | Re: Narco ELT-10 battery corrosion |
Oscar, My plane is made from aluminium (A Welsh buddy demands that both i's be
pronounced) and I use CorrosionX throughout. CorrosionX attacks corrosion and
prevents it. It will seep into any crack or crevice. CorrosionX is about $15 per
can and you probably only need a squrt. Next time you see me at the airport
I will loan you a half ounce or so. (Joe Paduh or Steve and Freda also have some
if I am not around.)
I believe in CorrosionX almost a much as I believe in Marvel Mystery Oil. Indeed
I sent my 7 year old Grandson, Nicky, into the tail with a can to get places
I could not get to.
I use it on pretty much any piece of aluminIum in the plane. I put a drop on each
stainless steel fastener In order to slow dissimilar metal corrosion. It is
really good on electrical items as well. Not sure what it does to wood.
Be warned, You have to get it completely off of any surface if you want to paint.
It will totally mess up any paint job.
Blue Skies
Steve D
Beech straight 35
Alamo City, GRT
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Narco ELT-10 battery corrosion
>
>
> Question for you electronics geeks. I have an older Narco ELT (yes, it's the
honkin' big orange thing that only xmits on 121.5). When my
> Piet went over on its nose a few years ago, the ELT didn't go off
> but the incident was sufficient to make me replace the battery
> since I'm an FAR-abiding pilot and aircraft owner and that's what
> the FARs call for.
>
> I replaced the battery with a brand new Airtex replacement from
> Chief Aircraft and reinstalled the ELT in a better location
> (behind the pilot's seat), secured it on the ground plane (a large
> flat piece of aluminum behind the pilot's seat), and we're good to
> go again. Now the problem. About two years later, there is a
> white powdery corrosion showing up under the ELT, mostly under the
> battery where it sits on the aluminum ground plane. Mind you, I
> painted the aluminum with an epoxy paint before the installation
> and the battery housing is thick orange plastic, so there really
> isn't anything electrical touching anything metallic. So what am
> I doing wrong? Should I replace the battery and reinstall the
> unit with a rubber cushion between it and the ground plane that
> it's installed on (along with the ELT antenna)?
>
> I guess it really doesn't matter since nobody will hear the tree
> fall in the forest after next February anyway, as long as I stay
> on 121.5 Mhz ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | A little help, please |
I'm missing out on some of the list benefits and would appreciate some advi
ce.
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1. All of the posts from amsafetyc@aol.com come across as a series of jumbl
ed letters, numbers and punctuation marks. Completely unintelligible.
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2. None of the talked about photos come across. Pictures that others ars re
ferencing aren't accessible to me.
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Please help me find the path to enlightenment!
-
Larry
-=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: A little help, please |
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work |
Hi Roman,
I live in Columbus and keep the Cub at Hartford. It is a good place
for a Cub. Between PA-12s and J-3s I think there are close to 20
there. I had it at Brodhead on the other side of the field.
-john-
Do not Archive.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Oct 13, 2008, at 10:21 PM, Roman Bukolt wrote:
> John,
> I know of three Cubs in Madison.
> One at Waunakee, belonging to Frank Baker and two at Morey where I
> have my Piet.
> Where is the Cub of which you speak?
> Roman NX20795
>
> Do not archive
>
> On Oct 13, 2008, at 9:50 PM, John Hofmann wrote:
>
>> "Smile Son. Never disconcert the masses!"
>>
>> She's a good kid and a natural stick and rudder. I gave her the
>> camera on Saturday when I took the Cub out to see the start of
>> Fall. I'll see if I can't post some photos.
>>
>> -john-
>>
>> John Hofmann
>> Vice-President, Information Technology
>> The Rees Group, Inc.
>> 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
>> Madison, WI 53718
>> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
>> Fax: 608.443.2474
>> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2008, at 8:58 PM, amsafetyc@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> That just can't be true. She's just too cute to be his daughter.
>>> She must take after her mom.
>>>
>>> I met John so I know better!
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
>>> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:04:49 -0400
>>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
>>>
>>> Well, the Piet IS a Chick Magnet, but this particular chick is
>>> John Hofmann=92s 12 year old daughter, Rachel. She did enjoy the
>>> ride, though, as seen in this =93After=94 shot:
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>> ] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com
>>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 3:07 PM
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
>>>
>>> Same as what I was thinking, however I was considering the mount
>>> and dismount may be easier fro the rt side so I figured would ask
>>> now rather then live with the mistake later.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the illustration, just wanting to show off the chic
>>> magnet powers of the Piet, yup I know, I know...
>>>
>>> thanks for the insight,
>>> John
>>>
>>> In a message dated 10/13/2008 2:50:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com
>>> writes:
>>> Put them near the bottom. Easier to step on there than if they
>>> are on the top.
>>>
>>> Sorry ' couldn=92t resist. I put mine on the left side, because
it
>>> just felt more normal to climb in from the left side, like
>>> mounting a horse, or a bicycle.
>>>
>>> Here are a couple of pictures of mine:
>>>
>>> Jack Phillips
>>> NX899JP
>>> Raleigh, NC
>>>
>>>
>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>> ] On Behalf Of amsafetyc@aol.com
>>> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:38 PM
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
>>>
>>> Has anyone figured out the best side to locate steps for easiest
>>> entry. I am trying to decide that issue and would appreciate any
>>> and all in put on that as far as ease of entry for front and rear
>>> pits
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>>
>>> From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
>>> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:24:01 -0700 (PDT)
>>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report - Excellant Work
>>> Dan and all Piet builders,
>>>
>>> At the risk of filling our in boxes with more of the same, I agree
>>> with the group on your talant and willingness to share your prop
>>> carving work. Very nice work. Thank you!
>>>
>>> john egan
>>> (fabricated a rear cockpit step last night...)
>>> Greenville, Wi.
>>>
>>> Do not archive
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:42:15 PM
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Carving Report
>>>
>>> Hello Good People!
>>>
>>> I finished carving my prop last week. I made it from five boards
>>> of 3/4" ash. This has been without a doubt the most rewarding part
>>> of the whole project, because it is a work of art that I thought I
>>> was not really capable of doing. I used the "Jerry Thornhill"
>>> method of prop carving. Last year at OSH I watched him carve the
>>> prop for the EAA Bleriot replica. All power tools. The first step
>>> is to figure out what pitch you want. Then after some simple
>>> calculations, lines can be drawn along the leading and trailing
>>> edge for guidance. First you use an electric chain saw to horse
>>> most of the material off. Then comes the 7" diameter angle grinder
>>> with the rubber backing pad with 60 grit paper, Then last comes
>>> the 5" diameter DeWalt vibrating/rotating sander with 150 grit
>>> paper. The only hand tool I used was a metal file to take off the
>>> high spots, because there is such a difference in hardness between
>>> the spring and summer wood of the ash tree that it leaves "waves"
>>> depending on the grain direction. To get both blades identical I
>>> used a 12" long profile gauge (plastic) so I could compare one
>>> blade with the other. I did not use any templates. I just
>>> "eyeballed" it as far as the blade airfoil goes. After I was done
>>> carving I tried balancing and it was so close to perfect I just
>>> left it. Attached are some photos.
>>>
>>> Dan Helsper
>>> Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | A little help, please |
Larry,
Here's another series of letters, numbers and punctuation marks for you -
hopefully they aren't jumbled.
I know I've mentioned this a few times before, but here goes again.
For those that receive the "digest" version of the list (once a day), the
attached photos are stripped. They are not stripped from the "live" version
of the list, where you might receive 30 or so emails a day on a busy day.
However, all posted messages WITH attachments can be viewed if you go to the
Matronics Pietenpol Forum. Here's a link (or maybe a path to
enlightenment?):
http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=7
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=7&sid=2ed4da73b54366540c0d905c0
d06a3a6> &sid=2ed4da73b54366540c0d905c0d06a3a6
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: A little help, please |
Got you 5 square, (5 of 5 for loud, and 5 of 5 for clear)
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: glennthomas@flyingwood.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A little help, please
> Can you read this? I know a lot of his messages are sent from a
> Blackberry. So is this one.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lawrence Williams <
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:15:22
> To: Pietlist<
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: A little help, please
>
>
> I'm missing out on some of the list benefits and would appreciate some advice.
> ?
> 1. All of the posts from amsafetyc@aol.com come across as a series of jumbled
letters, numbers and punctuation marks. Completely unintelligible.
> ?
> 2. None of the talked about photos come across. Pictures that others ars referencing
aren't accessible to me.
> ?
> Please help me find the path to enlightenment!
> ?
> Larry
> ?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Prop Carving Report |
Wow. This is something that I would never do but I am glad that there are
still artists (such as yourself) that will. That is a beatiful prop. Just
beautiful.
Jon
tDate: Sun=2C 12 Oct 2008 18:42:15 -0400From: helspersew@aol.comHello Good
People!I finished carving my prop last week. I made it from five boards of
3/4" ash. This has been without a doubt the most rewarding part of the whol
e project=2C because it is a work of art that I thought I was not really ca
pable of doing. I used the "Jerry Thornhill" method of prop carving. Last y
ear at OSH I watched him carve the prop for the EAA Bleriot replica. All po
wer tools. The first step is to figure out what pitch you want. Then after
some simple calculations=2C lines can be drawn along the leading and traili
ng edge for guidance. First you use an electric chain saw to horse most of
the material off. Then comes the 7" diameter angle grinder with the rubber
backing pad with 60 grit paper=2C Then last comes the 5" diameter DeWalt vi
brating/rotating sander with 150 grit paper. The only hand tool I used was
a metal file to take off the high spots=2C because there is such a differen
ce in hardness between the spring and summer wood of the ash tree that it l
eaves "waves" depending on the grain direction. To get both blades identica
l I used a 12" long profile gauge (plastic) so I could compare one blade wi
th the other. I did not use any templates. I just "eyeballed" it as far as
the blade airfoil goes. After I was done carving I tried balancing and it w
as so close to perfect I just left it. Attached are some photos.Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove=2C IL
McCain or Obama? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race while yo
u browse - Download Now!
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| Subject: | What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? |
Please forgive the newbie, uninitiated questioning, but for those that have been
through the process from start to finish and are actually flying a Piet, what
does it [/i]really cost to build one?
Also, what are some of you typically paying for hangar space?
--------
Location: Eastern N.C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 8718#208718
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| Subject: | What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? |
Hello!
Have a T-Hanger in Santa Maria, Ca. $163.00 per month.... Have a Cessna
140, building Pietenpol, 3 cars, 3 Motorcycles, and a bunch of junk.
Cheapest I know of in Southern Ca.!
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom
Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a
Piet?
<tomanderson_nc@yahoo.com>
Please forgive the newbie, uninitiated questioning, but for those that have
been through the process from start to finish and are actually flying a
Piet, what does it [/i]really cost to build one?
Also, what are some of you typically paying for hangar space?
--------
Location: Eastern N.C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 8718#208718
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| Subject: | Jack Phillips - contact info? |
Can someone give me Jack Phillip's contact info. - I seem to have misplaced it
and his full e-mail address doesn't show up when he posts.
Thanks.
--------
Location: Eastern N.C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 8732#208732
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| Subject: | What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? |
Finding the going rate for hangar space is usually a matter of asking around.
It doesn't really matter what they charge elsewhere when you want a hangar near
home.
That said, Here in Utah rent is between $125 for a shade hangar, up to $330 for
a private 40x30. It is literally more money to build a hangar than my plane
costs.
My piet, built in 1997 cost me about $5000. I bought a doorless chicken-coop type
hangar for $5000 a year after finishing my piet, and consider myself very
fortunate.
In 2008 dollars I bet I could build a A-65 powered piet for $10,000 and buy the
same hangar for another $10,000.
Steve Eldredge
NC9406K
47' Stinson 108-2
stinson@byu.edu
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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet?
Please forgive the newbie, uninitiated questioning, but for those that have been
through the process from start to finish and are actually flying a Piet, what
does it [/i]really cost to build one?
Also, what are some of you typically paying for hangar space?
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For what its worth I am building mine in my basement so no hangar rental
needed for the build period so far I suspect I will be moving into a hangar in
the next 12 to 18 months for mounting the engine, assembly and painting of the
larger parts. For right now I am staying in the basement. I have the fuse
structure pretty much complete with the exception of the metal parts an engine
and some instruments and working on tail feather with vertical stabilizer
complete, rudder and elevator L and R almost finished moving on with the
horizontal stab next.
I would guess with the quick math in my head that I have a shade over 2K
invested at this point. I am about 20 months into the build process with
summers being the slow time, now that fall is here and yard work diminishing I
am
back in the build more and more.Budget wise a little over $100.00 a month on
the average, that will increase significantly when I move into a hangar.
John
In a message dated 10/14/2008 12:30:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
steve@byu.edu writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Steve Eldredge <steve@byu.edu>
Finding the going rate for hangar space is usually a matter of asking
around. It doesn't really matter what they charge elsewhere when you want a hangar
near home.
That said, Here in Utah rent is between $125 for a shade hangar, up to $330
for a private 40x30. It is literally more money to build a hangar than my
plane costs.
My piet, built in 1997 cost me about $5000. I bought a doorless
chicken-coop type hangar for $5000 a year after finishing my piet, and consider
myself
very fortunate.
In 2008 dollars I bet I could build a A-65 powered piet for $10,000 and buy
the same hangar for another $10,000.
Steve Eldredge
NC9406K
47' Stinson 108-2
stinson@byu.edu
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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a
Piet?
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<tomanderson_nc@yahoo.com>
Please forgive the newbie, uninitiated questioning, but for those that have
been through the process from start to finish and are actually flying a Piet,
what does it [/i]really cost to build one?
Also, what are some of you typically paying for hangar space?
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| Subject: | What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? |
I spent about 14K building mine including an engine overhaul.
Hangar is $195/ mo.
1 million liability insur. is $550/ year.
Avgas--autogas, depends how much you fly per year.
I do my own inspections and sign off and charge myself double every year
what I did the previous year.
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| Subject: | What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? |
Tom, I built my Pietenpol for about $15,000. Of that $7500 was the
engine (I rebuilt a 65 Continental basically sparing no expense - new
cylinders, new camshaft etc).
I'm in Apex NC currently paying $125 a month for a hangar that I share
with an Ercoupe and an RV-4. Hangar rent varies all over the place. At
RDU, a T-hanger goes for $400 a month. At Sanford (TTA) a T-hangar is
$300, if you can get one.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a
Piet?
<tomanderson_nc@yahoo.com>
Please forgive the newbie, uninitiated questioning, but for those that
have been through the process from start to finish and are actually
flying a Piet, what does it [/i]really cost to build one?
Also, what are some of you typically paying for hangar space?
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| Subject: | YouTube video of first engine start |
Outstanding progress Dan---wonderful to see her all together and with
the engine running a prop that you
built yourself ! That is going to be one long flight to Brodhead for
you. Can't wait to see you on the grass
there with a crowd of admirers and question-askers surrounding you.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Jack Phillips - contact info? |
I can probably do it.
Work # is listed below
Home # is 919-363-9459
Cell # is 919-427-4440
Work email is jack.phillips@cardinalhealth.com
Home email is pietflyr@bellsouth.net
Jack Phillips, PE
Sr. Manager, Disposable Products Research & Development
Cardinal Health Clinical Technologies & Services
Creedmoor, NC
(919) 528-5212
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Can someone give me Jack Phillip's contact info. - I seem to have
misplaced it and his full e-mail address doesn't show up when he posts.
Thanks.
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I am charging my hangar tenant $220.00 per month and that is heated!
Dan Helsper
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| Subject: | Re: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? |
I've built my Pietenpol entirely of Douglas Fir and Okoume plywood
bought locally. I have all the basic structure built and a used A-65
I'm planning to hang on the front with a used Sensenich prop. I was
surprised to see I'm already over $10,000 and I don't have it covered
yet. I do have a lot of extra continental parts I collected before I
bought the engine I plan to use, and some tool rental that I could
rationalize away. It'll probably be around 12K by the time I'm finished
if I subtract out the parts that won't make the first flight but will be
kept for the first overhaul. Hangers at my airport rent between 250-300
a month (east central Florida) I'm flying the crap out of a Baby Ace I
only paid $8000 for. I keep telling myself its all about the journey.
Building a Piet isn't the cheapest way to get in the air, but as others
have said, you can pay as you go, and spread out over the 5 year or so
average build time the monthly payment isn't so bad.
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Tom Anderson wrote:
>
> Please forgive the newbie, uninitiated questioning, but for those that have been
through the process from start to finish and are actually flying a Piet, what
does it [/i]really cost to build one?
>
> Also, what are some of you typically paying for hangar space?
>
> --------
> Location: Eastern N.C.
>
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Ben,
I have found the journey to so far as being highly rewarding and anticipate
flying as being the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Even if its not I
still have the enjoyment of the build. I am powering with an )235 108 hp
Lycoming which has a major not more then 600 hours ago so all I need is to have
the crank checked then its on to reassembly with gaskets, hoses and
replacement of consumables and or questionables which who knows what that will
cost
John
In a message dated 10/14/2008 2:20:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bcharvet@bellsouth.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
I've built my Pietenpol entirely of Douglas Fir and Okoume plywood
bought locally. I have all the basic structure built and a used A-65
I'm planning to hang on the front with a used Sensenich prop. I was
surprised to see I'm already over $10,000 and I don't have it covered
yet. I do have a lot of extra continental parts I collected before I
bought the engine I plan to use, and some tool rental that I could
rationalize away. It'll probably be around 12K by the time I'm finished
if I subtract out the parts that won't make the first flight but will be
kept for the first overhaul. Hangers at my airport rent between 250-300
a month (east central Florida) I'm flying the crap out of a Baby Ace I
only paid $8000 for. I keep telling myself its all about the journey.
Building a Piet isn't the cheapest way to get in the air, but as others
have said, you can pay as you go, and spread out over the 5 year or so
average build time the monthly payment isn't so bad.
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Tom Anderson wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Tom Anderson"
<tomanderson_nc@yahoo.com>
>
> Please forgive the newbie, uninitiated questioning, but for those that
have been through the process from start to finish and are actually flying a
Piet, what does it [/i]really cost to build one?
>
> Also, what are some of you typically paying for hangar space?
>
> --------
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In a message dated 10/14/2008 3:14:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
AMsafetyC@aol.com writes:
I am powering with an )235 108 hp Lycoming which has a major not more then
600 hours ago so all I need is to have the crank checked then its on to
reassembly with gaskets, hoses and replacement of consumables and or questionables
which who knows what that will cost
John
John, hope your luck is better than mine. I have a 475SMOH 320 for
another project. Sent it for prop strike inspection. That went fine except that
it
needed turning. So $648 for machine work, and now I'll spend another $1300
or so on parts to reassemble as two of my drive gears are bad. Just can't win
sometimes!
Boyce
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Thanks, Jack.
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Boyce,
Mine was a prop strike buy also, reported as minimal, I am not taking
chances with crank issues on that. Visual by an A&P suggested it was probably
in
good shape to the guy I purchased it from, checked run out all was reported in
good shape. Having been burned before on seemingly great deals I am having it
inspected by a shop that can magnaflux it and give me an accurate read on
the wear and life.
just something about flying a piece of junk I don't want to be flying it
when it reaches its full life potential of becoming a boat anchor....
better to be alive and broke than dead and broke, I think?
John
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RAMPEYBOY@aol.com writes:
In a message dated 10/14/2008 3:14:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
AMsafetyC@aol.com writes:
I am powering with an )235 108 hp Lycoming which has a major not more then
600 hours ago so all I need is to have the crank checked then its on to
reassembly with gaskets, hoses and replacement of consumables and or questionables
which who knows what that will cost
John
John, hope your luck is better than mine. I have a 475SMOH 320 for
another project. Sent it for prop strike inspection. That went fine except that
it
needed turning. So $648 for machine work, and now I'll spend another $1300
or so on parts to reassemble as two of my drive gears are bad. Just can't win
sometimes!
Boyce
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| Subject: | What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? |
My hanger in Hawley, Minnesota (04Y) lighted runway, new FBO building, hang
er space is $75.00 per month.
-
Ken
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--- On Tue, 10/14/08, Dave Abramson <davea@symbolicdisplays.com> wrote:
From: Dave Abramson <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate
a Piet?
<davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
Hello!
Have a T-Hanger in Santa Maria, Ca. $163.00 per month.... Have a Cessna
140, building Pietenpol, 3 cars, 3 Motorcycles, and a bunch of junk.
Cheapest I know of in Southern Ca.!
Dave
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom
Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a
Piet?
<tomanderson_nc@yahoo.com>
Please forgive the newbie, uninitiated questioning, but for those that have
been through the process from start to finish and are actually flying a
Piet, what does it [/i]really cost to build one?
Also, what are some of you typically paying for hangar space?
--------
Location: Eastern N.C.
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| Subject: | Re: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? |
I'm with you John. Same approach for me. Mine was not a prop strike, but a
prop "drag" The engine was off, and prop feathered when the plane came in gear
up. Didn't even bend the prop, just ground the tip a little. As I said the
PS inspection went fine, except the crank pins had some minor wear and grooves
they wanted ground out.
Back to the Pietenpol costs, someone on Barnstormers has a Pietenpol
fuselage from a aircraft that was a flier, for next to nothing $1500 I think.....
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| Subject: | Re: YouTube video of first engine start |
Dan,
That is just too kool. I can wait to see it in July along with your prop
carving demonstration. BTW can you send me a pic of your wood struts I am
considering going with ash struts and gear.
Thanks
John
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About 6 miles West of the edge of San Antonio I pay $275 for a lit hanger with
a a/ced small office and running water (hot water is provided by a hose lying
against the west metal wall.) Best deal is the community of pilots and mechanics.
Steve D.
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hangar $
> I am charging my hangar tenant $220.00 per month and that is heated!
>
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| Subject: | buying second hand plans.. |
OK, with my Mustang II plans, came a sign off sheet for legal transfer of
building rights for my plan set. Does the same exist for Pietenpol plans? I
have someone nearby who has a set for sale. The little bit of cost savings isn't
enough to be worth legal problems down the road....
Boyce
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| Subject: | Re: What does it REALLY cost to build and operate a Piet? |
I think Dad has 12,000 in his piet.- He once said that about 20 -30% was
shipping cost.- Local suppliers can save you a bunch of money.- If you
are lucky enough to have a friend who also would want to build a piet, or a
nother wooden airplane you could save a bunch by ordering at the same time
and split the shipping, would be a lot cheaper, it cost the same to ship 2-
3 sheets of plywood as it does 1. I am lucky enough to get dads left over s
craps and some big pieces of ply and spruce to use on my Jungster.
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| Subject: | Big-engined Piet |
Just stumbled across this "Pietenpol" for sale (looks to be mostly GN-1,
with a different tail and some extra A-frame struts up front). It is
apparently powered by an O-300 engine (150 HP?). It is listed for sale
by a US firm, but has a Canadian registration letters in the photos.
http://www.bowaviation.com/viewaircraft.asp?aircraftID=177
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: buying second hand plans.. |
I have never heard of "Legal transfer aproval"- The only legality I know
of is copy rights and illegal reproduction of plans for resale.- I am not
sure that there is or is not a legal isue there.- Personaly, I would not
worry about it.
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Thanks Shad!
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bikemike your message didn't come through--no text
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The other thing to consider is that buying the plans supports the efforts of
the Pietenpol family in continuing to make these plans available to the
community at large. For $180 you can get the complete package of plans (Air
Camper plans, Supplemental drawings, 3-piece wing). I don't know what the
plans you are being offered would cost, but spending a little more to get
them from the Pietenpol family may be something to consider. Besides, you
will have plenty of opportunities to save money as you build your Piet.
Have a good night,
Ryan
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 3:51 PM, <RAMPEYBOY@aol.com> wrote:
> OK, with my Mustang II plans, came a sign off sheet for legal
> transfer of building rights for my plan set. Does the same exist for
> Pietenpol plans? I have someone nearby who has a set for sale. The little
> bit of cost savings isn't enough to be worth legal problems down the
> road....
> Boyce
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| Subject: | Re: Big-engined Piet |
That's George Noble's plane here on the coast;
http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/activepages/ccarcs/aspscripts/en/current.asp
Check out the max wt!!
Clif
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From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 2:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big-engined Piet
Just stumbled across this "Pietenpol" for sale (looks to be mostly
GN-1, with a different tail and some extra A-frame struts up front). It
is apparently powered by an O-300 engine (150 HP?). It is listed for
sale by a US firm, but has a Canadian registration letters in the
photos.
http://www.bowaviation.com/viewaircraft.asp?aircraftID=177
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: buying second hand plans.. |
The plan set you buy entitles you to build ONE airplane.
If no airplane has been built from this set then you are
morally OK to use them. Otherwise buy a new set. You
wouldn't want to piss off your personal Karma God
would you? :-)
Clif
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The other thing to consider is that buying the plans supports the
efforts of the Pietenpol family in continuing to make these plans
available to the community at large. Have a good night,
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: buying second hand plans.. |
The set in question is "new" complete with 3 pc wing, and corvair
supplements for $75. It's on Barnstormers at the moment...Thanks for the feedback!
Boyce
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| Subject: | Re: Narco ELT-10 battery corrosion |
Oscar, I would get rid of the ELT. You will have to clean up the corrossion
issue anyway and remount the new frequency model in the place of the old
one. I recently became a member on this group (matronics) and I am going to
build another Piet but this time Model A powered. I still have N2431and did
a overhaul on the Franklin. I am now in the unemployed group (i.e. retired)
and need to have something to keep me busy.
Ernie Moreno
Independence, Or.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Narco ELT-10 battery corrosion
>
>
> Question for you electronics geeks. I have an older Narco ELT (yes, it's
> the honkin' big orange thing that only xmits on 121.5). When my Piet went
> over on its nose a few years ago, the ELT didn't go off but the incident
> was sufficient to make me replace the battery since I'm an FAR-abiding
> pilot and aircraft owner and that's what the FARs call for.
>
> I replaced the battery with a brand new Airtex replacement from Chief
> Aircraft and reinstalled the ELT in a better location (behind the pilot's
> seat), secured it on the ground plane (a large flat piece of aluminum
> behind the pilot's seat), and we're good to go again. Now the problem.
> About two years later, there is a white powdery corrosion showing up under
> the ELT, mostly under the battery where it sits on the aluminum ground
> plane. Mind you, I painted the aluminum with an epoxy paint before the
> installation and the battery housing is thick orange plastic, so there
> really isn't anything electrical touching anything metallic. So what am I
> doing wrong? Should I replace the battery and reinstall the unit with a
> rubber cushion between it and the ground plane that it's installed on
> (along with the ELT antenna)?
>
> I guess it really doesn't matter since nobody will hear the tree fall in
> the forest after next February anyway, as long as I stay on 121.5 Mhz ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
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